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otemanuduno:
The holy spirit is just malfunctioning like the instability of electricity in my country. It's a pity.

maybe its using condemned engine oil

hopefulLandlord:
nice thread

thanks man.

salauwale:
You couldn't have said it better. Just like we have each religion claiming to be the only way to God, we have the sun religions claiming to be the right ones too. I wish we could have an intelligent discussion about this world wide and reach a conclusion about what's right and what's wrong after all our goal is common. But who am I kidding. A dream that can never come to pass. They will just scatter somebody's head all in the name of my way your way not that way.

lol..its ''impossificant''

analice107:
No sir, Yahweh never changed, he just revealed his agenda in stages.

Eg, The Tabernacle Moses was instructed to build in the Wilderness existed in heaven. The 40 days and 40nights Moses was up in Horeb, was used to show Moses exactly what the Tabernacle should be like,so that he wont make any mistakes. Moses built it. But even that Tabernacle was a shadow of what the real Tabernacle ahd be, I mean the one Moses built.The real Tabernacle was the Body of Christ. Christ was the real thing.

The purpose of the Tabernacle was for sacrifices, Christ is that Sacrifice.

christ didnt die as a sacrifice like animals now..he died as an act of love..
John 15:13
abi?

salauwale:
Historically who's right who's wrong. I'd say the Catholics "to the best of my knowledge" but they've being involved in one too many atrocities in the past that other branches had to spill out to save name. Because language is ambiguous and scripture always has a loose translation therefore we have the varying doctrines. Everybody just interpreted to the best of their understanding.

but they all claim to be of this singular source ''the holy spirit'' and he is the director of their religious translation...
So?

nextprince:
Patiently waiting for explanations from the adherents.

if they would

There are many christian groups that have evaluated other christian groups to be misguided,,blasphemous,,destined for hell etc..This of course leaves one wondering how this religion could have been supposedly guided by a God,his son and a supernatural inspirator(The holy spirit)...

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In christianity...
The Mormons(church of lattter day saints) say that they are the only true church and other churches are false.. Today Mormons forbid their members from reading any
religious book that is not personally approved by
their church leadership via a special process called
“correlation.”.

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The Roman Catholic Church says that all the other
churches of Christendom are in error; are divided on questions of doctrine; are given over to leaders who are not true shepherds; and doomed to damnation as heretics!.

.The Lutheran,Baptist,Methodist and other
Protestant churches say the Roman Catholic Church
is pagan; idolatrous; anti-scripture; in error; and of
satanic origin!.

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Baptists say that the “infant sprinklers,” they have no remission of sins, and are “damned!”.

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Seventh Day Adventists say the Sunday consecrators have changed the true Sabbath for the pagan “day of the Sun” and are therefore condemned!.

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The Sunday keeping churches say that the Adventists was founded by a false prophetess and that she and her followers are “damned”!.

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The Unitarians say the followers of the trinity are idol worshippers; that the trinity is a pagan,idolatrous concept, taken over from other religions..

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Trinitarians say the Unitarians are ''condemned'' by the literal teachings of the “New testament”
because they do not take the ‘new testament’ literally..

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Jehovah’s Witness’ claim that all other churches and
sects are apostates; demonic; agents of
Babylon―Rome and Satan etc.!.

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Other churches say “Jehovah”s Witnesses”
movement was founded by false prophets;that it mistranslates and
misinterprets scripture just to prove its own erroneous doctrines!.

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The Christadelphians proclaim that all other Christians are in error: that they do not understand the true meaning of the “Bible”; they believe in
fallacy; and are not “true believers”!.

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The Pentecostal groups say all other churches are
spiritually dead!.

Within the pentecostal group..various sects disagree on many issues..
Some say ''females wearing trousers'' is demonic;of the devil and is doing so is a criteria for hell..some disagree..
Some say wearing of ''make ups'',,''earrings'',, are of the devil,,leading to hell and God hates it while some disagree..
Some say putting on anything by females like ''attachments'',,''wigs'' other ones natural hair is sinful and of course leads to hell
.Some say women are be allowed to partake in the core affairs of the church and have no authority over men and women who do so are hell-bound..some disagree.

