Antoeni:
You are also part of Nigeria problem building churches no factories

which factory have you built?

Oyedepo has just said the truth. I used to believe in Nigeria, but not anymore. Nigerians arent ready to change. Naija will not get better soon. The people must first change before she changes. Oil will soon be a thing of the past. It's unfortunate, but this is the truth. And personally, I am not willing to sacrifice anything for Nigeria again. I have done enough.

Antoeni:
You are also part of Nigeria problem building churches no factories

You that is talking, have you been able to build the smallest chinchin factory? If he has not built any factory, you build and let's see!

edoairways:

It is not the responsibility of the church to build factories. Hold your politicians accountable instead of chasing shadows

This is a FOOLISH and IGNORANT statement!

The church money is public funds, just that Nigerians are incredibly stupid people.

Myer:


You're right. The have a calendar on what to preach.

But is it scriptural or simply human devising? Human devising being mostly attributed to devil's inspiration.

Did you read anywhere in the Bible where Jesus or his disciples dedicated some epistles for messages of prosperity while other days were for righteousness?

Now as a visitor to the church, who strolls in during one of their Prosperity month, what will I learn of the gospel except that it is only for gain which is against the scriptures.

Any organisation whether spiritual or physical will fail without a structure.
I believe their calendar is made prayerfully too.
Being a Christian should be shown in all aspects of your life. Not just holiness aspect.
Christ himself was a multifaceted man. He dined with poor, rich, sinners etc.
He performed what can be termed as miracles regarding health, wealth etc.
He brought money out of the inside of a fish caught to pay Caesar his dues, he made wine from water to prevent shame upon the celebrant, he miraculously fed thousands from 2 fish and 5 loaves of bread. So many other things done which can be termed miracle or paranormal.
Don't limit Christianity to just catering to the poor, as it caters to the rich also. Don't limit it to just salvation of sinners, as it caters to 'holy people too. Don't limit it to building factories, as it can build churches too.
I know these men of God are just human like I am, and they don't always get it right, so they can be condemned too if they do anything wrong.
The question now is what do we consider as wrong morally, and what does God consider as wrong?

runningriot:


"Interestingly you can't blame this pastors because there are Bible verses that support this claim, mostly James and Paul's epistles"

Sorry, please I don't understand this paragraph, particularly the dependent clause "There are Bible verses that support this claim". I want you to shade more light and be direct bro"

1 John 3:9
Whoever has been born of God does not sin, for His seed remains in him; and he cannot sin, because he has been born of God.

Galatians 3:10-12
For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse; for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who does not continue in all things which are written in the book of the law, to do them.”
But that no one is justified by the law in the sight of God is evident, for “the just shall live by faith.”
Yet the law is not of faith, but “the man who does them shall live by them.”


These pastors preach that once you're a Christian, nothing you do is considered a sin because God no longer sees you but sees the substituted Christ in your place.

These verses have often been also been interpreted to mean any attempt to obey any of the commandments of the law means you're cursed and not living by faith.

As long as you attempt not to lie or steal or fornicate, etc you're cursed since you're living under the kaw instead of accepting the finished works of Christ.

Yet we see other verses that say those who commit such sins would end up in the lake of fire. It becomes a contradiction.

eyinjuege:


Any organisation whether spiritual or physical will fail without a structure.
I believe their calendar is made prayerfully too.
Being a Christian should be shown in all aspects of your life. Not just holiness aspect.
Christ himself was a multifaceted man. He dined with poor, rich, sinners etc.
He performed what can be termed as miracles regarding health, wealth etc.
He brought money out of the inside of a fish caught to pay Caesar his dues, he made wine from water to prevent shame upon the celebrant, he miraculously fed thousands from 2 fish and 5 loaves of bread. So many other things done which can be termed miracle or paranormal.
Don't limit Christianity to just catering to the poor, as it caters to the rich also. Don't limit it to just salvation of sinners, as it caters to 'holy people too. Don't limit it to building factories, as it can build churches too.
I know these men of God are just human like I am, and they don't always get it right, so they can be condemned too if they do anything wrong.
The question now is what do we consider as wrong morally, and what does God consider as wrong?

Can you share any scripture where Christ preached prosperity?

edoairways:

They are there to build man @the bolded

Asking what what infrastructure from the government? the road you travel on are built and maintained by the government, before now schools were free, even most of these expensive school owners went to almost free tuition school etc....

