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SIRTee15:
Ebionites believed Jesus was adopted as Son of God at his baptism, then became the Messiah in order to fulfil the scriptures.
Ebionites believed Jesus was crucified, died a martyr and resurrected in a spiritual body.
Yes the rejected divine birth of Jesus and followed the gospel of Matthew as the scripture.
They also believed he was the prophet spoke about by Moses.
So they cannot be called believers according to the Qur'an. Try harder.

I repeat, no gnostic Christian ever believed Jesus was a mere prophet throughout his life time. There's always an elevation along the way- either in his life or death.

So??
You are still letting this Christianity understanding of the term "son of God" get in your head.

I also believe Jesus is son of God the way the Jews would have understood the term in the first century or how Jesus followers would have understood it while he was walking on this earth.

What we can gather about what the Ebionites believed are brought to us by their opponents i.e the gentile Christians i.e the Pauline Christians, For some reason we don't know non of their writings survive. So we can not say their opponent present them accurately.

Just so you know, the gospel of Matthew they used is not the same as the one we have now o
The one they used was written in Hebrew and it was described in way that it is different from the forged one we have now.

So what do you mean they can't be called believers by the Qur'an?

SIRTee15:
so if sleeping with a prepubescent girl is a sin, then explain why the Quran writes that husband should wait 3 months before divorcing their prepubescent wives.
If the husband is not sleeping with his prepubescent girl, why would he have to wait 3 months to be sure she's not pregnant b4 divorcing her.

It is permissible to give young girls in marriage in Islam, and that has always been the case every where in the world.

But if the girl is not matured yet for intercourse, be it she is yet to see her period or not ready physically then it is not permissible for her guardian to give her to her husband till she's able for it. as we see in the case of the prophet marriage with Aisha.

So Qur'an 65:4 that you are alluding to is not talking about prepubescent girls. because even if they have been married, they have no business in the man household as of yet.

There are cases of Women that have matured physically and in age but never see their period a condition known as Amenorrhea. are these women not deserve to be married ?.
So that verse is clearly describing women that are advanced in age, they are matured physically but they never see their period. Because prepubescent married girl wouldn't even be in the man household for a start.

SIRTee15:
irrelevant to the discussion here. The issue here is objective morality which can only come from God.
humans are free to shift the age of consent as they like. Even if they move it to 2yrs, it doesnt change the objective morality from God.
That's why I asked u, is pedophilia a sin in Islam?

So what is the Objective morality of God in Christainity concerning marriageable age for girls? and what has it been over the centuries?
Did the early church fathers not talk about it at all?
Because I really want to know your take with the way you guys are always quick to play this pedophile card against Islam and our Prophet.

SIRTee15:
U didn't answer my question. We know Allah claimed he's omnipotent and omniscience, but we need to put the claim to test to prove its credibility.
claim is not enough, the evidence backing up such claim should never be in doubt
But Allah's thinking is depicting him as he's dependent on another existence if he decides to have a son, that's the issue.
Why should Allah's ability to bring forth a son be dependent on another being if he's all powerful.
we know Allah will never have a son, but if he decides to have one, he still cannot do it; because he has no compatible spouse that WILL HELP HIM BRING FORTH THE SON.
Above is the crux of the matter.
If Allah is all powerful, why should he think he needs help from another existence to produce a son. Why is he incapable of bringing forth a Son by himself.

Note this are hypothetical statement made by Allah himself in the Quran, so dont bring up the issue of debating theoretical impossibilities.

"Allah bringing forth a son" what does that even mean.?
It will still go back to Allah willing this son into existence which simply means creating a son, how is that son different from all of his other creations?
God is telling us the Idea of him having a son is beneath him.

The only way there can be that special son you are thinking about is if we have a man God and a woman God and they procreate to give us a son God. Anything short of that you are just a creation of God.

The Idea that God is omnipotent exclude things that are beneath him
God cannot become a man
God cannot cease to exist
God cannot have a son
God cannot lie
Things like these are beneath God.

