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Re: How The Bible Shoots Down Jehovah Witnesses False Doctrine by livingchrist: 5:58am On Dec 30, 2020 |
Janosky:abeg show me when Jesus mention Jehovah name for the new testament. The name revealed in the new testament is Jesus, the name Jehovah was for the Israelities in the old testament. |
Re: How The Bible Shoots Down Jehovah Witnesses False Doctrine by MaxInDHouse(m): 6:53am On Dec 30, 2020 |
Hmmmmmmmmmm. Well let me explain perhaps one or two things could be learnt! JEHOVAH is most high God so his PURPOSE is always for the benefit of his earthly children {Isaiah 48:17-18} if what he set up is just to form another sacred service that's of no practical benefits to his children how is he going to prove that he is the one and only true God? So God's purpose for setting up Christianity isn't just to establish another religion because there are thousands of religions already before Jesus came to the earth. In Judea alone there were about five different rival sects contradicting teachings and conflicting doctrines was the order of the day all in the name of JEHOVAH the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. Please such doesn't bring glory and honor to the true God but reproach on his holy name! Matthew 6:9 The purpose of Christianity! The worshipers must recognize God as the single heavenly Father of all races nepotism or racism shouldn't be mentioned amongst them! They must believe in his form of rulership so it's what he laid down as standards that will be their laws and each one must be ready to reproof one another when any goes contrary to laid down rules! They mustn't be selfish or greedy thinking of how to accumulate material possessions when they don't know if they will live to see tomorrow! They must be ready to forgive and forget the wrongdoings of their fellow believer if they want to enter God's Kingdom because it's forgiveness that's to be applied on all Adam's descendants otherwise we are all sinners and death is what we deserve! They must recognize one single enemy (Satan) so whenever anyone offends them they should be ready to PRAY for the one who hurt them because Satan is the one behind all evil thought not our fellowman! Matthew 6:9-15 That's the purpose of Christianity, to unite people of all nations under one umbrella {Isaiah 2:1-4} this can't be possible when there is diversity in line of thought {John 17:20-23} Satan doesn't want it to work that's why he's ever busy establishing more sects all in the name of Jesus and the veil he's using to blur their senses is called "DENOMINATIONS". There is nothing as such in Christianity! Jesus knew this from the onset but allowed Satan so that during the end time individuals with pure hearts will be gathered into one fold against Satan's mob! Matthew 13:24-30 May you have PEACE! Tcwork: |
Re: How The Bible Shoots Down Jehovah Witnesses False Doctrine by Preciousgirl(f): 7:10am On Dec 30, 2020 |
Janosky: Gooooood So in what Name was baptism done? Waiting earnestly for the answer |
Re: How The Bible Shoots Down Jehovah Witnesses False Doctrine by MaxInDHouse(m): 7:14am On Dec 30, 2020 |
freshboi88: According to Jesus we are all God's children that's why he said in the model prayer "Our FATHER who is in heaven" Matthew 6:9 It was in the midst of God's earthly children (those who wants to obey God's word) that Jesus took the form of a servant {Matthew 13:5} so Paul was referring to the position Jesus took amongst God's earthly children to teach his Philippian brothers in the faith that they must also do the same if they want God to elevate them! Luke 22:25-26 When you read God's word please think of the practical application because God's word was written down for our benefits not just to memorize it for nothing {Romans 15:4 compared to James 2:18-26} if each member of the Christian faith is ready to serve his fellow worshiper there won't be any need to multiply places of worship with contradicting teachings under the disguise of denominations! For your information my friend churches are springing up here and there with different ideas and opinions not because the founders (GOs) have anything new/better to offer rather none of them want to serve anywhere each of them wants to be served! That's the practical application of what Paul was telling the Christians in philippi! May you have PEACE! |
