MrLucifer:
One thing life and the redpill has thought me is that LOGIC will always out perform EMOTIONS in the long run.

Most people don't understand why some guys were vehemently against Mrcoldsweat.
His submission comes from a nihilistic perspective, this is even more dangerous than Modern Feminism.

Nihilists don't believe in correcting a faulty system, to a nihilist, the best way to correct a fault is to let the system degenerate into total chaos and anarchy, from which only the strong will survive..

If Men start behaving like modern women, then the fabric of society will collapse, the strong will prey on the weak, the smart on the stupid, till we find our way to the brink of extinction as a species, then whoever is left will be very wise with experience, thus becoming better.

Those who survive this process will eventually do better than their predecessors, the end game is similar to that of the red pill, which is to make the system better than what we have now.
But the sacrifice is too great, why go to all that extent, when there is a better way, I.e Redpill

I believe in this too, but I won't lie to myself and say it is the best way, or say it is part of the redpill.

Now to my opening paragraph, Logic will always be more reliable when compared with Emotions.

Ask yourself, the decision to "modify masculinity" is it coming from a place of Logic or from a place of Emotion?

Are you deciding to modify your masculinity because it is the right thing to do or because todays women are doing it.
So when tomorrow's women decide gender equality is no longer in vogue and decide to pick up another struggle like "too many Male births" and decide to abort male babies, what do we do then?

Do we modify male babies? Start giving excuses like "there is actually no need for more male babies since one man can impregnate the whole world "

When a foreign intruder invades your lands and is about to plunder your women, children and possessions, do you think mother nature cares about your level of masculinity?
She expects you to pick up your battle axe and face whoever is threatening the propagation of your gene, no negotiation.
Should you fail, it simply means the intruder possesses some traits which make him more likely to survive in the cruel world, so he should have the right to spread his gene, not you who doesn't know how to defend what's his in such a cruel world.

The world is cruel, you don't modify masculinity.

Humans have been here for thousands of years, one thing that has always been constant is masculinity and femininity, they go hand in hand, like Ying and Yang.

From one end of the world to the other, masculine men made that first step by leaving the Cave and exploring the world we know today.
They created the modern Man and world we know today, it is as a result of the sacrifice of masculine men that we have relative peace today, maybe it's because of this relative peace someone can even suggest we modify masculinity.

Is is not the modification of femininity( and masculinity) that is causing most of the societal problems we know today.
Women are tired of being women, and men don't know how to be men.

Would we even have this thread if the original Suffragettes/feminists of the 20th century had not thought to modify femininity?

Now you are suggesting the little masculinity we have left should be modified? Why?
Because women modified femininity?

That simply means, just like women, you are making crucial decisions, decisions that determine the survival of your species based on Emotions and how it makes you feel, instead of being rational and logical.

That is why any rational man should be as angry as Dapcity when he comes in contact with nihilistic ideology, because it is more dangerous than Simpish behaviour or feminist ideology.

I am a Nihilist, I'll like to watch everything burn to the ground, only those who are strong enough deserve to survive, but I won't mix it with Redpill.

Redpill is for the self development of a man which will in turn have a positive effect on his women, children and his surroundings.
It flows downward, not upward or sideways.

You've said my mind!

[quote author=TheVictim01 post=99200355][/quote]
That is the natural endorsement and not as a result of any value.

We, like other animals, are wild and chaotic.

The difference is values. We tamed ourselves with values, but women are less tamed and are very much chaotic and unpredictable because they have very few values.


A PC with so many softwares running simultaneously, will slow down often.

A PC with very few softwares will rum very quick because there will be very plenty memory on the ram.

In the default state, we are all wild.

Do you now, believe you in my citings of men not being the subject of womens inability to appreciate Respect, Honour, loyalty and dignity Or should we do away with the fact of them doing away with RESPONSIBILITY to tame themselves with values just as men, and blame males?

MrColdsweat:

That is the natural endorsement and not as a result of any value.

We, like other animals, are wild and chaotic.

