₦airaland Forum

Alezy:
lolz....true.

They knew GEJ's commencement of restructuring would bring some power to the south probably fetch some resource control and they pushed him off

It's a shame most of us fell for the barrages fired at GEJ.

It is now clear those barrages were not becos anyone cared about the people, they were for selfish interest.

Alezy:
this is the major problem.

In a greedy country as Nigeria, where the British also wants a part in our resources, they need a puppet to be at the helm of affairs. Reasons GEJ was pushed off. Not cos he stole, but cos they aren't gaining as much.

They are just after their gains, irrespective of who ever steals or don't.

Would you blame them, though?
Nigeria is their resource-farm.

They gat do everything to protect their national interest.

codemaniacs:
Nigeria is not defined by religion. it is defined by ethnic nations. it is harder to control Nigeria than india.

Just to be sure we are on the same page, let me ask u this simple question:
What is the easiest way to control a people by a foreigner?

codemaniacs:
you can't buy the press of people that are tribal.

Let me "walka pass."
I'm not Yoruba; so if I respond to this, it might be mistaken for ethnic bashing, and that is something I don't take pride in.

Just forget it; but know it that the FG would still be in-charge of the oil in Yoruba land, if it is too much, Shell, thru the FG, would control it.

codemaniacs:
a tribe in the north are descendants of arabs. the arabs are descendants of europeans. the europeans take bloodlines very seriously they will never turn against their bloodlines. that's one of the major reasons they will protect the f:ulanis and ensure the f:ulanis are politically strong.

Which Europeans are u even talking about (WRT bloodlines)? The ones that have fought more wars among themselves, than any other pple?

Who then is destabilizing the Middle East (home of the Arabs)?
So much for bloodlines.

An average black man is emotional, whereas, his European counterpart is business-minded, zero sentiments.

The Europeans are more into National interest; if u stand against their national interest, no matter who u're, u would be crushed.
It's as simple as that.

Alezy:
and which region is highly favoured by these British idiots?

They love the core North, who act as the loyal caretaker of their resource farm.

codemaniacs:
the Yorubas will invest in their own refinery... the b:rit aren't in Nigeria... by the time the entire SW region starts sending bad press about S:hell and puts massive pressure on S:hell they will back out the only problems are the Yorubas that will have been bribed to keep quiet.

To do bad to another person you need the person's permission either through force or manipulation. so some parts of Niger Delta is bad because some "Niger Deltans" allow it to happen.

The press?
We are talking dollars, bro.
The press would be bought over.

Money rules, bro.

codemaniacs:
that means they own india too

Nigeria didn't work towards growing bigger than other European countries and that's the major problem.

they don't own Nigeria. they may support politicians that wouldn't work in Nigeria's interest.

India!
Do they have similar issues like Nigeria?

India is predominantly a Hindu state - same value system.
Nigeria has about 50/50 christian-muslim divide - two parallel value systems.

By virtue of the above, it would be easier to control Nigeria (thanks to this sharp difference in value system) than it would be to control India, by a foreign power.

India is lucky they allowed Pakistan to leave the India subcontinent; a United India and Pakistan would have been a disaster, just like Nigeria.

codemaniacs:
you don't understand how it works.

the north will be protected by the people you call "real owners of Nigeria". that's the reason they joined north and south together. to enable the north replace the south's population or subjugate the south.

on the contrary, u don't understand the politics.
Actually, the real owners are not presently supporting the North becos they love the pple of the North; nah, they (the real owners) support the North today, becos the resources they (the real owners) need is in the Niger delta, so they (the real owners) need the North to rule u, so they can have unfettered access to the resources they (the real owners) want.

Take the crude oil to the North; the real owners would support some other group from the South, who would help them (the real owners) rule the North and give them (the real owners) unfettered access to the resources in the North.

Agboriotejoye:
Obliged as how? On what grounds are they obliged? Like I already told you, NBA which the op quoted recognises the sovereignty of states over the Niger river within their territories. So how are they obliged?

I cannot search the pic (of the law) uploaded by someone on some other thread of similar discourse.

Pple talk about placing tolls, which is something the said law frowns at, since member nations would be allowed right of way through the river; though, personally, I believe it wouldn't be as simple as that though, it would still require some diplomacy.

