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Christianity Etc › Re: How Yahweh Turned Himself To A BASTAR*D by raphieMontella: 9:20pm On Aug 14, 2016
otemanuduno:
All the words we read as Holy Books today are actually forged copies of things that has happened millions of years back in the time of the hominids and Neanderthals. yahweh(Nymphidis) was one of the children of the GREAT LIGHT(GOD) who used the BIG BANG to make the universe.
guy i knww where u de get ur ideas(this doct of ufo's) from...im prettty sure
Christianity Etc › Re: Do You Have Any Questions About God , The Bible Or Christianity? Bring Them Here by raphieMontella: 9:11pm On Aug 14, 2016
KingEbukasBlog:
What exactly is the problem ?

1 Chronicles 13:2-4
3 Let us bring the ark of our God back to us, for we did not inquire of[a] it[b] during the reign of Saul.” 4 The whole assembly agreed to do this, because it seemed right to all the people.


Please point it out cos I can't see it
2 chronicles bro
Christianity Etc › Re: For Those Who Claim Bishop Adolf Hitler Was An Atheist by raphieMontella: 9:07pm On Aug 14, 2016
winner01:
Sometimes I try to imagine you as a sincere person. But when I see how you jump to anything anti christian, it makes me reconsider. I'm dead sure you have more christian quotes to your name than this man.

Once the op mentions the date Hitler made those comments, the thread will refute itself.
I have Hitlers anti christian comments and their dates, and ill love to see his christian comments after those dates.

There is hardly any atheist here that has no christian quote to his name, its not just recorded.
Be sincere and people will take you serious. This is why I use memes.
i can show u hitler's christtian comments after he assumed office bro...
Its there on wikiquotes'''...asin i can give u alll..with dates...jst say the word nd ur brain shall see the light...
Christianity Etc › Re: For Those Who Claim Bishop Adolf Hitler Was An Atheist by raphieMontella: 9:04pm On Aug 14, 2016
Weah96:
It's spelled Aryan in the US. Arian is a Christian ideology.
ah taya
Christianity Etc › Re: Atheists In Lagos And Worldwide, Come And Witness Limb Growing Miracle!!!!! by raphieMontella: 9:00pm On Aug 14, 2016
anas09 is here sef... U dnt want to tell me ur location abi? Ur disobeying ur bible o
Christianity Etc › Re: Do You Have Any Questions About God , The Bible Or Christianity? Bring Them Here by raphieMontella: 8:57pm On Aug 14, 2016
KingEbukasBlog:
You know deep down its real wink
explain how 2 chronicles 13:3-4 can happen in a real life settting
Christianity Etc › Re: Where Was God Before He Created Heaven And Earth? by raphieMontella: 8:44pm On Aug 14, 2016
[quote author=jackpiperr][/quote]i know some are figurative..if i didnt..i wudd have given u like 50 verses abt a flat earth..
Bt look closely at those ones i brought...there no metaphor in them...if it was the spirit of god that guided them to write the bible...those passages shudnt have been so...its all the perception of humans...they wrote what they felt...and thought abt the universe...
Job hadnt gone to space so he wudnt knw how earth was..bt his god who guided him and supposedly created the earth shudd know what he created...
Jst as we imagine..they too also..
Probably lonely sherpherds who were bored and began to look up to the sky and started writing what they felt...
In truth some of the biblical scriptures are good...especially the new testament...jesus's philosophy is good..bt it also carries wrong information which s nt good..

One thing I've discovered about religion or any
belief/faith is that it gets to a point where its basic
assumptions/theories break down just as the big
bang theory itself breaks down at the point of a
singularity. When adherents of various beliefs,
religions or faiths get to this point they become very inconsistent and go into the "By any means
necessary" mode rather than owning up to their
ignorance because that undermines the basic
foundations of their postulations.
It is all well and good for you to believe in a Prime
mover beyond time and space with attributes of intelligence and power while I keep an open mind
about the possibility of the world having come
about as a result of randomness and chance in
timelessness/infinite time as they are all
postulations, the only things we can be sure of is
that we came to exist somehow. I believe in Science because it starts from an
assumption of ignorance proceeding to
formulation of theories through observation
without holding those theories as being sacred
discarding them and formulating new ones when
they become inadequate whereas Religion starts from the opposite end, assuming total knowledge
and then bending everything else to fit into that
assumed knowledge. This is the very reason why it
is chaotic, lacks order, divides, causes friction and
has not advanced the human race the way science
has.




