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solite3:
the fact remains that catholic church is not the first church.

the first churches were in communion with the catholic church before schism oboi!

History of Christianity

the second pope is mentioned in the bible..
The fourth pope was also mentioned in the bible as well as contemporary sources stop crying!

they are much, here are a few,

this is not a scholarly thing to say!!
Learn to research dude..

1.Mary honoring

its like u disrespect your elders at home..what a shame!
Have you forgotten honour your father and your mother?

2. Infant baptism

go and read the didache and memoirs of the apostles before you start crying!

3. Purgatory

read the bible which the catholics gave you and learn!

4. Salvation by works.

Are you okay?
Matt 16:27 and many more

5. Praying through dead saints

is abraham dead? are you a living soul?
Was jesus a fool when he said the apostles will be with him in heaven as judges?

6. Celibacy by oath

hian!!...why do u swear oath's on your nysc? Or matric? Or in court cases? Oboi think!

7. Image use in worship

when yahweh told moses to make images was yahweh mad?

8. Popery n all such

on this rock i will build my church...
Remember

9.blasphemy

No meaning here

[s]yes the gate of hell has been trying to prevail against Christ church by introducing heresies and pagan practices but[/s]

??

God always preserve his church through his word.
The True church are those who hold on to the pure word of God although they may be few and scattered in history but they are there.

what do u even know is the word of god?

Revelation 12:11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death. [color=#006600][/color]
This verse reveals that true church of Christ were persecuted even to the extent of killing them.

do u know how christianity started?
It started as an end of the world cult...
Do u know how many end of the world scriptures were written?

Do you know that Rome catholic church killed and persecuted christians?

oboi u are far from the truth..such dishonesty can cost u ur precious heaven

Roman caholic was established by Constantine in 380 Ad.

so?
When was protestanism established?

i don't know what you mean by sola scripture is a false doctrine, is sola scripture a doctrine

how did the books get into the bible?

What did Jesus say about observing Lord's supper

lol..actually..paul created the lord's supper so as to make christianityy easier for pagan gentiles..mithras cult carried out this form of cannibalism before paul stole the idea
and the gospel writers lated used paul's idea to construct a story...

[s]Luke 22:19 And he took bread, and gave thanks, and brake it, and gave unto them, saying, This is my body which is given for you: this do in remembrance of me.[/s]

luke..this luke who clearly said he didnt experience these activities but are from what what he heard and what has been passing around.

you are contradicting yourself.
If your tradition is not against scripture, why are you trying to discredit it

what is tradition?
Scripture itself is tradition.

Mark 7:8 For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do.

so you do not wash the pots u use at home?

Mark 7:9 And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.

Mark 7:13 Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.

You prefer the tradition of men to the commandment of God.
It is not surprising because men love darkness rathan than light.

a stupid statement to say...

People like you killed Jesus because of tradition.

another stupid statement

Catholism persecuted and killed innocent people because they rejected the demonic traditions of catholism.

u should be thankful to them...if not u would still be a servant of ifa...
Or who knows maybe muhammed's soldiers(islamists) would have colonised most of the world and definitely africa and u would be an islamic extremist..
Be grateful boi!!

EyeHateGod:
This is The Reason I called U a Big Fool Nature is not synonymous to Earth The Earth Can not be as Eternal as Nature Cause they ain't the same thing but the material the Earth Formed from is eternal But When was the time did that Material decide to come together to form the earth and other planets in our solar system is the date given to it to be about 4+billion years old. DO U understand now olodo

u had strength to explain it to him...saying earth is eternal..the dude is wack

Horlufemi:
Oga you know nothing man.

mr horlufemi knows it all..but cant understand the definition of a code.

ok I don't know the definition. kindly give us the definition.

who called dna a code?
U or i?
When u make up ur mind..u define

I gave you links and references you gave nothing. you are the one arguing blindly.

what do i need links for?
To base my arguments on someone else's ideas?
I ask you simple questions and u avoid them..

none of your natural codes follows the information theory.

how does music coded in disc follows information theory? Since your information theory is universal..explain
U keep on changing the meaning of information to fit your blind rigmaroles.
What is information?
How do scientists put down all we see in nature?

