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MaxInDHouse:
YES!

I believe your Quran was fabricated by people who don't know the history of the Israelites but wanted to attach themselves where they do not belong.

Anything that make you sleep at night..

MaxInDHouse:
Usual attitude whenever you're corrected after saying you don't know why the writers of your Quran called Mary the sister of Aaron!

Lol

Guy I can't help you further. Believe whatever you want to believe.

Even if I say I don't know why she was called Sister of Aaron, What you can not say is that the author believed She was sister of Moses and Aaron except if you are a dishonest person.

The Qur'an verses I quoted indicates the author is very much aware there are lots of Prophet in-between Moses and Jesus. But if you want to disregard that and believe the author confused both Marys. You are welcome to believe whatever you want to believe.

MaxInDHouse:
And i'm telling you why:

Muhammad was never inspired he was doing cut and join regarding what he heard from the religion of Khadijat his sugar mummy.

So if you don't know something there's no need trying to defend it jọọ.

Don't worry

You can believe whatever you want to believe.

I can not have a discussion with a dimwit.

MaxInDHouse:
As your imams twisted it after finding out that there is no way Aaron could be Mary's or Elizabeth's brother.
Please everyone can read the Quran it's what's written we want to talk about not how your imams twisted it to suit their lies!

Here is it again:

So all the verses I quoted about how there are prophets in between Moses and Jesus flew over your head? I know a dishonest fellow when I see one.

You can believe whatever you want to believe.

Agenda must agend.

MaxInDHouse:
This is what is found written in your Quran:

"Oh sister of Aaron, your father was not a man of evil nor was your mother unchaste" Quran 19:28

Anyone with a common sense that have read the Qur'an as a whole would know the author was not claiming Mary the mother Jesus was a sister of Aaron in the literal sense.
I will understand if this is coming from someone that have been a Christian all his/her life that just read Qur'an 19:28 in isolation, but coming from an exmuslim is what I don't understand, so It is either you were an ignorant Muslim or you are just a dishonest JW.

Here are verses that suggests there are gaps between Moses and Jesus, and Moses and Aaron could not have been Jesus uncles

Q5:44
Indeed, We revealed the Torah, containing guidance and light, by which the PROPHETS, who submitted themselves to Allah, made judgments for Jews. So too did the rabbis and scholars judge according to Allah’s Book, with which they were entrusted and of which they were made keepers. So do not fear the people; fear Me! Nor trade my revelations for a fleeting gain. And those who do not judge by what Allah has revealed are ˹truly˺ the disbelievers

Q5:46
Then in the footsteps of the PROPHETS, We sent Jesus, son of Mary, confirming the Torah revealed BEFORE him. And We gave him the Gospel containing guidance and light and confirming what was revealed in the Torah—a guide and a lesson to the God-fearing.

Q2:87
Indeed, We gave Moses the Book and sent AFTER him SUCCESSIVE MESSENGERS. And We gave Jesus, son of Mary, clear proofs and supported him with the holy spirit. Why is it that every time a messenger comes to you with something you do not like, you become arrogant, rejecting some and killing others?

It is very clear the author believe Torah was revealed to Moses and tons of prophets, Rabbis, Judges used the same torah before Jesus was given the Injeel. Do you know how many Jewish prophets are mention in the Qur'an? To now conclude the author thought Moses was an uncle of Jesus is a conclusion I can't comprehend.

When they saw her with a baby in her arms and she was unmarried , The term "sister of Aaron" was used there to draw her attention to the piety and righteousness she should have and the piety and righteousness of her parents.

Why they called her "sister of Aaron" is something I honestly don't know. The author of Qur'an made it known that Mary used to work in the temple as a consecrated virgin, performing tasks such as weaving, sewing and the likes. It is possible the term was just a title for virgins working in the temple at the time, I really don't know. But what I know is that the author did not believe Moses and Aaron were Jesus uncles.

MaxInDHouse:
According to Luke Elizabeth and Zechariah are both from the tribe of Levi so they were both descendants of Aaron the brother of Moses both descendants of Levi.

So your prophet lied Aaron was not the brother of Elizabeth, Mary or anyhow you guys wish to twist it but he is the ancestor of Zechariah and Elizabeth!