The source of man's unhappiness is his
ignorance of Nature. The pertinacity with
which he clings to blind opinions imbibed in
his infancy, which interweave themselves with
his existence, the consequent prejudice that
warps his mind, that prevents its expansion, that renders him the slave of fiction, appears to
doom him to continual error.


M nt against religion that much tho..bt religion iff left unchecked is disastrous..look at isis nd co..past of christianity etc...
Religion needs to be updated...i agree perfectly..
The hope in god/prayer brings comfort to persons bt it makes them lazy nd nt take control of their life...
A religious serial killer wud easily blame his actions on the devil....nd feels that once he says he accepts jesus he is free..nd he starts a cycle..

rather than take full responsibility for it and face the law or go to rehab...
Etc

i do not need a god to know that i have to do what is right...
My morals is frm me nt a god


i do not believe in the afterlife...
I believe that when u die..u die...
Jst as u were non existent before u were born...
Ur level of consciousness increase over time...it is nt static...ur level of consciousness when u were 18mnths old is diffferent frmm ur present level...
I believe man's survival instinct led us to create the afterlife(all in our heads tho)...because we want to keep on living...man wants to be super human thats why the concept of a blissful afterlife exists..
Christianity Etc › Re: Do You Have Any Questions About God , The Bible Or Christianity? Bring Them Here by raphieMontella: 8:16pm On Aug 14, 2016
KingEbukasBlog:
Bro , the thread is on discussion on any topic or subject in Christianity . So you can bring it up ,let's discuss not argue
okay..m bringing it on...
Peaceful discussion abeg..no memes
Christianity Etc › Re: Where Was God Before He Created Heaven And Earth? by raphieMontella: 8:16pm On Aug 14, 2016
[quote author=jackpiperr post]bro..u dnt need to tell me bout yin yang..i knw it...everytin has its positive and negative side...
Eg fire...use it properly u can do wonders....use it wrongly u see its bad side...
Frm all i knw on the bible...i knw satan is an emannation of god...he is the negative force of god..not a being...its smtin that god cudnt stop frm happening if he was going to create the world..smmtin like that...#according to the bible...
I dnt believe in the bible..hope u knw...m jst saying my findings...
Also if u look at the god of the old testament nd the way he does his thingss u begin to wonder if he is god or it is the character of man being potrayed..if he is god..t seems satan shud nt be too judged harshly because that godd is a tyrant...(m nt a christian o..ddnt believe in any of them)
also..the old testament is a construction off what man felt +what he saw at times[like sme tot they saw god's arrows of fire..(probably meteorites or a comet)+ stories which were prevalant at that time...
Theres this book called the bible of enoch and sumerian civilization..these books and the bible share similar stuffs in a way abt the nephilium....many others..like moses birth was stolen frm an akkadian monarch off 3milllenium bce etc... Many other stufffs...u'd knw they are either interconnected to something no one knows or they are jst fabrications and imaginations of the mind abt how they came to exist...
Ma stop here abeg..i dn even de confuse myself..lol
Christianity Etc › Re: Did Moses See God Or Was Timothy Wrong About No One Being Able To see God? by raphieMontella: 8:01pm On Aug 14, 2016
jst look at them... Shallow minded christians... jst playing pascal's wager..and yet claim to be christians... Only few they try..jst few of them.. The rest are gullible and they jst rigmarole
Pets › Re: Help! About To Buy A Dog For N20k by raphieMontella: 7:40pm On Aug 14, 2016
Jacksonville:
Yes o my brother.. All these dogs you see, if you don't handle them like that from their puppy stage, they will grow to become a weakling and a playful type of dog.
haha...train up a dog in the way it shud grow....
And it will never depart from it when it is old cheesy
Pets › Re: Help! About To Buy A Dog For N20k by raphieMontella: 6:15pm On Aug 14, 2016
Jacksonville:
Hey man! This dog looks cute and lively .. Get him at that price, it's normal and take good care of him . Make sure he's well fed with good foods , sometimes can foods too.


It reminds me of my own GSD , sparrow, he looks just like him...and we got him @25k as a 2month old puppy, and he's now 7months old.

Mind you, don't let him get exposed to people and he shouldnt be out always...lock him up always, that will stir up the strictness in him...when he grows , he won't be too playfull but strict.
exactly...
My dog is now a year and 2 mnthss....barks hell at our compound neighbours...t only recognizes the five of us in our family..
Pets › Re: Help! About To Buy A Dog For N20k by raphieMontella: 6:12pm On Aug 14, 2016
Motherfucker2:
That dogs looks like wetin go show the thieves where you hide for under the bed.