Re: How The Bible Shoots Down Jehovah Witnesses False Doctrine by MaxInDHouse(m): 7:24am On Dec 30, 2020 |
Jesus quoted Deuteronomy 6:4 for his audience, the name Jesus mentioned was JEHOVAH as written in the Old Testament! But translators of the version you're using are Trinitarians so they can't understand why Jesus should mention that name that's why they decided to replace the divine name with the title "LORD" in all the places it appears. So anywhere you notice the KJV use of the title "LORD" in capital letters know that the name JEHOVAH is what supposed to be there. Psalms 110:1 You can confirm this by first reading the preface of any version you find out there. After all JWs never took over the printed materials and typed the preface in their Bibles for them! livingchrist: |
Re: How The Bible Shoots Down Jehovah Witnesses False Doctrine by Preciousgirl(f): 7:43am On Dec 30, 2020 |
Re: How The Bible Shoots Down Jehovah Witnesses False Doctrine by Preciousgirl(f): 7:46am On Dec 30, 2020 |
Jehovah witnesses, in what Name do you baptise your 'converts'? I am waiting |
Re: How The Bible Shoots Down Jehovah Witnesses False Doctrine by MaxInDHouse(m): 8:14am On Dec 30, 2020 |
When we come to your homes to present to you how we practice Christianity you won't welcome us but when we disagree with your teachings you want to call everyone against us. Well we'll teach you what using someone's name to baptise a convert means. Jesus told his followers to baptise new converts in the name of the father and of the son and of the holy spirit {Matthew 28:19} this is necessary because there are places they will go to where the inhabitants may not know anything about the God of Israel nor his son or heard anything about how God's spirit works. So Jesus' disciples need to explain/teach them all these before getting them baptized as worshipers of the true God. But if you notice what happened in the Bible book of Act 2:38-39 Apostle Peter told the Jews that they need to be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of their sins in order to receive the gift of God's holy spirit! WHY? Peter explained "this promise belongs to the Israelites" but this people only had the knowledge about their God and what the spirit of God has been doing in their midst for centuries, what they lack now is the knowledge about Christ Jesus (God's only begotten SON). So in places where nobody knew about all these the disciples must start from the scratch to teach them all what they need to know about the FATHER (JEHOVAH) the SON (JESUS) and the Holy Spirit (God's active force) Matthew 28:19 So JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES always baptise new converts today in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the holy Spirit, as we go around the world! Preciousgirl: |
Re: How The Bible Shoots Down Jehovah Witnesses False Doctrine by freshboi88: 8:29am On Dec 30, 2020 |
MaxInDHouse:. Are u a servant to your earthly father?....u go write epistle If you are not been cunny answer my question 1 Like |
Re: How The Bible Shoots Down Jehovah Witnesses False Doctrine by achorladey: 9:21am On Dec 30, 2020 |
MaxInDHouse: Satan doesn't want it to work that's why he's ever busy establishing more sects all in the name of Jesus and the veil he's using to blur their senses is called "DENOMINATIONS". There is [b]nothing as such in Christianity! Jesus knew this from the onset but allowed Satan so that during the end time individuals with pure hearts will be gathered into one fold against Satan's mob! Matthew 13:24-30 You will think the point has been made na the usual MERRY GO ROUND. Are JWs Christians? A. Yes b. No if you like call others LIE LIE CHRISTIAN (pidgin ) or false Christian (English ) Are JWs a denomination under the Christian religion? A. Yes B. No. If you like say NO. We know you always write or tick Christians Is it proper to be identified as a Christian? Considering the fact you said the name " Christian " is a BASTARDIZED and CURSED by Jehovah the reason Jehovah witnesses is given to you by Jehovah himself through RUTHERFORD in 1931 as the new name to bear Since there is nothing as DENOMINATIONS in Christianity, why are you against NON DENOMINATIONAL CHRISTIANS? Since there is nothing like non denominational christians how come RUSSELL decided that they don't want to create [b]walls by adopting