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Carshopper, the depths you will descend in order to sell a vehicle is distasteful.
Your antics have been revealed and your twisted ways are out in the open, you should be ashamed of yourself!!!

The original file is too large to attach.

Does this mean the file I sent you is different from the one above? It's the exact same thing showing time and date the report was obtained and the no odometer readings found comment is as above. There's no need to upload the file, all you have to do is copy and paste it like I did from my Word file.

Besides, the run date is 2008 and not a live report like the Carfax, that is the issue.

CarProof is as live as it gets, as confirmed by the time and date stamped on the report above - it reports to the minute unlike Carfax and costs CAD35 for each report, not unlimited reports for USD like CARFAX. Please check your facts before posting, how many untruths have we uncovered already?
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Why is he disparaging me?

If you are referring to carshopper, I have no idea. You'll have to ask him. All I see is that he set up this grand scheme to draw your attention away from my Camry.

I said you offered me 2.9m. I never said that was what your wife said,

N20k is inconsequential.

I state again - that's a direct quote. I brought up the quote to buttress the fact that both you and Carshopper were offered the same last price.

By the way you offered Carshopper 2.7 while you offered me 2.9, please check your thread again,

What you may not realise is that this car was first listed before it was even shipped and before the exchg rate took a drastic turn. At some point, it was even listed for N2.7m- that is what my statement to carshopper relates to, I never offered to deal with him for N2.7m and it would be the height of mischief for anyone to interprete my statement to mean that. It's easy to see you took that quote out of context. That was my response to carshopper saying I formerly listed for N2.8m.

Might be a good idea to compare the exchg rate on Nov 23/2008 to what it is today. I doubt you'll admit it but the listed price at the time you contacted me was N2.9m which I raised to N3m (to provide for the Nigerian factor - people want to haggle no matter what)  after you first sent me an email and before I even knew your username on Nairaland.

As for attacking you on your own thread 

rasmur5:
I'm guessing this is the reason for your mischief on my thread? desperation must feel terrible.

My comments were very clearly addressed to Carshopper, not you or maybe I'm dealing with the same individual? I don't play games, the whole setup with carshopper to impugn my integrity is not acceptable. I'm not trying to sell at all costs because car-selling is  not my source of livelihood and I will not let faceless individuals make baseless insinuations against my person or inventory.

As I stated before; this has now become very messy and I have no wish to do business with you. I'm sure Carshopper can find you something to suit your personality. I am also certain that I will sell my vehicle to the right buyer despite all the mischief and bad belle. What goes around comes around. Good luck.

Carshopper, 

I am shocked at your lie, desperation truly is a terrible thing. Well, truth always triumphs.


ahonahai,

This is the same figure my wife gave you and you said N20k was "inconsequential."

I have no wish to do business with you.

I see this is getting really messy, I will now proceed to post my email to Carshopper.


Ras Mur to carshoppas
show details 8:58 AM (5 hours ago) Reply


Sorry but I'm unable to go any lower than that.
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On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 8:49 AM, carshoppas carshoppas <carshoppas@gmail.com> wrote:

we are both car sellers i have a ready client, lets make it final at
2.850million and we close the deal tomorrow by God's grace, i have
got another camry that i am negotiating on also, let me know


On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 7:46 AM, Ras Mur <rasmur5@gmail.com> wrote:
> Carshopper,
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> You're a professional so I don't need to tell you what the exchg rate has
> done to prices. I'll take N20k off the N2.9m so we can do business.
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> On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 8:14 AM, carshoppas carshoppas <carshoppas@gmail.com>
> wrote:
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>> lets do it for 2.8milion and we settle the payment tomorrow, my
>> client is ready asap as in sharp sharp, lets do this tomorrow
>> morning, thanks,expect a reply
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>> On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 7:11 AM, Ras Mur <rasmur5@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > Hello Carshopper,
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>> > Car is still available but lots of interest in it. Will accept N2.9m.
>> > Sorry
>> > for not replying earlier, I'm in Canada and 8 hrs behind. If you're
>> > game,
>> > let me know so I can give you contact details.
>> >
>> > On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 12:45 AM, carshoppas carshoppas
>> > <carshoppas@gmail.com> wrote:
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>> >> Is your camry still available?the 07, have a client for it and he
>> >> needs it urgently today, reply asap, i will offer you 2.8million
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>> >> ®Am a BRAND, U are my IDENTITY "Redefining Purchase and Delivery"
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>> ®Am a BRAND, U are my IDENTITY "Redefining Purchase and Delivery"
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®Am a BRAND, U are my IDENTITY "Redefining Purchase and Delivery"