Church is to support the government for a better society but the reverse is the case in our country, we can't keep defending evil when the truth is very glaring.....

If the church is there to build man (which is the ideal thing) yet the man is becoming more violent and there are increase in crime everywhere caused by man despite churches everywhere, what does that tell you?

PeaceLovJoy:
Oyedepo has just said the truth. I used to believe in Nigeria, but not anymore. Nigerians arent ready to change. Naija will not get better soon. The people must first change before she changes. Oil will soon be a thing of the past. It's unfortunate, but this is the truth. And personally, I am not willing to sacrifice anything for Nigeria again. I have done enough.

Keep this negative bad energy to yourself! Don’t comment and spread your negative energy around. Some of us remain positive so don’t pollute our positive mindset!

Akwamkpuruamu:


A man of God should be poor while a man of Satan should be rich. Hope its ok

Oh a man of God should have private jets while his church members live in abject poverty.

PeaceLovJoy:
Oyedepo has just said the truth. I used to believe in Nigeria, but not anymore. Nigerians arent ready to change. Naija will not get better soon. The people must first change before she changes. Oil will soon be a thing of the past. It's unfortunate, but this is the truth. And personally, I am not willing to sacrifice anything for Nigeria again. I have done enough.

Oyedepo have a very strong influence to make this country better or change that he is talking of but they choose to see the spec in another man's eye without seeing theirs.......
Nigerian politicians and pastors are one and the same.......powered by greed and careless of their members or others etc......
All called black man's mentality...........

JuanJO:

Na school we go chop Las Las. You self follow for our problem.

Yes! na school you go chop.

Ever wonder why your father start you off with sound education and not huge amount of money?

It's because with good education getting money becomes almost too easy. at some point it's boring.

Putting out sound graduates is a reform catalyst for any nation. But thats if they don't travele abroad when they are done. If they are oriented well in truth and patriotism it's a plus.

Truth is we don't have sound graduates. If we do, it won't matter if the goverment is defective.

A real educated mind can find its way round anything. As a matter of fact, the more difficult it is the more entertaining and enjoyable it is for them.

So let them out sound mind into Nigeria to compete if they are honest. But let their heart be for Nigeria. Otherwise it will be the worst form of dishonesty.

Antoeni:
WHEN THE CHURCH BECOMES A BUSINESS

1) Pastors function like CEOs
2) Members are turned into customers
3) Other churches are seen as competitions
4) Evangelism is reduced to marketing
5) Church planting looks more like franchising.

6) Numbers are primary measure of success
7) Prayer and Word study are replaced by formulas
Revival is reduced to a few days fund-raising
program
9) Preaching sounds more like motivational speech. All the people do is shout "I receive, Amen," throughout the concert. I mean the "service".

10) Praise and Worship is turned into a
performance. The best actors are made the worship and praise leaders.
11) The Spirit of God is reduced to "emotionalism". No real power of God other than hypnosis and sensationalism.

12) The saints are entertained instead of equipped
13) Disciples of Christ have become papa's sons, daughters and fans.
14) The Church, a living Body has now become a lifeless body
15) A leader's empire is built instead of the
Kingdom of God advanced
16) The pastor becomes the super man and Jesus Christ reduced to just another religious figure.

you have said it all

ibedun:


This is a FOOLISH and IGNORANT statement!

The church money is public funds, just that Nigerians are incredibly stupid people.

This is where you are ignorant. The church fund is for their members not the general public. Unlike government funds which entails compulsory levy, church's own is voluntary

I see folks fighting for and attacking oyedepo...

Disregarding the message said...

As for you guys saying that he's not meant to build factories... You should hav a rethink cos, that's how wealth should be evenly distributed..

A quick one, how many persons can afford the so called fees from dat school?

This country is just DO AS YOU LIKE.

JuanJO:

Na school we go chop Las Las. You self follow for our problem.

Lol

Antoeni:
You are also part of Nigeria problem building churches no factories

Which factory employ more than the his universities in Nigeria, be happy for someone's progress so that your own will come. Just my piece of advice

desiredhome:

Asking what what infrastructure from the government? the road you travel on are built and maintained by the government, before now schools were free, even most of these expensive school owners went to almost free tuition school etc....

Which useless roads are talking of, Is the ones repaired by some private individuals or the abandoned ones?. Secondly, there are many cheap schools around. Have you ask why many are opting for privately owned?

