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malvisguy212:
when jesus teach his disciples how to pray, how did He begin ? Our Father IN HEAVEN. Is heaven empty ? Jesus promise to send the comforter (Holy spirit) to us. Is the comforter in earth or heaven ?

are you saying jesus was not God??(on earth)

felixomor:
U cant read?

k..you cant help matthew..

JMAN05:
The word god is titular. Some that do not deserve worship are referred to as gods. Jesus can be called a god. That word means 'might one'. However, Jesus is not the Almighty God. We only have one God, the Father. 1cor. 8:6. Now Jesus is not the Father mentioned there.

How did I imply that Judas and Pharoah went to heaven?

wait..you do not believe in the trinity??

U implied Judas and Pharaoh went to heaven..when you said..god cant punish those he used to fulfil his will..

felixomor:
So u went to hell to count. Hmmmmm.......Wonderful! Tell me tory.

lol...coman see population.. Billions..and the guy(yahweh) was shining his teeth

GoodMuyis:
If you can answer these w/o accusing God. what stop you from according Herod's blame on Herod who do it on his OWN WILL. Human should account for their action and inaction.

Non of the example i used above claimed to be on errand for God.

You can repent NOW or AFTER

hitler was not in the bible..
Lets get something straight...
God helped his own son to escape...
Read it dude...

honourhim:
Nope. God is a creator who knew he was going to create an imperfect being who would be influenced by either good or bad based on their ability to make choices. He simply made provisions for restoration for when one does bad. All you need to do is make use of the lifeline he provided. He is the creator and has the right to create what he wants as he wants it. Were you expecting God to create us perfect beings? Yes. But he rather wanted to create imperfect beings who will work towards perfection through his grace and power.God created us to be beings who will grow, beings who will learn, beings who will discover things. Thats a concept and he has right to have a concept as a creator In line with his concept, our imperfect nature placed us in a position to learn, experience and understand God's mercy. his goodness, his love, his wrath, his wonders, his power to build and to destroy etc. You and i are created to learn and we will continue to learn either in a hard way or in a soft way till we die. God runs the universe and theres nothing you can do about it than to yell, wail, cry, abuse, mock to your detriment while the wise ones keep learning and being fulfilled and thankful to God for the opportunity given us to learn.

he made a lifeline...and then made an eternal pit??
And yet presents himself as a perfect man??
If he created man imperfect...why then blame man??
Why is he lying?

It is you and some christians that invented freewill. There is no absolute freedom anywhere. Even in the bible we are not offered absolute freedom. The choice is restricted between good and evil, which is the narrow way and the broad way. There is the will of God and the will of man in our individual affairs. In some issues of life the will of God must prevail while in some issues, your will or the will of God prevails depending on the one you gave room for. This still confirms that there is no absolute freedom so dump the freewill thing abeg.

okay...no freewill...
So its already mapped out since before creation..nd still condemns people to an eternal hell...

Again prayer is part of the means we pursue either the will of God or our own will. Remember at some point before the crucifixion of Jesus he prayed to his father and said-"if it were possible, let this cup pass over me". Then he followed it up with- "not my will but thine oh Lord". You can see that in this prayer, Jesus said what he wanted(his will) based on the agony he was passing through but quickly surrendered to God's will. Prayer has many needs. That you dont see the needs does not mean that others dont see it pls,

Ur statement begs this question...
If jesus was divine/God...he would know the dire importance of his crucifixion...why would he then make this callous statement?

Stop making unnecessary argument. See Matthew 16-

15 He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am?

16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.

17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.

simple question...was Jesus God or not?

felixomor:
My brother I just tire.
From rain to water to vapour to rain
Their whole argument life is just like a water cycle.
Mscheww

no answer ?

malvisguy212:
I don't know were to start from bro, but you are sooo wrong. The other verses you quote are NOT prophecy, matthew is not trying to say jesus fulfilled the prophecies in the verses you quote, matthew is only COMPARING the MINISTRY of jesus and the history of israel, for example when hariod kill the new born babies matthew chapter 2, matthew compare The tragedy with EXILE of the jews.

check ur bible...matthew claimed jesus's life was a fulfilment of those prophecies/non-prophecies

I will only address the potter field. Alright.

