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AbuUthaymeen:
n0t all quran verse applies to ummah of rasul. . .for example, ALLAH said, musa people should kill themselves because of their sin so that he could forgive them. . .why d0nt u too kill yourself so that u will be forgiven? ... and on the issue of jews and christians... they are out of aqeedah of muslims.. believing in ALLAH alone doesnt make u a muslim.. ALLAH, ANGELS, HOLY BOOKS, PROPHETS, LAST DAY AND QADAR(both g0od and bad) . . to disbelieve in 1 is to disbelieve in all ... k

And I deliberately used submitting to d will of Allah and not believe in Allah(Salam d root word for submission in Arabic).
Muslim =ones who submits himself.


so if you submit yourself to d will of Allah, you definitely believe in all d articles of faith without any one being exempted.
Kapish?

AbuUthaymeen:
n0t all quran verse applies to ummah of rasul. . .for example, ALLAH said, musa people should kill themselves because of their sin so that he could forgive them. . .why d0nt u too kill yourself so that u will be forgiven? ... and on the issue of jews and christians... they are out of aqeedah of muslims.. believing in ALLAH alone doesnt make u a muslim.. ALLAH, ANGELS, HOLY BOOKS, PROPHETS, LAST DAY AND QADAR(both g0od and bad) . . to disbelieve in 1 is to disbelieve in all ... k

The issue of Musa's ppl is actually off(entirely off), you still need more understanding of d Quran.




The Musa's ppl that were ordered to kill themselves were d Calf worshippers and Indeed Allah brought then back to life , it is evident in d next verse that follows DAT one.

So I don't understand why you made reference to d issue of Musa's people.

AbuUthaymeen:
AND THOSE QURAN VERSES YOU QUOTED DOESNT APPLY TO THE CHRISTIANS AND JEWS DURING RASUL ERA ... as l0ng as u meet rasul, and u died n0t believing in rasul, u a kafir .... every0ne alive during rasul pr0pheth0od and didnt f0ll0w him is a kafir.. rasul also said that even if m0ses is alive, he will f0ll0w him(rasul) . . even when nabiy eesa even comes back- he will be an ahlu sunnah. . .0m0 leyin anabi muhammad. . . . . . . . .j.4wde

Lol , doesn't apply to Christians and Jews during Rasul's era.

So you are saying d Quran i s no longer a kitaab of d past , present and future?
Limiting d message of d Quran to one era?

AbuUthaymeen:
WHICH MUSLIM DID I KAL KAFIR? and have i ever call other people here a kafir? . .kilode ti o n pa iro. .ko daa na. . . . . . . and you talk of believing in ALLAH. . . . .and rasul. . . . . . . . . . . . . . why would s0me0ne wh0 said he believe in ALLAH worship ALLAH with what ALLAH didnt c0mmand?? trying to say that you are wiser than ALLAH abi? . . why would s0meone who said he believe in rasul do everything rasul didnt do to worship ALLAH? trying to say that ALLAH make mistake abi? and that rasul didnt deliver islam message to us like he is instructed abi? huh- ggdg

Hey, seems you didn't understand my post.

You attack someone that submit himself to d will of Allah by calling him kafir and you think you are not referring to all of us that submit ourselves to d will of Allah?
Think again.

"Indeed, those who believe , and
those who are Jews, and the Christians and the Sabians , any who believe in God and the Last Day, and work righteousness, shall have their reward with their Lord; on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve."[Quran 2:62]
"Indeed, those who believe , and those who are Jews, and the Sabians and the Christians , any who believe in God and the Last Day, and work righteousness,- on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve."[Quran 5:69]

Even in the Quran, Allah said d reward of those who are not even in anyway Muslims (Swabians and Jews) are with him, but yet you call those in d fold of Islam Kaafir?
Do you know more than Allah?

By tomorrow Insha Allah I'll be explaining who a kafir is with evidence from d Quran.