Make i advice you as my brother.

Use that 20k go buy 7 goats, the goats go get belle come give you goat pikin, you go sell the pikin for more than 45k

I no trust that dog, e fit see moving vehicle go jump in front of am, and that go be how how 20k take enter voicemail
lol guy na so u be?...
Funny igbo dude
Christianity Etc › Re: Does An Atheist Have A Soul? by raphieMontella: 5:26pm On Aug 14, 2016
Happy sunday man!!...lol..tho i dnt do sundays..
shadeyinka:
You speak like you understand the Bible but your gross lack of understanding is apparent.
Your argument: If Man is a Living Soul and Woman came out of man, then Woman is NOT a living Soul
actually ur argument is:if jesus is god...and angels nd lucifer emanated from god then lucifer can also be called god the creator...
If I was Born from a Parent do I not inherit a "Soul component" of my Parent? If every living Being has their souls could it not be that some things are being transmitted down the line. EVE was NOT a separate creation from ADAM. Eve was from Adam
i tot u said each soul's identity is unique..how can u then take ur soul from ur parents?...ure sharing their souls?..wtf?..how does that even sound to u...?

...but for now, it is a digression to bring theology into the discussion about the soul.
u re the initial bringer of dogmatic books...
Remember the soul is supposed to be smwhere arnd the brain...not a rib..so prove ur soul's eternal property..


..Sidestepping your ignorance in the above statement, "You have a Soul, your Soul is like an operating system (a non Physical Program)" . The function of your soul to that of your physical existence is like that of an operating stsytem to a computer.
ur soul is supposed to be in charge of all actions including basic's like lets say walking..bt ure yet to show an extension...
Like in a computer...there an extension..the firmware#a type of software...programs or self launched programmes all take source from the firmware..
The firmware contained in these devices provides
the low-level control program for the device

Modelling/Simulation of the Simplest microbe:
http://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2012/07/to-model-the-simplest-microbe-in-the-world-you-need-128-computers/260198/

The simplest living organism was done NOT by building by but by Reducing an original synthetic life, called SYN 1.0, and started knocking out and adding back in genes as necessary.
http://motherboard.vice.com/read/craig-venter-created-the-simplest-living-organism-possible-in-a-laboratory

The last paragraph of the website above reads:
""

Which is what I have been saying since the beginning of this Post.
i never told u craig made life from non life...u re bringing words outa thin air..
It was given information bt the cell itself wasnt created..thats why its called synthetic oga..nt abiogenesis
It doesnt change a thing. You have Replaced God the creator with god the Science.
You will understand when you finaly discover that you are not just flesh, bone and blood.
this argument is beginning to switch lanes..nt impressive bro..
IOW As an internet user u worship science...m nt gonna debate it with u..frm ur sayings it is factual..

There is enough evidence of the non physical soul!
im yet to see an evidence that the soul can exist without the body..
Never forget a software is useless without its hardware...

I agree under the direction of that Invisible Software; the Operating System called the Soul. The Operating system of a computer actually occupies the Driver Seat.
bt uve failed to provide evidence of its drivers(sole controller's ability)..
I gave u a wikipedia link on neuroscience of free will..
M sure u shud knw that sm actions are believed to be free will bt are not...

[b]Lemme give u a much better example of how the brain is..
do a simple substitution of consciouness
with the stock Markets, and substitute individual
traders as neurons, You get my general idea that the stock is similar to consciouness.
Millions of individual distinct traders make up and
participate in the Markets, but the Market itself is
independent, being the collective interactive of all
players in the Market..bt when the building/structure/place/area where the market exists ceases to exist..the market does so also..
Another example i want u to reason is the driving of a vehicle....
take two neurons neuron A and neuron B(a buyer and a seller) in the brain(market)..neuron A comes to neuron B to get a particular commodity...in that first day.. Prize is discussed nd commodity is bought and a specified amount of commodity bought is stabilized over time with a stabilized prize..#this is the learning of how to drive a car...
over time the interaction between neuron A and neuron B wud be automatic..such that neuron A doesnt have to talk before neuron B sells goods to neuron A..#when driving ceases to be intentional(manually initiated....t becomes automated)...u can confirm driving's freewill on that wikipedia page.
[/b]
I said ALL Animals including Humans have their Soul. The seat of Conciousness aand Identity. The Center of their Will, Emotion and Intellect.
..and I mentioned that the difference betweem Humans and Animals is that Humans have their Spirits (which of course is another point of discuss..nto for now)
an eternal spirit...eternal has no beginning and no end..bt ur soul has a beginning? And ur god who is also eternal has no beginning?..see ur logic..
Consciousness evolves.Take yourself , for example,
when did you become conscious?
While in the womb or after you were born? At
exactly what stage in your biological growth did you become conscious and self aware?
Would you say that your level of consciousness at
6months, 1 yr, 5 yrs , 8 yrs and now through
adulthood have remained the same, or has evolved
along with you biological development,
environment, culture, education and social exposures ?
Everything evolves, my friend.
Change ( evolution) is the only CONSTANT in the
universe..