SIRTee15:
Above is a lie.
The 7 Christians believed in the 2nd coming of CHRIST AND RESSURECTION OF THE DEAD IN FLESH.
And then Maximilian said to him: “Believe us, for in truth Our Lord has raised us before the day of the great resurrection. And so that you might believe firmly in the resurrection of the dead, verily we are raised as you see, and live. And like the child is in the womb of his mother without feeling harm or hurt, in the same wise we have been living and sleeping, lying here without feeling anything.”

And after giving this witness, they inclined their heads to the earth, and gave up their spirits at the command of Our Lord Jesus Christ, and so died.

So I asked again, if u are saying these men are Christians and the Quran calls them believers....what is their believe?

So??

We Muslims believe in 2nd coming of Christ and resurrection of the dead in flesh too

The back story to that was that prior to their resurfacing, there had been argument among Christians wether there is going to be resurrection of body in the last day and they saw them as a proof.

SIRTee15:
No christian sect ever believed Jesus was a mere prophet all through his life. There is always a variation in the transformational change in the person of Jesus that made him a saviour or elevated towards divinity amongst the gnostic sect.

That's why I'm asking u what is the believe of these men in the caves the Quran call beleivers.

What exactly are you working? What do you mean no Christian sect ever believed Jesus was a mere prophet all his life?

The Ebionites which scholars believed to have held a view closer to that of the original Apostles believed Jesus was a mere man, a prophet, they denied his divinity and pre-existence. So what are you talking about?

SIRTee15:
So are u claiming these 7 sleepers were basilideans? Is that what u saying? because basilideans believe Jesus was a sinner who had his sin washed away at baptism and then became first born of God.
Look here if u want to appeal to Gnosticism to argue your case, then u need to find one whose believe align with the beliefs in the the Quran.
I asked about their believes because the Quran called them believers, and no Christian sect - gnostic or not shared same belief about Jesus as written in the Quran.

I am not saying they are necessarily Basilidians, I'm just pointing out the fact there are early Christians that believed Jesus was not the one nailed to the cross. Infact some believed it was Simon of Cyrene and it is most likely the reason why the writer of Gospel of John writing very late had to remove Simon of Cyrene from his plot to stress the narrative that Jesus was the one on the cross.

Let's leave the argument of if the New testament is corrupt or not for now.
Let's just analyse this statement of Paul

"O foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you? Before your very eyes Jesus Christ was clearly portrayed as crucified."

Who was bewitching the Galatians to think Jesus was not crucified if there are no group that believed he wasn't?

And even if the Sleepers held the view that Jesus was crucified and resurrected after 3 days that did not negate them as believers in as much as they didn't associate partner with God.

SIRTee15:
But u dont see Christians defending it as right. That Jacob or Lot did it doesnt make it right.
Mosaic law clearly forbid incestious union or intimacy and drew a clear line regarding this things- read the book of Leviticus.

Yeah, the book of leveticus did not forbid one from marrying the ex wife of one adopted son too. and Deuteronomy allowed one to marry the wife of one deceased brother which some people are still going to find absurd.

I believe we should not over worry ourselves about what people are going to say to actions that are not sins in the sight of God.

For example one is allowed to marry the wife of a deceased brother, they both want the relationship but they are worried about what people are going to say then they resolve to fornicating in secret, what that simply mean is that they fear people more than they fear God.

SIRTee15:
I dont understand your problem with David having favour with God
Yes he sinned but he realised his mistake and repented, he asked God for forgiveness and he was he forgiven.
so what's the issue.
God forgives your iniquity no matter how dirty, just dont expect him to lift the consequence of your sin just because he forgave your iniquity.
For as many he loves, he chastise.
That's the lesson in the story of David and bathsheba.

I do not have problem with David or anyone having favour from God.

Infact the story is alluded in the Qur'an, but the Qur'an does not go into full details of what happened, but I know David took something that was not his. He realised his sins and was full of repentance and he was forgiven. The main lesson of the story is if we sincerely seek forgiveness of our sins, God is always ready to welcome us back without the sacrifice of himself or his supposed son.