The Carproof report you emailed me is dated 2007

Here is the CarProof report, note the bolded information. Ask anyone that sells cars in Canada - CarProof gives live up to the minute information. It is totally untrue to claim it's reporting from 2007 when it clearly states 2008.

Vehicle History Report #1038621

A Vehicle History Search was performed on the referenced vehicle and completed on the date and time indicated. After searching the relevant databases in each of the Provinces and Territories of Canada and the United States, CarProof provides the following authentic Vehicle History Report:
SECTION 1 - VEHICLE INFORMATION
Vehicle VIN: DELETED, CAR SOLD
Year/Make/Model: 2007 Toyota  CAMRY/LE/XLE/SE
Body Style: Sedan 4 Dr.
Assembly Location: United States

SECTION 2 REPORT SUMMARY (SEE BELOW FOR DETAILS)
Date: 11/23/2008
Time: 3:20:00 PM Canadian Vehicle Summary United States Vehicle Summary
Registration Records Registration Records Found No Records Found
Vehicle Status Normal No Problems Found
Odometer Readings No Odometer Records Found No Odometer Records Found
3rd Party History No Records Found No Records Found
Insurance History No Records Found
Data Reporting •  Newfoundland Not Reporting
•  Northwest Territories Not Reporting
•  Saskatchewan Not Reporting

SECTION 3 - CANADIAN VEHICLE REGISTRATION HISTORY
Alberta Alberta Transportation
4999-98th Ave., Edmonton, AB T6B 2X3
This vehicle has been registered as:
Stolen: No Rebuilt/Rebuildable: No Moved: No
Record Found: No Salvage: No Inspection Required: No Sold: No
Non-Repairable: No Abandoned: No Incorrect VIN: No

This vehicle is not registered in this jurisdiction.
________________________________________
British Columbia Dept. of Transportation, Province of British Columbia,
Victoria, BC V8V 1X4
This vehicle has been registered as:
Stolen: No Rebuilt/Rebuildable: No Moved: No
Record Found: No Salvage: No Inspection Required: No Sold: No
Non-Repairable: No Abandoned: No Incorrect VIN: No

This vehicle is not registered in this jurisdiction.
________________________________________
Manitoba Dept. of Transportation
1075 Portage Ave., Winnipeg, MB R3G 0S1
This vehicle has been registered as:
Stolen: No Rebuilt/Rebuildable: No Moved: No
Record Found: No Salvage: No Inspection Required: No Sold: No
Non-Repairable: No Abandoned: No Incorrect VIN: No

This vehicle is not registered in this jurisdiction.
________________________________________
New Brunswick Dept. of Public Safety
364 Argyle St., Fredericton, NB E3B 5H1
This vehicle has been registered as:
Stolen: No Rebuilt/Rebuildable: No Moved: No
Record Found: No Salvage: No Inspection Required: No Sold: No
Non-Repairable: No Abandoned: No Incorrect VIN: No

This vehicle is not registered in this jurisdiction.
________________________________________
Newfoundland Dept. of Government Services & Lands
149 Smallwood Dr., St. John's, NL A1B 4J5
This vehicle has been registered as:
Stolen: No Rebuilt/Rebuildable: No Moved: No
Record Found: No Salvage: No Inspection Required: No Sold: No
Non-Repairable: No Abandoned: No Incorrect VIN: No

Caution, Newfoundland has not returned any data on this vehicle. This does not mean that data does not exist, this data will be updated once the provincial data has been reported.
________________________________________
Nova Scotia Service Nova Scotia and Municipal Relations
1505 Barrington St., Halifax, NS B3J 3K6
This vehicle has been registered as:
Stolen: No Rebuilt/Rebuildable: No Moved: No
Record Found: No Salvage: No Inspection Required: No Sold: No
Non-Repairable: No Abandoned: No Incorrect VIN: No

