OLAADEGBU:

Space, Matter and Time

babs787:

@Olaadegbu
Does your trinity has any biblical backing?
Was it preached by any of the OT prophets?
Did Jesus preach Trinity?

Sun God:

kai the delirum in Nairaland is really getting out of hand sha!

18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.

19 For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent.

20 Where is the wise? where is the scribe? where is the disputer of this world? hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world?

21 For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.

22 For the Jews require a sign, and the Greeks seek after wisdom:

23 But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness;

24 But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God.

25 Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men; and the weakness of God is stronger than men.

26 For ye see your calling, brethren, how that not many wise men after the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called:

27 But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty;

28 And base things of the world, and things which are despised, hath God chosen, yea, and things which are not, to bring to nought things that are:

29 That no flesh should glory in his presence

   

18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;

19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.

20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.

22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,

23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.

24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:

JayFK:

OLAADEGBU your delusional. Your beliefs are so warped, I just have to comment on them.
"Paul's letters" have all of a sudden become the "word of God" more like the "word of Paul". And please your embarrassing yourself attempting to use sub atomic particles to prove "the nature of god", these have been proven to exist unlike your god whose existence or rather proof of his his existence continues to elude us.

9 But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.

10 But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.

11 For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.

12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.

13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.

14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

15 But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.

16 For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? but we have the mind of Christ.

OLAADEGBU:

@JayFK, you can now see why the Word of God is fresher than tomorrow's newspaper. It has accurately described your line of thoughts in the quotations below, and this shows that Paul's epistle is inspired by the Holy Spirit. The reason you cannot fathom the existence of God is because you are a natural man as described in the scriptures.

1 Corinthians 2:9-16 (King James Version)
King James Version (KJV)

The natural man is a person living under the control of fleshly passions, the sensual and depraved part of man in contrast with the rational part. He is the animal man as opposed to the spiritual man. He has no sense of spiritual values neither does he desire them. He counts it the highest wisdom to live for this world and carnal pleasures. Spiritual things are foolishness to him, he cannot see their supreme excellence due to animal appetites and being spiritually dead.

In contrast, the spiritual man lives under the control of the Holy Spirit and minds the things of the Spirit. He has the mind of Christ and discerns and esteems spiritual things above the sensual. He is a new creature and resurrected from death in trespasses and sins. The lower animal passions have been crucified and put off.

It was G.K. Chesterton who rightly stated, "If there were no God, there would be no atheists." A thinking person will tell you that it's impossible to prove that God doesn't exist. Before someone can say, "There is no God," he or she needs to have all knowledge — because somewhere in the universe there may be evidence that God does exist. And there is, right under our noses. A building is proof there was a builder. A painting is proof there was a painter, and creation is absolute proof that there was and is a Creator. The question is, are you good enough to go to Heaven? Here's how to know: Have you ever lied (even once) or stolen (regardless of value)? Have you ever used God's name in vain, or had sexual thoughts about someone to whom you are not married? Have you ever hated someone? If you said yes to those questions, on Judgment Day God will see you as a lying thief, a blasphemer, an adulterer, and even a murderer. Jesus said, "Whoever looks at a woman to lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart," and Scripture also says that if you hate someone, you are a murderer. This is the Bible's warning — if God gives you justice on Judgment Day, you will end up in Hell. Forever. Not believing in something won't make it go away. You need to be forgiven before that day, and because God is rich in mercy He made a way for you to be clean in His sight: "God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us." Jesus suffered and died on the cross, taking the punishment for your sins. He paid your fine in His life's blood, so that you could leave the courtroom. Then He rose from the dead and defeated death. Your death sentence can be commuted. Please, come to your senses— repent and trust in Jesus, and God will forgive you and grant you eternal life. Pray something like: "Dear God, please forgive my sins (name them). I turn from them and trust Jesus Christ as my Lord and Saviour. In His name I pray. Amen." Then read the Bible daily and obey what you read (see John 14:21). Now go to www.livingwaters.com and click on "Save Yourself Some Pain."

OLAADEGBU:

One multiplied by One multiplied by One is equal to One (1 times 1 times 1 = 1)
The Father, the Word, the Holy Spirit = God. IJohn.5:7; Matthew. 3:16-17;28:19.

