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CHARLOE:
it was Seun n d devils fault, trying to weaken d power of d holy goose (devil I bind u!) Sorry, ghost. Good, am sure u're feeling d heat now!

lol..which heat?
Scientists go don build air conditioner since for hell fire..u nor trust scientists?

i have a simple question for the afterlife christians...
If satan who was an angel...nd was in the presense of god continually cud take the negative force of god(evil) nd sin...
What are the odds that humans..who it is in our very own nature(evil) will not also do evil worse than satan tried to do in heaven?

Jesuobu:
there is only one true" God" in heaven and on earth. The "god" in the article context, is referring to the Supreme leader of Nairaland while the "God" of the universe is referring to the Supreme leader of the universe. Remember the one and only true God's cannot have its first letter written in small letters.

There is only one Seun on Nairaland and all the " Seun" you see there is referring only to the owner of Nairaland alone. " God" you see there is referring to the owner of the world alone.

i asked a simple question...u re deviating..
How many seun's are on nairaland claiming to be seun?

4kings:
Woww, i didn't know this.
I've not read much about Martin Luther.

But i dont know why enligntened christians cant suppress dogma and seek the truth.

those were his own direct words..

If my brain leads me...m gonna open a thread about it..to see what christians wud say

mabea:
You folks are missing something here.

Christianity is not a make believe thing. What we preach is that God sent his only begotten son to die for you and I,and o don't expect you to ask me for the videos of his birth so you can believe.

have u ever read ur bible well?
Do u know that god caused thousands of kids to die...so that his own son can come into this world?
Do u know that god knew and watched happily as the soldiers slaughtered the children?
Do u want mee to continue?

mabea:
insults? No I did no such thing.It is the bible that says that fools say in their heart, there is no God. Besides stop asking for proofs because there's nothing to prove to you it's either you believe or you continue in your logics.

it is that same bible that said we shud kill disobedient children...
It also said the world is flat..
It also encourages incest..
It also disproves of scientific knowledge..
It also encourages killing of babies...ripping of the foetus frm the belly of pregnant women...
Do u want me to continue?

CHARLOE:
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u still dey get mouth abi, OK, me sef don vex; god of elija, holy gooose fireeee!

holy gooose?
I tot t was holy ghost?
Call on him..he will do notin..i promise u...
Maybe he is sleeping or cooking like baal was in the bible

dallyemmy:
Read John 10:10

read 2kings 2:22-25

4kings:
"Jesus" probably existed as an ordinary rabbi and not what we know today.
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But Josephus did not write anything about him, or at least not what we know.
Origen the christian church father who was responsible for the growth of the christendom then, was alive during Josephus time but only mentioned him as a man who didn't believe the gospel of Jesus.
Besides, why should Eusebuis be the first person to quote that paragraph, years after his(Josephus) death.

they forgot lying and forgery was a normal character of the early church..even the catholics had to forge the death of the apostles(most)
even martin luther said
''What harm could it do if a man told a good
lusty lie in a worthy cause and for the sake of the
Christian Churches?''

CHARLOE:
@op, be kiaful o, don't get god angry n strike u dead! Tho he is love, but if u get him angry, hmmm! Better tank ur god dis is not old testament era, tank god Jesus is in heaven pleading on ur behalf, cooling his temper. I'll b praying 4 u cos I no its d devil dats talking, sorry, typing tru u; father 4give him 4 he knows not wat he does.

ur god can only get angry and kill anyone he wants..yet common devil has been beating the hell outa him since tthousands of years?
How ?...
I dnt need ur prayers...i do not
pray instead for the thousand of children who die of starvation in this world...
Pray god sends manna from heaven to them..not me...
Pray the syrian war stops...the children being killed there are numerous..
Pray that all cancer shud cease from this earth instantly..
I can go on and on...
U must be selfish if u consider me and urself better than those suffering in this world..
Pray for them..nt me..i do not need ur prayer..

4kings:
Josephus did not believe in Jesus as confirmed by Origen the church father during his time .
And the paragraph that gave account of Jesus existence was first quoted by Eusebius(the liar), centuries after.

they forgot that the antiquites was written at 93CE...23 years after the first gospel Mark was written...how is it nt possible josephus got to read the book and add that paragraph?
Why did josephus write more abt hercules than jesus?
Was jesus an ordinary rabbi?...perhaps..

