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cloudgoddess... Well said.. Thank you..

winner01:
Most of my relatives are muslims. I have spoken to everyone of them at a time. The best thing is to pray for them and let them see you living the life of God. About 7 or 8 of them are now in christ.

christians also convert to islam..its nt special nau
people switch their belief constantly..or dont they?

You dont mock people out of their delusion, atheists do this all the time.

u dont threaten people into ur belief/delusion(eternal damnnation)
christians do this all the time...
Also they resort to their favourite scripture ''psalms 14:1''..
Acts to make the person who doesnt share their belief feel inferior..

It can only be as a result of insecurity not commitment to human life.

this can also be said for christians

Christians evangelize because they have a mandate.

and atheists are ?
We have a duty to humanity..enabling the continued survival of our species..the same way u feel jesus gave u an order to do so..we cannot see our fellow human dying nd feel unconcerned

We dont force people to accept Jesus

now yes...before hell no..
The history of christianity has its bad sides also..

and most importantly, we dont mock people for their beliefs

christians do..like a lot

No Man has the power to convert another. God is the only One who can change a mans heart.

christians at times belief wit god in them they can do alll things...

The problem is what does it matter to you if you live your life in a lie or not.

if i live my life in a lie...ive wasted the one chance given to me by both my parents and nature..
I shud contribute to the growth,betterment,nd survival of my species..

There is no single thing in this world that atheists do better than christians so what basis do they have

u said it urselff....no single thing..including immoral acts...corruption murder etc

. If I open a thread on what atheists do better, you start hearing annoying stuffs like:
You tend to love better, understand the world better, work harder e.t.c
wtf! like seriously! atheism does this better only with their mouth.

in astrophysics atheists are breaking grounds...
Many things
an atheist fred hollow restored
the eyesight of thousands of humans which ur god refused to do..atheists are not the problem of earth..

Look "it matters a lot" is what you are saying cos atheist leaders have said it and regurgitated it over and over.

nt because someone has said it..these are my own findings

The truth is that it does not matter

i believe it does.
Once you realize that your life is limited and precious, you then extrapolate that onto others and begin to understand the value of their lives as well.

If humans just exist accidentally to exist, then all actions are equal, either good or bad.

nop..if an action can hinder the survival nd betterment of our species,,it becomes wrong/bad..

You people are terribly ignorant that it is in many peoples nature to be bad,

seeking the easy way out to survive lets say stealing is sometimes natural to humans...
Bt thats where the human intellect nd common sense comes in...
E.g we can individually ask ourselves..stealing is it wrong or right? ...if i steal from this person have i helped his survival or put a block in it?
Would i like to be stolen from?
If u ask 100 persons if they'd likke to be stolen from...i doubt anybody will say yes...apply that to murder...etc
if everyone in the planet earth runs around killing each other...will humanity continue to exist or cease to exist?

... some people derive satisfaction in stealing what does not belong to them, cracking peoples heads open, blowing up buildings for money etc.

thats where the laws of the society comes in with a strong criminal justice system.

Not everyone wants to live that socially dictated life of go to school, get a job, have kids and die. Some people want to be FREETHINKERS. Yeah I said freethinkers cos those are the people who really question everything in life. The only things atheists question is religion.

atheists question everytin..if they dont from where did agnostics come from? If atheists dnt question everything why are atheists in various fields of life trying to find out the meaning of this and that?...

And yet in your deluded minds, you feel you can judge such people for the few years of fulfilment/satisfaction they want to live?

i am no judge..bt anyone who breaks the moral code of the society needs to face the results of his actions nd take responsibility of them...not blaming it on satan or anyone...if u believe so much in gods eternal punishment then whats the need for a criminal system?..law enforcement agencies in the world?
Why dont we jst all leave the crime commiters to ur god and see how the world would turn out...
A criminal(a serial killer) may kill for 98 percent of his earth days and decide to completely accpept jesus in the last two percent of his earth days and be good..where wud he go to in the afterlife?

