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true2god: Hi Ijawman dis is a default and rehearse\memorized JW response to the question of the Holy Spirit. The metaphorical concept\active force concept is not biblical. When Jesus said he will send another in the person of the Holy Spirit he made it very clear HE is a person who will teach, comfort, remind, and equip d believers. Jesus said the comforter can only come after he has left.

'...baptising them in the name of the father (God almighty, a living being), and of the Son (Jesus, a living being) and of the Holy Spirit (the comforter, a living being).

Stop using\quoting scriptures out of context to defend falsehood.

Hw's ur service yr?

tobechi20: replace Mary with Jesus.

If i stand in front of Jesus statue and ask JESUS TO PRAY 4 ME, who am i worshiping

ijawkid: Because the bed is where the person sleeps.............

Beds are made for sleeping and not relics or objects of devotion...

I can't believe you are asking this mumu foolish questions......

I have asked you to compare your pattern of prayer to that of Jesus,...that simple experiment would show who you are really worshipping or praying to..........

Can you just do that??

italo: So it is who you are addressing your prayer to that you worship, right thank you.

If I stand in front of a Pastor and ask him to pray for me to Jesus, who am i worshiping?

If I stand in my room and ask Mary to pray for me to Jesus, who am I worshiping?

If I stand in front of a Marian statue and ask Mary to pray for me to Jesus, who am I worshiping?

ijawkid: .....you no well...I had wanted to refer you to previous threads on this particular discuss....you think typing much on nairaland is that easy......

alexleo: Holy Spirit cannot just be a force rather i believe he can come in various forms. At one point like a rushing mighty wind, at another point like a dove and may be like cloven tongues like as of fire etc. The bible said that He will guide us into all truth. It did not say that it will guide us into all truth.

ijawkid: Ok let's begin..

It is good to note that the correct identification of the holy spirit must fit all the scriptures that refer to the spirit.....with this view point I would want you to consider all scriptural points to find out if your stance is perfectly correct..

It is right that the scriptures says the holy spirit would teach,bear witness,speak and hear....but from the scriptures it is not unusual for something impersonal or an abstract entity to be personified...

For example...

Sin and death are spoken of as being kings..romans 5:21.

While some texts say that the holy spirit spoke other passages make clear that this was done through angels or humans..acts 4:24,24..28:25,,...matthew 10:19,20...

At 1 john 5:7-8 both the spirit,water and blood are said to be witness bearers.....I can't wake up one day and assume blood and water are also persons......

Let's see some interesting fact about the holy spirit that I expect you to consider...

Matthew 3:11...
New International Version
(©2011)
"I baptize you with water for
repentance. But after me comes
one who is more powerful than I,
whose sandals I am not worthy to
carry. He will baptize you with the
Holy Spirit and fire.
____________________________

How can one be annointed with or be baptized with a person??...start thinking about this my bro.....
I expect you to give a rebuttal.....

Let's also read acts 10:38

New Living Translation (©2007)
And you know that God anointed
Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy
Spirit and with power. Then Jesus
went around doing good and healing
all who were oppressed by the
devil, for God was with him.

Jesus and all other of his apostles were annointed with a person..I believe that sounds right??...No??..

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Again let's approach things from this angle....
The holy scriptures tell us the personal name of God the Father,..it informs us of that of the son which is Jesus Christ....what Is the name of the holy spirit??....there is not one spirit creature who does not have a name.....what is the name of the holy spirit??....

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Also reports or visions in heaven always shows Yahweh and his son sitting by his right hand....stephen got a glimpse of that vision and say 2 persons(acts 7:55-56).....John saw the same....david saw the same..daniel too...

Acts 7:55-56
New King James Version (NKJV)
55 But he, being full of the Holy Spirit, gazed
into heaven and saw the glory of God, and
Jesus standing at the right hand of God,
56 and said, “Look! I see the heavens opened
and the Son of Man standing at the right hand
of God!”


Revelations 7:10 says the same....

My question is where is the holy spirit in all of this arrangement....why don't we read visions of the holy spirit sitting at the left hand of God just as Jesus is sitting at the right....??.....at least we should be seeing 3 Gods .......where is the holy spirit when ever these visions are given to servants of God...I hope you took note that stephen was filled with the holy spirit.....??.....

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Lastly let me quote 1 corinthians 11:3

GOD'S WORD® Translation
(©1995)
However, I want you to realize
that Christ has authority over
every man, a husband has authority
over his wife, and God has
authority over Christ.


Where do we fix the holy spirit in this arrangement??.....


With more scriptures it would be consistent to say the holy spirit is not a person seperate from God but that powerful force that God causes to emanate from himself to accomplish his holy will.......

Pygru: Holy Spirit

They deny the personality of the holy spirit Just to rubbish the Trinity.

bolaino: I had to comment on this thread, @goshen360, I respect u as an individual and as somebody who teaches well, but be warned do not go about teaching false doctrines to gullible christians on nairaland, lest the wrath of God fall on u,

Our lord jesus said that it's easier for heaven and earth to pass away than for one letter of the law to become invalid,luke 16 v 17, mathew 5 v 18-19, and also apostle paul told us in 2 timothy 3 v 16, that all scripture is inspired by God, so I don't see what all the fuss is about, @goshen the other day you said sex between two unmarried people who are engaged is not a sin, now u have come again, pls be careful of what u teach, cos on the last day heretics would be thrown into the lake of fire,

frosbel: One Question.

The Bible says GOD is a Spirit.

If the Holy Spirit is another Spirit, does this mean GOD has 2 Spirits.