KingEbukaNaija:
Gnostic Christianity is heretical and it looks like occultism . The Gnostic scrolls were fraudulent forgeries that espouse false doctrines about Jesus Christ . Of course , you guys will appreciate anything as far as its against Christianity so you quickly accepted it .

And please 4kings , your response on the topic didn't make any sense .

are the biblical gospels from original manuscripts?
How do u knw they lie abt jesus christ...did u exist in the time of jesus?
Of course..uve already settled with believing matthew and co..if u read ur bible well..u'd know matthew was a chronic heretic nd a wondderful fictional writer...
Do u believe it makes more sense for u to have ur friend betray you or for u to have ur enemy(least favoured or so) betray u?
As per judas

malvisguy212:
moses wife, she is a midinite, do the midintes follow abrahamic covenant of circumcision ? No, do you think moses just woke up one morning and decided to break God law ? In fact, circumcision is Among the sign of God covenant to the israelites. If not his wife, who else ?

zipporah didnt connect with these verses i brought up...
She saved moses life if im nt mistaken...
Or did the parents or children of those killed by herod break god's circumcision convenant..?
Make me see the direction ure going to

JMAN05:
Do you have the autograph of Plato and Aristotle's writings? That some historian didn't write about someone does not mean he didn't exist. It was not all the people during his time that philo recorded.

what are u saying?
Aristotles writings survived..plato likewise...wat are u saiyng oga?

Secondly, Jesus was famous, but his teaching was unpopular. He is viewed as a heretic and even his resurrection was covered by religious leaders. Matt 28:12-15.

i dnt get u here...
He was so popular that he had to be killed by romans..romans didnt document this...i dnt understand ur claim here...simplify

Contrary to popular belief, Matthews account was written quite earlier than Mark's.

mark was written by an anonymous write...was dated to 70CE...matthew is dated to arnd 130CE or so..also anonymous..so what u saying?

In fact, it is quite a crapola and disingenuous to state that a historian's account of prior years are untrue and this assertion will continue to remain a cull.

with such supernatural phenomenom that occured at the hour of crucification of jesus(ghosts walking up and down,,,3 hours darkness etc) its funny that theres no record of it except in the gospels...whereas even pliny a christian recorded other phenomena like eclipses...
Ts quite disturbing ddnt u fink?

Did Philo give the account of Judas of acts 5:37? Now eben the precise time of Philo's birth is unknown although he was popular.

at least philo's writings survived..and he has eyewitness accounts...nt hearsays..

No erudite historian records events that happened at his time alone. Nor is the work of a historian false because his record happened when he was not alive. I will only accept your position as reasonable if you will tell me that all the persons mentioned by all historians, including Josephus when he was not alive didn't exist.

my assertion is that jesus existed..bt was nothing more than a rabbi of the religious sect of nazarene...
Do u know that the city of nazareth has no contemporary recordd?
Even when josephus listed cities in judea abi gallilee..smtin like that..

Another point is: Josephus wrote about Philo, and none of you question the story he gave about philo although he lived before him, but when it is about Jesus, the story became false. This idea is conked at birth.

philo's writings survived..nd were used in the first century and latter dates..josephus existed before philo died...josephus may have added some stuffs we do not know...bt the jesus issue is that...contemporary historians who existed arnd the timeline of jesus(his life) made no mention of the guy...despite his works..in the bible...jesus was so popular...he attracted crowds upon crowds..

Look at the resurrection...crowdds upon crowdds...do u grab?

Frm ur analogyy...then we shud also believe in hercules....do u believe that zeus is the true god?
Josephus wrote abt hercules...a lot
tacitus also...
I tinkk pliny also..
Many of them wrote abt hercules much more than they wrote abt jesus..so?
Should we believe the homers detailed story of hercules(in the odyssey)?

4kings:
Nah, i've not read that one yet, still on the gospel of thomas.
But i love the way they connect ancient practice of the subconscious mind together, like kundalini, budhaism, chi energy and so on.

aiit..no p

mcemmy0z:
Don't base your assumption on one side, both Christian and Muslim religious has cause much death compare to any other in the world.
Although, it seems Christian has minimize their won, but the other one still continue till tomorrow, fighting for God they don't know.

i know...im compiling muslims own..
I dnt only present christians faults...

