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TenQ:
1. The thing is that Islam is first a spiritual deception
2. Then it is a spiritual prison

Apart from those who benefit from Islam, ALL Muslims emotionally truly want islam to be true even if they have to fabricate a lie to convince themselves

Obo n'gbe Obo gun Ope. Make Una two dey deceive Una self

TenQ:
This is the correct translation below
Quran 21:91
And the one who guarded her vulva, so We breathed into it through Our angel, making her and her son a sign for all peoples.

Are these two wrong interpretations?

1. The Arabic word "فُرُوجَهُمْ" ("furūjuhum" which translates to "their private parts" or "their genitals" in English.
2. The term "فَحْجَة" (fahjaha) in Arabic refers to a woman's private part of the vulva

Meaning that "furūjuhum" and "fahjaha" refers to PRIVATE PARTS. "furūjuhum" is Plural while "fahjaha" is singular FEMALE


The Private part of a Woman is called either VULVA or VAGINA!
This was what your Jibril BLEW into!

Your case is beyond redemption!

You just want to make up whatever you want then debunk it then lie to yourself you are debunking Islam?

Professor why did you translate fi-ha "فِيهَا" to "into it" and decided to translate wajaealna-ha "وَجَعَلْنَـٰهَا" and waibna-ha "وَٱبْنَهَآ" differently?

And also do well to tell us what the correct Arabic word should have been if it is "into her"

TenQ:
Muslims will never stop embarrassing themselves with deep fabrications just to sustain their lies.
In Qur'an 33:35, I guess you didn't check that

The Arabic word "فُرُوجَهُمْ" ("furūjuhum" translates to "their private parts" or "their genitals" in English.

The term "فَحْجَة" (fahjaha) in Arabic refers to a woman's private part of the vulva

Either way, it's not chastity nor garment not sleeves.

Just give me five Arabic sentences using the word fahjaha and translate.




The fact that I quoted your Qur'an translation does not mean that I don't know what it says.

It says we breathe into IT and not we breathe into her.



Chastity is not an IT
Vulva is an IT

In Qur'an 21:91, the word "فِيهَا" "fīhā" translates to "in it" or "into it" in English and not INTO HER



Fabricate something else: I am waiting!

Engaging you is a waste of time!

Professor of Arabic studies are you telling us the correct translation of the verse should have been

so We breathed into IT through Our angel, making IT and ITS son a sign for all peoples.

rather than
so We breathed into her through Our angel, making her and her son a sign for all peoples.

Just stop embarrassing yourself already!


And yes furuja-hum and farja-ha are the same word, furuja-hum is just the plural form since the subject "men" is plural.

So I'm asking again do men now have viginas?

TenQ:
Tell him to give you every synonyms for
1. Sleeve
2. Garments
3. Womb
and see if he would arrive at Farja

Tell Antichristian to give you five Arabic sentences with the word Farjaha
Lets see if anyone will give the meaning as sleeve or garment


Farjiha means only one thing in Arabic: Female Vulva or Vagina


Tafsir Ibn Kathir Quran 66:11-12
(And We breathed into it (private part) through Our Ruh,) meaning, through the angel Jibril. Allah sent the angel Jibril to Maryam, and he came to her in the shape of a man in every respect. Allah commanded him to blow into a gap of her garment and that breath went into her womb through her private part; this is how `Isa was conceived. This is why Allah said here,

(And We breathed into it through Our Ruh, and she testified to the truth of her Lords Kalimat, and His Kutub,) meaning His decree and His legislation.

Tafsir Quran 66.10-12 Maududi - Sayyid Abul Ala Maududi - Tafhim al-Qur'an
That is, without her having any connection with a man, Allah breathed into her womb a Spirit from Himself. (For explanation, see E.N.'s 212, 213 of An-Nisa' and E.N. 89 of Al-Anbiya').

Reference for the two Tafsirs above https://quranx.com/tafsirs/66.12

Lies that Muslims cannot tell doesn't exist yet

Why do you just love embarrassing yourself up and down like this?

The same word was used for men in Qur'an 33:35. Do men now have viginas?

The verse says she guarded her farja and we breath into her...... Without indicating if it is through any opening whatsoever.

The best way to translate farjaha is chastity or private part, and what the verse is telling us is that she was not promiscuous and her conception was indeed miraculous.

Ohyoudidnt:
Qasim, their bible doesn't confirm that the angels ate the food that Abraham served them.