The fact that NDEs can be simulated does not prove any point unless of course the definition of DEATH can be altered from the scientific definition. How is NDE simulated?..by causing a clinical death of an individual chemically or physically and attempting to revive the person before an irriversible dammage is done to the body tissues (including the brain). Surely, if a person can be medicall brought back to life from an accident scene, it should not be impossible to clinically cause a "medically controlled effect" of accident which can result in a persons death.
m nt talking bout clinical deaths...m talking bout eletrical simulations...many others..hallucinogenic induced...etc. click here to see the kinda ones i mean..
If it was dualistic..sm certain simulations cannot apply to it...think deep


From the beginning, i have made it clear that Animals have their Souls: Software that Runs evry living Being.

My argument have been, if the soul is a Software, then there must be a programmer! Simple!!
the issue is that a man like soul is nt by design...
Despite our current technology's ability to simulate
autonomy, "Working in a fully automated mode,
they [the computers] cannot exhibit creativity,
emotions, or free will. A computer, like a washing machine, is a slave operated by its components.
AI's can learn nd maximize their chances bt cant have ur claimed freewill nd cannot be moral in the human like sense..


The thing is..
It makes more sense that a self evolved organism
would be self aware than a designed organism.



Let's make it easier by looking at a simple cell. A cell
is conscious as a result of pH, salinty, etc of the environment in contrast to it's internal
environment. eg Ameoba would not enter a
solution that is too salty. Why the receptors at the
pseudopodium would detect it and send a signal to
the nucleus. So it desist from that solution.
The error u made is that u first considered a highly complex organism we are yet to fully understand
rather than taking a simpler organism we can
actually study properly


This your last statements above seems to be the most intellectually matured of all your post on this topic. I appaud this!

However, the Soul IS NOT just merely a conscious substance it is your IDENTITY. The One you call I! or ME! the One whoc decides or chooses, the One who likes or hate, the One who works to control your Body through Your Brain (Your brain is an interface between your Soul and your Body). Except for Reflexes and Autonomous movements, the soul is the action man.

Movement of the Body usually comes from a choice (WILL), you can choose not to reply this post if you Will, Your Soul gives the Instructions and Your brain makes your Body to Comply.
dnt rush sir....read it well...
I asked for smtin like an extension
u see...that extension is needed for an system to perform some base programs...(such as locomotion)
to grab wah i mean ...check up ''hard problem of mind'' or problem of dualistic mind'' ..u'd understand the extension i mean and how it is crucial in computer science..


I have. You were the one who got me wrong.
no u havent...ure nt presentin facts...

If the Soul is the Center of oour WILL, INTELLECT and EMOTION then this OPERATING system has its own Memory. However for the Body (Brain) must have a backup memory of the same information and CONCLUSIONS of the SOUL.

That is the reason why a person who experiences an NDE does NOT see it as a DREAM but as REALITY!
k..lemme make u understand sometin..
[b]But the NDEs are not imaginations rather are
experiences had without the brain but recollected with the brain..how so?
"If NDEs are independent of the brain, how then
can the brain recall such experience when it never
had it?"
It is blatantly unlikely to recall what you never
had... So the question is "how is it that the brain is now needed to recall NDEs when the brain was
never needed to experience it..


Immaterial realm that somehow is recalled by the
'material brain' that never experienced it?
there in lies the problem.. You sighted NDE to use as
basis to infer consciousness does not need a brain
but certainly that leaves a ton of problems begging.
Cus if this consciousness doesn't need the brain then there is no way the material brain can ever
playback the experiences of this independent
consciousness that have gone past it's material
frequency.
But if the 'brain' can do this then it still implies this
consciousness also is dependent and related to the material brain?
U need to look up how memory is built in the brain on wiki..
If they had been brain dead they would have been
organ donors then buried, not interviewed. They
were unconscious for mostly short periods of time,..time distortion is an obvious property of NDEs..i hope u know?
[/b]


Can a Software Exist if a computer Dies? Of course!
(Is a software the Logical Instructions written is a CD, DVD, FlashDrive etc or the Logical Instructions stored in a computers CPU?)
Can a Computer write to the Same Memory device that hosts its OS? Of course!