Ranchhoddas:
You dey find trouble abi?

lol...i only speak the truth o.. U sef reason am nau

analice107:
Didn't read sorry.

better read..cs i didnt create the bible ur god did

malvisguy212:
Why do you like to copy and paste trash ? The verse you quote, did it say God command the soldier to kill the children ? Was it not harod who gave the command ? God who does not exist kill little children. This Nigeria atheists are something else. Satan will be very happy.

bro...calm down nd read those places in ur bible...i didnt copy and paste...i gave reasonable ways god cud have saved the thousands of children herod killed bt did ntin..
The other verses we have ur god giving the order for kids to be killed....
That a country called zambuaz does nt exist doesnt prohibit me from commenting on it...
Common satan has been ur all powerful god's problem for thousands of years and more...
Is god afraid of satan? Or wah?

analice107:
Keep walking

i'll keep walking in truth.. U'd keep walking in delusion.. So cool

all i can see is hypocrisy.. Hypocrisy....

4kings:
Those actions were politically motivated.
Just like the early romans who propagated the existence of Christ[Love] (constantine, tacitus, pliny, eusebuis and so on, all romans, no Jewish guy SMH ), slautered men who did not accept chrirt. [Its Just politics to gain control, jesus never existed , deal with it]
Only gnostic christians make sense.

i swear...
Gnostic christianity makes much more sense than this christianity they practise..
The gnostic gospels..
Uve read the sophia of jesus christ?

analice107:
Now that I quoted him what have I said that's disparaging? Maybe you shd check what Otem says to others.
Well, what do I expect from a cut throat atheist? No matter how hard you try, hypocrisy won't kill you.

u mocked him...
U may want to lie..bt u knw u did...
I dnt care what otem does..on tin is sure...
When an atheist voices his opinions...insults nd derogatory comments flow...bt when a christian does so..it seems the christian has a higher human right...
Is it nt what u display?

Jesuobu:
list the flaws. I didn't write this on my own. I was inspired. It's flawless.

how many gods are on earth?
How many seun's are on nairaland?(that claim to be seun)?

analice107:
Hahahahahahahaha. Oh My Gracious God. It's well oo

now u quote otem...
Bt if it were an atheist who quotes a christian or creates a thread abt smtin he disbelieves in..
All hell wud let loose..
Hypocrite...

dallyemmy:
Satan kills not God!

check up these bible verses in ur bible.. Thank u

nice op..
Bt ur presentation is flawed if u compare it the modern day life... Think it thru..u will see the flaws

In the book of Matthew, chapter 2, mixed into the Christmas story, the Bible describes an amazing massacre of thousands of babies: And when they were departed, behold, the angel of the Lord appeareth to Joseph in a dream, saying, Arise, and take the young child and his mother, and flee into Egypt, and be thou there until I bring thee word: for Herod will seek the young child to destroy him. When he arose, he took the young child and his mother by night, and departed into Egypt: And was there until the death of Herod: that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying, Out of Egypt have I called my son. Then Herod, when he saw that he was mocked of the wise men, was exceeding wroth, and sent forth, and slew all the children that were in Bethlehem, and in all the coasts thereof from two years old and under, ...
Think about the thousands of families who were affected by this massacre. The Bible describes their suffering: they wept and could not be comforted. Of course they could not be comforted. If you are a parent, you know exactly how distraught you would feel if an agent of the government came to your door one morning and slaughtered your children..
Why did God do this? Despite Being all-knowing, God knew that this would happen. In fact, according to the Bible, God acted on his knowledge. But why would God take the time to reach down to earth and save his own child, and then allow all of these thousands of other innocent children to die? If God is love, where is the love in that? How could a loving God willfully allow such massive suffering without taking action?
Think about how easy it would have been for God to prevent all of this suffering:
[b](1) God could have appeared to Herod in a dream and told him not to kill these children.
(2)God could have killed Herod.
(3)God could have guided the wise men so that Herod would not have felt mocked by them.
(4)God could have protected the babies.
(5)God could have spoken to the murdering soldiers and turned them away from the task.
(6)God could have sent all of these families to Egypt when he sent Jesus and his family there.
(7)God could have made it so that no male children besides Jesus were born during that time.
(God could have changed history so that Herod was not king. It is easy to come up with thousands of solutions, yet God did nothing. God, by sending his son to earth, was the direct cause of this massacre. And God, as an all-powerful and all-knowing being, knew that it would happen and had the power to prevent it. In fact, God did take direct action to save Jesus. Instead of saving the thousands of other children, however, God stood by and watched as they were slaughtered.[/b]
It is interesting to note that this is not the only place in the Bible where God causes thousands of children to die.
In the book of Exodus chapter 12 verse 28, God writes about one of his early massacres: So the people of Israel did just as the LORD had commanded through Moses and Aaron. And at midnight the LORD killed all the firstborn sons in the land of Egypt, from the firstborn son of Pharaoh, who sat on the throne, to the firstborn son of the captive in the dungeon. Even the firstborn of their livestock were killed. Pharaoh and his officials and all the people of Egypt woke up during the night, and loud wailing was heard throughout the land of Egypt. There was not a single house where someone had not died.
Here the death of the children is directly at the hand of God.
In Isaiah chapter 13, God paints this word picture: Anyone who is captured will be run through with a sword. Their little children will be dashed to death right before their eyes . Their homes will be sacked and their wives raped by the attacking hordes. For I will stir up the Medes against Babylon, and no amount of silver or gold will buy them off. The attacking armies will shoot down the young people with arrows. They will have no mercy on helpless babies and will show no compassion for the children. What a lovely image.