names but simply wants to be known as Christians[/b] but over a decade later RUTHERFORD decided to erect the walls to make you people separate by adopting the name JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES in order to separate first from the numerous groups that the BIBLE STUDENTS splits into after the death of Russell and in essence denominating you as well? So much for the people having one line of thought even the first two recognized president of the WTBTS don't have one line of thought. Down till this day. You only need to check what they did, teach and preach during their days to know The summary of the matter is as long as the organization you belong calls you Christian congregation you are part of the numerous denominations scattered all over the world under the umbrella CHRISTIAN. In fact the ORGANIZATION you belong agitate for freedom to practice your religion in all the lands presently based and banking on the same and equal RIGHTS all other Christian denominations in those lands enjoy. Finally what is this ONE FOLD in your concluding sentence? Are they A. Christians B. Jehovah's witnesses C. Christian( aka bastardized.... {MaxInDHouse, 2020}) Congregation of Jehovah's witnesses D. I decide to look elsewhere |
Re: How The Bible Shoots Down Jehovah Witnesses False Doctrine by Preciousgirl(f): 9:36am On Dec 30, 2020 |
MaxInDHouse: The people in Act 2:38 were not all foreigners yet Peter baptised all who believed in the name of Jesus. In Acts chapter 10, the family of Cornelius were baptised in the name of Jesus In Acts chapter 19 Paul baptised in the name of Jesus In Colossians 3:17 Paul admonished the church to do all things in Jesus name. Show me where people were baptised in Jehovah Jesus Christ is God Almighty |
Re: How The Bible Shoots Down Jehovah Witnesses False Doctrine by MaxInDHouse(m): 9:39am On Dec 30, 2020 |
Just add the word "PLEASE" anytime you want answers from me. Your profile name says "freshboy" and not "rudeboy" so try to be polite and respectful when asking questions from someone about the relationship such a person has with his own FATHER after all it's just between me and my father. So you need to ask with mild temper and deep respect remember i'm not here to impress anyone! freshboi88: |
Re: How The Bible Shoots Down Jehovah Witnesses False Doctrine by MaxInDHouse(m): 10:05am On Dec 30, 2020 |
achorladey:YES! The one and only group belonging to Christ but that's the name the world gave us {Act 11:26}not what JEHOVAH our God call us! Isaiah 65:15 Are JWs a denomination under the Christian religion?NO! The deceptive world empire of false religions wants to bear the GROUP name to deceive innocent people {2Corinthians 11:12} but we are no part of them! John 17:14-16 Is it proper to be identified as a Christian?The world empire of false religion have tainted that name that's why JEHOVAH our God call us by another name "JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES" Isaiah 65:15 Why are you against NON DENOMINATIONAL CHRISTIANS?True Christians must be known everywhere the are as members belonging to the same global family, so there's no sitting on the fence it's either you're in or you're out! John 17:20-23 Is JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES and in essence denominating you as well?NO! John 15:19 Finally what is this ONE FOLD in your concluding sentence?The one fold is the one big and happy global family of peace loving worshipers under the same umbrella "Watchtower Organization!" Micah 4:1-3 I just presented what a little number of about 8,700,000 people around the world believe. So you're free to present your own! |
Re: How The Bible Shoots Down Jehovah Witnesses False Doctrine by freshboi88: 10:22am On Dec 30, 2020 |