Cs u want to talk about a noise stuff or so..

you are still avoiding the information theory I wonder why?

i clearly gave u

give me scientific links for your natural existing code proof

i repeat...the first mistake u made..
Is ''close mindedly assuming that the standard for codes is= instructions on how to build a molecule''

Mr. Atheist, some of your friends are better in that they are open minded.

theists on this forum know my status..i cant engage in straw arguments...
U need to learn what a debate is..
U dont just drop a picture and smile...like wtf?

[s]
You are proud even in your lack of knowledge.[/s]

dont be silly!
Ignorance is not a right to folly

Anything to discredit God.

you do not understand what i mean that dna is not arbitrary..


in natural language...we have ''dog'' in english ''chien'' in french..
But in dna "ACTGAGACC" is just as meaningful as
"ACTGAGACT''
they cannot refer to the same thing..


the "meaning" of a triplet of nucleotides is a physical
property of the structure of transfer RNA molecules.
The DNA triplet "CTT" codes for the amino acid
leucine because the transfer RNA molecule which
bears leucine has the nucleotide triplet "GAA" in its anticodon region, and the connection between the
signifier and signified is guaranteed by the physical
existence of hydrogen bonds between
complementary bases. In natural language, the
connection between signifier and signified is not
guaranteed by a physical property of the universe in this way.

I can write this message
in a number of fonts, font sizes, underlined,
italicized, bolded, etc. You can not do this with DNA.
You can not print out a line of A's, T's, C's, and G's
on a microscopic typewriter, insert it into E. coli, and
expect the corresponding protein to be produced.

lordnicklaus:
Mary was a descendant of David through Nathan. A gospel mentions Bethlehem Ephrathah which is in Judah. There were two towns named Bethlehem, one in Judah and the other just north.
Luke traced Jesus' lineage according to the flesh while Matthew was tracing according to adoption.

David was from Judah. Elisabeth, the
priest's wife, was from Levi. Mary was the
cousin of Elisabeth, so she should have been from Levi rather than Judah. If so, Jesus could not
have claimed Davidic descent from Mary..

Bethlehem of Judah is Bethlehem Ephrathah.

betlehem ephrathah is a clan..not a town...and that is not judah...

And I told you on the onset of my replies that the oldest text for Matthew doesn't have any Old Testament quotation and that the quotes came in late copies.

IOW..the bible is errant?

Wait wait m lost here...u're saying jesus was not supernaturally implanted by God?

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Also there are dire issues in the genealohy

There were 40 / 42 / 55 generations from
Abraham to Jesus
matt listed forty and still claimed it to be 42...while luke twas 55
(Matt1:2-16,17...luke 3)

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the number of generations from david to jesus..matt said 28..luke said 42...

There were two / five generations between Joram and Jotham.(matt 1:8..1chr 3 :10-13
etc

honourhim:
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So how did satan choose evil in such a perfect place as heaven. Where did he see that evil to choose? In the case of Adam and Eve it was entirely different. They were tempted by some creature with something




How can you claim that the bolded is not true about God when isaiah 46 says this-

9 Remember the former things of old: for I am God, and there is none else; I am God, and there is none like me,

10 Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:






10 And not only this; but when Rebecca also had conceived by one, even by our father Isaac;

11 (For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth

12 It was said unto her, The elder shall serve the younger.

13 As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.

14 What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? God forbid.







Revelations 13;8

And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

how did adam and even know tthat disobeying god was wrong if they had no knowledge of it without eating the fruit first?

Iseoluwani:
C your life it even in the Bible I bet you never heard of it nor read it before. Not surprised 99% of catholic cant open the bible

Psalm 139:21-22
Do I not hate them that hate thee, O Lord?
And do I not loathe them that rise up against thee?
22 I hate them with perfect hatred;
I count them my enemies.

what happened to turn the other cheek?
And love your enemies?

Iseoluwani:
Go and read the history of protestants and KING TUDOR OF ENGLAND VII
READ THAT OF MARTIN LUTHER
when you do come back later and make meaningful comment

lol... Martin luther? Oh that guy that said lying can get u into heaven... Protestants indeed!

MrPresident1:
Don't mind the little brat

lol...wish all you want... There is no 2nd coming oga... Lol

Ranchhoddas:
@ PastorAI0 .... What so you think about Oaroloy.e's comments on this thread?

lol..