What we are pointing out to you is this. This is a Prophet of God that you have in your scripture to have committed adultery and murder and you want to attack the Prophethood of Prophet Muhammad for marrying the ex wife of an adopted son.
-The Prophet and zayd are not related by blood
-The Prophet did not commit adultery with Zaynab.
-The Prophet did not murder Zayd to have his way
-The Prophet did not cause their separation.
So what is the fuss all about??

SIRTee15:
At the time of the kings, the nation of Israel was no longer a theocracy. The people had rejected God as their head of state and demanded for a king.
God warned them of the consequences but Israelites insisted for a king.
So affairs of the nation was no longer directly in God's hand, the Israelites managed their nation as they deem fit.
If they were happy with a murderer and an adulterer as king, that's their choice.
remember when God rejected Saul as king, he continued to be king of Israel until he was killed in battle.
When God anointed David as king, he wasn't king until may years later when the people finally accepted him after a civil war against Saul's son.
The people decide what they wanted.

That's a beautiful spin.
Same David that was anointed by Samuel (another Prophet)?
Same David that God said he will appoint to be his firstborn, and the most exalted of the kings of the earth in Psalm 89:27?
What you guys don't realise is you can not have the Bible as scripture and have the audacity to open your mouth to attack the Qur'an on moral grounds or any other ground for that matter.

SIRTee15:
That's fine, no problem. It's your religion.
But it only shows most african culture have better moral values and uphold higher moral standard than the Quran.
u may protest it but It's what it is. Fact dont lie.
A lot of people in Africa will be very uncomfortable with the idea of a man getting married to someone he previously called 'my daughter in law' and who called him father.

This can easily be thrown back at you.
Abraham marrying his half sister, Jacob marrying two sisters at the same time. Lot sleeping with his daughter. I'm not sure a lot of people in Africa would be very comfortable with these as well or what do you think?

SIRTee15:
That hadith didnt say anything about Aisha being jealous, that's a misinterpretation of the hadith by modern muslims.

Yeah, Neither did the Hadith say she's doubtful of her husband Prophethood.

SIRTee15:
Forget about the myth/legend part, I'm not talking about that this time.
since u admitted they were christians and the Quran call them believers- what was their beleive.
As christians what did they beleive in?
Did they beleive Jesus died for their sins? Did they believe Jesus was crucified, died and rose on the 3rd day.

Don't tell me you don't know there are early Christianity sects like the Basilidians that rejected the crucifixion. Basilides claimed to have been taught his doctrines by Glaucus, a disciple of Apostle Peter.

And I am of the opinion the original Apostles did not teach a crucified Jesus. Because we know they (especially James) were the enemies of Paul.
And we see Paul scolding the Galatians in one of his letters

"O foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you? Before your very eyes Jesus Christ was clearly portrayed as crucified."

We know James sent men to the Galatians to correct Paul false teachings.
Who do you think was bewitching the Galatians to think otherwise about the crucifixion?

So there are early Christ followers that did not believe the crucifixion. The companions of the cave could easily have been a follower of any of those sects.

SIRTee15:
If Allah is all powerful, why does he think he need a partner if he wants to have a Son.
If he's all knowing, how come he didnt know its possible to have a son without the need for a partner.

surah 6.101
[He is] Originator of the heavens and the earth. How could He have a son when He does not have a companion and He created all things? And He is, of all things, Knowing.

God owns everything.
the sinner, the righteous, Satan, Jesus, Muhammad. All the planets. Everything and anything we can think of. So why is God going to need a Son?

SIRTee15:
I think u may want review your answer again. I already asked Antichristian and he said having sex with a prepubescent girl in Islam is not a sin.

No, it is a sin to have sex with young girls that are yet to reach puberty.

Would you consider having sexual relations with a girl of 17 in a country like France and the likes that have the age of consent as 16 a paedophilia act?