I think genesis 18:8 implies they did.

He then brought some curds and milk and the calf that had been prepared, and set these before them. While they ate, he stood near them under a tree.

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These are good times, may we see more of it.

SIRTee15:

BECOMING A MAN IS THE SAME THING AS APPEARING AS A MAN.
BOTH DEFINES INCARNATION.

IF I BECOME NICE, DOES THAT MEAN I HAVE CHANGED TO NICE? DOES THAT MEAN MY NATURE IS NOW NICE?

IF I APPEAR DIRTY, IS NOT THE AS I BECAME DIRTY.

IF I BECOME ANGRY, IS IT NOT THE SAME THING AS APPEARING ANGRY.

MY FRIEND JUBRIL BECAME A MAN WHEN HE APPEARED TO MARY.


TenQ, thanks for bringing up that Jubril angle. Muslims are trapped in their own game.

We don't have problem with an angelic being incarnating as a man.

According to our own understanding, Angel incarnating as a man does not mean the angel will drop-by at the nearest restaurant for a hot plate of Amala. Angel incarnating as a man simply means the angel appears outwardly as a man and remain an angel in essence such that the angel does not require food, oxygen etc to function effectively.

For example: the Qur'an narrative of when 3 angels on their way to Sodom and Gomorrah visited Abraham to give glad tidings of Isaac they refused to eat the food given to them whereas they ate the food in the Biblical narrative...

For us angel appearing as a Man and becoming a man is not the same thing.

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Gabrielshow24:
Jesus not knowing the hour is part of the aspects of his humility taking up a lower form and subjecting himself to his Father and not expressing his full nature; that doesn't mean if he asked from the Father at that moment in Time it won't be given him but he rather have his Father declare it(further showing his humility).

What don't you understand about the Nicene Creed?

The answer to your questions are in the bible!

What do you expect him to say? 🤨That he is greater than his Father.

He paid homage to the Father which gave him all things - it doesn't negate the fact that he has all things

And he said the father is greater because the Father "gave" him all things. Showing a flow

Emphasis on "gave".
From heavenly standards it's better to give than to receive. He that receives his technically spiritually lower than he that gives.

Hence understandably so. He(Jesus) didn't give his Father his authority but rather the Father gave him all Power and Authority!


A better question would have been along the concepts of him being with God before the beginning.

Ok let's assume Jesus Christ did not know the hour out of humility even though it doesn't make any sense. What about the holy spirit?
Jesus Christ said only the Father knows the hour, why does the holy spirit not know? Humility of the holy spirit?

Here is a part of the creed

"We believe in one Lord, Jesus Christ,
    the only Son of God,
    eternally begotten of the Father,
    God from God, Light from Light,
    true God from true God,
    begotten, not made,
    consubstantial to the father."

This creed is telling us Jesus was not made by the father that he is co-eternal, co-true God, with the father.

And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent. John 17:3

So why was Jesus identifying Father as the only true God and himself a messanger of that true God?

And can there be another true God apart from the Father?

Gabrielshow24:
I fail to see how this is hard to understand!

No bro, I fail to understand how a being that depend on another for his existence can be co-eternal and co-true God with that same being he depends on.

And I thought God should be self sufficient or have you guys redefine God?

Gabrielshow24:
Trinity is being circulated as a hard topic but it's really simple to understand.

I agree with your write up

Really?
This is the first time I'll be seeing someone make a bold claim that trinity is very easy to understand.
Do you know how the doctrine was defined by the nicene-constatinople creed?

Can you reconcile that creed with Jesus a member of that trinity making statements like these

-Holy spirit and Jesus not knowing the hour?
-Father is greater than I?
-Father is the only true God?

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SIRTee15:
Muhammed slept with the slave girl of his wife Zainab without his wife's permission or even the slave permission.

Can you give any reference for this?

SIRTee15:
If anything, the gospel writers never lied they heard it from God. That's the issue with the Muhammed and his Qur'an.
As far as am concerned I rather prefer someone that copied from contemporary books written close to lifetime of Christ than Muhammed that copied from gospels written 200 yrs after Christ.

Unfortunately, we just don't know the true identities of these writers. You guys just have to take another decision based on faith that the information they have given us is accurate representation of Jesus.

And Matthew and Luke change information from Mark's in whatever way they see fit, and it seems like they were writing theology for their primary audience rather than accurate representation of Jesus life. I'm sure those guys had no idea their gospels will be read alongside their source in the future.

