freshboi88:


That's not what my Bible says.

Dual nature of Christ.

Son of God and Son of Man at the same time.
U accept one and discard the other making u a terrible liar and heretic.
John 5:18, NIV: "For this reason they tried all the more to kill him; not only was he breaking the Sabbath, but he was even calling God his own Father, making himself equal with God." ... For he not only broke the Sabbath, he called God his Father, thereby making himself equal with God."
Liar Janosky says no man is equal with God. But Jesus claimed equality in John 5:18 @ bolded.
Who would u rather believe Lying JW or the Bible
No be me talk am o, nah I'm dey for bible

Oh, so na duality and dual nature now? No more trinity? What happened to the Holy Ghost biko?

freshboi88:


MATTHEW 28:18-20 (KJV and NRSV) And Jesus came and said to them, "All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20and teaching them to obey everything that I have commanded you.


Notice how scripture doesn't say in the names of The Father, Son and Holy Spirit. Instead it uses singular (name of).


That right here is the scriptural reference to the doctrine of the trinity.
No be me write am o nah so I'm dey for bible

Firstly, I thought by now we've established that the REAL “holy spirit” which the Bible talks about is not a person but rather the energizing force which God uses in accomplishing his will. Luke 11:20; Matthew 12:28; Exodus 8:19

Secondly, the expression: “Jehovah the God of Abraham, God of Isaac and God of Jacob” occurs in both the OT and the NT(Exodus 4:5, Luke 20:37)
Does this mean that Abraham, Isaac and Jacob are all the same person? Because this would totally negate that logic you tried to pull up regarding Matthew 28:19.

DappaD:


Oh, so na duality and dual nature now? No more trinity? What happened to the Holy Ghost biko?

You've not heard of Binity or Twonity ni ??

DappaD:


Firstly, I thought by now we've established that the REAL “holy spirit” which the Bible talks about is not a person but rather the energizing force which God uses in accomplishing his will. Luke 11:20; Matthew 12:28; Exodus 8:19

Secondly, the expression: “Jehovah the God of Abraham, God of Isaac and God of Jacob” occurs in both the OT and the NT(Exodus 4:5, Luke 20:37)
Does this mean that Abraham, Isaac and Jacob are all the same person? Because this would totally negate that logic you tried to pull up regarding Matthew 28:19.

Firstly, different people can have one God. So I don't know how that relates Matt 28:19. But diff pple cannot have one name like we see in Matt 28:19. Using the case of God of Abram, Isaac and Jacob as ur back up is plain dumb and stupid. But I am not surprised you reason like that. Jw have filled your brain with shit.

Holy Spirit cannot be a force and yet have a name

A violent windstorm characterised by a mobile, twisting, funnel shaped cloud is just a force, yet it has a specific name "TORNADO"

freshboi88:


Firstly, different people can have one God. So I don't know how that relates Matt 28:19. But diff pple cannot have one name like we see in Matt 28:19. Using the case of God of Abram, Isaac and Jacob as ur back up is plain dumb and stupid. But I am not surprised you reason like that. Jw have filled your brain with shit.

Holy Spirit cannot be a force and yet have a name

freshboi88:


Firstly, different people can have one God. So I don't know how that relates Matt 28:19. But diff pple cannot have one name like we see in Matt 28:19. Using the case of God of Abram, Isaac and Jacob as ur back up is plain dumb and stupid. But I am not surprised you reason like that. Jw have filled your brain with shit.
Holy Spirit cannot be a force and yet have a name

The analogy I used exposed your fraud already.
I'm even surprised you didn't quote 1John 5:7 from your KJV because why else would you bring up Matthew 28:19 if the spurious additions made to 1John 5:7 isn't deceiving you?
The Father's name is Jehovah. Isaiah 64:8, Matthew 6:9
The Son's name is Jesus(Michael). John 20:31
Yet you're deceiving yourself into thinking that both the Father and Son share the same name.
So what's the name of the holy spirit then? I need a straight and direct answer from the Scriptures.

livingchrist:
no, infact Jesus is Jehovah God. The bible revealed that Jehovah God is Trinity Gen 1vv26, but Jehovah as a name was a revelation of God to the Jews but Jesus is the revelation of God to all mankind

Jesus and Jehovah are not the same.
Jehovah according to the bible is the Father, God Head who Jesus prayed to.