You can apply common sense to know that Luke referring to Elizabeth as of the daughters of Aaron does not mean she was a literal daughter of Aaron but applying same common sense to the Qur'an text is where you draw the line.

MaxInDHouse:
As for Khadijat history has it that she was Catholic!

Which history has it that Khadijah was a Catholic? The one concocted in your kingdom hall?

Amorin don dey collect front and back.

Man U downfall...Things I love to see...

MaxInDHouse:
Where is Elizabeth found in your Quran?

Ọmọ your prophet can't know the history of Jews who lived more than 600 years before his birth so if you're pitying him to make him your prophet i don't accept someone a prophet out of pity.


Khadijat was a Catholic who used to travel to Rome and other trade centers!

Elizabeth is referenced in the Qur'an as the wife of Zacharia, the mother of John though not mentioned by name. You should know that as an exmuslim. Except if you were an ignorant Muslim that knew close to nothing about the Deen.

My question is do you think Elizabeth was Moses niece when Luke or whosoever wrote the gospel of Luke called her daughter of Aaron? I don't know why you are evading the question.

Why not bring evidence that Khadijah was a Catholic that used to travel to Rome. Or you are just going to continue pulling claims out of ur ass?

I can see you have revert back to using your fake smiling emoji. Awon fake peace loving people.

MaxInDHouse:
Continue deceiving yourself!

Your Arab man can't know the history of Jews who lived more than 600 years before his birth so he surely heard Catholics when talking about what is written in the Bible because his sugar mummy Khadijat was a Catholic and he was one of her boy boy escorting the wealthy woman before he was taken by the woman who wanted young blood!

Is this route you want to take? Disparaging my prophet? Is that the kind of manners they teach you in your God forsaken kingdoms?

Bring the evidence that Khadijah was a Catholic, and the Catholic church taught out Prophet what he knew of the Jewish history.

Can you now answer the question

Do you think Luke made a mistake calling Elizabeth daughter of Aaron?

MaxInDHouse:
Who else bears Aaron in the Bible nah?

Your Muhammad kept fabricating stories from what he heard in the Catholic Church that's why you people now think your Quran is authentic shey?

I beg who is Aaron in your Quran?

Lol

So our Prophet was a member of Catholic Church? Tell me more.

Aaron was the brother of Moses in the Qur'an.


In Luke 1:5 where Elizabeth was said to be daughter of Aaron. Do you take that as Elizabeth being niece of Moses?

MaxInDHouse:
Is it not what your imam says that will address who the Aaron is?

From the Bible Aaron is the brother of Moses so it doesn't add up!

Let's leave Imams out of this for now.

Do you think the author was confusing both Marys?

And was that your take when you were a Muslim?

MaxInDHouse:
Quote your Quran!

Q 19:27
Then she returned to her people, carrying him. They said ˹in shock˺, “O Mary! You have certainly done a horrible thing!

19:28
O sister of Aaron! Your father was not an indecent man, nor was your mother unchaste.”

Are you telling us the author here was confusing Mary mother of Jesus with Mary the sister of Moses and Aaron?

And that was your take when you were a Muslim?

MaxInDHouse:
Quote it out let everyone see what your Quran says about Moses, Aaron and Mary the mother of Jesus!

Are you telling us the author of the Qur'an thought both Moses and Aaron were uncles of Jesus?

I'm not expecting this argument from an exmuslim.

Corner is now the new PK

COYG!!!

SIRTee15:
I asked U b4 and I will asked U again. Have I heard of Didache? Who used it?

Yeah, I know it's like handbook for early Christians. What I just don't know is how it will help solve this issue of forgeries all over your new testament.

SIRTee15:
Dont disturb your head. The gospels books were not called Matthew, Luke, John or Mark in the 1st century. They were not even known as gospel until the 2nd century.
The gospels were initially called the memoir of the apostles. That was the name early Christians called them.
So stop barking at the wrong tree regarding name of gospel. Focus on the injeel.

Is this another way of saying 'Yeah all our canonised gospels are anonymously written and they are all forgeries'?