GoodMuyis:
God helped his own son to escape... so what happen, he abandon the rest. abi

You Lets get something straight... that the action of man as his own premeditated action not got, THATS WHAT WE CALLED FREEWILL not God's, so everyone should be accountable for his action

If Hitler is not in the Bible what makes him less than a human, is their a waiver for his crime

Innocent babies killed by science in the name or abortion who is to be blame? in US alone 51,923,070 have being aborted from 1970-2012, and this is the reported figures what about those who did is secretly or other parts of the world.

Better channel your energy to your education instead of question God you can listen to, Thanks to Christian Missionary for bringing that to Africa
You can repent NOW or AFTER

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion_statistics_in_the_United_States

oh dear!..uve missed the whole story...
The op is well detailed...take your time and comprehend..then quote me properly with a better stuff

EyeHateGod:

bruh..u forgot our tail bone...lol

KingEbukasBlog:
Origin bro not an explanation of what happens . And I was specific - frustration and embarrassment .

and what u are asking is not exclusive to humans...

sonofluc1fer:
This Jesus guy like to masturbate eh.. his coming is always at hand.

lol..he's the head of the vaseline crew ni...
Nice one bruh

malvisguy212:
question, The universe is govern by Entropy, how does evolution work in this kind of universe ? Entropy imply life will be annihilated.

evolution does not violate the second law of thermodynamics oga

la wa!!

michael142:
I done talk am before say this Jidenna na tribalistic rat.

mumu..ure not current...
Update ur knowledge

Noneroone:
' he is not proud of his heritage but he answers 'Jidenna' in US while the local champions in your area answer 'wizkid' and 'davido' bleach their skins and lie about having houses in America just to feel accepted by the white.

Vent your frustration elsewhere and leave Jidenna alone. He didnt cause recession in your country's economy, you did!

leave the wack biatch alone...her stupidity cant see all these...
He's even speaking pidgin in his current songs now..
M sure she doesnt have music channels on her decoder.

malvisguy212:
In Matthew, the chief priests
took the money returned by Judas; in Zechariah, Zechariah requested wages from the people. In Matthew, Judas threw the money on the ground before the chief priests; in Zechariah, Zechariah was told to throw the money “to the potter,” which was achieved by throwing it into the house of the Lord for the potter. Matthew’s greatest emphasis is on the acquisition of a potter’s field. Zechariah says NOTHING about a field.

and in matthew he still said the prophet jeremiah said 30 shekels of silver....jeremiah said 70...

So??

lordnicklaus:
None. Jesus is a descendant of David through both lineages.

jesus does not qualify as a descendant of david...because to the supposd ''virgin'' birth..
They were tryna fix jesus into it...
And how do u know luke was talking of mary??
Neither luke nor matthew listed bethlehem/ephratath which is a significant point for the messiah...

Horlufemi:
DNA isn't just a polymer, It's a polymer that has nitrogenous base codes arranged on it with a purpose.

is dna a polymer or not?
All these grammer is irrelevant..

Natural code examples not analogies

i gave u natural ''codes''

Example of invalid analogies, permit me to quote you again" Dna is not arbitrary...so it is not a code..the code is just a metaphor...
What u are saying is something like this..
2Cu+O2= 2cuO[copper2oxide]
4cu+O2=2cu2O[copper1oxide]
then this becomes a code...

does the equation above not tell u the different details of the different compounds?...the different bonds? Different properties?..
The inst. That whenever the above combines under certain conditions and certain moles..it gives a copper1oxide and under another number of moles it gives a different comp...
Its why it is an analogy
.u're trying too hard for there to be a god

It's never something like that, I mean like seriously? These cyrstals dont carry code. The entire science world knows that DNA carries a code

keep on distorting the definition of ''code''
A volcano makes a soft rumbling
sound, and a nearby sentry assigned to watch the
volcano journeys back to his tribe and when asked
the status imitates the rumbling sound of the
volcano. How is the rumbling sound coded
information when made by a human, but not when made by the volcano?

Again, Like Seriously? They carry code/Information information is never random. It is deliberate. Say something else.

information..u keep on Changing the meaning of information to suit your blind argument..

Its not even like this. You, my friend are very funny, what are (m, a, c, f, p, time co-ordinates, position co-ordinates...)? Aren't they standard and derived units? Your analogy doesnt have noise factor included so its invalid.

what are u saying?
What is C,T,G,A?

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keep on denying the gravity code...
You cant disprove it..

