₦airaland Forum

dougivilla: Tinubu, the JIN (Judas Isscariot of Nigeria) is a year older today. HBD to him. We join Atiku, Ribadu and all that have suffered from his two sidedness to pray that the older he gets, the lesser of a betrayer he becomes. So help him God!

eGuerrilla: @Pygru goes kamikaze doing what s/he does best - opening old and long forgotten threads

Do or die affair, eh?

rasputinn: Mr Atiku has fallen politically a long time ago,good to see him falling physically also though
It remains Mr Babangida who I need to see fall and break that his half leg

desgiezd: And this is a man who wants to be our president, TUFIAKWA!!

Conclusion
Our humble contribution contained in the text of this Press Conference should not he miss-understood. Our major concern is to draw public attention to the urgent need for a SNC. Our viewpoints here are mere suggestions rather than a rigid and unchangeable blueprint. Though some other forces equally make demands for SNC, none has given thought to the practical way of setting it in motion and explaining the relationship to the existing power structure.
We hope that the ideas in this publication willspur the relevant organs of Government to take necessary action if they are genuinely interested in taking Nigeria forward positively in the interest of the masses. Public officials who are committed to the principles of democracy, justice and freedoms for our people should not feel threatened by the convocation of the SNC. It is either we allow the SNC to peacefully save Nigeria or Nigeria may be no more on the long run. Though the initiative to convoke the SNC has been placed on the shoulders of the existing government, organisations of the civil society have a responsibility. The ruling classes hardly take an action in the interest of the larger society without the pressure of the masses from below. We therefore hope that this publication will motivate other organisations in the civil society to intensify the pressure for the convocation of the SNC.”
March 22 2002

Economic Restructuring
It is perhaps imperative to stress that contrary to the conception of some new organizations and individuals who have just woken up to appreciate the necessity of the SNC, the work of the SNC should not be limited to political restructuring based on ethnic factors. A key concern of the SNC is economic restructuring.
The SNC should discuss and resolve the character and nature of the economic system that can ensure sustained improvement in the material lives of the ordinary people. The SNC should be concerned with establishing an economic system that will guarantee economic rights of Nigerians, whether rich orpoor.
The ordinary people must enjoy the right to work or unemployment allowance in the absence of jobs, cost-free housing, education,health, water, electricity, etc. In a restructuredpolity, access to social services by the masses should he regarded as fundamental rights. Anobligation ought to be imposed on all levels of government to provide social services suchthat citizens constitutionally, legally and politically can challenge the government in the event of non-provision. If the provision ofsocial services is made to the the constitutional responsibility of all tiers of government, then national resources will be utilized meaningfully in the interest of the larger society. Accountability of government to the people will equally be promoted because governance will acquire a focused and definitive character. When a government has so many constitutional responsibilities and the people are aware of their constitutional rights and are prepared to fight for them legally and politically, looting, stealing, misappropriation of public resources will be minimized if not eliminated.

Relationship of Sovereign National Conference To The PresentConstitutional Dispensation
The Sovereign National Conference is not to govern the country. It is to find solutions to the problems of the country. It will therefore not interfere with the governance of the country at the Federal level, in the States and at the Local Governments. Those to govern the country have been elected in 1998/1999 to do so for 4 years and their tenure will end in the year 2003.
Those elected on December 5, 1998 to the Local Governments, on January 9, 1999, to theStates and on February 13 and 27 to the centre are now functioning within the confines of a fundamentally defective constitutional arrangement, which was madeon the 5th of May 1999 after their elections. Since the military- imposed 1999 Constitutionis fundamentally defective and is incapable of satisfying the aspirations of the people, there is a need for a democratically drawn up Constitution through the SNC. The existing Constitution has proved incapable of containing national chaos and steady decline into catastrophic and bloody disintegration inwhich the teeming poor masses will bear the brunt while the rich many of whom have looted public treasury will find succour and solace in foreign countries. It would be foolhardy to want to protect such a Constitution. It is in the interest of democracy,in order to avert the impending disaster that a new Constitution be drawn up through a mass participatory process.