SIRTee15:
Guy I'm not interested in your verbose obviously made up fake theory. I'm not here to discuss the Christian gospel.
I'm asking U about the injeel. ALLAH CALLED THE MESSAGE GIVEN TO JESUS THE INJEEL.
THE INJEEL IS MENTIONED IN THE QURAN AND QURAN IS MEANT TO BE ETERNAL.

MY QUESTION IS CLEAR,.DONT ANSWER Question I DIDNT ASK U...

1. THE INJEEL IS WRITTEN IN WHAT LANGUAGE?

2. IF INJEEL IS NOT WRITTEN IN GREEK, THEN HOW COME THE BOOK HAS A GREEK NAME.

3. WHAT IS THE NAME ALLAH GAVE TO THE MESSAGE OF JESUS. WHAT IS THE MESSAGE OF JESUS CALLED.
WHAT DID JESUS CALL HIS MESSAGE.

EVERY MESSAGE SENT BY ALLAH HAS A NAME

ALLAH CALLED THE MESSAGE GIVEN TO MOSES THE TAWRAH
ALLAH CALLED THE MESSAGE GIVEN TO DAVID THE ZABUR
WHAT IS THE NAME OF THE MESSAGE OF JESUS AS GIVEN BY ALLAH.
WHAT DID ALLAH CALL THE MESSAGE OF JESUS
ALLAH SAID IN THE QUR'AN 'WE GAVE THE INJEEL TO PROPHET ISA'
WHY DID ALLAH ASCRIBED A GREEK NAME TO THE MESSAGE OF JESUS IF THE MESSAGE IS FOR THE JEWS?

So what if the Qur'an is Eternal word of Allah.

God is not supposed to know everything about the past present and future? I'm not even suprise, You believe in a God that admitted lacking in knowledge of all things.


Qur'an doesn't specify the language it could have been written in any language. But it was revealed to Jesus Christ in the language they would have been speaking in first century Palestine.


Why would Allah use the name Isa when the Arabic form of Yeshua should have been Yasu
Why would some Arabs around 4th century used Isa. At least there is archeological evidence that the name Isa predate Islam. If Isa predate Islam, most likely injeel too.
It is not a makeup theory, it is just common sense.

SIRTee15:
Ok are U saying the gospel circulating during the time of muhammed- 6th and 7th century period was corrupt.
I will like U to confirm above.
because I don't want U to change mouth later when I bring evidence.

What kind of question is this.

Is it not the same forgeries you have now they were using in 6-7th century?.

At least God is giving you a way out.

Q5:48
We have revealed to you this Book with the truth, as a confirmation of previous Scriptures and a supreme authority on them. So judge between them by what Allah has revealed, and do not follow their desires over the truth that has come to you. To each of you We have ordained a code of law and a way of life. If Allah had willed, He would have made you one community, but His Will is to test you with what He has given ˹each of˺ you. So compete with one another in doing good. To Allah you will all return, then He will inform you ˹of the truth˺ regarding your differences.

SIRTee15:
Muslims should stop behaving like cowards and learn to defend their prophet and their religion. If it's the truth, they should not be ashamed of it.

Muslims are so embarrassed by the way and manners their prophet died they didn't want the thread alive anymore- they want it dead.

Imagine the deception. If U are so proud of your prophet. Why are U scared of his dark side?

Calma!

Both the Qur'an verse and the Statement of the the prophet in the Hadith are Idioms.

The Qur'an verse is just an Idiomatic way of saying I will grab him by his hand and kill him on the spot if he ever try to make things up in God's name and not literal cutting of the aorta

Just like the report from Aisha, the phrase is idiomatic way of the prophet saying I am dying.

There are records of people using same idiom around the time. Except if we are going to believe everyone aorta was cutting off here and there in 7th century Arabia.

If anything, this is another proof the Qur'anic text is not the making of the Prophet. Scholars that have studied both the Qur'an and Hadith have noticed the vocabulary and linguistic style of the Qur'an is quite different from that of the Prophet. I don't know how it is easy to keep up switching vocabulary and style like that for 23 years.

SIRTee15:
I don't care about Arabic language or the many richness or meaning it has. Bocs that's lie u was to jump to.

Erudite Arabic scholars have done a good job translating the hadiths and Quran for us.
Your opinion is inconsequential!!!!

Below is your answer.