The difference is values. We tamed ourselves with values, but women are less tamed and are very much chaotic and unpredictable because they have very few values.


A PC with so many softwares running simultaneously, will slow down often.

A PC with very few softwares will rum very quick because there will be very plenty memory on the ram.

In the default state, we are all wild.

MrColdsweat:


[b]Dear glycolysis.

Seriously?

You did not see that I barely replied to attacks, but gave severally aggressive replies to your post?

I see you often teach your boys how to avoid manipulations, don't you recognize simple provocation?

What happened to recognizing psychological violence and walking away?

If I were a manipulative girlfriend, is this how you would have taken my bait?

And worst of all, you gave apologies?


Like, you don't know that apologies make you vulnerable in the game of manipulation?

did you apologize because you wanted to prove that you are not illogical as I claimed you are?

How about I take your apology, and twist it, and take it to be admittance. I could put it to you that you made that mistake because you have comprehension problems.

Afterall, from page 1 to page 270, nobody on this thread has misquoted anyone. Everyone on this thread quotes the right person. How could you, the leader of the pack, make such silly mistake of taking someone's quote for mine?

Can you see my point with being a man and wanting to prove at all times? You could have ignored my posts and move on, instead you had to prove that you are logical.

Can you see how women exploit us for being men?

Can you see how men are immune to manipulations because of our constant need to prove?


I say You are not logical, then you do something(apologize) to prove that you are logical.

A woman says you are not man enough, them you do something to prove that you are man enough.


A woman says a man cannot Bleep her hard, then he takes Viagra and other pills to Bleep her for hours, putting his heart at risk.

Is this need to prove, good for men?


Now, you are going to spend your time on this thread, being precise, trying to prove that you are not illogical as I claimed.


You failed your test.[/b]

Okay...

TheVictim01:
For us to put a sole blame on men being the perpetrators for the inability of womens appreciation for higher codes of transcendence, as you've used yorubas, igbo and Japanese orientation to values of moral, you're spot on. I have nothing debatable to this motion!
However, if you believe in the existence of the "Sisterhood" we all know that womens loyalty and respect is ingrained withing their mentality, hell! For it becoming a subconscious trait, thus indicating of how deeply perused is it by them.
The SISTERHOOD is abound with loyalty and respect, and these are what makes up the abstraction of HONOUR. So, blame not men for their lack or projection of such loyalty and respect to reality of living with men. This is their problem, believe you me, its their falter!! Women have those traits and decisions of stinginess with these traits were imbibed in them naturally, hence they always put themselves first. This is basic emotions at work, excite them or become detested. Solipsism, narcissism and machiavellianism are all traits aimed highly in exciting emotions!!!!!!

I do not believe in the sisterhood.

Tell me, is the sisterhood as old as brotherhood?

I blame man for everything because he's the symbol of society. He's been responsible for upholding and maintaining it. Who else do I blame? If you see a child who constantly insults his elders or destroys property, won't you blame the parents aso?

Do you think women would agree to create a system where they'll be second class people?

Do you think women agree with men to create a system where they will be beheaded or stoned to death if they sleep around like men?

Men have always molded and tamed women. They have been instilling the attributed values in women since the inception of society until recently.

Also, maybe the scheming, narcissism, and all are part of their so-called struggle for liberation. But I mostly speak about women from the values I know.

But you are still looking at women through your masculine perspective. Men are not narcissistic, treacherous because maybe they have loyalty, honor, nobility as values. Have you thought of it that way?

Our differences are our values.

But I'm not here for women.
I'm here for men. I'm here to show men that masculinity and patriarchy oppresses men much more than women.

I'm here to show men that this thing women bring to the table, is freedom for men. They should swallow their pride and prepare for it by dropping some masculine values, because one way or the other, it will happen in the future and when it happens, they might lose out because they were never prepared.

ichidodo:
Seriously, that guy needs help... Professional help....Blowing the better part of his productive life in Simphood has done his head in especially after haven undergone three devastating heartbreaks...I just dey pity the guy.

congrats

TheVictim01:
Do you now, believe you in my citings of men not being the subject of womens inability to appreciate Respect, Honour, loyalty and dignity Or should we do away with the fact of them doing away with RESPONSIBILITY to tame themselves with values just as men, and blame males?