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[/quote]Gravity is not encoded/decoded.[/quote]what do you mean?
the information is encoded/decoded
by other physical reactions (orbits, collisions,
physical variability)....think

In General Relativity, matter curves spacetime around it, and other matter obeys the geodesic principle in that spacetime, yielding orbits that mimic Newtonian gravity. But there's no explanation for why matter curves spacetime

How about the level of "junk" that is in our DNA?
No code created by a mind, would have the
percentage of noncoding sequences found in our
DNA, or any other animal for that matter

- that's just the way it is. In a quantum gravity theory it's because matter is exchanging spin-2 bosons called gravitons. Why? No one knows not even science.

you just acknolwedged a natural occuring code..i hope u know?
the spin, charge, and mass of particles
and the orbitals of electrons.the code
for neon is: 1s^2 2s^2 2p^6 The code for a W boson is: Charge -1, Spin 1, Mass 80.4

What are (C, G, T, A)? that's right, four nucleotide bases of a DNA. The closest analogy to DNA Code is the ASCII Code. I'm a physicist and scientist by heart you cannot tell me crap and I eat it. Your gravity analogy here is invalid.

try to slither away from it all you want...Gravity is a fvcking ''code''
u have not even thinking...
Gravity is all space -time
as dna is all chemical reactions

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You havent given me an answer. I have dismantled your analogies, your analogies are invalid.

when you're done rigmaroling..u face gravity..

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I'm still asking you for a natural occurring code that follows the information theory. (DNA fits information theory). Not all these your invalid analogies.

lol...what do u mean?
How do u define information?
I keep asking this?
How do scientists put down all they find?
Distort the definition of information as you like...it wont change it....

A volcano makes a soft rumbling
sound, and a nearby sentry assigned to watch the
volcano journeys back to his tribe and when asked
the status imitates the rumbling sound of the
volcano. How is the rumbling sound coded
information when made by a human, but not when made by the volcano?
you're changing the universal meaning of information..
And subjectively defining it..

I will not strawman you if you think I do. I won't insult you again but insult science again, then and there I will call you out.

the bolded is where u made a big joke on yourself...
For someone who fills his ignorance with god..yet advocating science as his true stand..ironic

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Don't say anything on this yet until you get me any natural existing code . I am going somewhere with this.

keep on deceiving yourself...
All information(code) ultimately originates in nature...

Cheers,

Mr. Atheist. a.k.a (There is no God)

i gave you...natural occuring codes but your blind argument that a
"contain plans or instructions to build a specific
structure or molecule." Please familiarize yourself
with the definition of code, it will reduce
confusion on your part
and learn what coded information is..

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go and learn
-the gravity field code...
-the sun's absorbtion line spectrum
-the barcode of atoms on the electromagnetic spectrumm..
Rather than arguing blindly

Dyoungstar Good work bruh...more grease to your elbow.. Although the song's a kinda copyright... Buh well done :-D

branhampaul:
Do You Know Why Your Still Alive?, It All Because God Wants You To Change B4 His Wrath Falls On YOU, He Is Using Individuals To Warn You, Yet You Dont Want To Change.. I Pity You..

lol...na so!!

Image123:
i would have access to it, my life is not a fluke or mistake.

so u mean those in other religions
are given vivid access but strangely reject this?

What about it? They are not begging for newbies in Heaven. It is whosoever will let him come.

still didnt attend to the problem there...

You who has no basis for morality should not be busy discussing morality

your basis=slavery marriage by r.ape etc...okay

[s]Because what is good to you is just good because you think so. Tomorrow, you may not think so again. He that believeth not is condemned already.[/s]

While God wants/wills everyone saved,

prov 16:4 say otherwise..
Mark 4:11-12 also..
So your god is like allah..

[s]it takes nothing from Him and does not add nothing to Him even if it is only 1 person that is saved. He is eternally God, fulfilled, happy etc. He just gives an opportunity to man's race to be part of His kingdom, and even spites the devil who lost out. Uncountable folks who are weaker than the devil have already taken that spot and are taking it till tomorrow. You staying there fighting for human right or morality or how many people going to hell is just a useless venture. What would have helped you is to help/save yourself from the untoward generation. Your empathy and sympathy are just a waste. It costs God nothing to destroy the earth now now with its inhabitants[/s]

haba!!

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Imagine non-citizens without visas crying foul at not being given access.

seems you are happy with it
You failed to answer the problem

If that is what you said and how you created the phone to function.

so the sun revolves the earth?

