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KingEbukaNaija:
How can they ? Its only evil they want to associate God with . Christ gave us the greatest commandment which is to love one another but none of them seems to care . If we loved one another as he had commanded , they'd be peace and happiness in this world . But no , how could they .

God gave life and if he takes the life of his own creation , God becomes evil ? Does that make any sense to anyone ?

What evil can be greater torturing people(even children) for all eternity?

winner01:
Ranchhoddas, if you have an iota of honesty left in you and are not just in a haste to make christianity wrong in your heart, you will understand the bolded.

Your God has promised to torture people for countless trillions of years regardless of how they lived their just for not accepting Jesus (without proof). How can you not see the evil in that?

KingEbukaNaija:
Anything against Christ for you guys is fascinating even bestiality

Ever seen any thread by a non Christian thanking God for life or giving us a foundation for morality or admitting that Christ's teachings were good?

When that happens then I'll address the topic

Very cheap cop-out. The only Christian I trust on this forum, the only I'm sure will go to Heaven( if there's a Heaven) should come and help us abeg. Cc Image123

KingEbukaNaija:
Fixed that for you





He is a deist then . I am working on questioning the deists we have on this forum . Not in a bad way though

He is a deist and he sees the bible as fictional . If the bible is fictional , then it means he sees the Christian God as fictional - this simply exculpates the fictional character from any murder accusations .

This is too simple na , why the obfuscation ?

I don't think deism totally qualifies him. Read his old posts if you are interested(they are quite fascinating)....The character isn't fictional to you, so you should address the message instead of the messenger.

KingEbukaNaija:
If you are not an atheist , what are you ?

Atheist megalomaniac Hitler did= over 20 million - since God according to you is fictional .

Its a daft question seeing the OP is an atheist .

Fictional characters can't kill .

I am a Christian in transition. I have no label yet. The OP on the other hand is not atheist at all. I have read his debates with atheists. I have known him for quite a while. He is not atheist (something you and winner01 would have observed if you had taken time to go through his post). He believes, sorry knows there is a First Cause, he just doesn't agree it's the God you and yours guys preach. He's does not expect to defend God. He expects to defend the Christian God.

Bandeco:
Brother your argument is ridiculous. When you argue also leave room for the possibility of learning. That's one of the essence of argument. Let me spare some of my limited time to educate you on this topic you are hell bent on arguing when it is apparent u are arguing on the basis of ignorance and what u imagine/think (not what you know). I hope my submission will take you out of this deep pit of ignorance u re wallowing in. If it doesn't, then, am sorry!

Before I start, I am a Christian like yo. Two of my siblings are Muslims. I live in northern Nigeria (atleast for the next 8months)

First, Allah means God in Arabic
Yahweh in Hebrew
Dieu in French etc etc
Both Christianity and Islam are two of the 3 Abrahamic faiths (Islam, Christianity, Judaism). They worship the same God (Allah, Yahweh, Dieu, olorun etc) BUT in different ways of worship and different beliefs and doctrine. Just like within the Christian fold, we hv different beliefs, doctrine, ways of prayer etc etc

The fundamental differences between both religions are
1) Islam believes that Jesus Christ was just a great prophet of Allah /God. NOT God. They believe Jesus Christ is not the son of God(that God does not have a son) ; That Jesus was never killed, that God/Allah raised him alive to heaven when he was about to be killed by exchanging him with a look-alike. They believe the message(gospel) Jesus came to propagate is for the Jews.. Muslims loves and respect Jesus Christ (Isa)

2) Islam believes that Muhammad( a 7th century Arabian prophet) is the last prophet of God/Allah (seal of the prophet). They believe that the message sent to Muhammad is for the entirety of mankind. Christianity doesn't not recognize Muhammad whatsoever.

3) Islam believes in the oneness of God/Allah. He has no son, he is incomparable to anyone, anything. On the other hand Christianity, Christianity also believes that God is one but also exist in 3 forms (trinity), God the Father, God the son and God the Holy Spirit( Just like water can exist in gaseous, liquid and solid forms). Islam utterly reject this concept. To them it is a blasphemy.

4) Islam prays 5times daily. Before prayer it is mandatory to wash legs, hands, face etc (ablution)
The Muslim saying that THERE'S IS NO GOD BUT ALLAH AND MUHAMMAD IS HIS MESSENGER shedadah(I hope I spelt it correctly) is the bedrock of the religion of Islam. Believing and confessing this makes you a Muslim. Just like what qualifies you as a Christian is the believe in the death and resurrection of Christ Jesus for the atonement of our sin. When Muslims worldwide are about to pray, this(shedadah) is the FIRST confession they make before anything else. These two confessions doesn't in anyway vitiate the idea of worship of the same God/Allah in both religion