LOL grin grin grin grin grin
can a software run on its own without a hardware?....
Can a program be independent of hardware?...see ehn
“If you take a couple of drinks, or smoke some pot, YOU become intoxicated. It is easy to understand how the chemicals in alcohol and cannabis can affect the ticking of your nerve cells. But how can physical reactions in your brain cause the psychological or spiritual YOU to get high? If your mind controls your body how does it do so? When you drive a car, you sit in the driver's seat, you push on the pedals with your feet, and you turn the wheel with your hands. If you consider your body to be a biological machine "driven" by your mind, where does the driver "sit"? And how does your purely spiritual or psychological "mind" pull the biological strings that make your neurones fire and your muscles move?”..(all without an extension)..how?

It is called near death because of no better vocabulary to describe this person who is known to have died but here he is still eating Rice and Beans.

LOL grin cheesy grin cheesy grin

..and how come that in ALL NDE cases, the Subjects were AWARE that they had DIED.
Have you every had a dream where you knew that you had died and your Ghost was interacting with others?
even thos who were experimented on felt the same way..
I dnt see ur claim here...
Have u heard of lucid dreams?


Can a Software Program be so intelligent that it has what is called "Artificial Intelligence"?
Can a Software Program be so intelligent that it becomes self aware?
. Can a machine have a mind, consciousness and mental states in exactly the same sense that human beings do? Can a machine be sentient, and thus deserve certain rights? Can a machine intentionally cause harm? nd feel satisfied?



I thank my God you agree there is a possibility that a Designer created you. I am happy for that.
Is the THE BIBLE really the most potent weapon of atheism?
yes the bible is...in reference to the christian god and his logics..
I am a Christian. I believe in the God of Abraham
have u heard of the sumerians? Akkadians? Many other gods which the exodus story suspiciously resembles...which were all written before the time of moses
. I believe there is Life after Death. I believe there is judgement after this life. I believe that there is a purpose for life and exixtence. I believe that the world is a qualifying exam for Gods purpose.
i believe that when u die..u die...u cease to be existent...like how u were before u were born..
Man wants to be super human thats why we created the afterlife...
Our survival instincts made us to try to create our continued existence after death(all in our heads)..bt refuse to share it with fellow creatures eg apes dogs etc...
By claiming they dont have souls...lol

However, If i had come to you with some Theological Grammer, you will not listen for your MIND is made up...but I can reach you through LOGICS, PHYLLOSOPHY and SCIENCE. For either way you look, you will find God.
ur logic is flawed...this is an example of ur logic philosophy nd religion...
Philosophy, science and religion are triplets of
human enquiry and audacious nature. Let me represent the three methods with the
analogy of the black cat..
- Natural questions is like a black cat.
..Philosophy is like being in a dark room looking for
a black cat imagining where it might be.[it could be
anywhere or not even there] … Science is like being in a dark room looking for a
black cat using a torch light [empiricism and
mathematics and logic]
… religion (theology) is like being in a dark room
looking for a black cat and shouting "i found it!!!"
but yet can't provide it....