Matthew 27:9 says this
prophesy was "SPOKEN by Jeremy...

Some prophecies were spoken and not written. Some others were not spoken but only written, while some others were both spoken and written.

.This is at best a far-fetched quibble that fails to take note of the fact that Matthew routinely introduced
written "prophecies" by saying that they had been spoken by so-and-so.
E.g Matt 2:17-18,,Matt 1:22,,Matt4:14,,Matt 12:17..that was matthew's style of writing..

When we read a Prophecy in the bible that say " IT IS WRITTEN". Then for sure we can find it in scripture, since it is guarantee in the scripture that it was WRITTEN. But when it say it was SPOKEN, we may not find it written or we may find it. BUT it may not guarantee that it was WRITTEN. What is guarantee is that is was spoken.

so can u produce where Jer said it?

malvisguy212:
Are you sure you are a christian before converting to atheist ? A Nazarene, is he also a nazereth ?
Matthew 2:23
And he went and lived in a city called Nazareth,
so that what was SPOKEN by the prophets might
be fulfilled, that he would be called a Nazarene.

The prophecy was SPOKEN so is was not necessarily written. First, you must understand that a "Nazarene" is not a "Nazarite." There's the Nazerite vow (Numbers 6:13), Samson was a Nazarite (Judges 13:5,24), but a "Nazarene" simply means a citizen of Nazarite. There are
passages in the Old Testament which say Jesus would be called a Nazarene, but it's a matter of what is meant by the term "Nazarene." A
"Nazarene" came to be a synonym for one who is contemptible or despised (John 1:46). We see similar terms today dealing with racism and nationalism. But notice that the
previous two prophesies in Matthew 2; verse 15 says "the prophet, saying..." (singular) then he quotes directly from the scripture; verse 17
says "Jeremiah the prophet, saying..." (singular) then he quotes directly from Jeremiah. But notice how verse 23 is worded, "which was
spoken by the prophets,..." (plural) and there's no word "saying" indicating a direct quote, "He shall be called a Nazarene." Notice the difference? It's because Matthew is using a summation statement. He's using something that the people of his time would be familiar with which would state the same thing that the
prophets stated in Isaiah 49:7; 53:3, Psalm 22:6, that he would be despised.

The verse in judges describes an angel speaking to the mother of
Samson, telling her that her son "shall be a
Nazirite." This is not only not a messianic prophecy,
it can't be what Matthew is referring to.
A Nazirite is different from a Nazarene. A Nazarene is an
inhabitant of Nazareth, but a Nazirite is a Jew who has taken special vows to abstain from all wine and
grapes, not to cut his hair, and to perform special
sacrifices (see Leviticus 6:1-21). Jesus drank wine (Matthew 26:29, Mark 14:25, Luke 22:18), and so could not have been a Nazirite....
And ''Nazara'' means truth..
Nazareth is gotten from ''Neser/Nester''

psalm 53 is even considered by jewish scholars to be the sufferings of israel...not a messianic prophecy...no even was too trival for matthew..why?


What of the other prophecies?

lordnicklaus:
@op. Divine inspiration doesn't not entail a word for word dictation but an inspiration to write. Matthew clearly wrote only what he remembered and copied part of Mark's gospel.
Matthew was evidently old as at the time he wrote his account and most of the prophecies quoted from the old testament only came in later copies of the gospel and were not found in the oldest copies, so Matthew never quoted any old testament text to suit his account but copyists did so. As for the genealogy account, Matthew was tracing Jesus' lineage through the legal father but Luke was tracing Jesus' lineage according to the flesh since Joseph wasn't responsible for Mary's conception.

Luke says explicitly that it is Joseph's genealogy
(Luke 3:23).
So?

winner01:
Why do these people say the same thing over and over? We have addressed this issues severally. Are y'all out of accusations?

I honestly dont think atheists are going to be bringing new arguments against christianity anytime soon.

aint seen it before....
Can u answer?