Now tell me How many meaning does aorta have in Arabic?

Ok
For the sake of this argument let's assume both words mean aorta

How does the Qur'an verse and the Hadith disprove Islam or expose our Prophet as a liar?

Before you answer the question I want you to have the following at the back of your mind

- He knew miraculously that the food was poisoned. So he did not fail the test the Jewish lady was trying to put him through.

- He lived for another four years after khaybar and continue to receive revelation up untill Islam has been perfected. So he did not Just pass away abruptly.


Q5:3.......Today I have perfected your religion for you, completed My favour upon you, and chosen Islam as your way...

-The chapter that talked about cutting off the aorta is Meccan chapter and not Medina chapter so the chapter would have been revealed at the early stage of his Prophet Hood.

Are you telling us God continue to allow him made things up in his name till everything has been completed then severe his aorta afterwards to prove he is a false prophet?

This should be an easy win

COYG!!!

SIRTee15:
Ok Qasim6

U know me and evidence are 5&6.
But let's leave that for another day.

Stop playing!
You and bringing evidence that has no substance is 5 and 6.
Bringing what some ancient Jews believed sometimes ago is not good enough, except if there is Prophetic backing to such beliefs.

They could have been wrong, they have no authority.

SIRTee15:
But what I want U to explain is why is the message of Jesus called Injeel.

First tell me ....the injeel is written in what language?

Now if the book given to Jesus isn't written in greek, why is the book given a greek name.

Why did Allah give a greek name to the book given to Jesus when he wasn't sent to the greek and the message was in native language of Jesus which is not greek.

The Injeel, or the revelation given to Jesus, was not initially a written text. Instead, it was likely transmitted orally, and Jesus disciples may have recorded it. It is most likely what Papias was describing that Matthew wrote in Hebrew or Aramaic. these early writings are now lost and are distinct from the canonical Gospels we know today.

The Gentile Christians which later became the predominant movement did not preserve this document because it was at odd with their beliefs because we know that the Christian sect that used this version of Matthew gospel were later declared heretic.

So the question is if Mathew indeed penned something down and it is not what was later named Mathew in the New testament, WHERE IS THE ORIGINAL DOCUMENT AND WHO THE HELL FORGED ANOTHER FORGED DOCUMENT (MARK'S GOSPEL) THEY LATER NAMED MATHEW??

The Arabs might have been using the word injeel to mean the gospel of Jesus before Islam and it has already became a word they were familiar with. We know Injeel is the arabized form of euangelion and euangelion definitely the Greek translation of what it would have been in Aramaic because Mathew that we are told was the first to write the gospel wouldn't have named the document he wrote euangelion since he wrote in Hebrew or Aramaic.

Just like Isa is more likely an arabized form of Iesous rather than Yeshua. and there is archeological evidence Isa was used by Arabs before Islam.

SIRTee15:
2. U mentioned the injeel is corrupt. Now I want U to confirm...was the injeel during the time of Muhammed already corrupted.
Muhammed lived around 6th and 7th century. Was the injeel already corrupted by this period?

Of course it has been corrupted long before the Prophet. But some of the teachings of Jesus Christ still find there way into the canonical gospels like the hypothetical Q gospel. so there is still some elements of truth in the forgeries.

SIRTee15:
What about Alexander the Great. Was he given a book too since he's a prophet in Islam.

Lol

And where did u get this idea of Alexander the Great being a prophet in Islam from?

PROVERBZ:
The questions still begs, why is Jesus message called good news, the very same thing Christians called it because they claimed it contained news of salvation which is indeed good news.

Other prophets talked about prophets coming, John the baptists talked about Jesus coming, why isn't his message titled good news too?

You can believe whatever you like as a Christian on why Jesus message is good news. He died for your sins or salvation by grace or whatever...

But don't come here to tell us what we should believe. We believe the good news of Jesus is about the last universal Prophet and the kingdom of God that was coming. As you can see the Qur'an verse I quoted even said Jesus brought the good news of a Prophet to come after him.

PROVERBZ:
Still bla bla bla.
The question was to show me a verse in your own sources where Jesus claims that Mohammed is sent to all nations and not just the Arabs or isrealites etc.