No.


Have you instilled loyalty and honor in them as values and they didn't still exhibit loyalty?

You have instilled self-control in women by constantly telling them as kids to keep themselves and their virginity till marriage.

As a result, they have great self control, a woman can see a man she likes, but she will still control herself and wait for the man to approach her.


Do you think women will in their right senses, will agree to have chastity as a value? Where they won't Bleep around and men will Bleep around?

Do you think women will agree with men to create a society where they will be in the kitchen while men were having numerous funs outside?

How can you be responsible for society for centuries and still blame women, who just rose up about a century ago?


You've been responsible for molding woman since the beginning. Stop blaiming them.

(1); Okay, You don't believe in the sisterhood and yet you continued to ask of me about BROTHERHOOD COMPARED TO THE SISTERHOOD'S existence within space and time, You seemed to veer off road sir. 1*0=0!!
(2)Men are to some extent to blame and responsible for the current unveiling realities. But the life of a dictatorship holds different to that of a leader. Men did lead women, but a leader has no absolute control unto his followers interests. Men made the world easier to live, then women got tempted, thus the greatest SHIT TEST TO MAN GOT Unfold {Feminism} as someone on nairaland once said (can't really recall of the moniker).

MrColdsweat:


I do not believe in the sisterhood.

Tell me, is the sisterhood as old as brotherhood?

I blame man for everything because he's the symbol of society. He's been responsible for upholding and maintaining it. Who else do I blame? If you see a child who constantly insults his elders or destroys property, won't you blame the parents aso?

Do you think women would agree to create a system where they'll be second class people?

Do you think women agree with men to create a system where they will be beheaded or stoned to death if they sleep around like men?

Men have always molded and tamed women. They have been instilling the attributed values in women since the inception of society until recently.

Also, maybe the scheming, narcissism, and all are part of their so-called struggle for liberation. But I mostly speak about women from the values I know.

But you are still looking at women through your masculine perspective. Men are not narcissistic, treacherous because maybe they have loyalty, honor, nobility as values. Have you thought of it that way?

Our differences are our values.

But I'm not here for women.
I'm here for men. I'm here to show men that masculinity and patriarchy oppresses men much more than women.

I'm here to show men that this thing women bring to the table, is freedom for men. They should swallow their pride and prepare for it by dropping some masculine values, because one way or the other, it will happen in the future and when it happens, they might lose out because they were never prepared.

MrColdsweat:


Men have always molded and tamed women.

I agree with this..
Most times when men complain about women, i smile because the truth is we(men) are the ones that cause them to act that way..
We blame women for being hoes, yet brothel's patronization is increasing in size...
We claim women have only pvssy to offer, yet they deny thier fellow man of a job bcz a woman has offered them pvssy...
We claim women expose their body, yet we still give these women favors and leave out those who cover their bodies...
And many more...
We as men can change women without a word by first focusing on ourselves, helping ourselves and setting our RULES...But ARE WE READY??..
It'll be nice if you can be dropping your points and ignoring anyone that opposes man....
Anyone that dont agree with him should stop reading his posts..
GL everyone

TheVictim01:
(1); Okay, You don't believe in the sisterhood and yet you continued to ask of me about BROTHERHOOD COMPARED TO THE SISTERHOOD'S existence within space and time, You seemed to veer off road sir.
(2)Men are to some extent to blame and responsible for the current unveiling realities. But the life of a dictatorship holds different to that of a leader. Men did lead women, but a leader has no absolute control unto his followers interests. Men made the world easier to live, then women got tempted, thus the greatest SHIT TEST TO MAN GOT UNFOLD as someone on nairaland once said (can't really recall of the moniker).

My posts are not majorly about women. I don't know why most men here cannot talk without involving women even when I stated the need to take our eyes off them for a while and fix it on ourselves.