AbuUthaymeen:
AV READ ALL YOUR ACCUSATIONS ON JABATA. . JUST BRING PROOF FR0M QURAN AND HADITH THAT IS AGAINST EACH AND EVERY ACCUSATIONS YOU MADE ON JABATA. . and explain. . lobatan

Insha Allah I'll do this, but not tonight.

AbuUthaymeen:
WHY do u like telling lies? kilode ti e ma n pa iro naa? ki le fe gain ni ibe? haba. . emi nikan ni muslim? when did i say that? i never said that . . and people i have make takfir of is just empiree, al baqir, abdel kabir . . lobatan . . even you that u a sufi i cant sare kal u kafir na . . until u fufil all the conditi0ns of being a kafir i can make takfir of u na. .

I can relate with all d people u mentioned aqeedah, because we all believe in the oneness of Allah and that Muhammad(SAW) is d messenger of Allah.

So an attack on a part of Muslims is an attack on All us Muslims.

You see y I say, according to you d rest of us are kafirs?

AbuUthaymeen:
AND WHY IS JABATA A KHAWARIJ? please prove it

He holds people of misguidance to be his role model e.g. Rabee’ Al-Madkhali who is even a Jahmiy and ‘Ubayd al-Jaabiree who is an unrepentant sorcerer.
Jabata and his gang have extreme levels of ignorance just like the ignorance of the first generation of Khawaarij. An example of this is that they call themselves ‘Salaf’ and they call the pious predecessors ‘Salafiyyuun’.
Jabata has a supportive position of the Saudi Mushrik regime who permit grave-worship, Ribaa (interest), Maolid Nabiyy and allow the Raafidha in the Madeenah of the Messenger. Although he does Takfeer of some of the Kufr regimes (e.g. Nigeria), but, he is always in agreement in praising and supporting the Saudi regime publicly. What is however surprising is that he had once said that though the Saudi regime rules with other than Allah’s law and it’s kufr akbar but, if one is not capable of fighting them and he does so then, those who do so are Khawaarij and disbelievers.
He declares noble acts of worship as innovations due to his extreme ignorance examples are Jihaad, supplicating for one’s brother in his presence, to say Aameen to Du’aa’ etc. He also declares eating with spoon bid’ah and whoever insists on it becomes a Kaafir.
He holds the belief that all bid’ah is Kufr and Shirk, thus all innovators are Kuffaar even the innovators does not commit Shirk only that he counts his dhirk with beads.
And from his excessiveness in the religion of Allaah is that he established a deviant sect and named it “Firqatun-Naajiyah”, he also designed a logo and banner for it. And several other innovations of this man.















First point.


“And indeed they knew that the buyers of it (magic) would have no share in the Hereafter. And how bad indeed was that for which they sold their own selves, if they but knew.” (Quran 2:102)

Allah is against sorcery and Jabata takes a known sorcerer as a role model.

AbuUthaymeen:
WHO IS A MUSLIM THAT I CALLED KAFIR? CONCENSUS OF SCHOLAR HAS NO PROOF IN ISLAM. .7

Lol according to you, you are d only one that is Muslim here on Islam section, d rest of us are kafirs.

AbuUthaymeen:
IF YOU KN0W THE US0OL OF BOKO HARAM. . U WILL KN0W THEY ARE ABSOLUTELY N0T A MUSLIM TALKLESS OF BEING COMPARED TO SALAF. . . . . . . . . boko haram= khawarij. boko haram = seyid kutub and hassanbana. . . boko haram calls muslims a kafir, boko haram are always fighting government, they critisize, protest, they kill muslims, they believe everybody is kafir except them... they are no way a muslim . . why would you call salaf a khawarij? all we c0uld do is just to make takfir of kafir and explain the deen........... its when we have amir . .then its him that will make punishment on unbelievers

Lol you also call muslims kafirs, so what's d difference?
So you didn't know the consensus of scholars have actually declared d Jabata you follow a khawarij?

You ppl are not salads though, you just like ascribing d salaf name to yourselves.

