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shadeyinka:
The Christian position is NOT based on FEAR! However, in other to reach Atheists, I am compelled to discuss spiritual things purely by RATIONAL means to Atheists like you (...something you can relate with).

this is where you missed the point...

An Agnostic Atheist is still an Atheist as far as I am concerned for every Agnostic Atheist I know are NOT LOOKING for God! They have concluded that He doesn't Exist.

did i say i'm not an atheist?
Agnostic atheist=doesnt know if God(s) created/believes the authentic God is unknowable but is certain the ones presented are fake until indisputably proven otherwise...

If indeed God is Love would it be morally right for Him to COMPEL YOU to be under His kingdom and rule for Eternity: knowing that for the 70-99 years you spent on Earth you actually despised His control over you?

i ask again...
Would it be morally right for him to send my daughter to an eternal burning lake of fire for stealing #100 from me;my own hard earned salary?

So, still on a rational plane:
Theists could be wrong about everything AND
Atheists too could be wrong at everything

Who stands the chance of Great LOSS?

i ask...and answer sincerely
Have u considered the possibility of going to allah's hell?
Zoroaster's hell?
Hades? But to mention a few...
I also ask again...
If i told you i can make stars in my house...will u believe me outrightly??

I don't know if there is a God + Not Searching for Him=Perpetual Ignorance

i ask again...
What/who is God?
Uve not answered a single thing bruh...
Ure mixing your beliefs...

analice107:
No, Its not a sin to ask questions about our Bible.

so??

We as Christians are actually enjoined to prepare to give answers as to why we believe what we believe, but wen confronted with infantile outbursts in the guise of questions, it becomes a waste of time to even attempt giving those answers.

define infantile,,,outbursts,,and guise..and relate to the initial quote.....
Then ask yourself who should be caned!

You for one, are a master at Shifting the goal post, and that doesn't show any sign of maturity or intelligence.

says someone who left the issue at hand because you had no answers...

An intelligent person holds an idea or an argument, presenting strong points within the confines of that argument to end.

wahala!
The verses i gave was it or was it not from the bible?
Did i quote from the tanakh?
Or is the bible no longer the ''infallible'' and ''supreme'' word of ''god''..?

But you? Not so.

simply put..u could not explain your precious bible and had to deviate on the long run..
BTW..is it that once someone doesnt conform to what you say he becomes unintelligent?
Or if he does not swallow your story ''hook,line and sinker'' he comes a dummy?
Whats intelligent in a talking snake BTW ?

analice107:
You lied in that, you said, you are comfortable with your Atheists stance. But You don't realize how fidgety you appear here on NL.

is this your idea of a joke?
Or u just wanted to say something?

Your insecurity almost makes you violent.

actually..i think youre the insecure party here...seems we are shaking your faith...huh??

If face to face you can hit someone.

did the ''holy spirit smoke direct you to say this or you just spewed it out from your ignorance?

You are fighting so hard to convince yourself that these things are what you want them to be, and you are having a hard time keeping still, because deep down you know they not what you want them to be.

please try and make sense...
Warrisdis

this here shd be your attitude. Me, for one, do not believe in reincarnation, and not for once will u see me bantering those who believe in it, Never. It's stupid for me to. That's how i see it

why do u preach to muslims? Et all?

It simply doesn't exist. That's it. I move on.

like i said...
Spider man doesnt exist..and theres no ''law'' on earth that prevents me from insulting spiderman...no matter the amount of persons who believe he saves nyc...

But you? Check how frantic you are, how angry and hysterical you are against this none existing God.

is this the holy spirit talking?
Or your confused state?

Am beginning to get concern that some folks need to have their heads checked. No offence.

i begin to wonder if this holy spirit who's supposedly in devout christians is even there at all.
Why dont you ask him? Or it?

dadabashua1:
is better u mention the sex hormones even with that they can't be refred to as love hormones... talking of the progesterone, oestrogen etc

''bond'' hormones would be better?
The main shvt in a relationship is the ''bond''

analice107:
you lie. You are hunted.

what did i lie on/about?

analice107:
You know? Most time i get angry at myself for answering you, Oh wait... am not answering you for you, am doing it for those who read.

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contradiction - /kɒntrəˈdɪkʃ(ə)n/ noun 1. a combination of statements, ideas, or features
which are opposed to one another.
Happy?

If only you know how Childish you sound. Athiest claim intelligence, but you are ...

it seems asking questions and quoting from your same holy book is becoming a ''sin'' these days..
Right?

dadabashua1:
lol....are we talking about pregnant woman during birth.. funny sha

oxytocin is ''general''
there no distinct ''chemo'' for relationships another for se.x etc

dadabashua1:
can you give me the scientific prove behind love...how does it come to existence pls....? I want evidence not natural slogan

comon bro'..
Oxytocin...