SIRTee15:
How can U claim Muhammed wasn't aware of bible stories when everyone around him knew the stories.
When he started his ministry, the people told him to his face that they are familiar with his recitation stories, they have heard it b4 and are tales of the ancient people of the past. They even told him they could come up with something similar if they want to. All these are in your Qur'an.
Bible stories are not new to the people of ancient Arabia, so how come it's new to Muhammed?

How come everyone knew the bible stories except Muhammed? How come everyone in Arabia peninsula are familiar with bible stories except Muhammed.
Muhammed can't read but he could hear!!!

Where was Muhammed when everyone was hearing about the bible stories?

That's the mystery I want U to help me solve.

Of course the Arabs were not living in isolation, they would definitely have heard names like Moses, Jesus and some other Biblical figures and even familiar with their stories to some extent before the Prophet started his preachings, the fact they were claiming 'these are the stories of the people of the past' mean nothing.

The author of the Qur'an is not claiming these stories are something that are unheard of, infact the author tells us exactly what the Qur'an is doing with previous scriptures.

Q5:48
We have revealed to you ˹O Prophet˺ this Book with the truth, as a confirmation of previous Scriptures and a supreme authority on them......

So we can say what the Qur'an is doing is critical rewriting of the Judeo-Christian traditions by sifting truth from falsehood.

let me give u a background knowledge on the nature of the Qur'an.
The Qur'an was not all revealed at a go as you already know, even some chapters are not revealed at a go, and some verses were not even chronologically revealed. It was revealed like a puzzle book, such that the prophet was constantly telling the companions after receiving revelations this verse is part of this chapter, that verse is part of that chapter for 23 years, yet what we have in our hands is a book of chiastic/ring structure extraodinare. ring structures inside ring structure.

If you are not familiar with chiastic/ring structure, I will implore you to do some light reading on the subject. The structure is also prominent in some old testament books like the Genesis, exodus, Leveticus, numbers and deut.

The ring structure in the Qur'an is too complex for a book that was orally delivered from the prophet to his companions. If prophet Muhammad is a false prophet and the text of the Qur'an was his making such that he was just making it up in his head and putting into consideration the fact that some verses of the Qur'an were answers to questions been asked of the prophet and he was able to come up with the text of the Qur'an with the level of the chiastic/ring structures present in the Qur'an then his IQ would be in the neighborhood 1000.

To think the Prophet is the author of the Qur'an creates more problem that it solves

SIRTee15:
So tell us what contemporary evidence of Muhammed existence do we have? Even your hadiths were written 200 yrs after his death so they can't be called contemporary and their high possiblity of legendary embellishment to make Muhammed what he's not.

There is Biography of the prophet written by Ibn Hisham, and Ibn Hisham made it perfectly clear he used Ibn Ishaq an early source, though Ibn Ishaq work does not survive. But there are other authors that used Ibn Ishaq like al-Tabari.
Ibn Ishaq lived in the 8th century, so his work was in the 8th century, that's within a century of the prophet.

And there are other works that are contemporary of Ibn Ishaq work like the work of Sulaiman Ibn Tarkhan who was a student of Anas Ibn Malik who was a companion of the prophet.

The existence of very early Qur'an manuscripts is also enough as evidence for existence of the prophet.

And no Bukhari is not the earliest compilation of Hadith, cos I know that's what you are referring to by the 200yrs. There is Musnad al-Tayalisi by Abu dawud, there is Muwatta Malik and they predate Bukhari.

SIRTee15:
Calm down, books written late in 2nd century claiming to have been written by James or Thomas cannot be true. These disciples were long dead.
It's just common sense. That makes those gospel book instant apocryphal. The content in the books were unheard of until late 2nd century.

I know it was written late, dated to around 150 but to conclude all the information therein is false and all the information in John gospel is true, another gospel that is believe to have been written a bit late in around 90-110 is a conclusion based on faith rather than logic. and there are even canonised books that have same aspersion of forgeries like 2 peters but they still get the pass mark somehow.

My point is that the fact Qur'an contain information found in gospels that are not cannonised does not necessarily mean Qur'an contain false information about Jesus Christ.

SIRTee15:
Ok now let me show U where the John got it from.

Ever heard of Targum?

Ok, Just hearing about it

I found out it's Aramaic interpretation/translation of the tanakh.