AbuUthaymeen:
Why na. . when did i say i cant w0rk with you? rasul did business with kafir na. . and besides, whats the name of the m0sque? am having a work in progress at bolanle area. . going there t0m0rw. . u osogbo based? . .v t

The mosque doesn't have a name per se, it's in a petrol Station.
The mosque is majorly a jumat mosque (not too far from that Bolanle self), so you may not really meet ppl, if u come outside of Jum'at.







Not really Osogbo based, but I've been spending a lot of time in Osogbo these days.






Well, if any works shows up and I'm sure u can handle them , I'll Holland @ you.

AbuUthaymeen:
LAUGHING. . EVEN SHIA CALL THEMSELVES AHLU SUNNAH. . ITS WHAT YOU SAY AND DO THAT MAKES YOU AN AHLU SUNNAH . . . AND WHAT QUESTION WILL I ASK? AND, IF AM N0T BUSY, I MIGHT COME. . anyway, i am plumber by profession, hala at me if there is plumbing w0rks in your capacity. .GXM

OK.
just come.








I actually have some works in my capacity, but you don't work with people that you think are not Salafi.

So you may not be able to work with me.

AbuUthaymeen:
Nice. . just try to attend sunni lectures there o. . I go like to kum dea.. help me with visa

Guy come to Leisure springs hotel next week Friday.
There is this mosque I'll take you too, it's you ppl that call yourselves Ahlusunnah's mosque , so no need to worry.

Just come on Friday , there are questions and answer sections,although d Imam's opinions are sometimes off, but he'll be able to explain some things to you.

Your own belief is extremely unislamic, that's how bokoharam and Isis started.

Kayberry101:
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Lol
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Empiree:
He doesn't know what he is talking about. He is unbridled ignorant. As you can see, he can no longer defend essence of this thread. He is shifting goal post

lol
I just weak for d guy, he's still under jabata's influence.
.Something tells me he'll soon break free, if he's willing to learn.

salam1:
stop misleading people did u read the instruction b4 written the computer skill test?

Sorry, I thought it's better to be safe than sorry.
I'm not for Nteach though, so I don't know.

mightyrocket:
So we are to ignore the second test if we didn't register for any skill?

No, you have to answer it.

It's a must for N-teach applicants.

who is she? where are her pictures?

AhluSunnah:
1ST TIME I CALLED HIM, I ASKED ABOUT EATING P0NMO. .THAT DOES IT FALL INTO THE MEAT WE SHOULDNT EAT SINCE WE DO N0T KN0W THE WAY THE "MEAT" WAS SLAUGHTERED(by muslim or kafir n0r bismillah is said) . .av heard his lectures 0n it. .and i already kn0w the answer. . just felt like asking

What was his reply?

AhluSunnah:
ALMOST M0ST C0MM0N MASALAH HAS BEEN DISCUSED AND I STIL DOWNLOAD LECTURES. .DURING QUES AND ANS SESSI0N TOO, I LEARN ALOT. BESIDES,WHEN S0METHING HAS PR0OF IN KITAB WA SUNNAH, WHICH QUESTION I WANA ASK AGAIN? . . .and i have jabata number. . . . sufi ni adam ..and he died a member of sufi. .he died a kafir

Hmm I see, Sufi ni Adam, so He is not a Muslim your logic.
Sufi ni Sheik Blala so he's not a Muslim

Sufi ni Baba lagbaji in Ilorin so he's not a Muslim

Sufi ni sheikh Kamaldeen so he's not a Muslim.

All those foremost sheiks are not Muslims lol
Even Usman Danfoyidio is not a Muslim cos He i s Sufi.

Lol

Lol.





Bro , did you or do you attend any madrasah?
I don't mean mosque this time.

AbuUthaymeen:
GATHER KE? ALL I DO IS LISTEN TO JABATA AND OTHER SUNNI LECTURES O. . I BEEN WAN GO THE AHLU SUNNA WA JAMAH M0SQUE WEY DEY ILUDUN SIDE. . THE DAY I STOPPED GOING IS THE DAY THEY SAID ADAM ABDULAH IS A MUSLIM. . . .and when i had a c0nversati0n with my elder br0 who is a sufi, he said their leader(fodil by name) do kum do kubura with them. . . . as i dey al0ne. .me myself, i am jammah coz am f0ll0wing kitab wa sunnah

Hahaha No wonder.