Composition of Sovereign National Conference
(a) We must use what we have to achieve what we want. By virtue of section 3(6) of the 1999 Constitution, there are seven hundred and seventy four (774) local governments in Nigeria. Each local government area will elect a member into theSovereign National Conference. But such election must not be on party basis.
(b) There are important interest groups which cannot be involved in the election at local government level but whose views couldbe of paramount importance in the resolution of grievances that could come before the Conference. These groups include: The Judiciary, the Army, the Navy, the Airforce,the Police, the Customs, the Prisons, the Immigration, interest groups, professional and trade associations such as those of Teachers at all levels of educational system; Lawyers; Medical Doctors; Pharmacists; Nurses; Engineers; Sociologists; Political Scientists; Administrators; Secretaries; Accountants; Bankers; Architects; Quantity Surveyors; Journalists; Students; Farmers; Market women and petty traders; Artisans; Organized Labour; Employers; Chambers of Commerce and Industry; Women; Religious bodies including Christians, Moslems and Traditional worshippers; Civil Servants at local,state and Federal levels; Human Rights Community and pro-democracy organizations; Ethnic organizations fighting for self-determination; and Traditional Rulers,etc. Each of these groups will in its respective organization elect representatives to the Sovereign National Conference based on its numerical strength. The modalities for doing this can be easily worked out by the Sovereign National Conference Planning Committee.
SNC Not just An Assembly of Nationalities
The import of the recommended compositionof the SNC above is that the SNC should not beconceived solely as an assembly of nationalities. Multiple nationality is just one ofthe realities of Nigeria as a plural society. Other realities of Nigeria such as religious differences, social stratification, gender subjugation, professional and economic interests must also be considered.

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A Call For Genuine Sovereign National Conference, An Alternative to Chaos, Catastrophe and Disintegration, which is stated as follow;

“The root cause of our national tragedies is the fundamental defects thathave always afflicted the process of determining every constitutional frame-work of the polity. Our constitutional arrangements since 1914 to date (2000) have never truly reflected the political, economic, social, cultural and religious realities of the country.

Above all, the people of the country have never had the opportunity to make inputs into, accept or reject any constitutional frame-work through a referendum. Consequently, the masses of our people have always been treated as aliens in all constitutional processes from 1914 to 1999 as all constitutional flame-works have always been imposed on them whether or not they like them.nprincipled policies of governments,loss of moral sensitivity.

SNC As Solution to Grievances

There are so many grievances and accusations against Nigeria and by Nigerians which the Sovereign National Conference must consider and resolve with the sole objective of designing a new Constitution (the Peoples’ Constitution) for the country which will cast into extinction all the evil tendencies which have conspired to make Nigeria’ a virtual ‘ghost’ country, deeply and invidiously polarised in all directions since 1914 to date and more seriously since January 15, 1966. We must pull Nigeria back from the brink and from the precipice with a Constitution made democratically by Nigerians through the SNC and affirmed in a referendum by Nigerians. The alternative to this path of sanity is to continue disastrously to pretend that pious political preaching, posturing and exhortations and the use of governmental power of brute force will contain the mounting crises. They will not. It is time to call a spade a spade and face the reality of our fate squarely, sincerely and courageously, so as to prevent a disintegration of the country.
The Sovereign National Conference being advocated is to rebuild this single sovereign nation from its collapsing foundation, not to tear the country into several sovereign nations. If we don’t, I shudder to think of the catastrophic consequences to the very existence of the country and its horrible effects on the black race, Black Africa and the world at large.
Let us move away from the brink. The answer is the Sovereign National Conference. We must prevent the experiences of Rwanda, Burundi, Srilanka, Somalia, Sierra Leone, Liberia, Kosovo, Croatia and Bosnia from happening in Nigeria.

The only opportunity we have to do this is the convocation of a Sovereign National Conference. We need to talk, talk and talk ourselves to true peace, genuine justice and appropriate peoples’ Constitution in which all Nigerians will find a fulfilment of their hopes and aspirations and unshaken guarantee of peace, stability and prosperity.

chic2pimp: My GOD continue to bless the lot of you and reward you abundantly In Jesus Name. Amen

Tolexander: Where is the picture of Pastor Biodun Fatoyinbo and Ese Walter?

