Players literally starts guarding Steph Curry from mid court. You had Centers in the league working on their 3pt shots because the game was leaving the big men and even guards stopped taking midrange shots just because of how deadly they could be or how much of an advantage teams got by making 3s. Now you have guys like Dame, LeBron trying to be like Steph and pulling up from the logo. No one is arguing LeBron was the player of last decade. But talk about influence, Stephen Wardell Curry changed the game whether you like it or yes.

etidy:


They choked last season but we shouldn't sleep on these Clippers. Hmm

They have been humbled. But overall a lot of people slept on their additions. Ibaka, Batum and Kennard. Even I have been suprised by how decent Batum has looked

SmooshCHN:
Players literally starts guarding Steph Curry from mid court. You had Centers in the league working on their 3pt shots because the game was leaving the big men and even guards stopped taking midrange shots just because of how deadly they could be or how much of an advantage teams got by making 3s. Now you have guys like Dame, LeBron trying to be like Steph and pulling up from the logo. No one is arguing LeBron was the player of last decade. But talk about influence, Stephen Wardell Curry changed the game whether you like it or yes.

When someone open mouth on Obasanjo's internet to tell you Harden has influenced the game more than Steph Curry you have to

Lol. Is it Steph that made big men to begin to develop ball handling skills too? Is it Steph that made big men to develop good passing skills too? The game was always destined to move towards the direction it is now, Steph or no Steph. Before Steph ever entered the league, big men like Troy Murphy, Channing Frye and Dirk were already attempting 5 threes a game.

And don't even get me started about volume three point shooting. Guys like Ray Allen attempted 8 three pointers a game back in 2006. The first time Steph reached that mark was in 2014. And since then he has been operating seemingly in his own bubble, jacking up to 10 three a game. There are just a handful of players in the league who do that: Harden, Dame. The first time Dame even attempted 10 threes per game was last year, and Steph has been doing it since 2015. Nobody, apart from these few people I mentioned attempts as much threes as Steph does, so how has he influenced sh*t?

LeBron attempted 5 threes in 2010, and he has been shooting more or less the same amount since then, only reaching 6 this year. That is someone who is developing his game at his own pace. People shoot threes because they can shoot threes and because the coach permits them to. Steve Kerr and Mark Jackson before him love the three ball, that's why GS became a three shooting team. In this league there are people who still don't shoot threes, and I'm not talking Centers alone, even guards. Rondo won't shoot a three unless there's no one guarding him. It's all preference man, preference.

Na still for this Obasanjo internet wey person open mouth talk say Curry don influence the game pass LeBron, and some midgets liked the post.

Roland17:
Popovic has got these young Spurs playing some exciting basketball. I have watch a couple of their games recently including wins agains both LA teams, my Celtics and last night against the Nuggets. They are very quick in transition and because of their wing span they can be quite disruptive on the defensive end.
We are also seeing the resurgence of P. Mills who has has been a catalyst off the bench for them. Would they make the playoffs?

I'm pretty intrigued by that team. They have a few young bucks. Dejounte, Lonnie Walker, Keldon Johnson. Who have made us completely forget about Derrick White. I don't even see where he fits in when he returns.

I think barring catastrophic injury it's tough to bet against the Spurs making the playoffs considering the fact that two if not three of the teams that made it last year might not make it this year

SmooshCHN:
Players literally starts guarding Steph Curry from mid court. You had Centers in the league working on their 3pt shots because the game was leaving the big men and even guards stopped taking midrange shots just because of how deadly they could be or how much of an advantage teams got by making 3s. Now you have guys like Dame, LeBron trying to be like Steph and pulling up from the logo. No one is arguing LeBron was the player of last decade. But talk about influence, Stephen Wardell Curry changed the game whether you like it or yes.

@steady986 my brother, you know we are usually on the same page but the bolded right here isn’t conjecture, it is facts.

Steph totally changed the game.

steady986:

Wait, the step-back three that the whole league now does, who made it popular? Or am I missing something here? To the extent that the league had to bring about the gather rule just to accommodate it. Man gerrarahere

And you had to throw in the ol' LeBron shade . Saying Curry is more influential than LeBron. The words didn't taste bitter in your mouth? And his minions had to like the post

Without LeBron in this league for the past decade or so, the sports would be as popular as the NHL. LeBron influenced the game on and off the court more than Curry would ever dream of. I'm not even arguing this with you, it's ridiculous.