DappaD:


The analogy I used exposed your fraud already.
I'm even surprised you didn't quote 1John 5:7 from your KJV because why else would you bring up Matthew 28:19 if the spurious additions made to 1John 5:7 isn't deceiving you?
The Father's name is Jehovah. Isaiah 64:8, Matthew 6:9
The Son's name is Jesus(Michael). John 20:31
Yet you're deceiving yourself into thinking that both the Father and Son share the same name.
So what's the name of the holy spirit then? I need a straight and direct answer from the Scriptures.

Is that what u want to tell yourself.

Your analogy didn't correspond to Matt 28:19.

How does

In the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit

Correspond To

God of Abram, Isaac and Jacob

Is God the name of Abram, Isaac and Jacob. ?

Do u just like to mumble up nonsense from your head.

Being baptized in the "name" of God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit is a way of affirming the oneness that was in Peter's mind as he spoke of Jesus in Acts 4:12 and said: "There is no other name" by which we "must be saved."


Does it seem rational to say that Yahweh expresses Himself in three separate persons, yet exists as one single entity? No, it doesn't seem rational to us human beings . . . but then the creation of an entire universe from nothing doesn't seem rational to human beings either.

So u better believe it because the scripture speaks about it.

For the records the Holy Spirit is a being and not a force

freshboi88:


Is that what u want to tell yourself.
Your analogy didn't correspond to Matt 28:19.
How does
In the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit
Correspond To
God of Abram, Isaac and Jacob
Is God the name of Abram, Isaac and Jacob. ?
Do u just like to mumble up nonsense from your head.
Being baptized in the "name" of God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit is a way of affirming the oneness that was in Peter's mind as he spoke of Jesus in Acts 4:12 and said: "There is no other name" by which we "must be saved."
Does it seem rational to say that Yahweh expresses Himself in three separate persons, yet exists as one single entity? No, it doesn't seem rational to us human beings . . . but then the creation of an entire universe from nothing doesn't seem rational to human beings either.
So u better believe it because the scripture speaks about it.

For the records the Holy Spirit is a being and not a force

When Matthew 28:19 said “in the name of the Father, of the Son and of the holy spirit”, your problem arises when you assume they're all the same person because they're used in one sentence. Hence, the analogy I used.

Okay since it is a being, please what is his/her name?

The Turth is that God lets the devil do what he does. Of course, He could stop him immediately. But the devil is trying to prove God that his human children are not worth it. That they are evil and love to sin. But God has hope in his Children that they may prove worthy. We have free will so that we can choose to either do good or evil. Whoever loves God and justice, will hate sin and turn away from it. Without the devil, we would not have an opportunity to prove ourselves. So in other words, God lets the devil "reign" over this world for a given time. Until the last day when He will judge every single one of us according to our works.

DappaD:


When Matthew 28:19 said “in the name of the Father, of the Son and of the holy spirit”, your problem arises when you assume they're all the same person because they're used in one sentence. Hence, the analogy I used.

Okay since it is a being, please what is his/her name?

Your analogy is silly and doesn't fit the context of Matt 28:19.

Except you are saying

In the name of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.

So it's dead on arrival

On the context of the Holy Spirit.

Now can a force have love( Express Emotions)
Now I beg you, brethren, through the Lord Jesus Christ, and through the love of the Spirit, that you strive together with me in your prayers to God for me (Romans 15:30).

@bolded does your tornado have love?

He can be grieved: Your tornado dey express anger...Don't be silly man!

And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, by whom you were sealed for the day of redemption (Ephesians 4:30).

The Holy Spirit can be insulted:

Of how much worse punishment, do you suppose, will he be thought worthy who has trampled the Son of God underfoot, counted the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified a common thing, and insult the Spirit of grace? (Hebrews 10:29).

He is a choosing Being

The Holy Spirit also has a will to choose:

But one and the same Spirit works all these things, distributing to each one individually as He wills (1 Corinthians 12:11).

Did u see the Bible refer to him as He there. Jw has deceived you man

Does tornado express emotions, love, grieve. Does tornado or wind or force have the will to choose?

When u answer these questions honestly only den will the scales in your eyes fall

I love this!
So your holy ghost is as worthless and the tornado if you can't point to any positive effect of such a useless ghost apart from causing confusion, division, contradictions and dispute so that there is no unity amongst all those using it!
It supposed to make you have LOVE for all your fellow believers no matter where they may come from but ironically this is only happening amongst JWs!
It supposed to express emotions for your fellow believers instead it's only happening amongst JWs!
It supposed to make you grieve when you see people carrying destructive devices about but only JWs grieve because they don't think it's normal taking up weapons to settle differences.