U failed to do so and also brought up a verse in the Bible which I have no idea what u are trying to show me, but I haven't even opened the verse and I know that it does not contain what I have asked for because it's not in the Bible.

My conclusion is that u have made innovations to your own religion in an attempt to defend the Islamic delimmas that have been pointed out. I'm sure islam frowns at innovations or does taqiiyaa cover you here

Lol

U are already even making conclusions.

Let's say there is no verse where Jesus was reported to have described a messanger coming after him as a prophet to all mankind.

There is a verse where Jesus is described to have given good news of Ahmad as prophet after him.

There is another verse that describe Ahmad as prophet to all mankind.

The prophet was also reported to have said
I have been given five things which were not given to any other prophet including, “…Every prophet would be sent to his nation exclusively, but I have been sent to all mankind.” [Al-Bukhari and Muslim]

And Jesus was reported to have said
"I am only sent to the lost sheep of house of Israel"

You can connect the dot..

GothamCities:
No scripture was revealed to Jesus. Jesus Himself was a Revelation of God's Word. Papias didn't describe anything. Show us manuscripts referencing this descriptions of Papias.

If a Gospel was revealed to Jesus by Allah, how come the said Gospel became forged? Does Allah not have the power to preserve his own revelations?

Show us proof of such gospel. Show us proof of the forgery you claim on the current Bible.


Your belief is inconsequential as long as it runs contrary to reality.


I have asked you to show us the discrepancies between the manuscripts that existed before Mohammed and the transcriptions from those manuscripts which we use today. Bring out disparities from the original Hebrew and Greek texts.

Forgeries in the Bible are merely Islamic hearsays. No evidence. No proof.



The Quran is not an authority in anything whatsoever as it does not even accurately describe events. Such blunders as Mariam the sister of Aaron being the mother of Jesus or the Samaritan who was in the congregation in Moses' days, or that Solomon died standing, and the many embarrassing blunders leave much to be desired of it for an authority. There's no single truth in the whole book. It's all fabrications, lies, etc.

That's why:

1. Mohammed has no proof of any angelic visit.

2. Nothing the Quran says in its warped historical narratives has any evidence anywhere in history.

3. There's no evidence anywhere that God endorsed mohammed.

4. There's no manuscript anywhere where mohammed was recorded as a coming prophet. Your Papias reference is flawed as Papias never made any reference pointing to any Ahmad dead or alive in his days.

4. All found manuscripts have been miraculously preserved. Different kings and emperors of Rome tried their best to obliterate the existence of the Biblical manuscripts but God showed His Sovereignty by preserving them. I don't know why Allah could not preserve the so called revelation of Jesus! Did Allah reveal it only for it to be destroyed and not useful to anyone? Why is Allah so powerless that his Injeel was destroyed without any trait?

The same Torah that existed before Jesus is what we're still using today in our Churches. The same Gospel books that the early fathers who lived before Mohammed read in their gatherings are still the same books we use today. Did you even read that Eusebius quoted from our current book of Mathew as far back as 185 AD? Where did you get your forgery tales from?

This is delulu grandeur!

I thought it is a common knowledge that all the canonical gospels were anonymously written.

Nobody knows who wrote all your gospels.

Are you not familiar with this fact or you just want to be hiding like an ostrich?

Your scriptures both the old and new testament have been fingered.

GothamCities:
My friend, it was the same book that existed before Mohammed, during mohammed and after Mohamed. There's no difference between what we carry today and the manuscripts that existed before Mohammed.

Did Mohammed know it was forged before he declared it as the Injeel? When he declared that the Injeel, was he declaring the forged books? When exactly was the book forged? How was it forged? Who forged it?

This is the false Islamic narrative that has been sold to you in order to prevent you from reading the Bible or believing anything in it. If the Christians forged their own Bible, why is the Old Testament Bible of the Christians the same as that of the Jews? Or did the Jews and Christians sit down at the same table to forge the Torah?

If the Bible has been forged, why would it maintain the original texts, contexts and themes as the oldest existing manuscripts including newly discovered manuscripts of the dead sea scrolls in 2017?

The Bible contains prophecies and words that could be used to test its authenticity. Why would anyone want to adulterate it? Why is the forged book still fulfilling prophecies today?