The universe did not care to create you, your existence is meaningless. So why does it matter what you do or what meaning each accidental cell bag makes from life. What position are you in to judge the meaning which other people have given to life?

something is meaningless doesnt mean it cant be given meaning..
The question that we should be asking ourselves is the more profound one: "Given that we do exist, what are we going to accomplish with our existence?"

The fact that you all cling firmly to meaning in life is enough proof that there is a God, for you cant use meaningless to proclaim meaning.

it is not enof proof..
Meaningless at times proclaim meaning...the north star(polaris) has no natural meaning in its position..bt due to the precession in the earths axis..it found meaning and became a navigation guide....
In the next 26k years it wud lose that meaning thru another precession in the earths axis.

What is our situation? We find that we are a race of approximately 8 billion people. We inhabit a chunk of iron, rock and water that is floating though the vacuum of space. The universe we exist within has a volume of perhaps 3,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 cubic light years. To our knowledge there are no other intelligent, conscious beings in this universe. Even if there are, they may be millions or billions of light years away, making them completely unreachable for the time being...

...
We are, potentially, the only intelligent species in the entire universe(if the quantum multiverse is false) . What are we going to do with our existence? Have you ever considered it? Have you ever thought about the goals of the human race?
I tink our goals shud be survival and making heaven on earth(betterment of life)
i fink this is important..because right now we have suceeded in doing the opposite...

Atheist are not cold blooded mammals..all humans have morals...its part of our survival instinct

Image123:
Not because it is in the Bible(write normally please, it is easier to read that way, wetin be cs, u, nt?) i believe because i trust people, and what is said is not out of this world as has already been explained to you. Soldiers can transmit messages to one another. If you speak HONESTLY to your kids, they should believe you except they are bastards.

you trust people...do you trust muhammed?
It is not out of this world..the odds are low...the soldiers are so much..1.2m soldiers..
Had it been something like 3hk soldiers that plausible means would be okay to think about..and he was at the top of a mountain..the energy of sound in air reduces as the distance travelled increases...or were tthe generals anchored att various points on the mountain?
On honesty..my kids would believe me(they may later outgrow it/or refuse to believe) even if what i said is a lie...bt a good father would not lie to his children..
Much said...i still have some more am going to bring up here..

agwom:
Why these questions?

to see sincerity in each religious sect...

mabea:
At times I feel pity for these Atheists,Why? They think they know but they are actually being deceived by the god of this world which is satan himself. It is only fools that say there is no God.

christians like u cant survive these two words :prove it and the u resort to insults...
Pitiful..

Image123:
Thank you for thanking me,
Gen 2:1 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.
Gen 2:2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
Exo 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

new mountains and rocks continually formed. The emergence of a star or planet is not contradictory to any Bible claim...

well said..

Exactly why i am saying that there are christians there. Out of about over 30million people, there are some christians there. i also KNOW people, MY FRIENDS who were born to islam parents and have siblings who still practice that religion but they are christians. These REALITY makes nonsense of your hoping PROBABILITY that someone born of islam parents or someone living in Afghan cannot be a christian. Jesus died for the whole world, and people give their lives to Him anywhere and everywhere. He is not bound. Deal with realities and facts, not with conjectures and whatifs. That is straight enough, the God that knew me from my mother's womb knows and i know that i was born to be God's pikin.

0.2 of a populace...u know christians in afghan?...so u wud have been a christian..
Even in 100 percent islam countries..u wud have seen jesus as the real god?
Ryt?

Who cares? It is not my business or not if he is a liar or a 'truther', it adds nothing to me. If he likes, let him divide the sun into 24, so what? It takes nothing away from the fact that Jesus died for me.

ok...it also does nt take away the fact that muhammed can be the real dude

Psa 19:4 Their line is gone out through all the earth, and their words to the end of the world. In them hath he set a tabernacle for the sun,
Psa 19:5 Which is as a bridegroom coming out of his chamber, and rejoiceth as a strong man to run a race.
Psa 19:6 His going forth is from the end of the heaven, and his circuit unto the ends of it : and there is nothing hid from the heat thereof.

the bolded words give description of an orbital movement of the sun..