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While Other churches say the “Pentecostals” are
possessed by “lying spirits” and are under the
influence of mass hysteria!....

.Seriously can a singular non-contradictory ominipotent ''holy spirit'' give such contradictory doctrines to its follower?
If a God who intervenes in human affairs constantly had actually sent his son to commit suicide and sent his holy spirit to inspire followers and start up a church post-Jesus,,christianity would have only only one denomination in a singular dogma as it is a singular spirit who does this inspiration..

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Can a True Religion of Love possess these traits of self-negetion,,division and extortion and terroristic threats in the guise of salvation etc?

Sermwell:
I feel going to church is just a waste of time since they are all going to be repeating themselves everyone here in our house is busy preparing for tomorrow's sunday service but I don't see the big deal and I'm already making up my mind not to attend any church service anymore! I'm just tired abeg!! I hope this is normal!

dude...the relevant thing in life is being altruistic..and never hindering the survival of another human...
Church? Thats bullshvt of the first millenium...we're in 2016..''Times'' change..

mrZENographer:
It's not your fault. its the fault of those pastors who only preach Faith and prosperity. The purpose of going to church is to draw closer to God and ensure you are living a righteous life, prepared for eternity.

And why mention that? If you don't oppose them then you will join them.
Don't deceive yourself because...... you know it's true and that's where you're headed. Unfortunate.

I invite you to The Lord's Chosen Charismatic Revival Movement Church@Ijesha Bustop Oshodi Expressway, where great miracles happen and God is transforming lives and preparing souls for eternity.

lol.warrisdis?

i wonder if curing ''headaches'' of persons who can afford meds is more better than curing ''amputees'' who cant afford prosthetic limbs..

shadeyinka:
I am sorry, I have not learned anything constructive from conversing with you. It seems all is just for the pure sake of unreasonable arguments.

As a reminder, the topic was:
Atheism contradicts the Newtons First Law!

okay...nvm

blueAgent:
Which one is easier for you? to keep asking me this same question or to show me one law in Science that is consistent with your Evolution garbarge. this is a challenge . i had Atheists are all knowing .

u said evolution breaks all laws of science...
So which does it break?
Atheists are all knowing?
Who's feeding you with this trash?

shadeyinka:
Note: My aim is not to win an aguement NOT my aim is to present a logical/scientific explanation of spiritual things.

when i say you conclude hastily..you doubt me..
Comon bro..Who's in for winning an argument?
Should i recount quotes i refused to answer and let be?
Or preceeding texts in a comment of yours i let lie?
I only take that which you didnt give an answer in relation to the original question..if you did..be it correct or not..i'll let it pass..

You will have a point only if you prove that OOP doesn't make sense or its not efficient.

ok..let me take it ''bit by bit''...we're talking about God-yahweh's version...not a ''general'' version..and remember we're exclusively dealing on ''Tail-Bones'' design from biblical perspective...
Genesis..
Animals fish etc were ''willed'' into existence by his words..
Humans were ''made'' like making a soup..
OOP is a code from which future codes take their source from rather than rebuilding a new code(abi?)..this is in accordance with evolutionary design/descent...
You err by equating OOP to atoms..
Atoms should be equated to requirements for a program like java,,,notepad,,python,,etc...
Or unless u mean the bibles version of creation is wrong?

Myopic way of reasoning indeed.

smhw

Natural disaster on an Empty planet?

if persons were there..t would bring harm...
Such events can make planets inhabitable..

Electromagnetic storms on the sun are natural disaster?

if the comic rays of the sun hit the earth what is it?

Natural is from the root word Nature! Nature has to do with OUR ENVIRONMENT.

we re saying the same thing...jupiter is part of nature

If the moon were to suddenly vanish, it would be a disaster here on earth because our climate would be affected.

if the sun uses up its fuel and begins to die..wont earth be ripped apart?
Were saying the same thing bruh

If a big asteroid were to hit the earth, that would be a disaster.

earth has been hit by asteriods before..even its younger bro ''meteorites''
so who(consious mind) the hell designed that system?