After finding God, the next question will be determining who the true God is for just as Money, several counterfeits are accessibe.
have u ever considered going to allah's hell?
Or meeting the hindu(abi na buddhists) god of death?
Or greek hades underworld?
..one question u cant answer is why u disprove other religions..
P.s..been busy tho
Christianity Etc › Re: Do You Have Any Questions About God , The Bible Or Christianity? Bring Them Here by raphieMontella: 9:03pm On Aug 13, 2016
KingEbukasBlog:
Jesus must have told them na though the bible did not say or we know the Holy Spirit inspired the authors of the bible so it is very possible the Holy Spirit informed the author .
k..(Y)
i fit bring more?...(im not gonna bring the ones bout flat earth evil etc)
Christianity Etc › Re: Do You Have Any Questions About God , The Bible Or Christianity? Bring Them Here by raphieMontella: 7:41pm On Aug 13, 2016
kingebukasblog.. Can u explain matt 26:43-45 to me? The writer wrote what jesus said when ''he''#the writer was asleep.. M nt tryna mock or smtin.. Ur response wud be highly respected...
Christianity Etc › Re: We Never Actually Die: The Science Behind Eternal Consciousness by raphieMontella: 2:46pm On Aug 13, 2016
NPComplete:
U are sure about this? Absolutely sure? Or are u assuming and having "faith" that u are right?
i can speak only the truth...i do not partake in faith...
Christianity Etc › Re: We Never Actually Die: The Science Behind Eternal Consciousness by raphieMontella: 2:11pm On Aug 13, 2016
The relation between consciousness and body is uncomplicated in the same way that it is uncomplicated that a cubical shape is a property of a toy building block. consciousness is a property exhibited by the body, one among many. Moreover, when the body perishes, so does consciousness, just as the shape of a building block disappears with destruction of the block...
Christianity Etc › Re: Where Was God Before He Created Heaven And Earth? by raphieMontella: 8:14am On Aug 13, 2016
fowosh:
the first mistake I made was correcting u from the nonsense and rubbish u wrote without facts .....Nd silly pple like u wl refuse to succumb to corrections... get da Bleep off
lol without facts?...
Says someone who doesnt know how to use his brain...
Jst get off my mention..didnt ask u to quote me...
So jst gerrara here...
Christianity Etc › Re: Where Was God Before He Created Heaven And Earth? by raphieMontella: 10:12pm On Aug 12, 2016
fowosh:
someone who passed tru the four walls of a university must nt talk the way u re talking....u lack facts.... I wonder where u got ur facts from....only professors in idiotiology wl talk the way u re talking...where in d bible did u see/read dat d earth is flat?
theists will always resort to insults when their gullible faith is threatened...
Ur answer is in my comment above...
Christianity Etc › Re: Where Was God Before He Created Heaven And Earth? by raphieMontella: 10:09pm On Aug 12, 2016
jackpiperr:
Where in the bible does it say the earth is flat? Where in the bible does it say thunder and lightening are God's anger? I await your response with evidence.
was busy with work..okay..
FLAT EARTH
[b]
Job 38:13......taking the earth by its ends/ corners and shaking of wicked people/wickedness off of it...can only happen in a flat world...

Job 11:9 you can read: "Their
measure is longer(broader in GNT) than the earth
and wider than the sea" which also become quite
incomprehensible if you try to
apply the verse to a spherical
conception of the world, but again
corresponds completely with the
idea of a flat earth



Psalms 33:14...frm his abode he looks ''down'' on ''all'' earth's inhabitants...thats possible only on a flat surface..amp tried to soften this ^^^ ..



Psalms 74:17...the limits/borders of the earth was set by god...
Amp wanted to soften by saying borders of seas and nations...bt seas dry up tho so that is no border set by god cs it aint constant...borders of nations are nt set by god....countries(humans) did so..so amp's softening is false...also if u look at the preceeding verses it relates that this was talking abt earth's construct...

..Job 38:44... "Where were you when I laid the earth's foundation?Tell me, if you understand. Who
marked off its dimensions? Surely you know! Who
stretched a measuring line across it?...If the author of the bible thought of a globe
earth then the last question in job 38: 44 should of
read "Who stretched a measuring line around it?"


Isaiah 40:22...the circle of the earth...isiah felt this earth is a circle...maybe by looking at the moon and sun he got the idea..(he used ball in is Isaiah 22:18 so they had a word for spherical shapes then ''dur'')


Daniel 4:10-11,20...Daniel's tree is tall enough to be seen from "the end of all the earth." Only on a flat earth would this be possible..


Luke 4:5...self explanatory..


Revelation 7:1 (AMP) :After this I saw four angels stationed at the four corners of the earth..
This settles it at least the earth is flat nd at least a quadrilateral to john...west east south north is infinite on a sphere...angels cant stamp at one...
''Minor ones''..
Isaiah 11:12...four ends of the earth.. A sphere doesnt naturally have a static north west east south..
Rev 1:7 when he comes with a cloud...all can see him...weird for a sphere...
And many more..i jst took these ones
[/b]

Lightning and thunder

Isaiah 30:30...gods anger produces lightning thunder hailstones etc
psalms 18:13-14..uses lightning to defeat his enemies
exodus 9:23 god's anger on egypt..
Psalms 78:48...
Nahum 1:3 also..
Exodus 20:18-20....
1 samuel 12:17-18...
Jer 10:13 nd jer 51:16 nd psalm 135:7...god is the cause of lightning
other minor cases
Job 37:3 lightning to earths ends
Isaiah 29:6 ...god causes thunder...
1 samuel 7:10
2 samuel 22:14...