Anyways, there is no need for all of these, because I know the day every group in this cesspool become conscious and realise the irredeemable nature of Nigeria, not only the SE would ask to be out of this cesspit.

I believe lots of folks on this thread seem to imagine a situation where the SE would break out and would need to discuss with a Fulani-controlled government of Nigeria (without the SE), hence, would be denied an opportunity to discuss; whereas, in reality, an independent SE govt might be discussing with the govt of an independent Niger-delta.

Truth is, every ethnic group (maybe with the exception of the Fulani) would be glad to pull out of this cesspit and get some form of autonomy, but the thought of the donkey work needed to achieve that dream discourages others.

Still on, I would rather an independent landlocked SE, than this present Nigeria.

codemaniacs:
who are "the real owners of Nigeria"

even without oil in the north, through mining their lands still get messed up, they have t:er:rorism. so with oil they can be destabilized by other northerners. divide and rule will never work on the north or the south.

the North-controlled armed forces aren't the ones who tell the politicians in the Niger Delta not to boost their region.

If oil were to be in the north they would either be very developed or the suffering constant te:r:ror attacks. even without oil there's te::ro:r:ism there.

I read all you wrote, but I would just concentrate on one part - who are the real owners of Nigeria - since that is the only question u asked.

Listen, between 1884-1885 the Europeans gathered in Berlin (Germany) and partitioned Africa among themselves.
Nigeria was taken by Britain; the rest is history.

Her Britannic Majesty owns Nigeria.

Usorohtheman:
No wonder, somebody had mind to lay pipelines from Bayelsa to kaduna in the name of building a refinery.

But I bet you that the north would have benefitted more if they had oil. They are even enjoying the dividends of the oil more than the Niger deltans.

They would have resorted to using violence to get want they wanted as because their religion would have supported them unlike the major religion in niger Delta that is influencing them to be peaceful and put their hope in heaven.

Look at the Middle East, the home of that religion; what has violence benefited them?

If the North had the oil, the South controlled the Armed forces, if the North resisted, the South WOULD BE USED to annihilate them, that is the simple fact.

NGpatriot:






I've read enough ignorant rubbish already.

Such arrogance!
A faceless group, hence, everyone claims to be an authority.

Someone who can lecture u in sciences (medical, astronomy, etc), economics, history, religion, etc u just called "ignorant."
Such petulance!

Agboriotejoye:
First, I'm not necessarily against Biafra. It is foolishness to say a country that is at war with itself should not divide.
That said, you do realise that dredging river Niger is not a dream of SE alone. Baro port is existing and will benefit the north if the river is dredged. Thus you see that if Niger want it as you say, even Nigeria will join them. But Nigeria has a coastline which makes river port not a necessity. What I'm bringing to your notice is that it is not a given that you'll just jump and dredge the Niger because you feel like it.
That question about damming further buttresses my point. Countries have the right to dam their rivers without recourse to NBA or any other body. That's because they reserve total control over their portion of the river.

To ur last sentence:
Ya, they do with respect to resources including water resources for hydroelectric power; but that notwithstanding, they are also obliged to allow other member countries right of way.

oyatz:
Most black people don't have a deep grasp of the concept of 'cause and effects' and they like to blame others for their problems, hence their capacities for problems solving skills are very limited.



It's very funny seeing Nigerians who cheat in all exams from primary schools to University levels, Nigerians who embezzle Student Union dues, Nigerian lecturers who demand to sleep with their students before passing them, Nigerian clergymen who fleece their gullible followers, Nigerian traders who smuggle fake and substandard goods into this country and Nigerians who give and demand bribes daily putting on cloaks of patriotism coming online to complain about how Nigeria is not working and calling their country a zoo.



There's nothing sacrosanct about the unity of Nigeria. If we can't live as one, why not separate?

However, those who have the political power to effect this separation aren't interested in any separation.

You started by talking about "cause and effect," which is commendable, then ended (with due respect) by feigning ignorance on the concept of "cause and effect."

Those things u mentioned - bribery, cheating, etc - are like symptoms of fraudulent system.