But if Uranus or Pluto were to vanish how does it become a "natural disaster" to us.

the universe is part of nature bros...
See..we're saying if its a conscious being that programmed this ''nature'' into ''nature'' or
its just ''natural''...

Your definition of Natural Disaster is skewed.

smhw

Of course He created bacterias. But are all bacteria's dangerous?

i was speaking of satan tho..nvm

Pls read my submission again and again.

so in essense junk dna may have undiscovered uses abi?

Please read the post again.I didn't present Quill , I presented an illustration using Quill Pen

you should know i mean quill pen na..a progression from archaic to modern...or an instantenous appearance of both?

You are bent on not listening.
I assumed you know a little of Object Oriented Programming but I am just discovering that your knowledge in OOP is most likely NONE!

what has OOP got to do with planetary disasters?
OOP was for ''tail bones'' oga..thats the only place we talked OOP..so if you believe OOP is in connection with a dying star ripping up a planet..u present why

Death is NOT the end of EXISTENCE!

do you have proof? No..
The belief in the afterlife has been proven to be highly misleading..

Like I said : It doesn't hurt to be reasonable!

what has this got to do with the stuffs above?

You don't have to accept anything I tell you BUT it is wisdom to try to UNDERSTAND the position of others.

this is exactly what i mean..close-mindedness on your part..
I asked before..what's the standard for deafness..if a standard cannot be created..how then can they relate?

I have learnt a lot from Atheists even though I don't accept their Conclusion. Some of them make sense, and I am not afraid to say that.

okay

I have engaged some intellectually matured Scientist Atheist who see some sense in my argument and yet they remain atheistic in their conclusion.

ok

Its not supposed to be a fight to win. No one wins an aguement. At the end, you are supposed to respect each others views.

this is where you get it all wrong...
Since all our arguments..where have a raised a fight?
Invoking statements like these make it seem your the bringer of such...

ifenes:
Parallel shifts between parallel universes is similar to watching different TV channels from on TV box. The same Soul but different time lines. The you of yesterday is different to you now. Your energy map moves around positive or negative thoughts. To change once's experience, the thoughts pertterns must be readjusted. Your belief determine what you are.

chai..ok

shadeyinka:
Since you cannot accept the God/gods of other people, are you searching for Him?

another wrong premise...
Did you accept allah?
And how does not accepting the gods around mean im not searching?
Hasty conclusions..

Your conclusion seems to be like, if others cannot convince me of the real God, then "He does not exist!"

where did i say so?
Did u read my definition of ''agnostic atheism''?

This is an escapist ideology: pushing the responsibility of revealing the real God on others!

? Weird..thats how t's supposed to be..the presenter of a concept does the work...if i feel like helping then i will...

God doesn't send a person to His Refuse Dump because they committed sins. He sends them to His refuse dump if they prove to be useless to His cause.

i have bible verse disputing this statement dude...
Do u heap a refuse bin till eternity?
Are there only christians in earth?

Is there no difference between a Drunkard and a Person who drank alcohol?

there is a big difference dude...
I dont need to answer this for you..u know it...
So i ask again...if my daughter steal #100 from my own my own salary..is it morally right that she should go to hell?
These are yes or no questions...then an explanation can follow

When does a programmer delete a Variable or function? When they prove not useful to the objective of the Program

Answer this: Would it be right or wrong to delete a code or variable I created?

delete =wipe away
hell is not=wipe away
hell=eternal torture..
Stick to hell's style oga..so i can know where yes and no is needed..

It is not sin that is the problem, it is the Nature of Sin!

nature? Quality or wah? Or kind or what?