What you should be doing is to go through my posts and tell me if I'm wrong about the need need to drop some components of masculinity and why we shouldn't drop them.

Agreed!

Zabiboy:

I agree with this..
Most times when men complain about women, i smile because the truth is we(men) are the ones that cause them to act that way..
We blame women for being hoes, yet brothel's patronization is increasing in size...
We claim women have only pvssy to offer, yet they deny thier fellow man of a job bcz a woman has offered them pvssy...
We claim women expose their body, yet we still give these women favors and leave out those who cover their bodies...
And many more...
We as men can change women without a word by first focusing on ourselves, helping ourselves and setting our RULES...But ARE WE READY??..
It'll be nice if you can be dropping your points and ignoring anyone that opposes man....
Anyone that dont agree with him should stop reading his posts..
GL everyone

Zabiboy:

I agree with this..
Most times when men complain about women, i smile because the truth is we(men) are the ones that cause them to act that way..
We blame women for being hoes, yet brothel's patronization is increasing in size...
We claim women have only pvssy to offer, yet they deny thier fellow man of a job bcz a woman has offered them pvssy...
We claim women expose their body, yet we still give these women favors and leave out those who cover their bodies...
And many more...
We as men can change women without a word by first focusing on ourselves, helping ourselves and setting our RULES...But ARE WE READY??..
It'll be nice if you can be dropping your points and ignoring anyone that opposes man....
Anyone that dont agree with him should stop reading his posts..
GL everyone

How dare you tell men the truth, you weak, lily-livered simp?

JasperVII:
The thread has turned to battle ground, redpill gurus everywhere. I'll just sit back and enjoy this show while it lasts, and learn what I can while at it.

Lol...you got me hommie.

Been actively following trains of thoughts and arguments.

I learned some stuffs

You still did not answer my questions. To change one must start on and within ownself. I do follow you hand in hand, I just don't agree with placing the blame solely on men, simple. These are interests, and another can't control or dictate another's interests, this is my argument.

MrColdsweat:


My posts are not majorly. I don't know why most men here cannot talk without involving women even when I stated the need to take our eyes off them for a while and fix it on ourselves.


What you should be doing is to go through my posts and tell me if I'm wrong about the need need to drop some components of masculinity and why we shouldn't drop them.

Dapcity247:



You can't fault mordern redpillers for the mistake of liberal men in western and progressive societies who changed their culture to allow for mordern gynocentrism and feminism via a systematic change in legislations and the popularity and spread of sexual revolution

These liberal Simps paved way for femcentrism which destroyed the traditional definition of gender roles and is killing women's innate feminity, They made a grave error and Feminism has been born and is spreading ever since via globalization,

You made a very grave error in your argument by not specifing the role of our biological and evolutionary make up which makes us different from women and you are trying to debunked AWALT in women which is not a social-conditioning but an evolutionary fact

AWALT debunks and disproves your analysis as it has nothing to do with social conditioning of women by men , and everything to do with biological evolutionary make up

Now this is cold hard logic.... Something way better than the emotion-laden outburst of yours from way back.

This is what being redpill is all about. Constructive criticism.

Can we stop the arguments please? You are messing up the thread . cc dapcity247 mrcoldsweat thevictim01

luminouz:

Lol...you got me hommie.
Been actively following trains of thoughts and arguments.
I learned some stuffs

Truly there is stuff to be learned from the arguments.

Going through the thread this evening. It is no doubt that this wonderful thread is under attack by alien bodies that are strangers to the tenets of redpill.

These people may fall into these categories:

1. Bluepilled men (male feminists)

2. Some married men or people in long term relationship that can't accept the facts that they have been fooled all along. (Denial mode).

3. Blackpillers. I think the guy causing the major problems is a pseu-blackpiller. I called him false blackpiller cos his actions are caused by induced pains from his previous relationships. If given the chance, he will still crawl under a woman's legs and simp away.

That aside, I mostly find myself going against the idealists cos they are not in touch with realities. They always find means to rationalize absurdities.