In other words should the Bible not read, according to your logic, GOD is Spirits and not Spirit ?

obadiah777: YOU ARE LIVING IN A HISTORIC PERIOD OF HUMAN HISTORY. WHY ? YOU ARE LIVING IN AN ERA WHERE YOU WOULD SEE THE DESTRUCTION OF THE GREAT HARLOT WHO HATH CORRUPTED THE WORLD WITH THE FRUIT OF HER FORNICATION, WITH HER EPHAH OF WICKEDNESS, SHE HATH SMOTE THE NATIONS WITH WRATH IN ANGER AND HATH LADEN HERSELF WITH MUCH CLAY ( DEBT ). NOW THE WEAK ARE GETTING STRONGER AND ARE CONVERTING THEIR PLOUGHSHARES INTO SWORDS. MY FRIEND PYGRU, WITH YOUR BELLIGERENT EYES WOULD YOU SEE THE DESTRUCTION OF THE WICKED.

A YEAR AT MOST BUT AN EMPHATIC STATEMENT WOULD BE, THERE WOULD BE NO SUCH THING AS AMERICA OR AMERICANS BY 2016 <<< EMPHATIC STATEMENT.

obadiah777: YOU DAYUM RIGHT. EVERY BODY KNOW AM FOR SOUND DOCTRINE USED TO CONVINCE THE GAINSAYERS AND SCOFFERS AND NATURAL BRUTE BEAST REPROBATES

If the Holy Spirit is simply a force then...
Why dem call am God ( Acts 5:3-5 )?
Acts 5:3-5
New International Version (NIV)
3 Then Peter said, “Ananias, how is it that Satan has so filled your heart that you have lied to the Holy Spirit and have kept for yourself some of the money you received for the land?
4 Didn’t it belong to you before it was sold? And after it was sold, wasn’t the money at your disposal? What made you think of doing such a thing? You have not lied just to human beings but to God.”
5 When Ananias heard this, he fell down and died. And great fear seized all who heard what had happened.

How him take be teacher ( John 14:26 )?
King James Version (KJV)
26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you

How you fit Blasphame am ( Matt. 12:31 , 32 )?
Matthew 12:31-32
King James Version (KJV)
31 Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.
32 And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world tocome

Comforter ( Acts9:31 )?
Acts 9:31
King James Version (KJV)
31 Then had the churches rest throughout all Judaea and Galilee and Samaria, and were edified; and walking in the fear of the Lord, and in the comfort of the Holy Ghost, were multiplied.

How come he fit Talk ( Acts 28:25 )?
Acts 28:25
King James Version (KJV)
25 And when they agreed not among themselves, they departed, after that Paul had spoken one word, Well spake the Holy Ghost by Esaias the prophet unto our fathers

How come you fit resist am ( Acts 7:51 )?
Acts 7:51
King James Version (KJV)
51 Ye stiffnecked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers did, so do ye

How can a force be grieved ( Eph. 4:30 )?
Ephesians 4:30
King James Version (KJV)
30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption

How he fit help Us when we weak ( Rom. 8:26 )?
Romans 8:26
King James Version (KJV)
26 Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.

If you still insist that He is a Force, then how is He able to exhibit those Xteristics?

Does a Force speak, teach and comfort

How can a Force be blasphamed

goshap: then in all ur almighty wisdom and knowledge,where u dump obadiah777 ,the most obvious of all.

goshap: then in all ur almighty wisdom and knowledge,where u dump obadiah777 ,the most obvious of all.

honey001: Their conscience is judging them...... u better repent. I can now add u to the list of those to be praying for now......

ifeness: Not knowing your yourself are a false teacher. Teach people how to think and not what to think. Jesus my foot!

goshap: give names,scare crow!,how the u want people that dont know the so called original truth,to even know who to stay away from. Beside no need oppening this trend and warning if u dont av evidence and stuff.
Even for nairaland,person dey fear man like'em.

ijawkid: I hope you would be ready to agree that mary is the mother of the holy spirit??.......


Are you ready??

truthislight: lol. ^
Dude!

ijawkid: U sure say you be trinitarian??....

Pygru: I will not fall for you trap
you should be able to deduce my stance on trinity from my previous posts

ijawkid: You want make we start with holy spirit first??......

Eh??......I really want to know if you believe in the trinity....I just can't tell where you stand...........

Pygru: Holy Spirit
They deny the personality of the holy spirit Just to rubbish the Trinity.
How can you say the Holy Spirit is an active force like radar
If the Holy Spirit is simply a force then...
Why dem call am God ( Acts 5:3-5 )?

How him take be teacher ( John 14:26 )?

How you fit Blasphame am ( Matt. 12:31 , 32 )?

Comforter ( Acts9:31 )?

How come he fit Talk ( Acts 28:25 )?

How come you fit resist am ( Acts 7:51 )?

How can a force be grieved ( Eph. 4:30 )?

How he fit help Us when we weak ( Rom. 8:26 )?

If you still insist that He is a Force, then how is He able to exhibit those Xteristics?

Does a Force speak, teach and comfort

How can a Force be blasphamed

frosbel: Just a joke on you

frosbel: https://www.nairaland.com/1246205/pygru-moves-religion-section


@ ALL,

Please read link above and you will understand where our brother Pygru is coming from

ApostlePat: that guy is also guilty of what he accusees people of.he thinks because his pastors preacg same tin makes it right.allow him to keep pointing fingers while he cannot defend what he says.

ijawkid: as iI can see u aint ready to discuss these issues one at a time....you just want to keep yapping till thy kingdom come.....

can we start with the trinity first?....