They do everyday. This evening, i will be going out on evangelism by God's grace. they would believe it as usual. Jesus is saving them every day. People have real problems, not people who are more interested in when the earth was created or where the sun is going to.

lol...allah is converting people everyday..

Rather, seems you have misunderstood the book.

u do not believe your god-given book..

It means God did not necessarily just create light. There was light since forever, God Himself is light BTW.

read genesis 1 oga

Same as above. Like i said earlier CREATING can be different from MAKING. Making things appear does not necessarily mean they were just created. He launched it as it were for the 'new creation' of Genesis, the era of man.

was there anything before in the universe?
Did god create/make it or it was there before?

They are not of the Adam race. That is clear enough.

how did they get here then?

You know you should repent.

repent how?
M i religious?
Did i break any law of the state?

Image123:
Satan tempts me like he tempts every man, but he is not responsible for my decisions. i decide to yield or resist him, and so does any man.

still what i said...indirect
sometimes direct cause through demon possessions,,possesing humans and making them mad...etc
and u will say the book doesnt think for you..ok o

Context.

esther6:6..prov23:7..isaiah10:7..
Imagine an all knowing god...never mentioned the brain in the bible...
Like why??

If i prove you wrong now, you will simply say you understand or can't someone make mistake again. Atheism is not a thing, what is it?

its like coldness is absense of heat...
Grab

You are the one that probably did not explain/express yourself as you wish, i did not misunderstand you at all.

na wa..
Is yes and no that scarce?
Simple..are you going to be you?..or another person?

hehehehehehehehehe, no vex na. So what is an agnostic atheist if not an unbelieving sinner on the broadroad to destruction?

**facepalm**
NVM

Here is your post not typed under duress. You said that atheism has a lotta benefits ..u think for urself, Selfdepedency, U control and take responsibility. Further down, you had mentioned how it made you human or charitable, which was why i said you don't need to be an atheist to do that, that charity and love were core christian values.

What you brought just slapped you in the face...i said atheism's benefit is truth..the rest is open mindedness..
You didnt even go through what you sent..

The history of christianity is glorious barbaric and dehumanizing

Correct!

. What you call the history of christianity is not christian neither was it perpetuated by christians but by religion.

oh!!..but in the case of atheism it becomes as a result of being atheists?
Is there any honesty here?

How can it be relevant, lol. How can the words of Jesus the Christ be relevant in discussing christianity. You need to shake your head at the pathetic thing you wrote, i can't do the shaking for you my man.

lol..words of jesus from people who didnt even know jesus..okay

That's deep enough. i ask if human life and ant life are of the same relevance and you say essentially or basically they are the same.

yes..its a one -time achievement
..

That is the atheistic ideology that Hitler had that led to the killing of millions of fellow humans.

hitler an atheist?
My God

Yeah right.

you could be a pantheist..u never can tell.

CHRISTIANITY has not been in state affairs control and brought catastrophe. Feel free to be specific.

romans?...etc does it strike any bell?

Rather what.

u may be a worshipper of krishna...u never can tell

So that proves that there is no afterlife or what?

i told you...it is misleading

God said so, who said yours? Are your wishes righter than mine? Hahahahahahaha

na..wish what you want...
Wouldnt make it true though..

Stop jumping the gun again, did i say so?

ok..who judges the life of animals?
How do they give account for their sins?

Kind of sure, hehehehehehehehehehe. What does that mean?

sure means...happy?[/quote]God made you mr man, whether you like it or not.[/quote]your belief...
truth=my parents mated to make me

Knowledge is not a contrast to freewill. If i know you, does it mean i forced you to be what i know?

are you all knowing?
Did you create me?

i say again, Jesus IS coming. He said it after Peter died for Pete's sake literally.
Rev 22:7 Behold, I come quickly: blessed is he that keepeth the saying of the prophecy of this book.
Rev 22:20 He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly. Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus.

is jesus on african time or something?
Wtf is quickly?
Are you in daniel,,peter's generation?

Image123:
This are just myths and superstitions stories about the world.

but the bible isnt?
And what proof do u have?...

You lay claims to the earth being a god, the same earth we are on?

hian..so God must fit in your own personal view before he/she/it becomes God?...lol...