Try to re-read your argument to see if you are addressing the issue before us. Again, I hate to point out the glaring holes in your position but a player's signature move does not mean he has changed the way we perceive basketball. The step-back 3 for e.g is not an efficient shot even for Harden. He travels virtually everytime he does it and he and his Rocketeers won nothing with it. Why would anyone want it in their repertoire? Nobody is throwing shade at your darling Lebron. He has been a great ambassador for the NBA in this past decade but did Lebron alter the way the game is played? No. Instead Lebron adjusted to the way Curry made the game. You know that prior to 2014/15 players like Lebron only jacked up a 3 when the shot clock was running down, the paint was clogged or defenders slagged off him daring him to shoot. But these days Lebron takes such shots at times as his first means of offense and no coach frowns upon such anymore because they saw an unassuming 6'3" player, do so enroute to winning rings, MVPs and selling more jerseys than your darling. It is what it is.

steady986:
Lol. Is it Steph that made big men to begin to develop ball handling skills too? Is it Steph that made big men to develop good passing skills too? The game was always destined to move towards the direction it is now, Steph or no Steph. Before Steph ever entered the league, big men like Troy Murphy, Channing Frye and Dirk were already attempting 5 threes a game.

And don't even get me started about volume three point shooting. Guys like Ray Allen attempted 8 three pointers a game back in 2006. The first time Steph reached that mark was in 2014. And since then he has been operating seemingly in his own bubble, jacking up to 10 three a game. There are just a handful of players in the league who do that: Harden, Dame. The first time Same even attempted 10 threes per game was last year, and Steph has been doing it since 2015. Nobody, apart from these few people I mentioned attempts as much threes as Steph does, so how has he influenced sh*t?

LeBron attempted 5 threes in 2010, and he has been shooting more or less the same amount since then, only reaching 6 this year. That is someone who is developing his game at his own pace. People shoot threes because they can shoot threes and because the coach permits them to. Steve Kerr and Mark Jackson before him love the three ball, that's why GS became a three shooting team. In this league there are people who still don't shoot threes, and I'm not talking Centers alone, even guards. Rondo won't shoot a three unless there's no one guarding him. It's all preference man, preference.

I understand how you feel. You started an argument that has turned around to bite you in the behind. Your unskilled use of strawman arguments are also painful to read. Read exactly what is being said. In 2010, because Lebron was a far less handsome Ben Simmons, teams slagged off him daring him to shoot the 3 ball. That he attempted 5 of them per game with eye-paining inefficiency does not mean that he was generally fond of taking that many 3 balls. Understand what is being said here. If you saw the last dance or any documentary on MJ you would have noticed that it was a consensus in 1984 that Olajuwon should go before MJ. That is because it was a centre's league at the time and nobody believed a franchise would survive being built around a shooting guard. You know what became of that. That is an e.g of how MJ changed the way we viewed basketball. A 6'9" SF, strong as the hulk, quick, athletic with an eye for the game is a given. He came and did exactly what he was hyped about. But did Lebron change anyone's perception about basketball? Did NBA teams learn how to play differently because of him? Are more players from high school to NCAA playing the game the way he plays it? The answer is no.

SmooshCHN:
Players literally starts guarding Steph Curry from mid court. You had Centers in the league working on their 3pt shots because the game was leaving the big men and even guards stopped taking midrange shots just because of how deadly they could be or how much of an advantage teams got by making 3s. Now you have guys like Dame, LeBron trying to be like Steph and pulling up from the logo. No one is arguing LeBron was the player of last decade. But talk about influence, Stephen Wardell Curry changed the game whether you like it or yes.

High school and NCAA games have players shooting long range 3s from all across the court. 6'1"-6'3" guards with small builds like Trey Young are becoming franchise players because of their 3 point shooting. Buddy Hield and Lonzo Ball were lottery picks because of the hype around their 3 pt shooting. Prior, they would have been like JJ Reddick and Korver. That is an e.g of how people's perception changed towards the game because of SC.

Roland17:
Popovic has got these young Spurs playing some exciting basketball. I have watch a couple of their games recently including wins agains both LA teams, my Celtics and last night against the Nuggets. They are very quick in transition and because of their wing span they can be quite disruptive on the defensive end.
We are also seeing the resurgence of P. Mills who has has been a catalyst off the bench for them. Would they make the playoffs?

They will, maybe even ahead of the warriors. I believe Derozan has accepted his fate and some of the younger players are understanding the style of the coach. It also helps that there is less pressure to win a ring like it was for the spurs in the past years. I personally think they will get more consistent than the warriors and should CJ McCollum falter after his injury break then the spurs will also seed higher than them.