Interestingly, since I am a "good Christian" i.e. I fulfilled the condition prescribed in the Holy Quran, I cannot go to Allahs hell

Quran 19 v 72: Then we shall save those who
used
to fear Allah and were dutiful to Him. And we
shall
leave the polytheists and wrong doers therein
humbled to their knees in Hell fire.
"La ilaha illa Allah (there is no deity but Allah)" is
the second best statement next to the Qur'an. It is
most loved by Allah

without believing in allah and proclaiming that statement wholeheartedly..u aint entering jannah...

No other deity throws people into hell for Disbelieving in them if you know of one, present evidence. LOL

oga...allah's own is sure for you..
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jahannam
also these are sure for you
the judaists ''shoel''
hades
tartaros
dante's hell
Irkalla
mictlan
helhiem
xilbaba
tuonela
my god..oboi hell is sure..all these hell's are gone to irrespective of how you spent your life...
Also...according to buddhism jainism and hinduism..you have a battle of reincarnation to fight...so??

Haven't I answered this your question?

It could be a self sustaining fusion reaction in the laboratory you know!

i was expecting you to revise and see the error and re-phrase but u refused...
IOW i cant take you and the god u present seriously..unless you are angel michael..
So sorry..you shot yourself

Now, since you don't know if God(s) created the Universe AND you believe the authentic God is unknowable
BUT you are sure of Who He isn't,
Then Who is God to You?

why are u changing my posts...i clearly put''/'' and you changed it to ''and''..why?

For no answer by others will satisfy you!

i do not understand..
Wait is it that anything you say to me should be swallowed by me ''hook,line and sinker''?
Or im i missing something here?
Wait BTW..is it that you need a promise of an afterlife before you can be altruistic?
Is that the basis of your altruism?

ifenes:
There is no pre- life. Every parallel life is happening now. Pre- life is an illusion of the mind.

uve lost me...
Parallel universes?

shadeyinka:
I used OOP (something you can relate with as an illustration) except your conclusion that OOP is silly

read gen 1...
And see if it conforms with your statement..
Man was ''made'' the rest were ''created''..there's a difference dude...
I repeat..your oop is in agreement with an evolutionary designer..not an ex niliho creator..

You specifically mentioned Ectopic Pregnancies and natural disasters

are hurricanes not natural disasters sire?
U still didnt answer what i asked..
Some question require simple answers..
I ask again..whats the consious design behind planetary disasters?

Please don't get me wrong, satan is not the cause of every disease we see on earth, but he is the source.

? Did he create bacteria?
The source how?

Imagine the fact that we inherit our genetic makeup from our parents..

what does dna have to do with jupiter?

You are repeating the same question, you didn't read this?

deleting junk dna has no effect..
So what you saying?..
See..lemme make u grab..
Dna..i said the result of the junk dna is a mindless natural process..
You said it is designed by a conscious mind
so i ask...whats the design in junk dna?
Can any mindful designer create such levels of junk dna in a ''code''*?
Or you believe junk dna has a purpose?
Presenting quill's is an advocation for evolution..remeber we re on the biblical creation pattern..

Everything He made was for Him (God) for His own pleasure like a Garden.

Now specifically, why did god make Saturn, Uranus, Pluto etc. I don't know!

this is a contradiction..he made err'tin for his pleasure and i asked whats the design of dying stars ripping planets apart and you say you dont know?
Weird huh?

Even if you don't believe Him now, He still loves You.

who exactly?
Krishna?

Why fight against knowing Him as REAL!

fight?
U don join them?

analice107:
You have never even been to Ghana. shut up your mouth. This happened in Europe not Africa.

do u even read before quoting?
The op is based in germany from the post...
She said her's occured at festac..
I said that the difference between europe and africa and you complained..
Wait or is festac located in europe to you?

analice107:
Hug yourself Child, Life is tough for the blind and dead brian.

changed the topic and started going personal... Okay oo

analice107:
hmmmm. This guy has to actually be a teenager. Am out on you. If i want to engage in a Bible discussion, it wont be with you, you too Childish.

do u even know what a discussion is?

glossy6:
God did it for you. Mine was 35 weeks and 2 days, weighed 3kg, yet died 7 days later at Outreach Children Hospital, Festac.