This is one of the many lies aka Islam dilemma you all be chanting around.

Qur'an is not calling the forged gospels you have now as injeel. Injeel was a scripture revealed to Jesus. it would have been revealed in Aramaic or Hebrew and it is most likely what Papias was describing.

Our belief has always been the earlier scriptures have been fingered and the message there in adulterated.

Here is what Qur'an actually says about the Bible.

Q5:48
We have revealed to you this Book with the truth, as a confirmation of previous Scriptures and a SUPREME AUTHORITY on them. So judge between them by what Allah has revealed, and do not follow their desires over the truth that has come to you. To each of you We have ordained a code of law and a way of life. If Allah had willed, He would have made you one community, but His Will is to test you with what He has given ˹each of˺ you. So compete with one another in doing good. To Allah you will all return, then He will inform you ˹of the truth˺ regarding your differences.

so Qur'an is meant to be a supreme authority over the previous scripture and not affirm everything there in.

GothamCities:
The forgeries are merely imaginary. They only exist in Islam. There's no evidence anywhere for such. Please get out of the Islamic institutional deceit.

And it is very obvious the gospels we have now are forgeries.

Matthew an eye witness to the ministry of Jesus can not be using Marks (that was not eye witness) to write his own account.

WHERE IS THE GOSPEL WRITTEN BY MATTHEW IN ARAMAIC/HEBREW DESCRIBED BY PAPIAS??

And who the heck wrote this gospel you are carrying around as gospel according to Matthew?

PROVERBZ:
u quoted a verse where Isah says there would be a prophet named Ahmad. What I didn't see there is that he would be a prophet for all nations. I need a verse where isah says this before we can move on.
The reason why I am demanding this is because u claimed isahs message was named Good news because he came to introduce a prophet for all mankind which previous prophets were not and this makes it a big news. Personally, I fail to see how this is a good news. Prophets are simply messangers and i don't think any community celebrated the coming of a prophet in the Bible. People waited and celebrated the coming of a messiah tho.

At least you have seen a verse where Jesus talked about Ahmad.

Q7:158
Say, “O humanity! I am Allah’s Messenger to you all. To Him ˹alone˺ belongs the kingdom of the heavens and the earth. There is no god ˹worthy of worship˺ except Him. He gives life and causes death.” So believe in Allah and His Messenger, the unlettered Prophet, who believes in Allah and His revelations. And follow him, so you may be ˹rightly˺ guided.

Isaiah 42 also described him as a light to all nations.

GothamCities:
My dear, what do you mean by "that original Mathew!" The earliest earliest surviving manuscripts of the book of Mathew date back to the 2nd or 3rd century AD. These are manuscripts that are about 400yrs older than Mohammed. These manuscripts forms the basis of our current Book of Mathew. There's nowhere in the earliest manuscripts or in the translations where the name Ahmad was ever mentioned. Why are you guys so bendy on being deceived?

1. Early manuscripts of Mathew: Codex Vaticanus (c. 325-350 AD) and Codex Sinaiticus (c. 350 AD) are two of the oldest and most reliable manuscripts.

2. Patristic citations: Quotes from early Church Fathers, such as Origen (c. 185-254 AD) and Eusebius (c. 260-340 AD), provide valuable insights in the book.

Some notable manuscripts of Matthew's Gospel include:

- Codex Vaticanus (c. 325-350 AD)

- Codex Sinaiticus (c. 350 AD)

- Codex Alexandrinus (c. 400-440 AD)

- Codex Ephraemi Rescriptus (c. 400-440 AD)

All these manuscripts correlate remarkably with each other!

My guy you are the one that has been deceived. You are the one carrying a forged book around calling it message of Christ. I'm sorry to break this sad news to you.

GothamCities:
There's no manuscript anywhere that contains this lie.

Of course there is no manuscript that contains that truth, because you guys have nothing other than forgeries.

PROVERBZ:
I didn't ask u about this fairy tales, lol. I simply asked u to show Me the Islamic sources where Jesus claimed that there would be a prophet for all nations coming after him. Don't bother about Christian sources, use your Islamic sources. I heard u have a whole chapter written about Jesus and that his name was mentioned more times than any other. Surely, something as important as this would have been included and u would not have to make it up to try and correct the Islamic delimma I pointed out.