This is why i love the bible!

analice107:
why do you talk about stuff you know nothing about?

this is an absurd claim...
Claims should be backed up with indisputable proofs..

Jeremiah:31:31
Jeremiah:31:32
Jeremiah:31:33
Jeremiah:31:33
Hebrews:8:7
Hebrews:8:9
Hebrews:8:10
Hebrews:8:11

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in psalm 18:30,,19:7...it is said the law of god is always ''perfecto''
in jesus's sermon at the mount..matt 5:17--...your son of god said the law is perfect and everlasting...and who ever teaches otherwise is doomed..
Are u no more a listener of yeshua?
Also yahweh himself affirmed yeshua's statements about the law in 1 chroni 16:15 and in deut 7:9
so

If you can manage to read this, try.

oh yeah!..i did..thats why the bible is a book of ''errors''..
Wait wait...since he made a new convenant..why are you then bound by the ten commandments?
Im missing something here..??

Edek27:

So u an atheist is now arguing d bible with me
U've got to be kidding me.

this is a really silly comment..
This is a public forum..i'd advice u think and select your words bit by bit

He died to set us free from our sins. He sacrificed himself for us.Dat Oga is an ACT of love. Pls stop misunderstanding English.

this is quite silly..
The animals sacrificed to yahweh..are their deaths an act of love...or an appeasement?(religious rites)
Why are you contradicting yourself?
Calm down and think dude!

No offense tho bt Oga can u actually READ wat I wrote.
I said in the Spiritual realm blood is used in atoning for sins its a laid down tradition dats be on eons before u even existed since blood is life

and i still say what i said...
Is your god that dumb that the only thing that runs in his minds in ''blood'' and the aroma of either ''dead or burnt'' beings?

U wouldn't understand because u dnt comprehend the Spiritual.
FYI oga nt all tins r as it seems ,there is always a spiritual connection in the physical

deviations...rigmarole's are irrelevant!

Edek27:
can u for once READ above and stop talking like a child
I said above dat spiritually blood is used for sin atonement in all cultures and religions
Christianity is different cause the price has alredi been paid

still saying the same thing...
So blood is the only thing that could be used as atonement?
An all knowing god cannot invent a better item? He is the child here..
And mind u...jesus didnt pay the sacrifice of blood...
He died as a symbolization of love...
John 15:13
not some pagan like shvt u deem it to be

shadeyinka:
If you are Stephen Hawking, I will take you more seriously but I am a curious type, I will like to see!

But on a serious note, you take an unimaginable risk with your eternity!
You claim for certain "No God", " No Afterlife" if you were wrong, a great WOE betide you.

II clam for certainty "There is God" , "There is Afterlife" if I was wrong, what is my punishment?

Would you rather play Russian Roulette with your Life or with your Money? Which is the wiser CHOICE.

Its your life:

Everything about your Eternity is by your Choice.
God still loves you and Jesus still calls you. Its not yet too late for you my brother.
Time is Ticking
Death the Reaper is Waiting
The whole Truth will soon dawn on you.

Don't bank on eternal regret based on science you don't understand.

thanks for caring brother!
Revelation:im an agnostic atheist..not a gnostic atheist..
Pascal's wager is not my thing..i deem it a weak cop-out based on fear and thats the stand of many christians...
Im beginning to think...curiosity and skepticism is a ''sin'' on the christian perspective...

Ranchhoddas:
You already have an idea of what you think Christianity is. It's no use trying to tell you anything.

thats why i asked what it is..
No one is a cup full of knowledge...

Ranchhoddas:
You just love making things up don't you? Where did God say He doesn't change His mind. God sent His prophet to tell Hezekiah that he was going to die, Hezekiah pleaded and reminded God of all he had done in the past and God CHANGED HIS MIND and added 15years to him. PLEASE STOP MAKING THINGS UP.

thats why the book is the bible..a book with glaring contradictions...
Malachi 3:6-i am the lord i do not change my mind..

1 sam 15:29 -The lord doesnt repent nor change his mind
1 james 1:17 ..
So back to issue..is god no longer all merciful and is god no longer ''love''?

Ranchhoddas:
A 'Jesus-believer' cannot be a 'vile-sinner'. It oxymoronic. Lile 'pink' and 'invisible'.

lol..another kingsebukablo.g
IOW a person who sins is not a christian?
Then no one is a christian according to that bible verse...
Ion grab your position..
Christianity is .''the belief jesus died for our sins..his father is god the creator etc?
Or what?