This is all never ending legend that anybody can make up) and co claimed to create the world and all humans. They are inanimate. Who can compare to the Living God, the Eternal and Only Wise God who has no Beginning?

u believe it was made up..but the bible etc sent(dictated) by god..ok.
No Beginning?...Did the initial God have a beginning?

Boxed in a corner, is the devil their daddy not still around?

boxed in a corner ke?
How then did i know of them?
Who is the devil pls?

God clearly gave His commandments for ALL men to obey. The ones not to be obeyed are also stated and you know it. God commands and requires ALL men to worship Him. He made them all also.

likewise the greek gods...they gave the sacrifices for all to follow

Stand for what you believe.

sure right..im an agnostic but it doesnt change the fact that there are other hells...sure hells..

It is not my job to like or not like what you write. Unfortunately, you have not seen much. Look further, study right, i'm not teaching you ABC.

ABC..
Thats much more common than contemporary evidences for jesus..

Image123:
No, you are not making sense.

thats exactly how it is...non-sense

They clearly do not say what God says.

they say what their God says...

Proof?

the islamic religion is proof..

Certainlt NOT by coming to a crowd of 20,000 and repeatedly get hundreds of new and genuine followers freely without any coercion. ANY Crowd, ANY generation. The gospel is that powerful. IF any group of 20,000 people gather and hear the gospel, HUNDREDS of new and genuine converts will come out even WEEPING in repentance. This had been repeated several times in different place across 2016 years. NO god beats that, simple.

doesnt make it true..

It is not a feeling, it is evident. All you need to do is get some exposure and stop revelling in ignorance of happenings.

oh dear..i said converts happen in all religions...
Whats the ignorance there again?

Duh, you asked for measurable and physical evidence why God is greater than gods. i gave you, now you agree and shift to higher don't mean blah blah blah. Sit somewhere and get wisdom. Shifting aroung only makes you look amusing, it does not help you achieve anything.

i said...evidence that yours is the true and real god...
And u started bringing an argument ad population...

Don't be foolish, you are older than this i believe.

thats the foolishness of the afterlife..thats the better analogy

At long last, you are coming up. You have finally been able to show me something. Although it remains in clear contradiction of Mo's view that nothing is certain. Here again

like i said...do you dictate for yahweh?
Even jesus didnt know where he would be after his death...he both said he will be in paradise and in the earth(matt 12:40 and luke 23:42-43)
a lot more contradictions like Mo' statement in the bible..

One problem i have with you sinners is that you are shameless dishonest people. If i show you where you said that now, you will simply brush over it or ignore it and move to something else. Yet you expect that i should prove everything to your bias and satisfaction. Show me just one, no need to stress yourself and take every single piece of religion. Show just one that is the same as Christianity.

are two humans on the earth the same?
Forgive my choice of words...I meant similar..like really similar

Evidently written by an atheist(habitual liars) who finds the Easter period frustrating to his soul. i said YOU should mention them, you are sending weblink. Your weblink says they are all MYTHS.Jesus was not a myth

to show you they are many
https://en.m.wikipeidia.org/wiki/Dying-and-rising_god
u believe the rest to be myths..but not urs...lol sha..

but an historical figure who lived among normal men, AS a MAN. Died as a man and ressurected as a man.

archaelogical evidence makes persons drift away from christianity oga

Look at what you presented.Jesus was raised up from the dead, and raised with purpose. Who has the so called resurrections helped?

are you trying to cop-out?
I actually think you should check the meaning of resurrection not me..

Those are all relative criteria. What us unambiguous or undisputable to you may not be to me.

likewise other religions..

Several times.

and youre still a christian but u want it the other way round..okay

He fell, that's common knowledge.

fell ke? Without predestination judas cannot betray jesus..i cant argue this evident shvt ni!

And they are sure because you say so but do not believe so, that makes a lot of sense, right?

yes..since you say yours is also literal..why cant theirs be literal?

Nothing wrong with the numbers especially based on the Bible. Abijah's father had 88children, not 4 or 2. At that rate, it is very possible. Also, the message can be passed as my friend Ebuka explained. Moses passed God's message to much more.

should we both do the maths?
8 humans(noah's family) around 2400B.C committed incest to give earth's current populace?
For real?