**Similarities in believes
1) Muslims believes that Jesus is the messiah and in the second coming of Jesus towards the end of the world to destroy the antichrist. And in his second coming he will deny Christians and rebuke them for saying his God/ son of God . If you ask a learned Muslim, why is it not Muhammad that will come to destroy antichrist, he/she will most likely replied that amongst all the prophet of God (from Abraham - Ibrahim to Muhammad) only Jesus Christ didn't die on earth (contrary to Christian believe), Allah raise him alive to himself to heaven.
2) Muslim believe in the virgin birth of Jesus by Mary. They believe Jesus perform miracles too all by the power of Allah. In semblance to the Catholic doctrine, Islam respect Mary alot, they believe she was a virtuous woman. Infact a whole chapter/book in the Koran is named after her - Maryum.
The Koran agrees to some of the bible account of event /story but also contradicts some other stories.
Some Christian scholars thinks that the Koran was a work of plagiarism from the bible.

This is the second time you are insulting me on this thread. You are full of yourself and I did not read your crap. This is from gotquestions (A website most Christians refer to)....http://www.gotquestions.org/same-God.html

KingEbukaNaija:
Bro . Let me get this straight . Is it wrong simply because its gross ?

Among other things... It's rape, it's illegal, and downright disgusting.

It's totally wrong. Absolutely gross. Can't even imagine. 5000 shades of sick.

winner01:
Ranchhoddas, your guy is not in the same page with you .

Hahahaha


Keep spitting hate, i dey laff you.

Keep on pretending that you do not understand the topic you hear. I now see you for what you truly are.

winner01:
What doed supreme being, creator of the universe and intelligence behind the universe have to do with this context?

Did you read through the thread atall? Or are you just looking for what to say?

Maybe you should just go cool off somewhere abeg, your brain don dey overheat.

This is an attempt at evading the OP. Anyway, I knew you were going to do it. I am not totally suprised.

KingEbukaNaija:
An atheist who believes there is no good or evil wants to know who killed more between a supposed fictional character and an evil atheist megalomaniac and blood thirsty vampire Hitler ?

So much for logical reasoning .

Atheist Hitler obviously killed more - 20 million - and fictional character killed none . How can someone who you say does not exist kill someone


Ranchhoddas , this is why I atheistic beliefs can stand logic and reasoning . Your questions do make sense

For the umpteenth time, I am not an atheist and neither is the OP. Now address the topic.

winner01:
Maybe you are a bit tipsy tonight.
If you cant see that His post and this thread in general is a bid to mock God.

Who mentioned intelligence behind the universe?
How old are you sef?

Dishonesty is what I have I come to expect from you and your kind. ''The Supreme Being'' and ''The Creator of the Universe'' does not equate the Intelligence behind the Universe to you abi? I am not suprised. Even your brother KingEbukaNaija has somehow managed to dodge this thread. He's usually your forerunner on threads like this.

winner01:
Cry me a river.

The height of folly is to compare God with man and expect me to take you seriously.

This is disgraceful. His comment was against the Christian faith and not the Intelligence behind the universe. Stop playing ostrich abeg.

winner01:
Which ones?
The ones deliberately reported by nairaland?

I won't respond again until you go and defend Christianity on that other thread about Hitler and your God.

Rossikk:
My friend it WAS YOU and your FELLOW FOREIGN CHRISTIAN NUTTERS who ''created God'' IN YOUR STUPI.D, SILLY IMAGE - an image of a vengeful, wicked, mean-spirited, bloodthirsty ''God'' who tortures children and condemns humans to eternal suffering. YOU AND YOUR FOREIGN MASTERS INVENTED that ''God''. Your wicked 'God' of the bible.

Our ancestors here in Africa knew NOTHING about this INVENTED deity of yours. They KNEW God of course. Thousands of years before your white masters existed. And they RIGHTLY knew him to be 'remote' from human affairs. It was YOUR COLONIAL MASTERS that came here with their wicked christian ''God'' who interferes in peoples' lives, makes 'commandments', orders mass rap.e, orders massacres, threatens ''hellfire'' and other INVENTED RUBBISH like having a special "son", sorry, an 'only' son (I wonder what that makes us. His 'slaves', I guess...rubbish) who he had to have murdered and sacrificed to him, in order for him to be able to 'forgive' us, (which wasn't much of a 'sacrifice', since he supposedly woke up on the third day and flew back up to heaven). Just fanciful, idiotic horse manure. Stories meant for children. Garbage which a full grown man like you is carrying around in his head.

So don't you DARE accuse us of ''trying to reduce God to a man so we can judge''. It was YOU and YOUR CHRISTIAN ILK who ''reduced God to a man'', and imbued THE Supreme Being, the creator of the universe, with the characteristics of mere mortals, like wickedness, jealousy, vengeance, and blood lust. UNDERSTOOD? COMPRENDE?

Damn cheek.