So the Qur'an verse I quoted flew over your head??

And in the meantime, you all can accept it's forged documents you are carrying around calling the message of Christ.

GothamCities:
There's no news about that! Everyone knew before Jesus Christ that the Kingdom of God was coming. It was no news at all. So, what's the Good News about that as far as Jesus is concerned? The News had existed before Jesus and is not related to Jesus at all.

Jesus didn't talk about any coming prophet. If you think He did, kindly show us where.

The Good News is a message of Salvation. The remedy for perishing souls which is found in Christ alone. That's what the Good News was all about. It has been so before Mohamed, during mohammed and after Mohamed. The Good News has not changed. It only changed in Islam.

Here is how Papias described gospel written by Apostle Matthew

"Papias said that Matthew the Apostle was the first to write a gospel, and that he did so in Hebrew. Papias also said that others translated the Hebrew or Aramaic gospel to the best of their ability. "

The Mathew we ended up with was written in Greek and forged using Marks.

Bring me that original Mathew and I will show you where Jesus talked about the final messanger.

Q 61:6
And ˹remember˺ when Jesus, son of Mary, said, “O children of Israel! I am truly Allah’s messenger to you, confirming the Torah which came before me, and giving good news of a messenger after me whose name will be Aḥmad.” Yet when the Prophet came to them with clear proofs, they said, “This is pure magic.”

PROVERBZ:
Good.. use Islamic sources to show me where Jesus is recorded talking about this prophet for all nations.

My bro, if u are not able to fins this, then u must explain how u came about this hogwash u made up.

Perhaps it's time to accept that Allah copied the Christians without thinking.

Here is how Papias described gospel written by Apostle Matthew

"Papias said that Matthew the Apostle was the first to write a gospel, and that he did so in Hebrew. Papias also said that others translated the Hebrew or Aramaic gospel to the best of their ability. "

The Mathew we ended up with was written in Greek and forged using Marks.

Bring me that original Mathew and I will show you where Jesus talked about the final messanger.

Q 61:6
And ˹remember˺ when Jesus, son of Mary, said, “O children of Israel! I am truly Allah’s messenger to you, confirming the Torah which came before me, and giving good news of a messenger after me whose name will be Aḥmad.” Yet when the Prophet came to them with clear proofs, they said, “This is pure magic.”

PROVERBZ:
Does this not sound stupid to u?? Firstly, like u said, daniel and every other prophet had talked about this 'kingdom coming' so it wasnt new. Also, why didn't the message of the person who prophesied the coming of Jesus get his message called good news since in islam Jesus is supposed to be the messiah?

The messiah concept in Islam is also another Dilema for Islam. Messiah means anointed one and was used to refer to a savior. The jews were waiting for a miilitary savior to save them from the Roman's and the Christians expected him to make atonement for their transgressions there by granting salvation and saving them from the fires of hell. Now, my question is, what is Isah anointed to save in Islam? From the account of Islam, he was the most useless prophet ever. His message got missing, didn't do nothing etc.
Why is he the messiah?

Why all this dilemmas??

You may benefit on strengthening your logical reasoning skills.

All previous prophet before Prophet Muhammad were all sent to some group of people or some sect, The last prophet is to the whole of mankind, So it's a big thing coming. Bringing such news is a good news.

And the kingdom of God is supposed to end the Romans rule. The Roman empire is no more here for some centuries now. FOR HOW LONG SHOULD WE WAIT FOR??

All this nonsense someone dying for your sins is all hogwash that have no scriptural backing. And no, our prophet is not useless. He will complete his mission on his 2nd coming.


All those dilemmas are just in your head!

PROVERBZ:
Cc Qasim6 steep ken4christ

The good news Jesus Christ brought was the glad tidings of the final messanger and also the Kingdom of God that was coming.

Same Kingdom of God prophesied by Daniel.

So, Yeah his message was good news in all ramifications and you guys should stop fooling around with all these nonsense nonexistence Islam dilemma.

Man-shitty downfall is finally here.

But where was this downfall when Arsenal needed it last season

Padipadi:
Let's save it for crêtins like Manchester United

Fairs