What was Christianity age of consent in the 2nd century?

SIRTee15:
David committed adultery and murder- He sinned and brought the wages of sin into his household.
How was he punished? - God rejected his prayer when he called on God to help him remove the burden of sin he brought into his home with his hands.

Do you have problem with God for him not to have stripped David off his Prophethood and kingship for committing adultery and murder? Because I know you will agree with me that most African culture shun at adultery and murder and in a working African community any leader that commited such crimes would have been stripped off of his leadership role.

SIRTee15:
Yeah, so it's ok to marry the wife of someone that calls u father and u call son just because u are not related? So women have finished in your locality and the only one that entered your eye is the ex wife of your adopted son.
So u don't see anything wrong with having sex with a woman who also had sex with your adopted son- a child that grew up in your home and calls u father.
in case u dont know, that's an abimnation in most african culture. Try that in Yorubaland and see tongues wagging.
In African culture, Any child that calls u father and u call him son is as good as your child.
Go and read about Okonkwo and Ikemefuna in things fall apart.
Okonkwo was told, 'do not have a hand in that boy's death because he calls u father'.
It's a pity most african culture have better morality than what is in the Quran.

Allah didnt tell Muhammed anything. He simply followed his own covetuous desires. Muhammed turned Allah into his own errand boy that gives ayah for every Muhammed's personal problem.
Even Aisha smelled a rat and had to comment 'Seems your Lord is quick to grant u your heart desire' noticed she said your Lord and not our Lord. that shows skepticism on the part of Aisha.

and Allah being the word of God is a joke.
I took u up on it the last time but u ran away. I hope u stay longer this time.
Now I will bring 3 evidence to prove that Quran cant be from God

Yeah, tongues will wag. But at the end of the day it is a relationship that is permissible in Islam, We can't be wiser than God that permits the relationship. And if you do it without committing adultery with the lady or murdering your adoptive son and not causing their separation by instigating problem between them, then you have no sin in the sight of Allah.

Yeah, Qur'an is a revelation from God of the universe, and Prophet Muhammad is the last prophet of that God. It's ok if Aisha was Jealous, it's a normal thing, She's just being a woman. You can't interpret that as she doubting the prophet hood of her husband.

SIRTee15:
1. Tell me about the men in the cave in surah Al-kahf. who are they in real history?
2. Is Allah all knowing and all powerful? according to the Quran is Allah omniscient and Omnipotent?
3. Is paedophilia a sin according to the Quran? (pls dont bring up age of Aisha here- this is not about Aisha). This is about the Quran.
According to the quran, is paedophilia a sin.
In case u dont know what paedophilia is sexual intercourse btw an adult and a prepubescent girl- a girl who is yet to attain puberty.

The men are some early Christians they happened to have lived during the time of one of the Roman persecutions, they were trying to hide out in the cave and God caused them to sleep for 300 years and they woke up at a time when Christianity had became the religion of the Roman empire. Many historical Christian documents attested to that, they are venerated in some number of churches.
But I trust you to go the way of secular historians that will treat the story as legend and myth. you have done it before, I won't be surprised if you do it again.

Allah is all knowing, all powerful and his knowledge is everywhere.

Having sex with prepubescent girl is a sin in Islam.

SIRTee15:
David was severely punished for the shameful and criminal act. But what about Muhammed?
Muhammed sleeping with his own adopted wife's son is immoral. Even the community frowned at such. Muhammed had to produce a verse to cover his indignity.
What people dont know is that the marriage of Muhammed to zainab led to the the end of adoption in the arab community. Muhammed claimed Allah told him to marry his adopted son's wife to show people that adoption illegal.
So of all ways to prove a point, the best Allah could see is covetousness.

What exactly did David do and how was he punished?

No bro, adoption is not entirely illegal in Islam. They just can't take your name as surname. Make everyone bear him papa name.

The purpose of the marriage was to stressed the fact that if you are not blood related, then you are not blood related and the prophet did not sleep with Zainab while she was married to Zaid, the prophet married Zainab after they were divorced.