So tell me do you truthfully grasp what you're saying about the spirit when such doesn't manifest in your gathering?

freshboi88:

Your analogy is silly and doesn't fit the context of Matt 28:19.
Except you are saying in the name of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.
So it's dead on arrival
On the context of the Holy Spirit.
Now can a force have love( Express Emotions)
Now I beg you, brethren, through the Lord Jesus Christ, and through the love of the Spirit, that you strive together with me in your prayers to God for me (Romans 15:30).
@bolded does your tornado have love?
He can be grieved: Your tornado dey express anger...Don't be silly man!
And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, by whom you were sealed for the day of redemption (Ephesians 4:30).
The Holy Spirit can be insulted:
Of how much worse punishment, do you suppose, will he be thought worthy who has trampled the Son of God underfoot, counted the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified a common thing, and insult the Spirit of grace? (Hebrews 10:29).
He is a choosing Being
The Holy Spirit also has a will to choose:
But one and the same Spirit works all these things, distributing to each one individually as He wills (1 Corinthians 12:11).
Did u see the Bible refer to him as He there. Jw has deceived you man
Does tornado express emotions, love, grieve. Does tornado or wind or force have the will to choose?
When u answer these questions honestly only den will the scales in your eyes fall

MaxInDHouse:
I love this!
So your holy ghost is as worthless and the tornado if you can't point to any positive effect of such a useless ghost apart from causing confusion, division, contradictions and dispute so that there is no unity amongst all those using it!
It supposed to make you have LOVE for all your fellow believers no matter where they may come from but ironically this is only happening amongst JWs!
It supposed to express emotions for your fellow believers instead it's only happening amongst JWs!
It supposed to make you grieve when you see people carrying destructive devices about but only JWs grieve because they don't think it's normal taking up weapons to settle differences.

So tell me do you truthfully grasp what you're saying about the spirit when such doesn't manifest in your gathering?

I quoted scripture man, it's not my fault scripture mkes u mad.

The only spirit is a teacher, a counsellor.

Can a force teach?

Nah Ur fellow lying JW use tornado dey compare holy spirit.

See confusion!

Well i'm the one who mentioned TORNADO Sir!

The tornado used by JWs taught and counsel them to vow never to carry weapons anymore neither will they learn war anymore {Isaiah 2:2-4} it is not a SPIRIT O, it's just a lifeless TORNADO!

freshboi88:

I quoted scripture man, it's not my fault scripture mkes u mad.
The only spirit is a teacher, a counsellor.
Can a force teach?
Nah Ur fellow lying JW use tornado dey compare holy spirit.

freshboi88:


Your analogy is silly and doesn't fit the context of Matt 28:19.
Except you are saying
In the name of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.
So it's dead on arrival
On the context of the Holy Spirit.
Now can a force have love( Express Emotions)
Now I beg you, brethren, through the Lord Jesus Christ, and through the love of the Spirit, that you strive together with me in your prayers to God for me (Romans 15:30).
@bolded does your tornado have love?
He can be grieved: Your tornado dey express anger...Don't be silly man!
And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, by whom you were sealed for the day of redemption (Ephesians 4:30).
The Holy Spirit can be insulted:
Of how much worse punishment, do you suppose, will he be thought worthy who has trampled the Son of God underfoot, counted the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified a common thing, and insult the Spirit of grace? (Hebrews 10:29).
He is a choosing Being
The Holy Spirit also has a will to choose:
But one and the same Spirit works all these things, distributing to each one individually as He wills (1 Corinthians 12:11).
Did u see the Bible refer to him as He there. Jw has deceived you man
Does tornado express emotions, love, grieve. Does tornado or wind or force have the will to choose?
When u answer these questions honestly only den will the scales in your eyes fall

OK. Please freshboi88, what is the name of the holy spirit? Since it is a person then it should have a name.
Look at this now, does the fact that Romans 5:14 speaks of sin and death ruling as kings, make them real persons?

DappaD:


OK. Please freshboi88, what is the name of the holy spirit? Since it is a person then it should have a name.
Look at this now, does the fact that Romans 5:14 speaks of sin and death ruling as kings, make them real persons?

Names and Title of The Spirit.

Ruach Elohim (Spirit of God), Ruach YHWH (Spirit of Yahweh), and the Ruach Hakodesh (Holy Spirit). In the New Testament it is identified with the Spirit of Christ, the Spirit of Truth, the Paraclete and the Holy Spirit

You are a compound fool

Can sin and death express emotions, can they be lied to (Acts 5:3-4).

Is sin and death called Lord, or can a force be called Lord (Corinthians 4 >>
17 Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom.)