Jos 10:12 Then spoke Joshua to the LORD in the day when the LORD delivered up the Amorites before the children of Israel, and he said in the sight of Israel, Sun, stand thou still upon Gibeon; and thou, Moon, in the valley of Ajalon.
Jos 10:13 And the sun stood still, and the moon stayed, until the people had avenged themselves upon their enemies. Is not this written in the book of Jasher? So the sun stood still in the midst of heaven, and hasted not to go down about a whole day.

the sun stood still nd didnt go down the whole day such that night never came till victory was attained...in other words...the movement(orbiting) of the sun determines a day...
Saying it was written at the level man understood the workings of the universe means that the scripture of joshua was nt divinely inspired...
A creator wud know how his creations operate..and an ominiscient one wud have known these scriptures wud also be for future generations nt only that one....this proves it was written by man's initiatives..

Jdg 5:31 So let all thine enemies perish, O LORD: but let them that love him be as the sun when he goeth forth in his might. And the land had rest forty years.

as the sun goes forth it its strength..a kind of movement pertaining to earth....

Job 9:7 Which commandeth the sun, and it riseth not; and sealeth up the stars.

i didnt want to initially include sun set and sunrise verses..like 3 more like that...
Bt this one kinda stood out..
He commanded the sun not to rise..nd it didnt...(in relation to the earth)
a divinely inspired scripture may have said smtin like
which commanded the earth to be stable nd the sun shineth or ariseth not..
Or smtin like
which commanded the earth not to turn in thy own self nd the sun ariseth not
or better still(a creator given word)
which commanded the earth to not spin(turn) like a ball and the stable sun gaveth not her light..

ORBIT: to move around an astronomical object in a path dictated by the force of gravity exerted by that body

None of the above scriptures talks about the Sun moving AROUND the earth, in revolution or rotation context as you are suggesting or implying(i understand your line of argument/query). It is a simple and normal standard of expression as the usual SUNRISE and SUNSET.

they do...especially joshua nd the psalmists...
Scriptures are supposed to be divinely inspired..directed by the holy spirit,,exact words of god etc..
So giving them a man-like idea is nt fitting for a creator god inspired work.

Everybody uses those expression till tomorrow, nobody makes silly noise about it. Only people who have nothing to say will be twisting it as scientific evidence against Bible, the Bible is not your geography textbook. It is like saying breaking one's heart, or my heart jumped. Tha't human viewpoint and expression. And yes, the clouds, the moon and the Sun do move, but the earth also move. Just like in a moving car, the trees appear to be moving when you are the one actually moving. Come to actually think of it, you are not moving in a sense but it is the car that is moving, or even more correct to say that the car is moving you.

everybody does tho not to the extent u claim we do..bt they dont claim to get the idea or are directed by god or smtin likke dat....and they know how it truly works...

Well, that still says nothing about the UNIVERSE being 1000years old. Jesus or Adam and Eve are not the Universe, are they?

according to the bible...god made the universe in six literal days....and he created adam on the sixth day..so u can do the maths...
I jst gave it ten k years..
Its even younger than that frm ur biblle....lets say 6100 years old...so answer why that happens if the universe is 6k years?

The cause of the River Ogun in Egbaland is different from the cause of the River Ogun from the christian viewpoint too, some people think that it was a human being that became river, you know?. The cause of the economic issues in Nigeria is different in the mouths of the two major political parties. Does that mean that there are no economic issues?

if the economice issues they describe are not true..then they may nt be economics issues to tackle...the real economic issues may be hidden frm both parties...
Bt the two parties claim to knw the true economic issues nd blame the other opposition for it or label the other opposition as a lier(the economic issues brought by the other)

The homo neanderthals are not homo sapien, are they?

no they are not modern homo sapiens..
If the bible/quran said we started offf as homo sapiens since the inception of the universe
From where did they come from?