OLAADEGBU:

Death is definite and your creator and ruler of the universe will be judging you by His moral standard which is the 10 commandments and if you do not pass that test with your own code of ethics you will find yourself eternally separated from God in the lake of fire. To avoid this calamity happening to you avail yourself of the free gift of eternal life that Jesus has purchased for you with His own blood so that you will not be judged on judgment day and start to enjoy all the benefits of eternal life from now on.

MC Usman:



We find in the "Trinity" — Father — Son — and Holy Ghost, perhaps the culmination of the efforts of people struggling for a 'Supremacy' in religious expression and achieving an enigma, few Christians can adequately explain today,

JayFK:

I don't believe in life after death nor do I believe in god, I'm sure if there was even life after death my own code of ethics will hold up. But hey that's Christianity's for you, believe or be everlastingly tortured. What a sociopathic god you believe in. Human imagination is a wonderful thing. That's why you have idiots like uchkochi claiming that Aids is a spirit.

OLAADEGBU:

It does not take a rocket scientist to come to the conclusion that if there is a wristwatch found in the Sahara desert it must have been made by a watchmaker and that it did not form itself by chance as you are made to believe. In the same logic you will expect that Matter was created by a Creator. Time had a beginning, likewise Space and they will all have an end or expiry date.

OLAADEGBU:



You as a person as an intelligent being is expected to search out the meaning and purpose of your presence here on earth and what would happen to you when your time expires. It is a privilege to pass through time, space and matter but when your time is up will you be prepared to meet your maker? You may say you don't believe but if and if you find out after death that you are to face your maker on the judgment day would that not be too much of a risk to your soul to meet Him unprepared?

My answer to your questions are in the affirmative. For you to understand and comprehend the meaning of the Triune God you have to believe that He is and He rewards those that diligently seek Him. Hebrews 11:6

Therefore, put aside all your preconceptions, presuppositions, world-views, philosophies and ideologies and go to Him with and open mind and ask Him to reveal Himself to you. He is your creator and ruler of the universe, as He sees the sincerity in your intention He will surely show up. John 14:21

16 And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him:
17 And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.

Matthew 3:16-17 (King James Version)
King James Version (KJV)

19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
Matthew 28:19

7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

1 John 5:7 (King James Version)
King James Version (KJV)

Pastor AIO:

7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

I find it hard to believe that bibles still containing the above quote still exist. There is absolutely no biblical support for the Trinity, it was arrived at by the church (through the guidance of the holy spirit). The line saying these three are one was a very very late addition to the bible which was later rescinded. Olaadegbu must be reading a very old bible, but not old enough.

God’s Word teaches:
That the Godhead consists of three separate, distinct, and recognizable personalities and qualities, perfectly united in one. The Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost are different Persons in the Godhead, not merely three names for one Person - Matthew 3:16,17; 2 Corinthians 13:14; Matthew 28:19, 20.

The Godhead consists of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost. The Bible clearly teaches that each member of the Godhead is God; separate, distinct and recognisable personalities and qualities perfectly united in one.
The Father is called God (I Corinthians 8:6; Psalm 89:26; I Chronicles 29:10; Matthew 6:9),
The Son, Jesus Christ, is called God (Isaiah 9:6,7; John 20:28), and

The Holy Ghost is called God (Acts 5:3-4; 1 Corinthians 3:16,17; 6:19,20; Hebrews 3:7-9; 10:15,16; Jeremiah 31:31-34).

From the foregoing it is clear that the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost are three distinct Persons, co-eternal, co-existent and co-equal in power and divine attributes that make each God.  The word “GOD” in Genesis 1:1 means Elohim and in Hebrew language this is the plural of El (The Strong One). “Elohini’ (The Strong Ones) appear more than 2,700 times in the Old Testament and this plurality is seen in: “Let Us make man in OUR image, after OUR likeness”; “The LORD said ,  let US go down, and there confound their language” (Genesis 1:26; 3:22; 11:6,7; John 14:23; Psalm2:3). The Godhead is also referred to as the Holy Trinity (Romans 1:20).