God is indeed great. His ways are not our ways.

#onlyGodcan

so sorry for your loss..may your loss be replenished..
Thats the diff between africa and europe

op..such a beautiful daughter youve got there...

Well The doctors saved your child..not some fat dude in the sky..they also deseve some amount of praise also..

felixomor:
Sorry o.

ty

felixomor:
The boy continously sounds like a Jss 2 student. I doubt if he even tries to read what he writes. ..

you've started again..
Please just let it be...if you have no answers...
I dont know if the holy spirit revealed that to you also..just let it be..
Okay?

Jesuobu:
God never created evil and but permit it. Evil is just an absence of good, just the same way darkness is just an absence of light. Darkness wasn't created, just take out the candle, and darkness will create itself.

so evil is ''eternal''?
The only ''eternal'' thing according to theists is their ''God''..
Btw..
God also commited lots of this''evil'' in the bible..so??
Whats ''good'' in not-forgiving your enemies btw?

ifenes:
Your mind never stops working even when you sleep. How did I know? Awareness.

ifenes...a question..
If ''you'' cannot be created...
Where was your pre-life?

Vick4rill:
[color=#990000][/color] guy a vishnu worshiper has far greater chance than u are. if atlast vinshu is the maker of this world he is certain of been save, if atlast yahweh design this world i am certain of been save.

saved from what exactly?
And who judges the ''animals''?

the thing that fears me most abt u guys is that: u debunk all gods and refuse to bring answers to our curiosity. every religious persons have 1% chance of been save unlike atheist.

whats the haste about?
In moses's era..if i told you a volcanic eruption was not God/a God's anger...wont you laugh hard?
How old is science anyway?

Vick4rill:
wat can of fear are u talking about? u want me to foolishly accept the claims that this "universe comes on its own".? haba! guy think na? wat cause the first cell? how can everytin that aids human life just evolve by chance??

do u know..your existence as a person is a product of chance?
How the hell does fertilization occur?

am not here in support of any god. all am saying is that if the cause of the universe is nt certain for over a billion years now, it will be a very foolish decision, to dispute every other gods. let me hold unto yahweh! i am far better than sumbody who is nt holding any one.

this is a lame assertion..honestly..
What makes u better?
Living a life of fear?
Or holding unto ''faith''?
am yet to understand the supposed ''better'' which you claim..

Didnt get this on time

shadeyinka:
I did answer you!
Tail Bone:http://www.webopedia.com/TERM/O/object_oriented_programming_OOP.html

do u know what you just did?
U accepted an evolutionary designer...not an archaic book creation...do u know?
What you stated is contradictory to your precious ''biblical'' creation oga...
I'm asking as per the biblical model..unless you tell me u accepted evolution as truth..then we can move on..

Ectopic pregnancies, Natural Disasters:
What does a computer virus do to a legitimate code? and i explained the nature of the virus: malevolent Codes(spirits)!

this is silly..no offence
the great red spot on jupiter is a hurricane thats been on for decades of years
spirits also caused this?
Spirits also cause exploding supernova?
Spirits also cause dying stars to rip planets apart?
Spirits put the microbes of bacteria we find in space??
Are you For real?

DNA:
Tell me that we now understand up to 50% of the functions of the DNA sequences?[/i]

u seem to know a lot about the designer nau..
U know he designed it for us..
U know he made the vast universe for just us...
U keep on telling me about the designer and his mind..and now i asked a simple question...
What is the function of the high amount of junk dna in our system?

On Demons:

i hope u know i have a copy of the bible at home
I asked you..and you said he's a designer that didnt create evil shvts,,aint the author of natural disasters etc...doesnt kill his own creation etc..dont make me prove otherwise from your own bible..because i can..

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BTW..whats the design in creating earth..and then creating billions of planets for scenery?
His vacation or what?
I wanna know..

shadeyinka:
Its just a parable! I am just alluding to the fact that is is impossible to to make any sense to the obstinate!

it works both ways u know?
So im still correct...what then is the standard for deafness?
These are simple questions...