Janosky: I shake my head in pity when I read your comment. If you read your Bible well u will know that Jesus is Son of God (God) and Servant of God at the same time. Isn't God just awesome. Jesus is called the Son of God in many places in the New Testament (Matthew 27:54; Mark 1:1; John 1:49; 3:18; 2 Corinthians 1:19, etc.). But Jesus is also called the servant of God in Acts 3:26, “For you first, God raised up His Servant, and sent Him to bless you by turning every one of you from your wicked ways.” So how can Jesus be both the Son of God and the servant of God? First understand that scripturally the term Son of God when used in the scripture in reference to Jesus is a claim to equality with Jehovah. Proof John 5:18 18So the Jewish leaders tried all the harder to find a way to kill him. For he not only broke the Sabbath, he called God his Father, thereby making himself equal with God. @bolded says John says Jesus calling Jehovah his own Father is making himself equal with God. So whether you agree or not that is with u to battle it with scripture. My reference is the Bible. Being a servant and being the “Son of God” are different categories and are not mutually exclusive. Jesus has two natures, both divine and human (Col. 2:9) For in Him all the fullness of Deity dwells in bodily form, was made under The Law (Gal. 4:4), and for a while was lower than the angels (Heb. 2:9). As such, under The Law, he came to serve those who are lost by being an example to them and dying for them. Take out from all this: Jesus has two nature's. One as the Son of God, another as Son of Man. As Son of God he is equal with God. As Son of Man he is a servant not Just to God but to man as well No wonder Philippians 2:7 says he took up a servant nature. If he was a servant before his incarnation, y did he take up servant form. U cannot take up a form u r already in. Can u explain this? |
Re: How The Bible Shoots Down Jehovah Witnesses False Doctrine by MaxInDHouse(m): 10:22am On Dec 30, 2020 |
I have told you from the onset why the early Christians did so but perhaps you don't grasp it let me simplify it this time. All those coming to Jerusalem for the Jewish festivals were former proselytes who already have formal knowledge of JEHOVAH and how God's holy spirit works. Note that the Ethiopian Eunuch was reading aloud what the scriptures say about the Messiah! but Did he knew that the Messiah has come and gone? NO! Did he knew anything about what the Messiah taught his disciples? NO! So Philip need to convince this faithful Ethiopian that all what the prophets penned down about the coming Messiah has been happening in the life and ministry of a young man from Nazareth (Jesus) it was because this Ethiopian Eunuch believe what Philip told him about Jesus that made him ask "what prevent me from getting baptized?" Act 8:26-40 So they knew about JEHOVAH and the works of God's holy spirit but today most people knew little or nothing about the God of Israel and none knows anything about God's holy spirit. That's why we must go back to Jesus' order Baptise them in the name of the FATHER and of the SON and of the HOLY SPIRIT! Matthew 28:19 May you have PEACE! Preciousgirl: |
Re: How The Bible Shoots Down Jehovah Witnesses False Doctrine by DappaD: 10:43am On Dec 30, 2020 |
Preciousgirl: 1. Those who got baptized on the day of Pentecost were all Jews and Jewish proselytes so they were conversant with Jehovah God in connection with how his holy spirit helped his people in the past as stated in the Law and the Prophets. Acts 2:22-41 2. The case involving Cornelius is extraordinary. First, he was neither a Jew nor a Jewish convert yet he was God-fearing and was making supplications to the true God(not Jesus) and was favourably heard by God. Acts 10:1-4,31 Then as Peter was briefly speaking to them about God(Acts 10:34-43), Cornelius' family all received holy spirit(this has never happened before baptism) [Acts 10:44]so what's left is for they to get baptised in the name of Jesus since Jehovah had already acknowledged Cornelius and his holy spirit had began working with them prior to the baptism. Acts 10:45-48 3. Paul admonished John's disciples to get baptized in the name of Jesus since John(their former teacher) had already instructed them about Jehovah and the coming Messiah. Malachi 4:4-6, Luke 1:17, John 1:29-37 This was done in order for them to receive holy spirit. Acts 19:1-6 4. Colossians 3:17 KJV “And whatsoever ye do in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God and the Father by[through] him[Jesus].” Of course what Paul is telling the Colossians is correct and in line with John 15:16 but whom are they to give thanks to in their prayers? God or Jesus? 1 Like |
Re: How The Bible Shoots Down Jehovah Witnesses False Doctrine by MaxInDHouse(m): 10:55am On Dec 30, 2020 |
The young woman thought it's like what they've been infusing in her brains in the past. God na helele God na waya o nobody be like am nobody dey like am ewo wan nnem God na helele! DappaD: |