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Author=Anonymous
Dating= Suspected to be around 80-100C.E though it may have been composed during the mid-2nd century as 1st century and early 2nd century christian apologists make no reference or citations to it.
Source of most of its contents=Biblical Markan Gospel.

The gospel of matthew is largely regarded as an account of a zealous fictional jewish christian writer who was neither an apostle of jesus nor an eyewitness to the period of jesus's life....
The book itself begins with a contradiction..
Matthew and Luke give two contradictory
genealogies for Joseph
(Matthew 1:2-17 and Luke 3:23-38). Matthew and Luke cannot even agree on who the father of Joseph was...
This was as a result of the writers trying to explain fix the messianic Jesus into the descendants of David which was supposed to be the literal(natural) bloodline of the messiah..
The apostle Paul says that Jesus "was born of the
seed of David" (Romans 1:3). Here the word "seed" is literally in the Greek "sperma." This same Greek
word is translated in other verses as "descendant(s)" or "offspring." The point is that the Messiah had
to be a physical descendant of King David through
the male line. That Jesus had to be a physical
descendant of David means that even if Joseph had legally adopted Jesus,Jesus would still not qualify as Messiah
if he had been born of a virgin - seed from the line
of David was required...
This also proves that the apostle Paul had no idea of the acclaimed virgin birth prophecy matthew claimed was fulfiled in matthew 1:22-23:
In the original context, however,
Isaiah made this statement as a sign to Ahaz, king
of Judah, that an alliance recently formed against him by Rezin, the king of Syria, and Pekah, the king of Israel, would not succeed in defeating him. The
Lord (Yahweh), as he was prone to do in those days, had sent Isaiah to reassure Ahaz that the
alliance would not prevail. Isaiah begged Ahaz to ask for a sign that his prophecy was true
.Finally,
Isaiah said to him, "Hear now, O house of David! Is it a small thing for you to weary men, but will you
weary my God also? Therefore Yahweh Himself will
give you a sign: Behold, the virgin shall conceive,
and bear a Son, and shall call his name
Immanuel" (Isaiah 7:13-14).
The context
clearly shows that this so-called prophecy was made not to foretell the birth of Jesus some 700
years later but the birth of a child to that time and
that situation.(believed to be isaiah's wife)
How could a birth that would happen 700 years later, after Ahaz was dead and the battles
had long since been fought, have been a sign to
him that the Syrian-Israelite alliance would fail?.
"Immanuel". Since that name means
"God with us", it was supposed to show Ahaz that
God was on his side..Mary nor Joseph never called Jesus ''Immanuel''
The Hebrew word "almah" which is used in the
Isaiah verse does not mean "virgin" but "young
woman" and mean the ''young woman'' is with child/pregnant.. It is correctly translated in the Tanakh, the
Revised Standard Version, the Revised English
Bible, and the New Jerusalem Bible,and the Catholic bible..

However The Hebrew word "bethulah" means "virgin." In
the book of Isaiah, "bethulah" appears four times (23:12, 37:22, 47:1, 62:5), so its author was aware of the word;and would have used the word ''bethulah'' since that concept was totally foreign to them and would have been a remarkable event
This was most likely as a result of trying to elevate the christian mystic saviour's status to god-man/superrnatural as opposing organizations like the cult of asclepius and most christian followers at that time were gentiles who were conditioned by pagan beliefs..
OTHER FALSE PROPHECIES
Moving on..
In Matthew 2:4-6..He claims that the prophecy in Micah 5:2 was fulfiled..

.

"Bethlehem Ephrathah" is the name of the descendants of eprahtah and also the name of a person
person: Bethlehem the son (or grandson) of
Ephrathah (1 Chronicles 4:4, 2:50-51)
This prophecy could therefore refer to either a native of
the clan or to a descendent of the person. If the
latter, Jesus does not qualify since neither of his
alleged genealogies list
either Bethlehem or Ephrathah.


Moving on..