And Yeah, Allah gave him permission to marry Zainab. We strongly believe the Qur'an is the word of God. Except if you can prove otherwise.

AntiisIam:
And ye will be three kinds: (First) those on the right hand; what of those on the right hand? And (then) those on the left hand; what of those on the left hand? And the foremost in the race, the foremost in the race: Those are they who will be brought nigh In gardens of delight; A multitude of those of old And a few of those of later time. On lined couches, Reclining therein face to face. There wait on them immortal youths With bowls and ewers and a cup from a pure spring Wherefrom they get no aching of the head nor any madness, And fruit that they prefer And flesh of fowls that they desire. And (there are) fair ones with wide, lovely eyes, Like unto hidden pearls, Reward for what they used to do. There hear they no vain speaking nor recrimination (Naught) but the saying: Peace, (and again) Peace. And those on the right hand; what of those on the right hand? Among thornless lote-trees And clustered plantains, And spreading shade, And water gushing, And fruit in plenty Neither out of reach nor yet forbidden, And raised couches; Lo! We have created them a (new) creation And made them virgins, Lovers, friends, For those on the right hand; A multitude of those of old And a multitude of those of later time.
Quran 56:7-40



It was narrated from Abu Umamah that the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) said: “There is no one whom Allah will admit to Paradise but Allah will marry him to seventy-two wives, two from houris and seventy from his inheritance from the people of Hell, all of whom will have desirable [شَهِيٌّ, translated here as "desirable", is used to refer to "food" that is "delicious, or sweet"] front passages [قُبُلٌ, translated here as "front passages", refers to "the anterior pudendum" or "vulva, and vagina"] and he will have a male member [ذَكَرٌ, translated here as "male member", refers to "the male organ of generation; the penis" and a an adjectival form of the word is used to describe "herbs, or leguminous plants, that are hard and thick that never becomes flaccid (i.e., soft and limp).’”
Sunan Ibn Majah 5:37:4337

I kno you will be thinking u r cooking

Do you see 72 virgins mentioned in the Qur'an verses u quoted?

The Hadith you quoted is a weak hadith that majority of Muslims don't believe in.
This is akin to me telling you Jesus killed someone in infancy Gospel of Thomas.

Dsimmer:
Ode, what did 78:33 say?

Maiden of breasts would be given as sex objects in heaven.

The camel urine drinking Pedophilic Arab terrorist Mohammad knows next to nothing apart from terrorism and sex.

Where in that verse did it say they will be given as sex objects?

They are believing women of this world

Dsimmer:
Qur'an mentioned virgins given as sex objects in heaven 😅 imagine championing worldly desire in a supposed heaven? 😅

The camel urine drinking lunatic Arab terrorist knows nothing apart from terrorism and sex 😅

Qur'an did not mention virgin given as sex objects.
What Qur'an is describing are believing woman of this world.

The least you can do if you want to keep attacking Islam is at least learn a little things about what we believe by actually reading the Qur'an.

So you won't be disgracing ursef like this every time.

AmalaAtiEwedu:
That was then.. not many people were in the world.

in fact, Adam and Eves children married themselves

What is your excuse now?

You may even be banging some if your sisters and say it is allahs will

Yeah not many people were in the world at the time of Abraham. U r more daft than I thought.

And did ur Bible forbid marrying cousins?

Dsimmer:
Of course you're rejecting the Hadith because you're ashamed 😅

Meanwhile, the virgin nonsense was also stated in Qur'an 😅

And I repeat, sun don't set in murky water. Mohammad was so dumb! Mohammad was an Arab terrorist who knows next to nothing apart from terrorism and sex!

Qur'an did not mention any 72 virgins

AmalaAtiEwedu:
Your mother may be your fathers cousin or even niece .

Inbreeding is a norm for you.