Church is to support the government for a better society but the reverse is the case in our country, we can't keep defending evil when the truth is very glaring..

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This is where you display your ignorance here. The church has been supporting the government via caring for the needy. The problem is the government abandoning their responsibilities and shouldering it on the church.

[b]If the church is there to build man (which is the ideal thing) yet the man is becoming more violent and there are increase in crime everywhere caused by man despite churches everywhere, what does that tell you?[/b]

The church build man however man choose to be violent. Church doesn't forces their believe on you

Myer:


Can you share any scripture where Christ preached prosperity?

Christ had all he ever needed.
Seeking the prosperity of your soul is the ultimate, but it still doesn't negate physical prosperity
Luke 16 vs 11 talks about those who have not been trustworthy in managing worldly wealth cannot be trusted with true riches.
There is nothing wrong with prosperity preaching. But you have to be faithful and trustworthy. Why do we always have to equate christianity with poverty?
I personally learnt a lot of work ethics from church which I still apply till date. The Nigerian system doesn't have good work ethics and doesnt teach it either. It's a system where carrying expo for exams is encouraged, paying sex and money for grades is encouraged, taking bribe seems normal, paying civil servants to get your file taken to the right place is encouraged and seen as normal when it isn't.
The church is one of the institutions that speaks against all that. Even your police are complicit in all the vices
I learnt of integrity and making your work stand out, even as a child from the prosperity teaching of the church. Working for someone else/organisation and doing it like it's mine instead of just doing the job for the sake of salary.
I learnt to put in my best from some of these prosperity messages.
The messages aren't just about having some wealth magically but they teach integrity, hardwork, and the place of Grace in all this.
You don't have to be poor before you can be seen living a life of Christ. Christ had followers from all aspects of life. Many of his disciples were successful in their various fields and businesses. When you want to serve God, be ready to serve him with your all.
I'm not even a churchgoer but I have been impacted a lot from many of these 'prosperity' teachings.
They spend an hour on the pulpit teaching prosperity, but what exactly is the prosperity teaching you all are against?

Akwamkpuruamu:


A man of God should be poor while a man of Satan should be rich. Hope its ok

Earthly riches is but dust my dear. The earthly success doesn't equate to Gods blessings. Besides, satan control the wealth today to a large degree...he offered it to Jesus u remember?

Mabizeka:
Your churches in the US pays taxes over there but you don't pay it in Nigeria. why?

His churches in the US can receive grants and protection from the govt but can't recieve same here.
May sense fall upon you.
This I pray.

ibedun:


This is a FOOLISH and IGNORANT statement!

The church money is public funds, just that Nigerians are incredibly stupid people.

Church money, public money.

May sense fall upon you, this I pray.

Myer:


Can you share any scripture where Christ preached prosperity?

Give and it shall be given until you
Luke 6v38
May Grace fall upon you
This I pray.

They'll say religion is the problem but have nothing else to replace with.

You don't believe in God, ok got u, what's next.

AmDayo:




You are the real fool.

You and your schmuck folks still castigate those that talk truth to power and care about the suffering of the Masses.
You called them ill names just because they are brave to speak against your oppressors.

Idiot.

ibedun:


This is a FOOLISH and IGNORANT statement!

The church money is public funds, just that Nigerians are incredibly stupid people.

Are you human or robot? Sorry I had to ask

Antoeni:
You are also part of Nigeria problem building churches no factories

What's about his universities?

Antoeni:
You are also part of Nigeria problem building churches no factories

Is he supposed to build factories for Nigerians? Maybe he should also build electricity power station for you. Misplaced argument.

Henrydonland:
stupid men of God,talking as if they care if Nigerians are suffering.

This oyedepo of a man is ranked among the richest pastors in the world with private jets and do on with a university that is expensive as hell.

How can a man of God be that rich.

If he wasn’t rich I wouldn’t believe his God. I only follow people with personal proofs not those explaining the truth

By the way, his ministry owns a jet not jets and the university is not the most expensive in the country

BePrepared:


Church money, public money.

May sense fall upon you, this I pray.

The church is a registered social entity soliciting money from the congregation. The congregation are members of the public!!!! Too hard for your brain to understand?

beges:

Are you human or robot? Sorry I had to ask

Irrelevant question!

Ask a sensible question and you’ll get an answer.

specialmati:
and you think that the God that called him is Poor

It's a call to serve not a call to enrichment at the expense of poor followers. When will u guys ever wake up