In Matthew 2:17,,Matthew claimed the fulfilment of a NON-prophecy in Hosea11:1

But..the passage Hosea 11:1 actually reads:When isreal was a child,I loved him,and out of Egypt I called my son..
However, Matthew quotes only the second half of Hosea 11:1. The first half of the verse makes it very clear that the verse refers to God
calling the Israelites out of Egypt in the exodus led
by Moses, and has nothing to do with Jesus....

Moving on..
In Matthew 2:17..Matthew claimed that Jeremiah 31:15 was fulfiled

This is a pure invention on Matthew's part. Herod
was guilty of many monstrous crimes, including the
murder of several members of his own family.
However,it is not mentioned in neither Apocrypha nor the Talmud, ancient historians such as Josephus, who
delighted in listing Herod's crimes, do not mention
what would have been Herod's greatest crime by far. It simply didn't happen.

Still moving..
In Matthew 2:23..he claimed that a prophecy that Jesus would be called a Nazarene(an inhabitant of Nazareth) was fulfiled

As a matter of fact,bible scholars have not found any statement from any old testament prophet that could be referenced to this...
The word Nazareth, as well as
Nazarene, was never even mentioned in the Old
Testament.
Even Josephus who listed out the cities in galilee made no mention of Nazareth..
Now this begs the question-Why would Yahweh,Jesus or the Holy spirit guide Matthew to make such a claim?

Moving on...

In Matthew 21:1-7..Matthew claimed Zech9:9 was fulfiled..

No event was too trival for matthew to see prophecy fulfilment in it
There are two conspicuous points of difference in
Matthew's version of this event and Mark's and
Luke's: (1) Matthew had Jesus riding BOTH a
donkey and her colt;(Circus style;stunt rider)
Mark and Luke had Jesus
riding only a colt, and (2) Matthew saw it as
fulfillment of a prophecy; Mark and Luke said nothing at all about prophecy fulfillment being
involved...This on matthew's part is as a result of misunderstanding
hebrew poetry...as this is a case of parallel emphasis
Examples of parallel emphasis in the bible include Zech 7:1,,Zech 12:6,,Deut 4:13 etc...
Lets move on..
In Matthew 27:9...Matthew falsely claimed that Jeremiah made a prophecy about the purchase of the potters field

There is NO Place in Jeremiah that this statement is made...
Biblical scholars suggested that Matthew was quoting "loosely" a
statement that was actually written by Zechariah
(11:12-13) rather than Jeremiah. If this is true, then
one can only wonder why a divinely inspired writer, being guided by the omniscient Holy Spirit,
would have said Jeremiah instead of Zechariah.
Why would Yahweh,Jesus or the Holy spirit guide Matthew to make such a claim?
looking closely at the suggested zech11:12-13...it stresses largely on the word ''ME''
Also,,Many versions (RSV, NRSV, JB, NAB, REB, GNB, NWT translate this passage to read ''Treasury''



Matthew, in his zeal to prove that Jesus was the
Messiah, searched the Old Testament for passages
(sometimes just phrases) that could be construed
as messianic prophecies and then created or
modified events in Jesus' life to fulfill those
"prophecies.''...he was however,,also a fictional writer and an inventor..
E.g The massacre of kids by herod...
The invasion of Jerusalem by zombies(matt 27:52-53),,The instant withering of the fig tree...which creates a contradictory account to mark's own account(mark may have been symbolic#the destruction of the temple in Jerusalem in 70AD though God was with them)

[color=blue]CONTRADICTIONS IN MATTHEW IN RELATION TO THE OTHER GOSPELS
The status of the fig tree...
The number of blind men on the road to jericho...
Where Jesus met his disciples before converting them...
The colour of Jesus's robe...
Contradictions on Jesus's utterances at pilate's hearing..
Conflicting arrest accounts..
Conflicting resurrection stories but to mention a few...


can this gospel account really be divinely inspired?..or its just another heretic account?