Re: How The Bible Shoots Down Jehovah Witnesses False Doctrine by DappaD: 11:03am On Dec 30, 2020 |
MaxInDHouse: I've noticed that she and her kind normally go into hiding when JWs are around. 1 Like |
Re: How The Bible Shoots Down Jehovah Witnesses False Doctrine by achorladey: 11:10am On Dec 30, 2020 |
MaxInDHouse: Are JWs Christians? Max answers: YES Are JWs under the Christian religion? Max answers: No Why do max tick or fill Christians as his group name in forms and files? Why do JWs call themselves Christian congregation of Jehovah's witnesses if you are not a Christian denomination? What does the article of association establishing the organization identifies you as? Is it proper to bear the name CHRISTIAN? Max answers: No. Why? It is tainted by by FALSE RELIGION Abeg make you look your answer to question number 1 again. After, Max tell us what 1 Peter 4:14 and 16 states. What are we to do even when the name CHRISTIAN is tainted, reproached and we suffer because if it? Peter must be high in ogogoro when writing those accounts above Max answers: Run away from the name CHRISTIAN given by WORLDLY people and bear another name given by Jehovah in 1931 through Rutherford Is Jehovah's witnesses in essence a Christian denomination? Max answers: No verify with answer 1. What is the one FOLD? Max answers: Micah 4:1-3 calling the ONE FOLD .......Watchtower organization. We know Watchtower is not in Micah 4:1-3. Oga Max is watchtower a Christian organization? Finally accordingl to the image below the one carrying the scripture 1 Peter 4: 14, in what name are you to be reproached to be seen as GENUINE DISCIPLES of JESUS not of Jehovah as the material puts it? 1 Like
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Re: How The Bible Shoots Down Jehovah Witnesses False Doctrine by Preciousgirl(f): 11:15am On Dec 30, 2020 |
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Re: How The Bible Shoots Down Jehovah Witnesses False Doctrine by MaxInDHouse(m): 11:46am On Dec 30, 2020 |
That's her style! She surely hate the truth and she wants to persecute true Christians it's just pathetic that she's helpless otherwise if she is in any position to unleash terror on true Christians she will do with all fury. That's why she's looking for supporters to come and argue against JWs, since she's empty and has nothing to say against the truth. Note her only objection "Jesus is Almighty God" many commentators (none JWs) have disputed this it doesn't matter to her. Her major enemies are JWs! DappaD: 1 Like |
Re: How The Bible Shoots Down Jehovah Witnesses False Doctrine by MaxInDHouse(m): 12:10pm On Dec 30, 2020 |
achorladey: Because people need to know where we are coming from! Note that Jesus is a Jews by birth and everyone knew Jews with their egoistic self appraisal as God's people {John 4:20} but Jesus was highly disappointed with the response he's getting from the Jews, so he prefer not to associate himself with that faithless nation that's why he went into the Samaritan villages that he formerly ordered his disciples not to go! Matthew 10:5 So Jesus came from the Jewish race and religious background but he denounced Judaism which everyone back then thought is the faith of all Jews. That's why all Jewish religionists hated him and his group with passion! What are we to do when vilified for our faith?We must rejoice like the first century Governing Body then {Act 5:41} today the so called group name "Christians" has become the household name people even makes celebrities out of them, so we know that such doesn't belong to the real Jesus from Nazareth! John 15:19 Please let your questions stand out. Thanks! |
Re: How The Bible Shoots Down Jehovah Witnesses False Doctrine by achorladey: 12:48pm On Dec 30, 2020 |
MaxInDHouse: Spare me the stories of Jesus. Where are you coming from? A. Christian B. Jehovah's witnesses C. Christian congregation of Jehovah's witnesses D. I look elsewhere What are we to do when vilified for our faith? Max answers: We must rejoice like the first century Governing Body then {Act 5:41} In fact one of such "governing body" is deputy Jesus aka Peter he said we should rejoice and suffer in whose name 1 Peter 4: 14 & 16 If you like call it so called name, celebrity name, tainted name and cursed name bastardized name worldly name whatever you like. In what name are you to suffer or reproached to be seen as GENUINE disciples of JESUS not Jehovah according to what the number one member of the "Governing body" during the time of first century JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES (scratch that replace it with CHRISTIANS) states? Oga Max don't colour my questions with that your last line. You partitioned each questions and respond. How come it is no longer standing out after giving multiple choice questions paapaa? |