One of them made a post about elevating women and not putting eyes into their finances. And in-turn, these women will appreciate and do the unthinkable for you. (He just rationalized loyalty without analyzing the subject involved).

Lemme make an example as a realist.

A vegetarian or animal right activist who is an idealists assumes that because he doesn't eat meat or support animals brutality, he may survive in the wild with lions

Since he doesn't eat meat, one should rationalize that the pride of lions would sense that and free him. Well, he will realize his foolishness when been torn apart by beasts. Same beasts he campaigned vigorously to protect.


To the poster that said if you are good to your women, they will be good to you in turn, I must say you are living in ur head. Several stories and researches have proven that women not only are ungrateful to men who treats them right, they go to the extent of ridiculing them to the entertainment of others. She will punish you for bin nice!

Lemme give you example of a recent incident.

https://www.nairaland.com/6397102/woman-seeks-divorce-after-25

The link above, the woman is tired of the man for being too nice to her. Same man gives her approximately $7k per month as personal spending. I am sure if there is a means to kill the man after that court judgment that asked her to stay put with him, she will do that. The man's sins was being too nice.... He is the proverbial vegetarian that expects lions to spare him in the wild.

For those blue and purple pilled men that sees life through justice and fairness. I must tell you as well that there is no justice anywhere. For someone to gain, some have to be lose. For you to get profits on your goods, you will sell it above the actual price u bought it! People are always losing and gaining... Life is not fair and the game is not nice. Those feminists seeking freedom from the manists are not doing it for freedom, they are doing it for power to oppress men (that is why they are busy shouting "women is the future". They don't follow the equality they preached)..... A perfect example of this is the Western worlds.

Life is a jungle. It is survival of the fittest and and only the strongest and smartest survives to pass on their gene in the gene pool to the next generations.



I drop pen.



NOTE: I am not inferring that all vegetarians and animal right activists are idealist.

[s]

yorubarere:
Going through the thread this evening. It is no doubt that this wonderful thread is under attack by alien bodies that are strangers to the tenets of redpill.

These people may fall into these categories:

1. Bluepilled men (male feminists)

2. Some married men or people in long term relationship that can't accept the facts that they have been fooled all along. (Denial mode).

3. Blackpillers. I think the guy causing the major problems is a pseu-blackpiller. I called him false blackpiller cos his actions are caused by induced pains from his previous relationships. If given the chance, he will still crawl under a woman's legs and simp away.

That aside, I mostly find myself going against the idealists cos they are not in touch with realities. They always find means to rationalize absurdities.

One of them made a post about elevating women and not putting eyes into their finances. And in-turn, these women will appreciate and do the unthinkable for you. (He just rationalized loyalty without analyzing the subject involved).

Lemme make an example as a realist.

A vegetarian or animal right activist who is an idealists assumes that because he doesn't eat meat or support animals brutality, he may survive in the wild with lions

Since he doesn't eat meat, one should rationalize that the pride of lions would sense that and free him. Well, he will realize his foolishness when been torn apart by beasts. Same beasts he campaigned vigorously to protect.


To the poster that said if you are good to your women, they will be good to you in turn, I must say you are living in ur head. Several stories and researches have proven that women not only are ungrateful to men who treats them right, they go to the extent of ridiculing them to the entertainment of others. She will punish you for bin nice!

Lemme give you example of a recent incident.

https://www.nairaland.com/6397102/woman-seeks-divorce-after-25

The link above, the woman is tired of the man for being too nice to her. Same man gives her approximately $7k per month as personal spending. I am sure if there is a means to kill the man after that court judgment that asked her to stay put with him, she will do that. The man's sins was being too nice.... He is the proverbial vegetarian that expects lions to spare him in the wild.

For those blue and purple pilled men that sees life through justice and fairness. I must tell you as well that there is no justice anywhere. For someone to gain, some have to be lose. For you to get profits on your goods, you will sell it above the actual price u bought it! People are always losing and gaining... Life is not fair and the game is not nice. Those feminists seeking freedom from the manists are not doing it for freedom, they are doing it for power to oppress men (that is why they are busy shouting "women is the future". They don't follow the equality they preached)..... A perfect example of this is the Western worlds.