So how do you ask questions?

So sheikh Adam is not a Muslim?
He's a xtain abi?

AbuUthaymeen:
I LIVE @ AYETORO. .. .JUST CALL. . I DO N0T HAVE M0SQUE O. WIL SO MUCH LOVE TO WELCOME YOU

number copied.
Edit it
Lol @ no mosque, where then do you ppl gather to learn?

GAZZUZZ:
where all those girls with 2 groundnut for chest de? See solution o

Its expensive.
But I don't believe mos of d pictures.
Compare those pics to Bruce Jenner's and you'll spot d difference.

Some of d pics are real while others are not

AbuUthaymeen:
ODEMESUE KARKAMAYA

You are not serious.
Where is your mosque in Osogbo, I'll love to visit you guys and see you guys for real.

Your ideology is a very funny one

artificial humans

Interesting comments, I didn't read d blog though.

npowerng:
www.npower.gov.ng

N-power, I don't think this is d test link.

Starting a new commercial project. Broilers or Boilers. Strictly Organic

Starting a new commercial project. Broilers or Boilers.

tintingz:
Lol, this is not only Wikipedia thing. People say Eledumare, you are the first person I heard it is a corrupt version, are you the one that corrupt it?

You said there is nothing like Eledumare, I mention wizkid songs "Eledumare" to show you people make use of it.

Eledumare is even shorten to "Edumare".

So anybody that said Eledumare is a kid, smh, it shows the level of your brain is low.


You must be very stupid for saying this, You do not know and I am trying to educate you.



A Yoruba Muslim can use Olorun for Allah since that's his language but originally Olorun and Allah are not the same, Allah is an Arabian traditional God while Olorun is yoruba traditional God.


It's either you are intentionally stupid for saying this or you are ignorant.
Originally Olohun and Allah are not d same Allah is Arabaian traditional God?
How much more stupid can you be?

This shows that you do not even know anything about
And point of correction it is Olohun and not Olorun(I've be using Olohun throughout my posts) and you keep using Olohun, it means you are intentionally daft.


If you still argue Olorun is the same as Allah, then you are accepting Allah has children and he didn't create Adam and Eve but started his creation in ile ife with chicken, corn, sand.

So. because Okuta for stone is Yoruba. then the Okwute which is also for stone in Igbo is different?

Are u sure you are alright at all?
This is not Wikipedia opinion, it is Yoruba traditional belief(go do your research) Wikipedia don't post opinions but compilation of books, articles with references, were you not thought Yoruba in school? If you have problem with Wikipedia I can provide you evidence from another sites

Are u really stupid or just playing dumb?
Wikipedia doesn't post opinions?
If you have an account with wikipedia, you can edit things as much as you like on d website.

I am a full blooded Yoruba, a student of nature an everyday learner of d language.

That shows I am more qualified to discuss this topic than you.

tintingz:
The first men were ignorant and thinks entities were behind everything, they started ascribing the sun to be god, the moon to be god, the air to be god, nature to be god, trees to be god, heroes to gods etc that's how gods were created and beliefs are polytheistic.

Men were ignorant, they can't explain many things, so they turn phenomenal event into gods with myth stories. You should ask yourself why god character is different in all tribe, the mythology stories are different and base on their culture. You should ask yourself why these mythical stories that happened in ancient days don't occur in this technology, scientific age?

Believing in god is the nature of ancient ignorant men not ascribe to all men in this age.

I don't really want to say this, but you seem very slow.
The early men were ignorant?
I laugh at you in Chinese.
You are so so so wrong.
The most knowledgeable men have been lost to history.

The earliest men had contact with God and they passed on the knowledge to their offsprings
As normal in oral traditions, there are always meant to be inclusion and omission.
This is why d prophets were sent, to correct these wrong notions.
Despite that some ppl still go off d grid, and some stayed in line.