They hardly said the bold as we both know. Nobody ardued about their originality, there are gods and there is God.

so u mean their parents are dishonest?

seggzz:
Working at own understanding or view, let us assume you said nobody created it. From what we know in science, matter are naturally in the state of rest.I am sure you know our earth is in the state of motion. Who set this matter in the state of motion since we know that matter is naturally at rest? or Is Motion properties of matter?

nna u dont know science...asking if the big bang is a fact or iono what ur mind is saying...
Learn quantum mechanics bruh...

seggzz:
Do you know Professor Anthony Flew? He was arguably the most influential and most influential philosophical atheist. He converted to deist saying atheists are not honest with their beliefs.

whats this
So because he converted to deism that makes him right?
What kind of a wack argument is this?

(1). There is a nature(creation)

(2). The nature is an intelligent design

(3). God is an intelligent designer Your DNA is one of this design.

like i said...nature(creation) arise without a creator...
Lie more to yourself..

Oya prove me wrong if you can. Please don't run away or deviate as you normally do.

is this a personal engagement of words or you want to learn??
Which is it??

You could prove me wrong in the above statements if you can(lol)

u have made no valid statement dude...

I had a topic on religion i had to focus and compose..well lets move on..

Horlufemi:
Your IQ is really low if you don't understand what I'm saying.

if you cannot argue without insults...pls do not quote me again..

Those are just chemical reactions. And has no communication channel.

is dna not a polymer?
it is exactly the same in nature as any other
dynamic chemical process...
Stand on one point not rigmaroling..

It doesn't adhere to the communication channel model nor the mathematical theory of communication.

AM radio, where sound is
modulated into the amplitude of a radio signal. No
symbols here, but somehow information is being
encoded, communicated, and decoded.

You obviously don't understand what I'm saying.



This made me laugh so hard and makes you look like those theists that dont know their onions. These reactions carry no instructions.

it seems u do not pick analogies well..
The atoms combined in various ways the same way dna bases commbine variably to form alleles
like i said before...it is akin to a catalyst

Before you quote me Please read up on DNA

With DNA, the chemical structures can be
represented with certain symbols (C, G, T, A).
With Gravity, the physical structures can be
represented with certain symbols (m, a, c, f, p, time
co-ordinates, position co-ordinates...)
With DNA, the information is encoded/decoded by
other chemical reactions (cell duplication, biological
variablility).
With Gravity, the information is encoded/decoded
by other physical reactions (orbits, collisions,
physical variability).
With DNA the message transmitted is "how to
grow."
With Gravity, the message transmitted is "how to
react.
" DNA and Gravity are both equally independant of
their communication/interacting meduims... whatever that's
supposed to mean(lol)
DNA is all chemical reactions, Gravity is all space-
time.
assimilate and stop yelling sire..

Same as the electromagnetic spectrum.

u asked for natural occuring code...youre yet to disprove it..stop beating around the bush..

Nothing beats the mechanism in the cell powered by the information in the DNA. You must be a joker if you are trying to compare these things to the workings of the cell or just doing wuru wuru to the answer.

why are u shifting the goal post and engaging in strawman arguments?

Feels good making atheists look like mumu.

dude...no need to boast..u asked me simple stuffs..i gave u the answer and you started beating around the bush..
Bring whatever you have..and i'll dismantle it..


Horlufemi..i get enough time for you..

lordnicklaus:
Luke, calls Joseph the son of Heli following a Jewish custom of calling a son-in-law, his father-in-law's son. Heli was actually Mary's father but Luke attributed sonship to Joseph. So, there is actually no discrepancy.

then they still trace back to david..
Who's lying? Matthew or Luke?

malvisguy212:
Read my post again, The prophecy were FIRST Spoken by jeremiah but NOT written, then Zechariah wrote The prophesy down. In fact Zechariah did not mention potter field, why ? Because jeremiah has already made reference to that. Jeremiah 32:9–12

9 “I bought the field that was at Anathoth from Hanamel my uncle’s son, and weighed out the
money for him, seventeen shekels of silver . 10 I signed the deed and sealed it, and called in
witnesses, and weighed out the money on the
scales. ..



There are three things wrong with this:
a. There were no "pieces of silver" used as currency
in Jesus' time - they had gone out of circulation
about 300 years before.
b. In Jesus' time, minted coins were used - currency
was not "weighed out.
c.Matthew said 30 pieces not 70
"By using phrases that made sense in Zechariah's
time but not in Jesus' time Matthew once again
gives away the fact that he creates events in his
gospel to match "prophecies" he finds in the Old
Testament.