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religion...
Thats the truth tho...
Ts all about the POWER

GoodMuyis:
I will answer you IF you can tell me the Reason why:

1=> Millions of People Died during the Biafran Civil War
2=> Adolf Hitler/Stalin Commit their grusome genocide
3=> Late Sani Abacha, Sadam Hussain, W.G. Bush commit their crime against humanity

CC: analice107 hahn

1=because it was a war...a war of freedom..
2=Adolf hated jews..he was an anti-semitic like martin luther and was a racist..stalin was a tyrant...
3=tyrants

malvisguy212:
Who incarnate in jesus the man ? When jesus walk with His disciples on Earth, who was in heaven ? This topic is way bigger than your imagination, your knowledge cannot comprehend it. It is better you stick with the issue, if God exist or not.

are you saying heaven was empty when he was on earth?
Or wah?
My knowledge cant comprehend it..but yours can??..how sad...
Why dont u show us all your top status intellect?

gimakon:
Who then is your own god?

i dont have a god mister..

felixomor:
Go n check the statistics, it doesnt say so.
Moreover God is the creator, he is not answerable to an insignificant entity as u,
he can chose to take duurh

@bolded...
I am insignificant but he is completely engrossed with the insignificant humans worshipping him..huh?
I hope u know he is an addicted torturer? Billions in hell alreadly lol..
Ur god ehn...

Horlufemi:
information: the attribute inherent in and communicated by one of two or more alternative sequences or arrangements of something (as nucleotides in DNA or binary digits in a computer program) that produce specific effects

Nucelotides (Input) | Amino Acid (Encoded Message)
Input CCC you get Proline
Input ACC you get Threonine
Input GGG you get Glycine
Input AAA you get Lysine


crystals contain none. No input, no encoded message.

give me another.

What information do crystals possess?

Information is not meaning and does not, per
se, imply any special structure or function. Any
arrangement implies information; the
information is how the arrangement is
described. If a new arrangement occurs,
whether spontaneously or from the outside, new information is assembled in the process.
Even if the arrangement consists of shattering
a glass into tiny pieces, that means assembling
new information....
Dna is not arbitrary...so it is not a code..the code is just a metaphor...
What u are saying is something like this..
2Cu+O2= 2cuO[copper2oxide]
4cu+O2=2cu2O[copper1oxide]
then this becomes a code...



An exampe of a
naturally occurring code is atomic spectral lines in the electromagnetic spectrum.

So, all the elements of the periodic table have their
own barcode in the electromagnetic spectrum. This
constitutes an empirical counterexample to your
claim that all codes are known to originate from
"design". The electromagnetic spectrum originates
in the relationship between electromagnetically charged particles in the structures of atoms.

honourhim:
1. The redemption plan was already in place right from the foundation of the world as the bible said. You sre looking at these events of life as an after thought for God. Its not.

so he just came to deceive humans and blame humans,,and condemn his predestined killers to hell although this had already planned out before creating earth

2. God is eternal and all knowing. Everything that is unfolding from him is an eternal plan which has been in him and being made manifest as he pleases. Bible report is given to us in a way human will understand the reason why God made whatever he made or allowed to happen but not that as event unfolds he now looks for a solution. These things are in his eternal/infinite knowledge but revealed to man in a way his finite knowledge will understand.

so if all is god's plan...then freewill is killed...
It also means everything,,including man made disasters etc...also it means he predestined all...
Whats also the essence of prayer??

3. Everything that God allowed to happen from creation is for a purpose. Believe me the whole purpose of creation is God's interest and glory first. Our interest comes second and there is nothing wrong about it. You cant expect God to create this world with your interest placed above his. If am building something or creating something for myself, my first interest will be to please myself. Infact my interest is the motivating factor that propelled me into creating that thing.
It is a hard truth we have to face- God's first priority of creation is not to please what he has created.

wow..we humans are characters in his movie which he made...
??

4. Let me correct you that Jesus is not God rather he is one with God(unity). There are several places he made this clear in the bible. Even the one he told Philip which you quoted, he was simply reiterating what he has been telling them that he and his father are one. Its all about unity.

john 10:30
..two humans make up parents..
One alone can still be called a parent right?
So jesus was still god..or
when he was earth he was not god?

theoneJabulani:
The funny thing is if it were Ra, Ogun, Zeus or Sango that committed these atrocities, Christians would be raving at the top of their voice.

i swear..
They would condemn isis and boko..but would not condemn the past of christianity and the barbaric acts of yahweh in the bible

felixomor:
Basketmouth is here again.