Listen, early sociologists that worked on the nature of man, all ended up telling us that man in state of nature seems evil (I paraphrase); now in other to stop this evil in man which prompts man to live like wild animals, where survival of the fittest reigns, man decided to change his society from self-sovereignty and initiated the concept of government, surrendered his sovereignty to his government in exchange for protection
Ever since the creation of the concept of government, man has been fine-tuning it - communism, democracy, socialism, etc - to make sure the government does not abuse its power, but only uses that power for public good

Why am I telling u this long story?
I want u to realise that every man (irrespective of colour) is selfish and evil in nature;
It is the duty of the government to curtail this selfish and evil nature of man in the society, in exchange for our individual sovereignty.

People do all sorts of wicked things in this country becos the government cares less to build a good and working society; actually, we have a faulty foundation that inhibits development and progress, ur elites are aware, but they don't care about the people; as long as ur elites freely exhibit their evil and selfishness, they are cool with the country, so why should they bother about separation?

From the USA to France to London, every time those in authority (who are supposed to curtail the evil and selfishness of folks) are found culpable of exhibiting evil and selfishness, it always leads to one thing - revolution!

Ur elites are evil and selfish; they abuse their powers and rape citizens on a daily basis; guess what? Those who should revolt defend their oppressors for petty reasons like tribalism and religion.
If u're an elite in a country where people are so miseducated that they literally defend their oppressors, would u want an end to such country or continuity?
Those are the options on the table of ur elites (oppressors).

Usorohtheman:
Christianity is killing the morale of the people. They can't fight against the maltreatment.
Just imagine what the northerners would have done if they had oil and where not taken care of.

Relax, bro.
If the oil in the Niger delta were to be in the North, trust me, the real owners of Nigeria wouldn't allow the North to control the government and especially the Armed forces, as they do today.

Shell would still drill and mess up the North, if the North resisted, they would be dealt with by fellow Nigerians, whom the real owners of Nigeria would have anointed to manage their resource-farm (Nigeria).

The same way the Niger delta is dealt with by the North-controlled armed forces whenever they resist the pollution or their land, is the same way the North would have been dealt with by (say) the South-controlled armed forces, if the oil were to be in the North.

Divide and rule, bro.

Exc2000:




the problem here is poverty, greed and stupidity

an Oil producing State shouldn't even have Fishermen as indegine... you cant see a Texas , Oklahoma or Alaska indegine/ land owning family in America or Alberta, Saskatchewan, province indigene/ residence in Canada or Abudhadi, Dubai and Sharjah Emaratis who is still a fisherman in 2020 while his state Oil is being sold for billions of dollars daily on internation crude oil markets..

Oil producing states in the world are known to house refineries , chemical producing industries, plastic and pvc factories, fertilizer plants and gas powered power plant, with plenty white collar jobs for indegenes

lets say Oil is found in my very own Ibadan, nobody.. I repeat no fucking body would have the balls to come into Oyo state to come and explore our Oil.. we go don harvest their heads use them for sacrifice... buying barren land without Oil sef, Omo Onile would extort you till there satisfied before you can start any foundation not to talk of Oil Rig

.

If by tomorrow morning, oil is discovered (in commercial quantity) in Ibadan, Shell would be there, they would drill the oil, AND NOTHING WOULD HAPPEN.

Nigeria (including Ibadan) and her resources belong to Her Britannic Majesty.
No need making wild claims becos the scenario has a zero percent chance of happening.

oyatz:
People from all parts of Nigeria wail about their conditions in different ways and for different solutions.


ALL Nigerians are parts of the problems of this country.

The most important thing is to make Nigeria work for himself/herself.

All Nigerians are not part of the problem; don't allow ur elites to blackmail u into believing such.

Your elites make the laws (including the very bad laws); they control ur economy and finance; they control ur armed forces and law enforcement agencies; they control ur education, (miseducate you and send their wards overseas for proper education).
What have they done with such powers?
They have used it to rape and divide ordinary folks.

While they are united in raping the "have-nots," the have-nots are more allegiant to their tribes and creeds instead of their class.

As long as u keep this cesspool as one, ur elites would keep raping u, while u defend them depending on their tribe and creed.

Ur elites are the problem, the miseducated folks on the street (who abuse themselves while defending the elites) are just victims.

NGpatriot:
The NBA law you people keep referring to is not a law, it's a cooperative agreement by the member states to corporate and jointly manage the River Niger, it doesn't impose any law or restriction on the member states because the member states are sovereign states, they make their own decisions per what happens to the water that runs through their countries.

Pay special attention to the red highlight and educate yourself.

The part of the rivers Niger inside our Nigeria belongs to Nigeria, there's nothing international abut it.