Also
2 Sam 23: 2 "The Spirit of the Lord spoke through me; his word was on my tongue.

The Spirit is referred to as a person and has all the attributes of a person

The spirit can speak, can think, can express emotions. Referred to as a person(2sam 23:2, cor 4:17)

If these clear scriptures are not clear enough then oga u have lost ur soul to the devil. Nah serious deliverance u need. You are in deep darkness!.

DappaD:


Oh, so na duality and dual nature now? No more trinity? What happened to the Holy Ghost biko?

Was it the holy spirit that incarnated....y u no get sense

MaxInDHouse:
See confusion!

Well i'm the one who mentioned TORNADO Sir!

The tornado used by JWs taught and counsel them to vow never to carry weapons anymore neither will they learn war anymore {Isaiah 2:2-4} it is not a SPIRIT O, it's just a lifeless TORNADO!

But how can a force teach u.....hahahaha......c delusion and confusion. This people will not kill me with their lies nitori olorun

freshboi88:


Names and Title of The Spirit.
Ruach Elohim (Spirit of God), Ruach YHWH (Spirit of Yahweh), and the Ruach Hakodesh (Holy Spirit). In the New Testament it is identified with the Spirit of Christ, the Spirit of Truth, the Paraclete and the Holy Spirit
You are a compound fool
Can sin and death express emotions, can they be lied to (Acts 5:3-4).
Is sin and death called Lord, or can a force be called Lord (Corinthians 4 >>
17 Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom.)
Also
2 Sam 23: 2 "The Spirit of the Lord spoke through me; his word was on my tongue.
The Spirit is referred to as a person and has all the attributes of a person
The spirit can speak, can think, can express emotions. Referred to as a person(2sam 23:2, cor 4:17)
If these clear scriptures are not clear enough then oga u have lost ur soul to the devil. Nah serious deliverance u need. You are in deep darkness!.

OK. Psalm 104:4 says the angels are also spirits. So does that makes them equal to the holy spirit as well?
Because that's the path you're towing wrt 2Corinthians 3:17. Or you've refused to understand that the word “spirit”[Hebrew: ruach, Greek: pneuma] mean up to 6 different things in the Bible?
Compare Matthew 12:28 with Luke 11:20 where Jesus likened the “God's holy spirit” to “God's finger” . Is the finger of God also God?
Oboy you need intense Bible study .

DappaD:


OK. Psalm 104:4 says the angels are also spirits. So does that makes them equal to the holy spirit as well?
Because that's the path you're towing wrt 2Corinthians 3:17. Or you've refused to understand that the word “spirit”[Hebrew: ruach] mean up to 6 different things in the Bible?
Compare Matthew 12:28 with Luke 11:20 where Jesus likened the “God's holy spirit” to “God's finger” . Is the finger of God also God?
Oboy you need intense Bible study .

This one doesn't read my post.

The Ruach Elohim (Spirit of God), Ruach YHWH (Spirit of Yahweh), and the Ruach Hakodesh (Holy Spirit). In the New Testament it is identified with the Spirit of Christ, the Spirit of Truth, the Paraclete and the Holy Spirit.
No

So after reading this isn't it foolish to be asking the questions u r asking. Re angels the spirit of God. You are dull

Spirit can mean a million different things in the Bible. But Spirit of God is Spirit of God. Pretty clear.

Thank God u said likened. Which is a form of comparison. The Bible doesn't refer to the finger of God as God. But the spirit of God, it does. I have shown that to you.

I go with what the scriptures say

Lol btw me and u who needs to study the Bible. Be deceiving urself. Im sure right now ur hear is already beating cos u know u have been scammed all your life

Me sef i tire o!
What do you expect me to believe nah when the force is making what seems impossible in all the religions on this planet a reality among JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES o? James 2:18-26
Abeg i go prefer your own jare but first tell me what are the positive results your Mr holy ghost is working out in your gathering or better still mention any other gathering and the achievement of Mr holy ghost there!

freshboi88:

But how can a force teach u.....hahahaha......c delusion and confusion. This people will not kill me with their lies nitori olorun

MaxInDHouse:
Me sef i tire o!
What do you expect me to believe nah when the force is making what seems impossible in all the religions on this planet a reality among JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES o? James 2:18-26
Abeg i go prefer your own jare but first tell me what are the positive results your Mr holy ghost is working out in your gathering or better still mention any other gathering and the achievement of Mr holy ghost there!

Hahahaha.....has it gotten to this.

Force way they teach.....how does the force teach. E get mouth?.....e get ear?