KingEbukasBlog:
Strawman - you falsely represented the views of Christians and Muslims . False conclusions could be drawn

i ask again sire...where did i?

Hasty Generalization - not everyone holds the views you presented .You generalized from insufficient evidence

is it that muslims dnt believe in muhammed or what sire?

Shortgun argumentation - you are inundating your opponents with too many arguments[/quote]baba all these grammar are unnecessary..dnt knw ur corelation with grammar..

winner01:
Then ill tell him its a lie. If he sounds so convinced, ill make my findings. If I discover its a lie and he's still pretty sure about it, then its a case of delusion. Ill leave him to live his life and not mock him everyday of my life.

k..bt this works two ways
a christian wud nt leave a muslim or an idol worshipper to do his stuffs...because he feels they are delusional..and that delusion wud lead to eternal damnation..so the human in the christian tries to win that person to his belief...
Is this true or not?

If u substitute the terms..
Its kinda like the same tin for an average atheist..
Wudnt want his fellow human to keep on living a lie when he/she has jst one life to live...
We both knw Christians first startted the evangelism..

Afterall, the universe does not care what you do or dont do, so why are bags of cells deluding themselves into thinking their beliefs or disbeliefs matter?

because every bag of cells have jst an average of 30k days on earth..so it matters a lot...utilizing that chance given to each bag of cells to make the earth better is relevant.
We all have ethics...
Atheists are not cold blooded mammals

Thank you ffor ur sincerity

Image123:
What does a sinner know about honesty? Anyway. Who said that creation stopped since far back as 10000years ago? Where was it said? What context was it said?

Gen 2:1-2.....Exodus 20:11
cheers..

There are christians in Afghanistan, and i have christian friends who were born to muslim parents and still have some muslim siblings. There are also people born inside church and children of Reverends and Prophetess that are not christians. Christianity is not by the first birth, ever heard of the phrase "BORN AGAIN"?

afghanistan is 99.8% islam...
Nd like i said..u were born to islam parents...
So i jst need a straight answer...if it were u..what wud u be ?

What if they did? Whose fault and whose business? How does their doing or not doing that affect my life?

ok..it doesnt...then it doesnt make muhammed a liar also...

Where does the Bible say that the sun orbits the earth?

psalms 19:4-6
joshua 10:12-13
judges 5:31
job 9:7

Who said that the universe is approximately 10000 years old?

dating backwards from the birth of jesus in 4BC it has been dated that the adam and eve story took place around 4004BC ...(genesis stories)

Hell is real, i do not think you should fear it, i think you should avoid it. There is nothing like the christian hell, it is as foolish as saying the christain sun or the christian earth or the christain river.

in religion...they may be...
The cause of the hell in christianity differs frm that of islam...
Or do the two gods co-function?

Because there was no need to. Why did the Nigerian constitution not make mention of it? Why is it not stated in any of your certificates or any of your family's certificates or documents?

nigeria did nt talk about the creation of man...neither did my family claim to create planet earth...
Bt the homo neanderthals were kind of a sub species of homo sapiens..nd god seemingly the all creator...failed to say so of such...nd said the origin of man started with a homo sapien..

winner01:
I believe in the existence of the Nigerian Government. I lack a belief in the existence of the Niger-ghana government. I dont spend my life dwelling on it.

ok..
But if someone then tells u the Niger-ghana government exists...wont u speak ur opinions abt it?
And if somehow mysteriously a huge number of persons believe in that government...wont u ponder why? And in some instances ask why they do?