You may wait for one of your sisters to have a daughter so that you can marry the daughter when she is 9 years old.

by the time she has her first period she will start having inbreed children for you

U should not have problem with that

According to your Bible

Abraham and Sarah are brother and sister right?

And all these laugh emoji is just presenting u as a fool.

AmalaAtiEwedu:


56 year old man raping a 9 year old is halal in Islam

Mohammed fvcks Aisha was ordained by the idol allah

Just like ur God allowed Israelites to kill Men women, small boys and keep young Virgin girls for themselves?

AmalaAtiEwedu:
Hey Islamic Terrorist Ishmaelite.

Your god is not the God Others worship.

Know the difference between God and your Idol god called allah.

Which idol do you worship?

Dsimmer:
Ode, Sun don't set in water.

Not to mention the nonsensical 72 virgin. Useless pedophile who knows next to nothing apart from terrorism and sex.

Daftinho, no one says it does. The verse was just narrating the experience of an individual just looking at sunset.

And stop repeating this 72 virgins, it's from a weak Hadith. That majority of Muslims don't believe in. I know it's hard to let go for you cause I always see you repeat that on every thread.
But at the end of the day it's just a weak hadith you are throwing around and you are thinking you are bashing Islam.

AmalaAtiEwedu:
Like to kill anyone who opposes Islam?

Who is this again at this odd hours

Go n read about Haman in the book of Esther and Haman in the Qur'an.

Dsimmer:
18:86

Sun sets in murky water 😂

Guy, u r not very smart u know?

Have u ever seen sunsets at a beach?

The verse is narrating the experience of an individual that was at a place and he was observing a sunset.

Dsimmer:
It was added that Ishmael would try attacking everyone (like a terrorist)!

And I repeat, Mohammad couldn't write about his Arab ancestors because he's got nothing to write about the exploits of his Arab ancestors! The Jewish history (Jacob and Jacob's descendants) had nothing to do with the Arab pedophilic terrorist Mohammad!

U are daft.

The reason why God chose the Israelites is for their stories/exploits to serve as lessons for mankind

Qur'an also reference some other Arab prophets like Hud, Salih

There are some instances that the Qur'an narrative go against the Bible narrative of even the Israelites stories. And historically the Qur'an narrative has been proven to be correct.

Dsimmer:
Ode Omo who failed to realize that it was also prophesied that Ishmael would be wild (a terrorist ) and would try attacking everyone. Meanwhile, it was the dumb pedophile Mohammad who said sun sets in murky water 😂 The dumbo.

Point is Mohammad couldn't write about his Arab ancestors because he's got nothing to write about the exploits of his Arab ancestors! The Jewish history (Jacob and Jacob's descendants) had nothing to do with the Arab pedophilic terrorist Mohammad!

Can you quote the verse it says sun set in murky waters?

Dsimmer:
Ode Omo who failed to realize that it was also prophesied that Ishmael would be like a wild dog and would try attacking everyone. Meanwhile, it was the dumb pedophile Mohammad who said sun sets in murky water 😂 The dumbo.

Point is Mohammad couldn't write about his Arab ancestors because he's got nothing to write about the exploits of his Arab ancestors! The Jewish history (Jacob and Jacob's descendants) had nothing to do with the Arab pedophilic terrorist Mohammad!

U are daft

Ishmael was not prophesied to be like a wild dog

The word used was wild donkey, and a wild donkey is not a negative portrayal.

Joseph too was described as a wild ass in the Bible.

Dsimmer:
Ode Omo, then why didn't the camel urine drinking Arab pedophile whose sun sets in murky water talk about the exploits of the descendants of his Ishmael ancestors? Why didn't the Arab pedophile terrorist write about the exploits of his Arab ancestors? Why talk about the Jewish/Israel (Jacob and Jacob's descendants) who are not his ancestors? Ode.

72 virgins kee you there ! Nonsense pedophile!

As daft as you are. U no kno this 72 virgins that you want to make a career out of by repeating it every here and there is from a weak hadith.
That majority of Muslims don't believe in

But you keep repeating it like a dunce that you are.