We are talking about laws centred on the RIGHT OF WAY, u highlighted a Wikipedia page talking about the purpose of the NBA with respect to resources of the Niger river and its management.
What is ur aim?
Are u really concerned about the plight of an independent SE?
OR
Are u just doing this to troll?

I suppose u're a young man, instead of spending ur time surfing the net, looking for materials that would serve as psychological obstacle to the people of the SE, why don't u channel that energy towards asking for a workable society.

oyatz:
I am correcting the wrong information which the analogy of ships passing through Benin Republic to Lagos tried to portray.

I am not against the Southeast using any water bodies they like and indeed nobody will stop them, they will just have to to pay littoral Countries that have direct coastal lines.




However, in my personal view, Nigeria is not going to disintegrate because the political leaders that can make it disintegrate are not interested in disintegration.

Online e-warrior have no say in such political decisions.

Ya, online e-warriors (as you called them) would find it difficult to get what they deserve becos a lot of ordinary folks in Nigeria are not intelligent; a lot of folks don't even realise Nigeria is a backward cesspool that seems to serve only the interests of the political elites.

And then, there are some loud, petty-minded, incorrigible folks who don't care about the unworkability of their country; to these folks, the Igbos must be the worst hit, since they wail the loudest about this cesspool, hence, these petty-minded folks can't care less about their situation as long as the Igbos wail.

Agboriotejoye:
You don't get it do you? Look at Niger for example. They rely on Nigeria and Benin republic for access to the sea. Would they not have simply dredged the river up to the delta and escape from dependence on these countries if they have the right to do such?
As for the issue of dam, I hope you know Nigeria till today supplies Niger electricity from kainji dam as part of the agreement for them not to dam their own side of the Niger. What I'm asking is why didn't Nigeria approach NBA to ask Niger not to dam but had to go negotiate with them directly? Simple. Because Niger exercises sovereignty over its own portion of the Niger too.
The same thing applies to right of way.
NBA treaty is without prejudice to sovereignty of each country over its waters. It's boldly written there. The op simply overlooked it.

What do u think it would cost to dredge the River from Niger down to the Atlantic?
Can Niger afford such project?
Do they have alternative?
Is the alternative serving them?
You don't embark on projects for the sake of just carrying out a project.

If the SE was independent, and they could strike a GOOD deal with the government of an independent Niger-delta, I don't think the SE would bother much on the alternative use of the Niger river (route to the Atlantic) or that of Obuaku.

As for ur persistent use of the dam scenario, I keep asking u, is there any law(s) that forbids countries from damming it?
I understand the right of way would not be as simple as folks from the SE portray it, but it is also not as difficult as anti-freedom folks try to paint it; diplomacy would be key, but at the end, the SE shall prevail.

Listen, hundreds of years ago, petulant Turks (like most anti-freedom folks on this thread) tried to stop the Europeans from using the silk and spice route to India; what happened next? The Europeans discovered the sea route.
Necessity has always been the mother of invention.

Instead of trying ur best to discourage the SE from an idea as noble as freedom by creating unnecessary hurdles and psychological obstacles, why not channel those energy into fixing Nigeria; or is Nigeria inhabitable for humans 60yrs after independence?

Is it not a shame that the only folks conscious enough to understand the stagnancy and backwardness of Nigeria are the people others are throwing spanners to their wheel, instead of waking up and asking for a better society, whether as a united Nigeria (which seems impossible) or as independent micro-states.

oyatz:
You are comparing oranges with Banana.


A ship sailing to Lagos doesn't pass through territories of Republic of Benin.

Ya, you can erect a wall across the River Niger; the SE must not be allowed access to the Atlantic, lest I forget, u also own the Atlantic, afterall, it would be ur own territory of the Atlantic the SE would be entering.
Are u satisfied now?

It still would not deter the SE from demanding for freedom, it is a noble thing to do.

oyatz:
You are comparing oranges with Banana.


A ship sailing to Lagos doesn't pass through territories of Republic of Benin.

OK..

NGpatriot:
Anybody of water especially river water that runs through your country is your river, it's under your control and management.

The river in your village is an international waterway also?

What is wrong with you ipobs?

A lot of folks here have posted proofs designating the River Niger as an international waterway; they went further to post laws guiding the said river, yet some of u petulant folks are being unnecessarily incorrigible; what is actually wrong with you?