AntiChristian:
So Joseph and his brothers fought because their God was fake too?

Bros you're going stale!

U dey mind the dumb skull?

I never see someone make that kind of silly argument.

Even the nation of Israel split into two after Solomon and they fought each other.

SIRTee15:
It's important to corroborate religious claims with non religious evidence otherwise it's nothing but blind faith.
If we are not even sure Muhammed exist, how do we know the Quran is true.

See who is talking about corroborating religious claims with non religious evidence here. I'm glad you know it's something akin to a blind faith without that corroboration.

SIRTee15:
The book simply copied from other books. All the story of Jesus in the Quran are from apocryphal gospel books.

Which of your gospels is not apocryphal? Or because some people canonised 4 that suit whatever their agenda was out of all the gospels that were flying around in the 1st and 2nd century
-that automatically make that 4 non-apocryphal?
-That automatically make the information in others null and void?
-That automatically make all the information in the canonised Gospels 100% true?

I'm not sure you guys realize how lame it is when you guys make this nonsense claim that Prophet Muhammad copied from here and there to make up the text of the Qur'an. What you are telling us is that he must have had a very big hidden library that no one knew of except him, and he must have been able to read and understand in at least these languages: Arabic, Hebrew, Aramaic, Greek, and Egyptian hieroglyphs(a lost language at the time). Yet what we know about him and what his companions knew is that he couldn't even read or write in his native language.

You are making this claim of prophet Muhammad copying from somewhere and you are reading the synoptic gospels that are side by side in your scripture and yet you can't smell a rat about them copying from each other.
Christianity hypocrisy is out of this world, it is something forged in hell.

SIRTee15:
If Allah is truly one as Muslims claim, Can I worship the shin of Allah?

Why exactly do you want to worship the shin of Allah?

SIRTee15:
Ok before we start.
I need to clarify 2 things

1. Do U accept the 2nd person of the trinity as per Christian theology is the WORD OF GOD- also called God the Son/Jesus Christ.

2. Tell me the authoritative Jewish texts that U know.

I need clear answers to above because I don't want any denial once I bring the evidence.

No problem. We know that's what you believe. We know that's what John gospel says, we just don't know where the writer get that from.

Tanakh, Oral torah(Talmud, Mishnah).

SIRTee15:
Of course, only U has divine attributes to interpret the Quran correctly.
The rest of your scholars are dumb and stupid.

Not everyone is dumb like some people that swallowed a man made doctrine that is not clearly stated in their scripture. Some of us cherish our salvation.

And no we don't need divine attributes or spooky spirit to understand scriptures, we just need our God given common sense.

SIRTee15:
Yet same Quran failed to tell us the age of maturity.
The sahih hadith tells us but of course according to Qasim, these hadiths are written by scholars deficient in knowledge so cant be trusted.

Is the age of maturity mentioned in the Bible? Na the hypocrisy we dey always dey talk about be this o. Small time u go talk say we no fit defend Qur'an, we dey always run to the Bible.

If you apply common sense, u'll know the marriageable age is to come after being able to make sound judgements according to Q 4:6

And for the records, I am not saying the Tafsir is totally wrong, because at a time when most girls are married off at the early stage of puberty. They are likely to come across girls that have matured physically and mentally for marriage but are yet to see their periods.

SIRTee15:
Anyway, I will bring U evidence of plurality nature of God from the ancient jewish authoritative text.

The question is will U accept it and stop disturbing Christians with your poor understanding of trinity of I bring the evidence from an authoritative text of ancient Jewish.
I need U to answer because I don't want U to stress me this afternoon.

No problem. Bring the evidence.

SIRTee15:
If I show U the evidence that the ancient Jews believed in the concept of Trinity, will U accept it or as usual reject it like U did with your own Tafsir?

I don't know Tafsir is now divine revelation that I have to follow 100%

If you have any evidence that the Jews at some point believed in trinity you can bring them, hopefully it's not going to be some unknown document from some unknown Jewish sect that are influenced by Hellenism.

AntiChristian:
They are bigots and hypocrites! They have pastors involved in rape, sexual immorality, rituals, etc but it's only Muslims' they emphasize!

Their hypocrisy stinks to high heaven, whenever a Muslim misbehave, yeah it is Islam.

But when a Christian misbehave, yeah it's the individual.