Re: How The Bible Shoots Down Jehovah Witnesses False Doctrine by Preciousgirl(f): 1:17pm On Dec 30, 2020 |
Jesus Christ is God Almighty 1 Like |
Re: How The Bible Shoots Down Jehovah Witnesses False Doctrine by Preciousgirl(f): 1:18pm On Dec 30, 2020 |
MaxInDHouse: Jesus Christ is God Almighty 1 Like |
Re: How The Bible Shoots Down Jehovah Witnesses False Doctrine by freshboi88: 1:45pm On Dec 30, 2020 |
MaxInDHouse: Jesus is Almighty God. 17But Jesus replied, “My Father is always working, and so am I.” 18So the Jewish leaders tried all the harder to find a way to kill him. For he not only broke the Sabbath, he called God his Father, thereby making himself equal with God. The Bible says that Jesus calling God is own Father means he is making himself equal to God. Shame on u for your lies |
Re: How The Bible Shoots Down Jehovah Witnesses False Doctrine by Myer(m): 2:01pm On Dec 30, 2020 |
livingchrist: Are you saying the name Jesus negates Yahweh? |
Re: How The Bible Shoots Down Jehovah Witnesses False Doctrine by Myer(m): 2:04pm On Dec 30, 2020 |
MaxInDHouse: You do understand that what you have said is the purpose of Christianity is almost exactly what other religions claim is their purpose except for the bane of their God. That said, if truly Christinany is different from other religions, it should have a distinctive factor which separates it from others like a true son's genes separates him from bastards. If you may enlighten is what are those distinctive traits that other religions don't have except yours. |
Re: How The Bible Shoots Down Jehovah Witnesses False Doctrine by MaxInDHouse(m): 2:09pm On Dec 30, 2020 |
No new questions shey? It's OK Sir! achorladey: |
Re: How The Bible Shoots Down Jehovah Witnesses False Doctrine by MaxInDHouse(m): 2:10pm On Dec 30, 2020 |
Re: How The Bible Shoots Down Jehovah Witnesses False Doctrine by MaxInDHouse(m): 2:19pm On Dec 30, 2020 |
I thought the highlighted is what those people Jesus called the sons of Satan (LIAR) said nah? John 8:44 Well if that's your evidence it's OK shame on me then! freshboi88: |
Re: How The Bible Shoots Down Jehovah Witnesses False Doctrine by MaxInDHouse(m): 3:16pm On Dec 30, 2020 |
Oh Myer i know persons like you can't let go of such a striking post, may God bless you! Throughout the world every religion always talk about doing good to one's neighbour but when it comes to reality it's the other way round. That's the reason why Christianity was established to silence all other gods with their worthless religions. God is the heavenly Father of all flesh according to Jesus, meaning we should start seeing people of all races as prospective citizens of the kingdom of our God and father, so which religion is able to remove weapons from the hands of all their adherents? Matthew 6:9 compared to 26:52 Which religion upholds the form of rulership that's binding on all members globally even ready to punish defaulters and people from all races humbly subjected themselves under the same rule as one global family? Matthew 6:10 compared to Matthew 7:24-27 Which religion discourages their members from the pursuit of worldly riches by never publicizing their material possessions as blessings from God but always publicizing how much they're able to do in the work of the Lord? Matthew 6:11, 25-34 Which religion has successfully bridged the gap of tribal differences and racial disputes so that their members are globally known and spoke of like "they love their members no matter where such person comes from" Matthew 6:12 compared to Matthew 12:46-49 Which religion teaches members to leave all judgment in the hands of God so that we're not tempted to take vengeance just as Satan would have wanted us to do? Matthew 6:13; 5:43-48 You only need to present another religion that's up to the task that's all. May you have PEACE! Myer: |
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