Dsimmer:
Ode Omo, then why didn't the camel urine drinking Arab pedophile whose sun sets in murky water talk about the exploits
of the descendants of his Ishmael ancestors? Why didn't the Arab pedophile terrorist write about the exploits of his Arab ancestors? Why talk about the Jewish/Israel (Jacob and Jacob's descendants) who are not his ancestors? Ode.

72 virgins kee you there ! Nonsense pedophile!

Ur life don finish

Whose sun set in murky waters? Just keep repeating nonsense like an Imbe~cile.

There is a reason why the Jewish people were chosen.

The reason they were chosen is that God want their exploits to serve as lessons for mankind.

Hence the reason why the Qur'an always referencing them to highlight some things and to pass messages.

Dsimmer:
Ode Omo follower of a camel urine drinking pedophilic Arab Terrorist. Have you drank your own camel urine today, like the lunatic Camel urine drinking Arab terrorist Mohammad asked dumb people like himself to do? 😂

Oponu Omo. Your own sun sets in murky water like the dumb Arab pedophile Mohammad stated. Look at the idiot trying to insert the camel urine drinking Arab pedophilic terrorist into bible. Is he a Jewish or Jacob's descendant? Ode. Meanwhile, I thought the bible was corrupt. Oponu! 72 virgins kee you there! Nonsense pedophile. Note into your stupid pedophilic skull that the Messiah would be Born of a virgin woman and would be from the lineage of the Israelites! Definitely not Mohammad who's an Arab man. In fact, Mohammad should have simply faced his own Arab lineage and write about them but I guess the dumb idiot had nothing to write about the exploits of his Arab ancestors. Lol. Thus he had to write about the Jewish (Jacob and Jacob descendants) who are not his ancestors! Shior.

Oloshi

Prophet Muhammad was descendant of Abraham. It was Abraham God had covenant with.

Here in Gen 17:18 Abraham praying to God concerning Ishmael

"And Abraham said to God, “Oh, that Ishmael might live before You!”

And this is God response to his prayer

"And as for Ishmael, I have heard you: I will surely bless him; I will make him fruitful and will greatly increase his numbers. He will be the father of twelve rulers, and I will make him into a great nation"

dunce do you think the great nation God promise Ishmael here will be a misguided nation?

Oponu

Dsimmer:
Your useless camel urine drinking dumb self like the lunatic camel urine drinking Arab pedophilic terrorist Mohammad don't even have anything to say over the fact that Arab terrorists stole Northern Africa while murdering northern Africans!

A lunatic like yourself championing pedophilia while wailing because Europeans drove out nonsensical terrorists out of their European land. You dey mad!

Eleribu was just making stuff up in his head and presenting it as history.

Go and sleep werey.

Whether you like it or not Prophet Muhammad is the Prophet God sent to all of mankind. He is the son of man of book of Daniel.

He is the prophet like Moses of deut 18:18

He is the servant of Isaiah 42.


U can wail and rant a little now.

[quote author=Dsimmer post=131689194][/quote]When exactly in history did this genocidal stealing take place in North Africa.

And who are the reputable scholars that wrote about it?

I want to learn history from you werey.

Dsimmer:
The article I posted was talking about the atrocities of the Arab terrorists in Hindu region. So you can see the terror is all over the world.

Btw, you're quite stupid if you don't know about the Arab conquest of the northern Africa. You dey mad?

U are just dumb and stupid at the same time. Let's take it one at a time.

When we are through with north Africa, we will move to your other Hindu nonsense.

Don't mumble everything together like ur Christianity/IFA belief werey.

Dsimmer:
Ode, you didn't know Arab terrorists stole Northern Africa which includes Egypt while murdering the northern Africans? Heck, the Arab didn't want to stop slave trading 🙄

U see say ur own don spoil finish?
U just pull one article wey no get head, wey no get tail. U are presenting that as evidence.

When exactly in history did the Arabs steal north Africa from the indigenous people?