Even earthquakes...they also believed rain falls as a result of the opening of heavens nd its windows...all these are human doings...limited knowledge...nt inspiration from a supposed all knowing creator of this universe..
Christianity Etc › Re: Where Was God Before He Created Heaven And Earth? by raphieMontella: 10:32am On Aug 12, 2016
fowosh:
u re saying nonsense......
swerve dude....
My comment is for educated humans...nt illiterates..
Christianity Etc › Re: For The Atheist by raphieMontella: 11:22pm On Aug 11, 2016
DeepSight:
No, sorry, I cannot relate - I would be happy if you would elucidate - with particular reference to the specific context of the more primordial question - "why something instead of nothing?"



No again - I have not asked the atheist to explain science - I have invited the atheist to see that once he refers to any element; then that is a "something". The question should then properly fall on the man who denies the existence of a creative element to show how that "something" arose - provided he cannot show that it logically is a self existent thing.



Atheism represents a state of perverse reasoning conditioned mostly by a lack of right-thinking education and a lack of sober thought.
''why something instead of nothing''...
U mean something from nothing?...
A singularity is not nothing..its something...


Atheism lacks right thinking?..bt theists do ryt?
Can u pls give a proof of that?...


A lack of education?..
..bt the average atheist is smarter(higher intelligence) than the average theist...i cant recall the stuff clearly bt it was a conducted stufff and the results proved it..


A lack of sober thought?
U made a claim..proof


pls i dnt see any reason for insults or harsh words...m only tryna have a peaceful concvo(or argument)
Christianity Etc › Re: Why Do Atheists Enter And Exit Threads Like This? by raphieMontella: 11:05pm On Aug 11, 2016
4everGod:
I will just say that u are lucky i am tired tonight so need to rest myself for a spiritual assignment in early hours of tomorrow so let me just ignore this your Oxytocin gist.

Have a good night
thanks..have a good night's sleep.
Bt i can assure u...the bond formed between mother and child during childbirth is determined by oxytocin...u can try to prove me wrong...bt its a fact..
Christianity Etc › Re: Why Do Atheists Enter And Exit Threads Like This? by raphieMontella: 10:55pm On Aug 11, 2016
4everGod:
As an Atheist how can you tell the difference between Love and Hate? I ask because atheists do not believe that anything matters especially feelings since we are just a bundle of cells and chemicals. So please share with me how come you can feel hate and love?
sometimes(most times) love is determined by a stupid smart as* chemical released by the brain...its called oxytocin...
It dictates the level of affection a woman shows to her child during childbirth...etc
Christianity Etc › Re: Where Was God Before He Created Heaven And Earth? by raphieMontella: 10:12pm On Aug 11, 2016
Horlufemi:
lol

i never said t was frm nonlife...im tellin u that we created information..
Since its still from the same kind of blueprint. It wasnt created, it was copied
u dnt understand my point..t was given new information yes or no?...the only tin is that the cell itself wasnt created..
can u create planets in the lab?...
Or stars in the lab?...
Slow down a bit man

Again you avoided the question, by mentioning stars. We are talking about life forms? simply show me a scientific abiogenesis recreated in the lab. (especially a life form unrelated to already existing life's blueprint of nitrogen bases of adenine (A), thymine (T), guanine (G) and cytosine (C).). You dey mention stars. Life forms are not stars.
again u miss my point..weve observed stars forming..we know how planets form..bt we cant create it..thats what m tryna say..life forms are still encased in the universe..abiogenesis is broad very broad...ive told u before its not been done yet
order cant be gotten from chaos?...
Fashi..lets end this issue here..u dnt wanna open up to the truth

Thank God you know that, Never can ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ with all the punctuations and randomly form a Textbook. Its just impossible. There has to be a hand in it. even if yu give it the age of the universe. the probability of a 300-molecule-long protein forming by total random chance. This would be approximately 1 chance in 10^390. Impossible. Nature will scatter that molecule and it will never even see the light of day
u have misconceptions abt evolution..as well as abiogenesis..i'd avice you click here to gain bettter understanding..enter and find in page ''10^390'' ur ans is there...then u can read through beginning to the end...
kelper earths also lies..yes sperical planets all lies..microbes in space lies...the universe is expanding big fat lie..
Bt a talking snake..ye very true..dividing a sea with a stick truest tin ever...ascending in a chariot of horses to heaven perfectly true...
Producing food from air best ever..