Ojuntana:
Yes. Jesus took over the Kingdom of God immediately he died and rose from the grave. It's there in the Bible

The Kingdom of God in Daniel's prophecy is the kingdom Jesus is coming to establish on earth at His second coming when He will come as a King

Do you know that kingdom of God is supposed the defeat the 4th kingdom from Babylon? and I'm sure the 4th kingdom is no more around.

Ojuntana:
The Jews have always been against Muhammad from the beginning of his claimed prophethood. That was why he fought them relentlessly. Go and read Quran 9:29 or do you dispute that the People of the Book being referred to are Jews? Khaybar was a strong Jewish town that Muhammad attacked. In fact, all throughout Muhammad's interactions with Jews, they always tested him to disprove his claim and he always failed. He ate the poison of the Khaybar woman and it affected him.

Yeah, the Jews have been against him from the onset, because the Jews were expecting a Prophet and that is why some of them settled in Yathrib in the first place but unfortunately for them the Prophet was from the Arabs and not from the Israelites but their pride won't let them follow the non-Israelite prophet.

Qur'an 9:29 is not about fighting indiscriminately, it is about fighting those non- Muslims under Islamic rule that don't want to pay Jizya tax.

Fight those who do not believe in Allah and the Last Day, nor comply with what Allah and His Messenger have forbidden, nor embrace the religion of truth from among those who were given the Scripture, UNTIL they pay the Jizya, willingly submitting, fully humbled.

And before you come back to say why are the Muslims not paying, the Muslims pay a form of tax known as zakat too.

The prophet lived another 4 years after Khaybar, so what's your point about Khaybar?

Ojuntana:
It is everlasting or is Jesus not everlasting? Is he not an Israelite? Is there any other way to God except Him?

Did Jesus say the kingdom of God was given to him or how did you conclude the kingdom was given to Jesus. Because Jesus was saying it will be taken away from JEWS/ISRAELITES and it will be given to a NATION that will produce its fruit

Is the kingdom of God Jesus talking about the same as the kingdom of God of Daniel prophecy?

Ojuntana:
I always find it funny that you guys will claim the Bible is adulterated yet you will be seeking validation for your religion from same Bible. Why don't you use your quran to show that the Bible is adulterated instead of claiming lies against Jeremiah?

This line is stale already, the fact that we said the Torah has been corrupted does not mean the word of God is not in there again, even the gospel as over dilluted as it is, still contain the word of God.

And I am not seeking validation for my religion. What brought about this is that you claimed the Jews see prophet Muhammad as a fake Prophet and I'm telling you that is not the case that some of them even see the rise of Islam as a fulfillment of Genesis 17:20.

How did I lie against Jeremiah??
Am I the one saying this?
“How can you say, ‘We are wise, and the law of the LORD is with us’? But behold, the lying pen of the scribes has made it into a lie. Jeremiah 8:8

How can I use the Qur'an to prove the Bible has been corrupted to you when you don't believe the Qur'an is the word of God, you are just going to reject whatever I bring.

Ojuntana:
He was not. The covenant is fulfilled in Jesus. All those who believe in Jesus and bear fruits of repentance will enjoy the benefits of the covenant like other Israelites who rejected it would

Ok so u agree the covenant with Isaac is not everlasting at the end of the day?

Ojuntana:
Islamists and attempts to obfsucate issues is not new. Read below Genesis 17:17-22


It is easy to see that God rejected establishing is kingdom through Ishmael even with Abraham's pleas. He specifically said Isaac will be born and will carry the covenant. Ishmael was circumcised. But that was the end of it. None of his descendants after him were circumcised.
The promise to Ishmael is to make him a great nation with 12 children. No more. No less. Quit the lies abeg.

And the covenant is everlasting. It is fulfilled through the birth of Jesus. Jesus is from the line of Isaac. And the kingdom being taken away from Israelites which he referred to is simply to say that the Gospel of Jesus will be taken from them and given to Gentiles. That is why there are more non-Israelite Christians today than there are Christian Jews. It does not mean the covenant is not everlasting since Jesus came from the seed of Isaac. "Through you the whole earth will be blessed" That's the covenant.

So if the covenant with Isaac is everlasting.

Why did Jesus tell them the kingdom of God is going to be taken away from them and it will be given to a nation that will produce its fruit?

Was Jesus lying?

I am not sure u realize you are contradicting yourself, in one breath you are saying the covenant with Isaac is everlasting, in another you are saying the covenant has been taken away from them and it has been given to the gentiles.