Life is a jungle. It is survival of the fittest and and only the strongest and smartest survives to pass on their gene in the gene pool to the next generations.



I drop pen.



NOTE: I am not inferring that all vegetarians and animal right activists are idealist.

[/s]

1. Your supposed reality, beloved society and it's institution are a simulacra of ideas which were birthed in the mental faculties of idealists. When you see an idealist, prostrate and kiss the ground.

2. Your god, realism and his half-brothers pragmatism, logical positivism and empiricism died over 60years ago. We killed them because they were impersonators. They were never gods. You realists, atheists, pragmatists etc are miserable because you carry their caskets on your heads. Bring down the caskets from your heads, bury their bodies and move on.

So many emotional outbursts in the last few pages.
I posit that this is due to inability to compromise on the part of both parties, cus both parties have raised valid points. But still the argument goes on and on. Mainly cause everyone wants to be right, but the truth is that there is no right or truth, just what we believe to be. Some truths are more factual than others, but then again these "factuality" is based on our perception of what is factual.
Anyone following the arguments keenly will come to the conclusion that both parties can either be right or wrong depending on the context, and context they say is everything. I often found myself agreeing with both parties, in the sense of applicable contexts. Its for this reason I find the endless debacle pointless.
If I understand Mrcoldsweat main point to be the fact that men are enslaved by the tag "man" (which is true), and thus man need to free himself from this shackles, the onus then lies on me to determine the extent to which I need to modify my masculinity (or perhaps my perception of it) to meet up with the current social dynamics and also fulfil the ultimate goal of self preservation.
Although I will admit his position could be a double edge sword, in the sense that one who do not fully grasp his concepts could end up applying this in the wrong way. It could lead to a general loss of frame on the long run.
The truth remains that masculinity remains different things to different people, and that some components of masculinity aren't meant to be changed, what components that is, is still up to personal interpretation. The red pill is a personal journey, not a social convention. Hence there is no need for endless arguments and banter.
My suggestion is let everyone post his opinions and position, the onus should be on the reader to digest what he is reading and come to a conclusion on his own. If perhaps you disagree with it, you can highlight constructively the flaws you see in the argument and not personal attacks and jibes, with this healthy exchange, you are helping the manosphere better as those who are reading can have more insights and can be able to come to a better conclusion.
Let peace reign abeg, there has always been conflicting beliefs on this thread, and there always will be. We should ensure that we don't end up destroying the purpose of the thread.

My understanding of AWALT, is that it isn't in terms of absolutes, but is a general consensus.
For instance, the red pill highlights solipsism, hypergamy, whoring as female natural tendencies. AWALT means a woman isn't entirely free from either of these characteristics, a woman could exhibit low hypergamy but high degree of solipsism. Believing NAWALT, could be a recipe for disaster, as one who discovers a woman with low hypergamy, could label her a unicorn and make her the subject of his oneitis. AWALT teaches men to be on guard always and not loose frame so as to avert the risk of danger.
If you are in contact with a lady, you have to observe what female tendencies she has in high degree and tailor the relationship to checkmate the said tendency, that's the red pill.

There are no unicorns, some are just better than others.
AWALT.

MrColdsweat:


My posts are not majorly about women. I don't know why most men here cannot talk without involving women even when I stated the need to take our eyes off them for a while and fix it on ourselves.


What you should be doing is to go through my posts and tell me if I'm wrong about the need need to drop some components of masculinity and why we shouldn't drop them.

You need to understand that without women in the picture, there won't be redpill. Hence, redpill and women in general cannot be separated. Also, many people study the redpill for numerous purposes such as patriarchal reasons, better relations with females, Pick up artistry (PUA) e.t.c. These reasons are inter-twinned with women. Even men going their own way (MGTOW) will not be in existence without women in the picture.

So you see why women will very likely be mentioned on a redpill thread?