Pastor Tunde bakare and wife
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Pastor Kumuyi and Esther.
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Pastor Chris and Anita Oyakhilome
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Olukoya and wife
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Sam Amaga and wife
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Pastor Adefarasin and wife
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Pastor T.b Joshua and wife
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Pastor Ayo Oritsejafor and wife
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Oyedepo and wife
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Biodun Fatoyinbo and wife
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Pastor Adeboye and wife
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Absolution: It's interesting how a 'call to hug a transformer' has been interpreted on here as 'an error' and a 'mistake'

Why are my comments not being accorded the same status?

How can 'Hug a transformer' be seen as an error but yet not taken as literal advice to kill one's self? Especially when the perpetrator went to great means to hid evidence of her 'error'?

Shekson: I am totally I̶̲̥̅̊n̶̲̥̅̊ support of abortion I̶̲̥̅̊n̶̲̥̅̊ early weeks of pregnancy. A foetus isn't an human being.
And for God's sake we have had incidences of women giving birth and dropping babies at hospitals and religious institutions cos they couldn't take care of dem.
I saw a family of four kids with their mum after their dad ran away. These kids can't afford to buy ordinary bathing soap. They sleep I̶̲̥̅̊n̶̲̥̅̊ a shop. If their poverty strucken mum had aborted at least two, then the oda two can have the little luxury of living on the available manageable resources. The burden becomes shifted on govt. Public schools are being flooded. Hau much can the govt afford on free quality education on exploding population of these kids?
Government daily preaches family planning. Religious institutions are meant to be preaching this but they don't.
I believe so much in legalizing abortion!!!

chukwudi44: is it your church doctrine or personalview?

chukwudi44: I justv wanted to know if abortion is alowed on the doctrine of most protestant churches or is it just that these nairalanders just took the position just to spite the catholic church.

Enigma: I have deliberately chosen not to get involved in this thread.

However, just because frosbel has been hounding me on various other threads about it and even directing jibes at me let me point a couple of things out. {EDIT I see he even called me a "coward" on this thread. }

As ever, the questions in the opening post are of course not frosbel's questions as anyone who knows him should know. See the questions as lifted word for word from this site http://www.faithworksministries.org/user/pentecostal/biblicalstudies/questionstrinity.htm



In any event of course, the questions have been addressed on various threads on this Nairaland.

Above all, this same frosbel keeps opening thread after thread on the same topic --- usually with copy and paste material that he does not even understand and has not even thought about carefully. Critically, once he is cornered he will run away or pretend not to see the question that has stumped him or "promise" to give an answer later but never return to the point.

There are several examples but here just one.

https://www.nairaland.com/1067552/proposition-theological-debate/5#12466216

Here, he said the Holy Spirit is "personal" and IS GOD but Jesus is only a mere man; he was then asked how Jesus, a mere man, has now gone to heaven and from there sent GOD to earth (a mere man is sending God); and how the Holy Spirit is "personal". He has since fled and now opened this thread!

Enigma: You are a shameless fraud and a quite confused and intellectually bereft person.

Let me show you an example of how daft you can be:

You wrote only two days ago that (a) "there is something very personal about the Holy Spirit" and (b) that the Holy Spirit "IS GOD". https://www.nairaland.com/1067552/proposition-theological-debate/4#12464784

Yet you are unable to see that you are contradicting yourself when copying and pasting your second set of questions from any Johnny or mumu on the Internet ----- without even thinking about what you are copying and pasting as below.

Enigma: You really have no shame. The questions you were asked on your own thread are still pending after several months and your worthless promise to answer it later in the evening saying "Okay , I promise to respond late this evening. Trust me I am not like those dodgers who refuse to answer questions, and I do not mean you"

And of course when you could not answer the question, you logged in fraudulently under your other username of "tidytim" to give yourself an impression of support.

And you call yourself a "Christian"!

Total disgrace! No wonder even non-Christians were making fun of your fraud with the tidytim moniker on other threads.

Pathetic.