This vehicle is not registered in this jurisdiction.
________________________________________
Northwest Territories Dept. of Transporation
4501-50th Ave., Yellowknife, NT X1A 2L9
This vehicle has been registered as:
Stolen: No Rebuilt/Rebuildable: No Moved: No
Record Found: No Salvage: No Inspection Required: No Sold: No
Non-Repairable: No Abandoned: No Incorrect VIN: No

Caution, Northwest Territories has not returned any data on this vehicle. This does not mean that data does not exist, this data will be updated once the provincial data has been reported.
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Nunavut Director of Motor Vehicles - Government of Nunavut
P.O. Box 207, Gjoa Haven, NU X0B 1J0
This vehicle has been registered as:
Stolen: No Rebuilt/Rebuildable: No Moved: No
Record Found: No Salvage: No Inspection Required: No Sold: No
Non-Repairable: No Abandoned: No Incorrect VIN: No

This vehicle is not registered in this jurisdiction.
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Ontario Ministry of Transporation
1201 Wilson Ave., Downsview, ON M3M 1J8
This vehicle has been registered as:
Stolen: No Rebuilt/Rebuildable: No Moved: No
Record Found: Yes Salvage: No Inspection Required: No Sold: No
Non-Repairable: No Abandoned: No Incorrect VIN: No

This vehicle has been registered as Normal in this jurisdiction.
Vehicle is registered and currently has no abnormal statuses
________________________________________
Prince Edward Island Dept. of Transporation and Public Works
11 Kent St., Charlottetown, PE C1A 7K2
This vehicle has been registered as:
Stolen: No Rebuilt/Rebuildable: No Moved: No
Record Found: No Salvage: No Inspection Required: No Sold: No
Non-Repairable: No Abandoned: No Incorrect VIN: No

This vehicle is not registered in this jurisdiction.
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Quebec Societe de L'Assurance Automobile du Quebec
333 boul. Jean-Lesage, Quebec City, QC, G1R 5H1
This vehicle has been registered as:
Stolen: No Rebuilt/Rebuildable: No Moved: No
Record Found: No Salvage: No Inspection Required: No Sold: No
Non-Repairable: No Abandoned: No Incorrect VIN: No

This vehicle is not registered in this jurisdiction.
________________________________________
Saskatchewan SGI
2260 - 11th Ave., Regina, SK S4P 2N7
This vehicle has been registered as:
Stolen: No Rebuilt/Rebuildable: No Moved: No
Record Found: No Salvage: No Inspection Required: No Sold: No
Non-Repairable: No Abandoned: No Incorrect VIN: No

Caution, Saskatchewan has not returned any data on this vehicle. This does not mean that data does not exist, this data will be updated once the provincial data has been reported.
________________________________________
Yukon Territories Dept. of Infrastructure - Government of Yukon
P.O. Box 2703, Whitehorse, YT Y1A 2C6
This vehicle has been registered as:
Stolen: No Rebuilt/Rebuildable: No Moved: No
Record Found: No Salvage: No Inspection Required: No Sold: No
Non-Repairable: No Abandoned: No Incorrect VIN: No

This vehicle is not registered in this jurisdiction.
________________________________________

SECTION 4 - UNITED STATES & CANADIAN HISTORY
United States Summary No U.S. Title/Registration Record on File

Vehicle Title Check Report (United States)
Problems Checked Results Found
Abandoned No Abandoned Record Found
Damaged No Damaged Record Found
Fire Damage No Fire Damage Record Found
Grey Market No Grey Market Record Found
Hail Damage No Hail Damage Record Found
Insurance Loss No Insurance Loss Record Found
Junk No Junk Record Found
Rebuilt/Rebuildable No Rebuilt/Rebuildable Record Found
Salvage No Salvage Record Found

Vehicle Problem Check Report (United States)
Problems Checked Results Found
NHTSA Crash Test Vehicle No NHTSA Crash Test Vehicle Record Found
Fire Damage Incident No Fire Damage Incident Record Found
Frame Damage No Frame Damage Record Found
Major Damage Incident No Major Damage Incident Record Found
Manufacturer Buyback/Lemon No Manufacturer Buyback/Lemon Record Found
Odometer Problem No Odometer Problem Record Found
Salvage Auction No Salvage Auction Record Found
Water Damage No Water Damage Record Found