Agboriotejoye:
Dats not true. Why has Niger or Mali not used it to transport goods since "nobody get am". Even the Atlantic ocean you talked about, there's a portion of it that belongs to the country closest to it.
If it's international waterway, why did Nigeria build Niger bridge on it and is building another one. Or did they take permission from the international maritime authority before building those bridges? Again, why did we have to enter into a plea with Niger when we wanted to build Niger dam when we could have just approached the international authority to stop Niger from damming their own part of the river. Lastly, why is river Niger under the control of NIWA if it's international waters?

There are other factors to be considered before one takes decisions.
Niger or Mali may not be using the route becos they have other alternative that is cheaper and more convenient; both countries lie very far from the Atlantic and would need to traverse THOUSANDS OF KILOMETERS if they decided to use the route, compared to the SE that would get to the Atlantic after covering less than 100km.

As for building a dam on ur part of the said river, there is no known law that forbids one from doing that, is there?
I'm more concerned about the right of way to use the River, which is what the law is specific about.

Gazzy88:
E pain you to know that ipob are terrorists.

Even a cursory look at our discussion would show only one person is pained; only pains could make supposed adults freaking act as kids.
U come to me as a petty-minded fellow, no wonder u derive joy from tribalistic utterances; only u have mentioned Igbo this, IPOB that; I would be a fool to bash ur ethnic group instead of addressing ur petulant ass.

I don't expect u to understand though, becos u're an incorrigible lot who enjoys the smell of his own fart.

NGpatriot:
These non binding regional rubbish doesn't supercede national and sovereign interests.

No law or entity can force any sovereign nation to open or close their border or waterways to foreign countries.

U seem not to get it.
Let me use pidgin:
Nobody get River Niger, no be any country own.
Just as Benin Republic cannot stop ship traversing the Atlantic Ocean to Lagos; or Nigeria stopping ships going to Cameroon.

River Niger is an INTERNATIONAL WATERWAY!

Gazzy88:
You're deluded. I think I know that bastard threatening me. Not everyone can be crazy like you, creating many names to constitute nuisance online. I'm not that jobless, get that into your compressed skull.

U know him, yet u brought it to Nairaland, all for what?
To massage ur ego that u're so important that IPOB had to threaten you?

You must really love the smell of ur own fart.

BabaRamota1980:
Oga, when it comes to River Niger, you are sorrounded by Yoruba. No escape for you.

For ur mind u just contributed to the discourse o!
What u said is OUT OF POINT; please go and learn basic Geography before u expose ur ignorance here.
Wetin concern SE, concern Kwara?

Gazzy88:
I was on Suzan page reading her post when some random igbos started raining abuses on her which some of us responded including some hausas, defending the lady and asking those igbos to either stop abusing her or leave her page. Out of nowhere, one guy with no details, no profile pics, nothing about him started threatening me and my family. I never knew those people could be as bitter as that when they can't even take quarter of what they do to others. Below is screenshots of his threats and I need advise to what I can do before I take decisive steps.

Ipob Rule is his name

My candid opinion:
I think u are the owner of that "IPOB RULE" account; u used it to threaten urself, so that u can rush to nairaland to gloat, just as u're doing now.

Some of u must really love the smell of ur own fart.

Christistruth00:
W.U Bassey had helped to resist the Coup and 2 Igbo Officers to 4 Eastern Minority Officers being passed over for Ojukwu to emerge as Governor of the Eastern Region was pure discrimination and the Eastern minorities resented it. Remember Gen Ironsi (Bassey's Junior ) was already Head of Army and later Head of State after Zik and NCNC had played ludo with W.U Bassey's 30 year Army Career.

This one is incorrigible.
U project trivial insinuations as fact, trying ur best to over-repeat it, believing the over repetition would somehow make it the truth.

Bassey was not overtaken by only Ironsi; others after Ironsi also overtook him.
Ya, Zik held him down, so that the whole of Nigeria would overtake him; he must have raped Zik's mother for Zik to have been this wicked to him.

SIONKPO1:
At times we just should apologise and move on
I think zik played ethnic politics by ensuring that Ironsi and Ojukwu were promoted and Bassey's promotion was delayed

Could you please tell us HOW Zik did this?
Like, give us times when Zik played this ethnic politics against Bassey.