The unity of the Godhead is scripturally evidenced in the execution of all divine plans and purposes.  At creation, a significant fact about the Godhead emerged with the use of the plural noun “us”, by God Himself (Genesis 1:26).  Elementarily, this implies the involvement of more than one personality in the creation of man.  The same word continued to recur first, after the fall of man (Genesis 3:22), and on the threshold of God’s perfect desire to curb the foolish excesses of man, by wisely confounding him with diverse languages (Genesis 11:7).
The testimony of scriptures on the ministry of the Lord Jesus Christ reveals the perfect unity of the Godhead.  It was God’s anointing and the Power of the Holy Ghost that enabled Jesus to fulfil His ministry (Acts 10:38).

The divine-human relationship also confirms God in three persons perfecting the relationship of man with the Triune God (Ephesians 2:18). The complementary functions of the Trinity are referred to in almost all books of the New Testament (Matthew 3:16,17; 28:19; Mark 1:10; John 16:7-15; 6:37,44; Romans 8:16; I Thessalonians 5:23; Ephesians 5:25; I Peter 1:2; I Corinthians 12:4,7; Acts 10:38).

The three personalities in the Godhead acted together in the incarnation of the Lord Jesus Christ.  God the Father did not only make His Son available to assume the garb of human flesh preparatory for His vicarious mission (John 3:16), He despatched an angel to announce the impending birth of the Saviour of the whole world by a virgin.  This was a supernatural work that was subsequently fully perfected by the power of the Holy Ghost (Luke 1:26,35).

Further proof of the truth about the Godhead became clear at the baptism of Jesus Christ, when the Father sent the Holy Ghost in bodily form as a dove upon[b] Christ[/b], and God Almighty Himself made a public proclamation of Jesus as His beloved Son. (Matthew 3:16,17).  Even at the onset of His ministry, Jesus affirmed the companionship of God the Father and the Holy Ghost with Him.  It was only by their combined workings that He was to fulfil His multi-pronged ministy of preaching the gospel, healing the sick, delivering the captives, etc. (Luke 4:18).

Truly, the work of redemption which Jesus Christ completed by submitting Himself to die on the cross, was a joint venture with the Father and the Holy Ghost (Hebrews 9:14), as was the second work of grace, sanctification or holiness, by which man is cleansed from his in-bred depravity, the fallen nature he inherited from Adam (John 17:17; Romans 15:16).  Also, the Godhead is at work in empowering believers through the baptism in the Holy Spirit, to discharge the duties handed them by God (John 15:26; 16:7-15; Luke 11:13).

Christ’s command as He handed down the Great Commission to His disciples was to baptize all that repent and believe the gospel, in the Name of the[b] Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost [/b] (Matthew. 28:19).

Even today, our prayer involves the three personalities in the Godhead.  We direct our prayers to God the Father (Luke 11:2; 22:42; 23:34,46;John 17:1,5,24- 26; James 1:5) through Jesus Christ, the Son (John 14:13,14; 15:16); And of course, without the help of the Holy Spirit all our prayers will be in vain (Romans
8:26).
The Godhead is the universal testimony of the scriptures, for “there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word (Son) and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one” (I John 5:7). It is, only the perfect work of the Godhead that has continued to sustain us on a day-to-day basis as believers (2 Corinthians 13:14).
The Godhead is a great mystery which is clearly beyond the finite mind of the unsaved natural man (I Corinthians 2:14). The believer accepts the gospel truth of the Trinity by faith, recognizing that God remains the eternal repository of all mysteries (Deuteronomy 29:29); that with respect to His being or essence, God is one; with respect to His personality, God is three; and the essence must neither be divided nor the persons confused. In spite of the great mystery surrounding it, the doctrine of the Godhead has always proved to be eminently rich in spiritual and practical values. And for all those willing, the Lord Jesus Christ promises the advent of a blissful reign by the Godhead (John 14:23; Revelation 3:20).

babs787:

@Olaadegbu
Did you read my post up?

3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God. [/color]

4 [color=#000099]Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?

5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.[/color][color=#990000]

6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.

8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.

9 Nicodemus answered and said unto him, How can these things be?

10 Jesus answered and said unto him, Art thou a master of Israel, and knowest not these things?

11 Verily, verily, I say unto thee, We speak that we do know, and testify that we have seen; and ye receive not our witness.

12 If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things?[/

29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.

9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.

12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.

13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

" Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.

  For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:"