Liars...choking u on your lies

freshboi88:


This one doesn't read my post.
The Ruach Elohim (Spirit of God), Ruach YHWH (Spirit of Yahweh), and the Ruach Hakodesh (Holy Spirit). In the New Testament it is identified with the Spirit of Christ, the Spirit of Truth, the Paraclete and the Holy Spirit.
No
So after reading this isn't it foolish to be asking the questions u r asking. Re angels the spirit of God. You are dull
Spirit can mean a million different things in the Bible. But Spirit of God is Spirit of God. Pretty clear.
Thank God u said likened. Which is a form of comparison. The Bible doesn't refer to the finger of God as God. But the spirit of God, it does. I have shown that to you.
I go with what the scriptures say
Lol btw me and u who needs to study the Bible. Be deceiving urself. Im sure right now ur hear is already beating cos u know u have been scammed all your life

Simple assignment I gave you. Just provide the name of the holy spirit. I don't have time to read all of these jargons.

I know it's all a lie Sir but please let me hear the truth by pointing, presenting, showing, telling me the name of any group where Mr holy ghost is working out positive results. That's all Sir!

Please if you can't do that i think any right thinking person will vouch for what is working instead of your Mr holy ghost that failed woefully to work out what is positive any where!

At least Jesus said "you will know the truth and the truth will set you free" {Luke 8:32} So tell me the truth i want to be free from lies but it must be WORKING O! James 2:18-26

freshboi88:

Hahahaha.....has it gotten to this.
Force way they teach.....how does the force teach. E get mouth?.....e get ear?
Liars...choking u on your lies

MaxInDHouse:
I know it's all a lie Sir but please let me hear the truth by pointing, presenting, showing, telling me the name of any group where Mr holy ghost is working out positive results. That's all Sir!
Please if you can't do that i think any right thinking person will vouch for what is working instead of your Mr holy ghost that failed woefully to work out what is positive any where!
At least Jesus said "you will know the truth and the truth will set you free" {Luke 8:32} So tell me the truth i want to be free from lies but it must be WORKING O! James 2:18-26

Lol let him go to Blab.bermouth's thread first. You'll see the way he'll start cursing and abusing his trinity brethren over the identity of their Holy Ghost.

That's exactly what i'm telling him o!

Mr holy ghost failed woefully o rather it's always things not befitting God's people like arguing profusely with their fellow believers.
Yet the active force of the God of Jehovah's Witnesses is achieving a lot LOVE JOY and PEACE! Galatians 5:22

DappaD:

Lol let him go to Blab.bermouth's thread first. You'll see the way he'll start cursing and abusing his trinity brethren over the identity of their Holy Ghost.

DappaD:


Simple assignment I gave you. Just provide the name of the holy spirit. I don't have time to read all of these jargons.

The Spirit of God is called the Holy Spirit.

YES! The "active force" of a God that's making LOVE, JOY and PEACE reign in the Organization of Jehovah's Witnesses!

freshboi88:


The Spirit of God is called the Holy Spirit.

DappaD:


Lol let him go to Blab.bermouth's thread first. You'll see the way he'll start cursing and abusing his trinity brethren over the identity of their Holy Ghost.

Deceive yourself hahahaha!!!!!!!....

More verses to expose your lies


3. Ephesians 1:13-14 When you heard the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and when you believed in Him, you were also sealed with the promised Holy Spirit. He is the down payment of our inheritance, for the redemption of the possession, to the praise of His glory.

@bolded Ephesians just called the Holy Spirit a person.

Who do u believe lying JW or scripture?

MaxInDHouse:
YES! The "active force" of a God that's making LOVE, JOY and PEACE reign in the Organization of Jehovah's Witnesses!

More verses to shut ur lies up

John 14:15-17 If you love me, keep my commandments. I will ask the Father to give you another Helper, to be with you always. He is the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees him nor recognizes him. But you recognize him, because he lives with you and will be in you.

Scripture calls him a person again at bolded. Jehovah witness says it's a lie.

Who is lying btw both God or JW?

Romans 8:26 In the same way the Spirit also joins to help in our weakness, because we do not know what to pray for as we should, but the Spirit Himself intercedes for us with unspoken groanings.

Force they intercede for people. Notice how Paul uses himself referring to the Holy Spirit as a person. But guess what

Jehovah Witness says Paul inspired by God a liar

freshboi88:


The Spirit of God is called the Holy Spirit.

The figurative “finger” of God is the holy spirit. Luke 11:20, Exodus 8:19
This proves holy spirit isn't a person.