Duuuurh!

I am sure when somebody like u becomes a mass killer or rapist tomorrow, they will also say u were a christian, afterall, maybe because on ur international passport (thats if u have one) form u filled in "christian". because no space for Atheist on the form or something.

Hahahaha I laugh,

Were u not the same person whose wikipedia evidence was used against him?

Mschewww, If u like subtract hitler through ur desperation, atheists are still number one killers. #Fact

#CryTheRiver

lol...at least the biblical god is the number one assasin...ukr?

JMAN05:
As witnesses, we do ask those in the churches these same questions. It isn't plausible to predestine someone and make them responsible for their actions. In fact this defeats the principle of free will.

Gods has the ability to know, but His omniscience isn't total, but inherent. I think you saw me discuss it with kingebukasblog on the other thread? If you clearly understand my position, you will know the conclusion that's plausible.

Again, Jesus is not the same as Jehovah, neither are they equal in power and age, but they have the same purpose. They are united in purpose. As such, Jesus was crying to his Father, the one superior to him (Jesus). This trinity teaching isn't scriptural. They keep misrepresenting Christ and his Father.

It is because of this that I created a thread for any who wish to get the perspective of Jehovah's witnesses on his/her questions. https://www.nairaland.com/3316955/why-not-get-perspective-jehovahs#48907902

jesus clearly said he was god..
So in essence...u mean judas and pharaoh are in heaven? Or wah?

malvisguy212:
Alright. No need to correct you, any christian read this thread will understand how confuse you are, Are you sure you are a christian before you became an atheist ? Or you never went to sunday school class ? Do you know why I like thread like this ? It make the christians understand that atheists misunderstood God plan of salvation. I mean what you wrote up there EXPOSE the ignorance of atheists. You interpret matthew 27:46 by saying jesus cried to himself " myself myself ?" Lolll. Alright.

is jesus not god?...or was he joking when he claimed to be god?

gods plan...
And then condemn the tools he used to hell..nice
just like judas...

honourhim:
Yea you truly sounded silly as your submission does not reflect the truth about crucifixion. The whole thing boils down to ignorance on your own part. Making mockery of what you dont understand translates to making a mockery of yourself.

what else could be the truth of crucifixion?
I gave you guys the simpliest truth

seggzz:
please, who can see what i am seeing. Is the two bolded statements the same?

u seem not to understand..
U cannot disprove the quantum multiverse through science..

You sound so important as if you gave them money to prove for you.

i may not be important...
Bt as u can see..it is my belief..so?

The two bolded statements is already a confirmed contradictions in logic.

i cant see any contradictions..i said in both places..it aint finished
so

How does lightning or thunder has to do with the questions you refused to answer.

it was our ignorance then...likewise now....corelate

Clearly tell me you don't know just as the other guy and stop bragging of being atheist without proof.

see me see wahala?
You are the proposer of god..
Prove him??

According to webster dictionary a belief or set of beliefs that is accepted by the members of a group without being questioned(PROOF) or doubted is a dogma. Since you lack any evidence of proof, your atheism is dogmatic.

is atheism a group?
Whats this guy saying sef?

My believe is not dogmatic because i have the evidence of proof. I have this opinion that we don't have ALL the information we need to understand the paint and what the canvass is composed of, the relationship of the individual paints, and the brushstrokes. Now we can't define the painter because we don't even have enough information of the painting and the rest. And do we conclude there is no painter when we have the painting? It is big NO because we can still wait. It is both dogmatic and irrational for us to just conclude there is no painter since we have the painting without evidence.

u have no proof of god...
If u do..spill it..not these long rigmaroles

malvisguy212:
This is one of the most silly post I've ever read on nairaland.

because thats how silly the crucifixion story is

KingEbukasBlog:
Do you guys ever get bored of saying stupid things ?

lol...we dont get bored of saying the truth.. Truth is bitter..you know?

justine skye and masquerade dress be like this