A40:
I'm pretty intrigued by that team. They have a few young bucks. Dejounte, Lonnie Walker, Keldon Johnson. Who have made us completely forget about Derrick White. I don't even see where he fits in when he returns.


I think barring catastrophic injury it's tough to bet against the Spurs making the playoffs considering the fact that two if not three of the teams that made it last year might not make it this year

K. Johnson particularly for me has been the most consistent on both ends of the court. There are concerns within the Spurs circle about reintegrating D. White into the first team..I should also mention that your boy, the one you hate DeRozan has been playing very very well this season.

Android17:


Try to re-read your argument to see if you are addressing the issue before us. Again, I hate to point out the glaring holes in your position but a player's signature move does not mean he has changed the way we perceive basketball. The step-back 3 for e.g is not an efficient shot even for Harden. He travels virtually everytime he does it and he and his Rocketeers won nothing with it. Why would anyone want it in their repertoire? Nobody is throwing shade at your darling Lebron. He has been a great ambassador for the NBA in this past decade but did Lebron alter the way the game is played? No. Instead Lebron adjusted to the way Curry made the game. You know that prior to 2014/15 players like Lebron only jacked up a 3 when the shot clock was running down, the paint was clogged or defenders slagged off him daring him to shoot. But these days Lebron takes such shots at times as his first means of offense and no coach frowns upon such anymore because they saw an unassuming 6'3" player, do so enroute to winning rings, MVPs and selling more jerseys than your darling. It is what it is.

Lol, you wrote something in the lines of "I want to dribble like Harden, says nobody" and I gave you an appropriate answer. Now you want to switch goalposts. Harden step-back is a thing. Know that now. Harden's got the whole league doing step-back threes, including your darling Steph. Harden may not have changed the way we "perceive" the game but he certainly changed the way the game is played.

Players influence the game in different ways, both by their exploits on the court and off it. Tell me, you have Kobe as one of the people who most influenced the game. How did Kobe influence the game when he was basically a replica of MJ?

And you say LeBron didn't alter the game on the court? Google the term "point forward" and see whose picture first appears. LeBron basically created a positionless league and altered the status quo. Gone are the days of Stockton, Isiah and Magic where the burden of playmaking rested on the PGs. Now you have guys like Draymond Green averaging more assists than Steph, Kawhi averaging more assists than Beverley, Jokic averaging more assists than Murray. You gat DG bringing the ball up the court more times than Curry. You have Jokic doing same. Back then these duties rested more on the guards.

How many finals MVPs has Curry amassed shooting those threes? Instead he begged a mid-range shooting guy to come over because he knew his threes couldn't win sh*t for him except he plays against a injury-ravaged team .

Android17:


I understand how you feel. You started an argument that has turned around to bite you in the behind. Your unskilled use of strawman arguments are also painful to read. Read exactly what is being said. In 2010, because Lebron was a far less handsome Ben Simmons, teams slagged off him daring him to shoot the 3 ball. That he attempted 5 of them per game with eye-paining inefficiency does not mean that he was generally fond of taking that many 3 balls. Understand what is being said here. If you saw the last dance or any documentary on MJ you would have noticed that it was a consensus in 1984 that Olajuwon should go before MJ. That is because it was a centre's league at the time and nobody believed a franchise would survive being built around a shooting guard. You know what became of that. That is an e.g of how MJ changed the way we viewed basketball. A 6'9" SF, strong as the hulk, quick, athletic with an eye for the game is a given. He came and did exactly what he was hyped about. But did Lebron change anyone's perception about basketball? Did NBA teams learn how to play differently because of him? Are more players from high school to NCAA playing the game the way he plays it? The answer is no.

I've already addressed some of your points here but let me tackle a few. Where do you get your assumption that LeBron was shooting with "eye-paining" efficiency? LeBron has always been a mid 30% shooter all his career, including in 2010. And that alone is enough for him to be respected from beyond the arch. He wasn't as bad as MJ.

And in 1984, weren't MJ and Hakeem both rookies? In fact if it was the Olympics, then they hadn't played a game in the NBA. At the end, MJ was selected and not Olajuwon so what's your point exactly? Even though Olajuwon was drafted in the NBA before the MJ himself

Android17:


High school and NCAA games have players shooting long range 3s from all across the court. 6'1"-6'3" guards with small builds like Trey Young are becoming franchise players because of their 3 point shooting. Buddy Hield and Lonzo Ball were lottery picks because of the hype around their 3 pt shooting. Prior, they would have been like JJ Reddick and Korver. That is an e.g of how people's perception changed towards the game because of SC.