Thank you for this thread. Thank you for putting them in their place. This thread should be on the front page...Lalasticlala, Seun.

winner01:
lol ok.

If you were really against all religion, you'd also be against the african traditional religions and not just christianity.

Cry all you want. You wish will rot in you.

Is this all the response that you could muster? You are a big disappoinment. After all the mouth you don make for here. I feel like crying for you. Shiorrrr.

winner01:
Why not lets look at the population of atheist to theists world wide.

Why do 99.9 percent of criminals apprehended blame the devil? Could it because they are atheists?

winner01:
This is by no means the full list of the attrocities commited by atheists. These are just the ones I can lay my hands on at the moment.

I'm only trying to educate the atheists who antagonize peoples of faith and think religion (especially islam), has a monopoly of violence.

We dont get such info. here often, and so if you will, please relax and let people find out the hoplessness offered by atheism.

Please your next thread should be on the ratio of atheists to theists in prisons worldwide. That shouldn't be hard.

KingEbukaNaija:
It is me . Who else talks like that I love using of these fancy words

Really ?Were you the one I quoted at first?

KingEbukaNaija:
Let's discuss : How on earth did this young man arrive at this conclusion . I'm amazed . Albert Einstein Jnr ?


Yeah , it is was written



yh ... yh ... means what ?



Then how did you get to this ? Just how ? If someone has a detailed explanation of his experience then according to the atheist you are not sure of what was experienced ? WoW ! I envy your sense of reasoning



He just made everything worse by given a "pellucid" explanation.

But you deserve a round of applause . Its not easy at all . "A. Einstein moments" are really rare these days

Wow. Did my comment get to you? Are you also having doubts?

sekundosekundo:
Since there's no God but Allah, Pls I don't know the meaning of Allah, can you tell me the English name of Allah.

Is Mohammed Jehovah's prophet?

rosalieene:
go and ask a staunch Muslim. Tho they might not agree. Jesus was mentioned in the quoran several times. The problem Muslims have with Christians is that Christians worship Jesus but Muslims believe Jesus is only a messenger and not a messiah

When you go to church do you pray to Allah? Is Muhammed Jehovah's prophet?

Bandeco:
Sorry to say, stop making urself look stupid... Amberon is right. You are wrong, You are wrong and uninformed.

When christians go to church on sundays, do you ever imagine that they sing and dance and pray to Allah?

whocanbewho:
what are you saying? There's nothing like deities in islam or Christianity. Both religions are based on the fact that you serve the Almighty God without any partners... And as per yahweh/jehovah, I hope u knw dis are hebrew words and allah is an Arabic word. That doesn't mean they have different meanings. This is just like you saying God in English is different from olorun in yoruba.

Semantic bollock.THERE IS NO GOD BUT ALLAH AND MUHAMMAD IS HIS PROPHET. Is Muhammed Yahweh's prophet?

malvisguy212:
does the Genesis account disagree with the big bang ?

Without any modifications. Yes it does. Plants did not exist before the sun and the universe wasn't created in six days.

rosalieene:
Allah is same God of the Christians.

I totally disagree.

omojeesu:
There are differences relating to Allah's hell and Bible's hell.

http://answering-islam.org/authors/shamoun/rebuttals/zawadi/muslims_in_hell.html

The formers says ALL Muslims will go to hell FIRST until the good ones are brought out by their Lord according to his assessment of their works.

The latter says ALL IN CHRIST at death go to be with the Lord DIRECT, not even paradise which Christians generally believe is empty after Jesus rose from the dead.

At Rapture the living and dead believers get Christ post resurrect like bodies!

My point exactly.

whocanbewho:
muslim, hindu, Christian... there's only one God..

Not true. Allah,Krishna, Yahweh Sango, Amadioha, Odin, Domino Reverad are not the same character.

whocanbewho:
Muslims believe in jesus, david, solomon, isaac, jacob, Abraham, adam and every other prophet mentioned in the bible. You know this, don't you?

Agreed. But are their deities the same? Is Allah the same guy as Yahweh/Jehovah? The answer is no.

dorox:
I guess you were hoping to get a different answer that fits into your stereotype of what a christian believe should be regarding creation.

Not 'should be'. 'Is'. Anything different is a modification brought by people like you to conform to modern scientific realities. Unless you want to claim that the Holy Spirit revealed this 'new discoveries' to you. After scientists had already done so.

farouk0403:
Allah is an Arab word while God is an English word

The difference between the two religion is:

1) Christians says Jesus is a son of God while Muslims says Jesus is a prophet and a servant of God.

2) Christians did not believe in prophet Muhammad while Muslims believe in prophet Muhammad (S.A.W)

3) Christians did not believe in Quran while Muslims believe in bible ( old testament).

This is besides the point. Is Allah the same person as Yahweh?

Afrokan:
We both live in Africa, where Poverty, Disease and Suffering is the norm, We should both pity each other.

Hilarious