Thank you for your sincerity..

lordnicklaus:
I cannot explain this. Though I would have said that God has already subjected the universe to the principle of motion.

in other words..he set the motion..not create them..that wud contradict the bible tho..

surely, I would have called Allah God

i appreciate sincerity here..bt it begs some questions tho..like substituting this event for the real world...doesnt it then create confusion on the real god? Or doesnt it make choosing the right god to be a probability?

Verily, I do not

okay..if u apply this vice versa..well i leave it to the heavens

the earth orbits the sun.

thank you

this I do not know

aiit

I do not vouch for the barbaric doctrine of hell neither do I believe in an infernal confine of eternal
punishment

ok..well said

The book of Job made mention of men dwelling in caves. I would post the verse when I remember it.

aiit..i await..

winner01:
The only answer I have for you; Go and learn what a "LACK OF BELIEF" means.

does lacking belief prohibit me from speaking on a concept?
Does ur lack of belief in the present nigerian government prohibit u from talking about it?

felixomor:
Shallowness on display!
Please o, how did u arrive at your estimated christian view for the "age of the earth" or age universe so to say ?

Please explain in detail,

the adam and eve event is dated to 4004 BC
i even elongated the age for benefit of doubt..
Or did i forge this?

winner01:
Answer at your own peril. Have you ever spoken to a tree?
Well, i guessed so too. Except that this tree spends its only life wanting you to become a tree with him.

ts nt a matter of god...as u see..i didnt isolate christianity...its a matter of general sincerity..
So if u have answers..answer
if u dont have answers..u prove me right indirectly...
I may be a tree..bt i am a tree of life...

KingEbukasBlog:
Your post is suffused with logical fallacies - strawman , Hasty generalization and short gun argumentation

I'm a progressive creationist , there are old earth creationists and new earth creationists .

Plus there are people who have different views and opinions about Hell

pls point out the logical fallacies...thank u

malvisguy212:
how old are you ? What the point in answering your questions when you already reject the answer ? Wait for the next person to answer you.

what has age got to do with the questions above.?
I stated that because of my no 2 question..
M pretty confident u wont admit allah is the real god...
Or wud u?

Budweiser:
Where did you see that the universe is 10,000 years old??

its even younger than that according to creationists...
The story of adam and eve date back to 4004bc m jst giving t a latter date...
Islam states no exact age of the universe except once it said a day of the lord equals a thousand years..(nd allah made the earth in 6 days..approx 6k years..20th century -6th century gives abt 14 centuries ...7.4k years..so lets jst say islam puts.the universe to 10kyrs..
Cheers

malvisguy212:
Title of your thread, "will lie when answering " seriously ? You really want to argue. Goodluck with your thread. Bye

i jst want u to state ur answers..majorly in yes and no..with lil points if need be
I dnt have the intent of procuring an argument..

1.Christians and muslims ...if creation had supposedly stopped since far back as 10000 years ago,why are stars like FU ORIONIS being birthed inside the last 100 years.?
2..Christians if you were born in Afghanistan to muslim parents which God wud u have called the true God?
Muslims if you were born in the Vatican city(a country) or Greece to staunch christian parents which God wud u have called the true God?
3...Christians do you believe Muhammed rode a flying horse and divided the moon into two?
Muslims do u believe yahweh made a donkey talk?

4..Christians and Muslims do u believe the sun orbits the earth as ur holybooks said it did or do u believe the earth orbits the sun?

5...Christians and Muslims ..if the universe is jst approx. 10000 years old...then how does the light from
the ANDROMEDA GALAXY which is supposed to take 2.2 MILLION YEARS to reach the earth reaches us?
6...Christians why dont u believe and fear the islamic hell and Muslims why dont u believe and fear the christian hell? ....

7...Christians and Muslims ..why did ur holybooks make no mention of HOMO NEANDERTHALS? And how is it possible that the fossils of them are being found if the earth is jst 10000 years old?
cc:winner01 kingsebukablog 4evergod felixomor malvisguy212 image123 Empiree worldword etc..

felixomor:
Good question.

eliminate the thought of god... Then ask urself this question Murder..is it right or wrong?