Wait, Highschool and College kids shooting long range threes? Are we watching different sports here. The same NCAA that players would rather shoot a two than a three? The same NCAA that players can't shoot to save their lives? Lol

And Lonzo Ball was hyped because of his three point shooting?

Lol. It looks like I've been arguing for nothing all this time

steady986:


Lol, you wrote something in the lines of "I want to dribble like Harden, says nobody" and I gave you an appropriate answer. Now you want to switch goalposts. Harden step-back is a thing. Know that now. Harden's got the whole league doing step-back threes, including your darling Steph. Harden may not have changed the way we "perceive" the game but he certainly changed the way the game is played.

Players influence the game in different ways, both by their exploits on the court and off it. Tell me, you have Kobe as one of the people who most influenced the game. How did Kobe influence the game when he was basically a replica of MJ?

And you say LeBron didn't alter the game on the court? Google the term "point forward" and see whose picture first appears. LeBron basically created a positionless league and altered the status quo. Gone are the days of Stockton, Isiah and Magic where the burden of playmaking rested on the PGs. Now you have guys like Draymond Green averaging more assists than Steph, Kawhi averaging more assists than Beverley, Jokic averaging more assists than Murray. You gat DG bringing the ball up the court more times than Curry. You have Jokic doing same. Back then these duties rested more on the guards.

How many finals MVPs has Curry amassed shooting those threes? Instead he begged a mid-range shooting guy to come over because he knew his threes couldn't win sh*t for him except he plays against a injury-ravaged team .

Manu Ginobili had a signature eurostep move which other players in the NBA copied but here we are not talking about his influence. Dirk Nowitzki had his self-styled fade away as well. I don't know if this parochial style of argument is a fixture to bronsexuals but signature move is not tantamount to changing the way the game is perceived. I can answer your queries on Kobe on another day but I will not give you Kobe to draw false parallels with Lebron. Sure, Lebron is a great player and this generation's GOAT but no coach designs his set-up hoping that his small forward runs point for him. That Lebron can do so is testament to his greatness and that is about it. Ben Simmons, Draymond, run the point from time to time but their lack of shooting (especially the 3 ball has made them virtual stars). That should tell you that reinventing a position by a player is not changing our perception of the game to the degree you think. It is that Lebron who had survived for years without a consistent 3 ball has decided to arm himself with it to remain competitive. It is the same thing Giannis has tried to add to his game. Heck, it is the same thing that Doncic (a potential future GOAT) has been told he needs to WIN even though he averages 30 pt triple doubles without it. That is how true influence is defined. Hehe

steady986:


I've already addressed some of your points here but let me tackle a few. Where do you get your assumption that LeBron was shooting with "eye-paining" efficiency? LeBron has always been a mid 30% shooter all his career, including in 2010. And that alone is enough for him to be respected from beyond the arch. He wasn't as bad as MJ.

And in 1984, weren't MJ and Hakeem both rookies? In fact if it was the Olympics, then they hadn't played a game in the NBA. At the end, MJ was selected and not Olajuwon so what's your point exactly? Even though Olajuwon was drafted in the NBA before the MJ himself

I don't know how bad you are at maths but if a player shoots high volume 3s and is at 35% he is significantly better than another who is relatively mid volume and 33%. Lebron is on record saying that the Mavericks exploited a weakness to his game in 2010-11 when he was a badly receded hairlined Ben Simmons. If you take away his improved 3 point shooting and leave him with all the assists in the world, he will be 2 less short of his 4 rings. That should tell you what an improved 3pt shot (as well as all star calibre players) can do for your king. I don't know what tangent you went off on MJ and Hakeem but my point was that every one agreed in 1984 that Hakeem should go first in drafts and not MJ only because it was uncanny to build around a shooting guard. MJ debunked that narrative forever and ever. Amen.

steady986:


Wait, Highschool and College kids shooting long range threes? Are we watching different sports here. The same NCAA that players would rather shoot a two than a three? The same NCAA that players can't shoot to save their lives? Lol

And Lonzo Ball was hyped because of his three point shooting?

Lol. It looks like I've been arguing for nothing all this time

You do not watch the NCAA nor high school basketball.

Good to see the Celtics play better defensively. Our lack of practice because of COVID really affected the defensive chemistry of this team. Brad is mixing it up with the use of zonal defense and 1v1 tonight.

J. Brown has to the the Most Improved Player and should get his first NBA Allstar nomination after getting snubbed last season.

A. Davis is a PROBLEM!

A wild finish but once again we fall short..