Stick to a topic. Micro-evolution is real, macro-Evolution? not a chance. neo-Darwinism macro-evolution is a fallacy. I was born by humans, my ancestors were never apes
ur arugument heree is like ''seconds are real...bt minutes are nt real...hours?=totally a fat lie..''...thats the logic of ur argument ...man didnt evolve from apes..a common ancestor is not ape..after u'd say u knw the basics of evolution properly..see what u saying
Anyway, the Israelites crossed the red sea, confirmed, chariots of horses could be an aircraft, you may never know. I have my doubts too but they could be explained scientifically too, I wasn't there
horses are aircrafts kwa?..lol...
Ah no fit shout abeg...
Like I said, we can never know, I admit but Macro-Evolution is a bit fat lie. Nothing on evolution is testatble, its still based on assumptions.
have u heard of e.coli experiments?
Fruitflies experiments?..well clickhere to help urself to a well explained list of macro-evolution evidences...
V formation flight(m guessing that's what u mean) cud be smtin learned over time..

V flight isn't learned, it's by instinct. so is the act of shaking water from fur in an instinctive behavior. The leatherback turtle, which must make its way to the ocean right after birth, also uses its instinct to get it to its final destination. A baby kangaroo climbing into its mother's pouch after birth is instinctive behavior. Caterpillars building cocoons, there are millions of innate behaviours exhibited by animals all unlearned, did you teach them?
do u use instincts to drive a car? Or u learn it?...evolution is nt a one day tin stuff...take ur time and go thru evolution properly..all aspects..Migratory movement..returning of creatures to their home lands.. ...not all are instincts...theres this tin called MAGNETORECEPTION read it up..ur answer is there..
symbiosis?...
read up on the yucca plant and yucca moth? ask yourself how and why. you call it co-evolution but one cannot survive without the other.
jst read up evolution and symbiotic relations..
there's a lot i nd science dont know yet..i agree...
Nd u have refused to learn/understand the things learnt..u have a lot of misconceptions abt sm tins..the pic below ends this frm me


Finally, we agree on something, you cannot rule out God. Its not misconception, ive learnt unlearnt and relearened. science actually brought me back to God. Secular scientists will never approve God. Remove untested assumptions from secular science you will find God.
i didnt say there's a god o...
The god u were brought back to is a god of the gaps...thats no god to me..
Using a pic doesn't rule out God, funny thing is that a lot of us don't know him

Macro-evolution will go the same way people who think the earth is flat will.

Cheers.
ur bible said the earth is flat...
We know t is a lie
the bible said thunder and lightning are signs of gods anger...
Another lie..
Are u even a christian or an atheist?
If u tell me there's a god..i agree on the possibility and also tell u there's a possibility there's no god..
Bt if u say that that god is the biblical/quranic abrahamic god....i disagree...those gods are too local..
Christianity Etc › Re: Finally I Have Found Him by raphieMontella: 4:25pm On Aug 11, 2016
christians claim atheists cant argue peacefully bt still do the exact same thing...its all in our human nature

Christianity Etc › Re: For The Atheist by raphieMontella: 4:19pm On Aug 11, 2016
DeepSight:
Does it not occur to you that this question is more adequately directed to the Atheist than to the Theist?
on the cmb...u err there..cmb was predicted as smtin that wud be a product of big bang like origin of the universe before it was found...
Asking it is a lot like asking why there is smoke when u burn paper...(i hope u can relate)
and also u asking the atheist to explain science bt u said atheism is not science...
You all have misconceptions abt atheism(no offence)
Christianity Etc › Re: Imagine If God Talks To People As Claimed. Challenge To Christians by raphieMontella: 4:09pm On Aug 11, 2016
in the end na christians violent pass jst in the aim of proving ntin..

Christianity Etc › Re: Questions For Atheist Who Accept Evolution. by raphieMontella: 4:06pm On Aug 11, 2016
christians ehn

Christianity Etc › Re: For Those Who Claim Bishop Adolf Hitler Was An Atheist by raphieMontella: 4:04pm On Aug 11, 2016
baba 4everGod ...hitler was an aryan christian nau...
Hitler was no atheist...he was highly religious...
Pls for God's Dog sake...
U guys wont double(both side/views) research ...
Christianity Etc › Re: Top 10 World’s Richest Pastors 2016 by raphieMontella: 3:54pm On Aug 11, 2016
lol..legal scam

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