Ranchhoddas:
When Christ came. The path to salvation changed. He became the Way. You know this. You just want to rigmarole.

i dont understand..is it not the same god that was said doesnt change his mind?
Wait...IOW the ten commandments etc are no longer valid?
It was also said his law's and doings are perfect why did it change?
His love is no longer eternal?
He is no longer merciful?
he no longer came for the sinners?
His blessings love mercy no longer show on his enemies?
Wait o..mercy is supposed to be showed to someone who does you wrong right?
Love is supposed to be irrespective of circumstance?
Dude uve lost me oo...
I dont understand you again

Ranchhoddas:
I am not sure I understand.

were talking about how jesus's name is supposed to work...
Ifa/ogun's name can work in like-manner..
Ok..let me rephrase...
Can a vile sinner who believes in jesus..just say something like this ''yahweh i beg you to remove this hiv in jesus name..amen''
and the hiv is gone?
Also..jesus aint his name sef..that's englando

Ranchhoddas:
The rules changed after Malachi. I am sure you know this.

did the ten commandments change?
Tell me...i dont know how..

Ranchhoddas:
See my response to your other comment.

thats different..
A non christian cannot refresh his browsing history...
So he is ''impure''
m i wrong?

promise10:
They never knew that they were about to do bad. Until they ate the fruit of the knowledge of good and evil and the knowledge of the bad they have done came into them.


It was AFTER they have eaten they discovered they have done wrong, hence CONSCIENCE. Conscience is something I describe as the knowledge of good and evil.

i know man...
U didnt understand what i asked..
What is bad and what is wrong?
Which sin did they commit?
What were they punished for?
They had no standards ukr?
Being punished for what they had no knowledge on?
Remember they were programmed by a creator?
...calm down...nd read what i asked again

Ranchhoddas:
Everyone is born a sinner. The enduring mercy applies to you when you accept Christ. It appears you have your own version of Christianity. Strange.

the old testament boys didnt know christ..i hope u know?
And i ask again...
What is mercy?
What is love?
No deviations oga

flamingREED:
Ignored in His holiness

a conspicuous cop-out...

Ranchhoddas:
This is wrong. Non-Christians can be pure and without sin.

uve forgotten that verse?
all have sinned and fall short of the glory..
So christians refresh their browsing history by citing some words...
Comprende?

Ranchhoddas:
Lolz...This love and mercy is not directed toward sinners. I don't see ALL-LOVING in these verses.

wtf is mercy?
Is this a nice cop-out?

shadeyinka:
Its just a parable! I am just alluding to the fact that is is impossible to to make any sense to the obstinate!

if one day...you came to visit me at night..and we stayed outside my house and gisted..but inside my house there was a shinning bright light..
And you asked me what that was..and i told you..i created a star in my house in my laboratory..that that's what giving out that light..and that in a month i'd create a solar system also...
And i told you how solar system works..how stars work etc...
Would you just believe me?
Be honest

Edek27:
Well dats wat u tink As 4 me I aint an animal

so your almighty god cannot devise a better atonement method? Except the scent of blood? Gross! Pitiful!

flamingREED:
I can accompany you to the gates of hell
And ensure you give yourself over to them
If you can't breathe for His truth's sake:

1 Timothy 1
20 Of whom is Hymenaeus and Alexander; whom I have delivered unto Satan, that they may learn not to blaspheme.

the bible said god lied..do u believe?
The bible said the sun revolves the earth...do u believe?
The bible said you think with your heart...do u believe?

Ranchhoddas:
How about you quote the verses so we know you are not making things up as usual.

All-loving

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psalm 136:1
give thanks to the Lord,because he is good;his love is eternal
1john4:8
God is love
psalm 100:5
For the Lord is good;
His mercy and lovingkindness are everlasting,
His faithfulness [endures] to all generations.

All-merciful

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1 chron 16:34
o give thanks to the lord,,for he is good..his mercies endures forever
jer 33:11
the lord is good,his mercy endures forever
etc

Ranchhoddas:
You see. You already have a preconceived notion of how you think Christianity works, a very notion I must say. What the hell is ''have to be in the Spirit''? Assumptions as usual.

be pure and not in sin..and to have faith..

Ranchhoddas:
''Divinely inspired'' is not the same thing as ''Divinely written''.

yeah...i get it

PastorAIO:
That all scripture did not include the gospels o. Unless by scripture you literally mean everything that is written... ever.

Oh right..i get it.. T would then mean including the ones not included in the bible..

Nvm..the timothy sef wasnt written by paul..

This is why the bible is fvcked up ! IMO

Ranchhoddas:
God is not all- knowing. It is you who has defined God and given Him contradictory characteristics. If He was all-knowing, he would have known that Adam and Eve would have disobeyed Him.

that shouldnt be the question..
The question should be..how did adam and eve know that disobeying god was bad if they had to eat from that tree of knowledge of good and bad to know what is bad
How?

Show me a Bible verse where God claimed to be all-knowing.

jer 23:23-24
jer 16:17...sight gives knowledge..
Then said by his prophets
1john 3:20
psalm 44:21