My boys got sloppy there in the end after shutting down the Celtics for almost the entire 4th quarter. LeBron was just fooling around, deferring to AD and Schroder all the time. Well, it's the regular season, a time to try what works and what doesn't. Great win in the end after that disappointment in Detroit.

Android17:


I don't know how bad you are at maths but if a player shoots high volume 3s and is at 35% he is significantly better than another who is relatively mid volume and 33%. Lebron is on record saying that the Mavericks exploited a weakness to his game in 2010-11 when he was a badly receded hairlined Ben Simmons. If you take away his improved 3 point shooting and leave him with all the assists in the world, he will be 2 less short of his 4 rings. That should tell you what an improved 3pt shot (as well as all star calibre players) can do for your king. I don't know what tangent you went off on MJ and Hakeem but my point was that every one agreed in 1984 that Hakeem should go first in drafts and not MJ only because it was uncanny to build around a shooting guard. MJ debunked that narrative forever and ever. Amen.

I've said all I need to say, Curry didn't influence sh*t. You can cry if you want.

Who even has time for these LeBron haters? Only trash comes out of their mouths. I made a promise to myself never to engage them on anything LeBron and imma stick with it.

steady986:

I've said all I need to say, Curry didn't influence sh*t. You can cry if you want.

Nobody is crying. You got served.

Going forward I want to see AD be more aggressive. No more of that 17 point - 18 point games. You're good enough to average 30 in this league. And work on them free throws, damn it.

Vogel is honestly doing wholesale experimentations with this team. Some night he plays THT 5 minutes, sometimes he plays him 20 like tonight. Sometimes he doesn't play at all. Tonight, both Matthews and Morris were fit but neither got on the court. I hope we'll be ready when it's time for business

steady986:

I've said all I need to say, Curry didn't influence sh*t. You can cry if you want.

You're a grown man Brother. Everything isn't about winning arguments. Watch some YouTube videos, do some Google research if you're interested in learning. Nobody is trashing LeBron. He's basically the best player in the last 20 years.

Here are some facts though:

Stephen Curry influence on basketball is almost greater than any we've seen in a long time. You will get bítch slapped if you bring James Harden "step back" into the conversation. That's a signature move and it didn't start today. If you think basketball moves like Eurostep, Dream Shake, Sky hook, Dirk Fade away should be compared to changing the way the game is played, Omo nobody here can help your poor basic basketball knowledge.
Man up, stop using stubbornness to mask the fact that you are wrong at an argument you tried to bring up just to hate on Curry and also failed at trying to shift goal post and make it about LeBron. Go do research and learn some more and stop disgracing yourself. There a ways to do it if you want to make a case for LeBron and it's not hard to do.

On a serious note, if you want to talk about influential players on the court mention Curry, MJ, Allen Iverson, Steve Nash, Magic Johnson, Hakeem, Charles Barkley, Larry Bird, Julius Irving, Kareem and co.
Off the court, you can mention LeBron and how he has changed the basketball market and how players have more freedom than ever in negotiations and free agency, Bill Russell, Elgin Baylor on racism and so many others.

My argument is not perfect especially with some examples however, those who understand basketball to an extent will get my point and even point me in the right direction.

Roland17:
Good to see the Celtics play better defensively. Our lack of practice because of COVID really affected the defensive chemistry of this team. Brad is mixing it up with the use of zonal defense and 1v1 tonight.

J. Brown has to the the Most Improved Player and should get his first NBA Allstar nomination after getting snubbed last season.

Was just about telling you this

steady986:


I've already addressed some of your points here but let me tackle a few. Where do you get your assumption that LeBron was shooting with "eye-paining" efficiency? LeBron has always been a mid 30% shooter all his career, including in 2010. And that alone is enough for him to be respected from beyond the arch. He wasn't as bad as MJ.

And in 1984, weren't MJ and Hakeem both rookies? In fact if it was the Olympics, then they hadn't played a game in the NBA. At the end, MJ was selected and not Olajuwon so what's your point exactly? Even though Olajuwon was drafted in the NBA before the MJ himself

If I may answer this ,

In 1984, Hakeem didn’t have his US citizenship yet and was thus ineligible.

Same reason he wasn’t on the Dream Team.

steady986:
Going forward I want to see AD be more aggressive. No more of that 17 point - 18 point games. You're good enough to average 30 in this league. And work on them free throws, damn it.

I don’t know if he’s lazy, soft or just got comfortable after winning a championship.

mattfeuter:


I don’t know if he’s lazy, soft or just got comfortable after winning a championship.

Has to be comfort. And a little fatigue.