In Jeremiah chapter 49, verse 20, God paints a similar picture: Therefore hear the plan which the LORD has made against Edom and the purposes which he has formed against the inhabitants of Teman: Even the little ones of the flock shall be dragged away; surely their fold shall be appalled at their fate. At the sound of their fall the earth shall tremble; the sound of their cry shall be heard at the Red Sea.
In Hosea chapter 13, God paints a similar picture: Samaria shall bear her guilt, because she has rebelled against her God; they shall fall by the sword, their little ones shall be dashed in pieces, and their pregnant women ripped open
. In Numbers chapter 31, God paints a similar picture: Moses said to them, "Have you let all the women live? Behold, these caused the people of Israel, by the counsel of Balaam, to act treacherously against the LORD in the matter of Pe'or, and so the plague came among the congregation of the LORD. Now therefore, kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman who has known man by lying with him. But all the young girls who have not known man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves. Here Moses, acting as an agent of God, specifies that thousands of male babies and children be killed, as well as thousands of women. The Bible states in verse 35 that the captured women numbered "thirty-two thousand persons in all, women who had not known man by lying with him. " This was not a small attack. Tens of thousands men, women and children were massacred.
In Deuteronomy Chapter 3 we find this: Next we turned and went up along the road toward Bashan, and Og king of Bashan with his whole army marched out to meet us in battle at Edrei. The LORD said to me, "Do not be afraid of him, for I have handed him over to you with his whole army and his land. Do to him what you did to Sihon king of the Amorites, who reigned in Heshbon." So the LORD our God also gave into our hands Og king of Bashan and all his army. We struck them down, leaving no survivors. At that time we took all his cities. There was not one of the sixty cities that we did not take from them—the whole region of Argob, Og's kingdom in Bashan. All these cities were fortified with high walls and with gates and bars, and there were also a great many unwalled villages. We completely destroyed them, as we had done with Sihon king of Heshbon, destroying every city—men, women and children. But all the livestock and the plunder from their cities we carried off for ourselves...
They massacred all the men, women and children in 60 cities at God's request.
Most Christians have never read the Bible.Should we, as human beings living in the modern world, be worshipping a God like this? Doesn't it feel odd to find all of this material in the Bible? Especially the quote from Moses in Numbers 31. You may recall that the sixth commandment is, "Thou shalt not kill." What does God have against children? Why would an all-loving, all-knowing being act in this way?

There are more of such verses in the bible..

What we are seeing here is not a loving God, but instead a demonic executioner working at a massive scale. Why would anyone worship this appalling monster?

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Anas09:
Hmmm. You so slow.

mrs speed.. Why hasnt ur speed taken u to heaven yet?

donnffd:
I sincerely cant imagine how we can live in a world where we have scientists working at the "Large Hadron Collider" in Geneva, Switzerland and simultaneously have young Nigerians(the supposed future of the country) believing in the existence of "African Voodoo"...

it beats me, truly... the backwardness of this continent is giving me headache...

wait wait wait...re u inside my head?...
It pains me that its the bitter truth...

4kings:
**trust problem** huh! Just like u trust Mohammed or any body outside christianitendom.

thank u for spotting out this bitter truth..

promise10:
Would you mind creating a thread STRICTLY for both of us so we can just argue on this ONCE and for all? Would you mind giving it a try?

Just try.

if u have answers to this exact set of questions..kindly answer them here..
If u want us to debate the full bible and the logic of ur faith..ans this to an extent first...or create the thread and invite me..