4evergod2:
What is truth to an Atheist? Atheists have no moral code so why speak the truth? Your truth may well be lies due to your lack of morality. So tell me, what is the essence of truth for an Atheist?

truth is that the afterlife is an illusion..
Believe if or not..all humans have morals...
What is the meaning of life? It is about loving and being loved. It is about helping and being helped. It is about giving and receiving, asking and accepting. It is about working with other people and allowing them to work with you.nd enabling survival of the species... Life is about dreaming of something better, and then making it happen. For all of us now. For our children in the future. Life's meaning is about what we do today and tomorrow with the time we have available. It comes in thinking about that time -- that precious moment that is your life -- and making the most of it in a way that is unique to you.
Once you realize that your life is limited and precious, you then extrapolate that onto others and begin to understand the value of their lives as well ...
there is no "afterlife" and no "heaven" in the religious sense. Therefore, we should begin to build Heaven on Earth. Why is this important? Because right now, for a majority of people on this planet, what we have created is Hell on Earth...
Cheers...

malvisguy212:
Am I the one that say so ? Go and ask the church of satan, click the link I paste.

Do you want to abandon atheism ? Accept jesus and His work of salvation, time is running out, on that day you have no excuse, are you ready to abandon Atheism ?

do i look like a satanist?...u nd satanists believe in mystical figures...
Do u want to abandon christianity?
Accept the tooth fairy into ur life and see the wonders of her...

KingEbukasBlog:
Do you know that there is no compelling evidence that Aristotle , Plato and other philosophers that lived before Christ existed , just what we read in books about them . But you accept them anyway . And when it comes to religion you become overly pedantic ?

bros easy oo...
Aristotle works survived nd we have them...
Plato's works survived nd we have them...
U can only say that for socrates...nd thats where the socratic problem comes in...his existence has been debated...
Plato and aristotle both have direct eye witness accounts...unlike jesus...the first gospel ''Mark'' dates as far as 40 years after the death of jesus..in a period where life expectancies were low....and was nt written byy an apostle of jesus....
Comtemporary historians during jesus's existence didnt mention jesus(during his lifetime)...like phio the great abi na alexander the philo smtin like dat...
..whereas jesus was very famous and did great stuffs bt cudnt be recorded by them..
..many stuffs...
Jesus to me was jst a rabbi who was a humanist...

JMAN05:
You are the one that do not read the bible with understanding. The event didn't happen within the same time frame. Disprove it let me see.

the two writers gave the birth story of jesus and where he was met by the wise men....
They gave two different accounts...so one is wrong..

If u cannot read the preceeding andd succeeding verses...then dont reply

marcmao:
this is highly barbaric...this pastor needs to be reprimanded and sent to eida jail or rehab for a long long time..
All in the name of christ..
such nonsense..
How will africa ever move forward?



So supporting the acts of their deeds will move AFRICA 4WARD BA?
#Ewu

it is the level of ur illiteracy and ur likes that has halted the forward motion of this continent and set us on a reverse direction...
Have u ever come across ''sex education'' before?
Primitive mammal..

what happened to all the cockatrice's in the bible why dont they no longer exist?

Vorp:
tt
Old fool!!

may ur generation flow in the direction of ur words

this is highly barbaric...this pastor needs to be reprimanded and sent to eida jail or rehab for a long long time..
All in the name of christ..
such nonsense..
How will africa ever move forward?

kevoh:
Let me have your number on this thread, so that I will send you the video on your whatsapp. Too much eyes on the other thread and hiding of posts.

okay..

there is ntin like the last day...
U shud knw jesus lied...
Its only normal that men wud be so...we are all humans...(as per the cruel part)
jesus is nt coming..face it or leave it

see small boiz o... After they will say it is the devils handwork.. Mtsw