Vehicle Information Summary Report (United States)
Problems Checked Results Found
Accident Data No Accident Data Record Found
Corrected Title No Corrected Title Record Found
Driver Education No Driver Education Record Found
Duplicate Title No Duplicate Title Record Found
Emission/Safety Inspection No Emission/Safety Inspection Record Found
Lease No Lease Record Found
Lien No Lien Record Found
Livery Use No Livery Use Record Found
Government Use No Government Use Record Found
Police Use No Police Use Record Found
Rental/Fleet No Rental/Fleet Record Found
Repossessed No Repossessed Record Found
Storm Area Registration/Title No Storm Area Registration/Title Record Found
Taxi Use No Taxi Use Record Found
Theft No Theft Record Found

Combined Canadian & United States History Details
Date Location Source Type Category Odometer Country
9/29/2006 KITCHENER ON Motor Vehicle Dept. CANADIAN RENEWAL Canadian Renewal
10/31/2007 KITCHENER ON Motor Vehicle Dept. CANADIAN RENEWAL Canadian Renewal


SECTION 5 - ODOMETER READINGS
Date Location Mileage (In KM) Data Source
No Records Found

No Odometer Problems Found
SECTION 6 - 3RD PARTY HISTORY
Anti-Theft Systems

Vehicle VIN Date of Marking Sherlock Reference No. Odometer Reading
No Records Found

Inspection Records

No Records On File
Maintenance Records

No Records On File
SECTION 7 - CANADIAN ACCIDENT AND COLLISION ESTIMATE DATA
CarProof reports Canadian accident and collision estimate data from many different sources. "Accident Data" reflects actual accident incidents reported and the dollar amount of the incident described. "Collision Estimate Data" reflects data generated by a collision estimating facility while in the process of estimating the amount and extent of damage to a vehicle. It is possible that CarProof may report Accident Data and Collision Estimate Data for the same incident.
Accident Data

Vehicle VIN Date of Inspection Alert
No Records

Coverage Data
Coverage Dates Province Policy Status Claim Record
No Records

Accident Incidences -

FANTASTIC News!! CarProof.com has searched over 35 million Insurance Claims and Policy history records from the Private Insurance Industry in Canada. NO record of any accident has been found.
Vehicle VIN Date Of Accident Type Of Accident Damage Amount
No Records


Definition of Terms
Collision - Vehicle: Incident related to vehicle collision
Total Loss: Incident equals or exceeds current value of vehicle
Fire Claim: Incident related to vehicle fire
Comprehensive Theft: Incident related to vehicle theft
Miscellaneous: Incident to vehicle not involving collision, fire or theft
Collision - Trailer: Damage to Trailers

Accident Estimate Data
Report Date Activity Type Point of Impact Estimate Amount Date of Incident Location Odometer Reading
No Records Found


SECTION 8 - CANADIAN POLICE INFORMATION CENTRE (CPIC)
Stolen Vehicle Check: No stolen records found
CPIC is operated by the RCMP under the stewardship of National Police Services, on behalf of the Canadian law enforcement community. This vehicle's identification number has been checked in real time against the CPIC stolen vehicle registry and has returned the following result:

No stolen records found

INFORMATION ON REPORTS
CarProof's Vehicle History Report is compiled from multiple sources. It is not always possible for CarProof nor its U.S. VIN data provider, Experian Automotive, to obtain complete information on all vehicles, therefore, there may be other title brands, odometer readings or discrepancies that apply to this vehicle that are not reflected on this report. CarProof and its US. data provider, Experian, search data from additional sources where possible, but all problems and discrepancies may not be reflected on the CarProof Vehicle History Report.

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©2008 CarProof. All Rights Reserved

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@ ahonhai

Don't forget my observations, It's a great car at a good price but there was a mileage disparity between what was reported on the Carfax and the actual mileage. You stated that Car was used in Canada which I have no objections to but I asked you to account for the extra 20,000 miles or so between when it was reported on Carfax and when it was shipped. This you were unable to do.

Not sure what you mean by disparity as the word would suggest something's wrong here. This is the Carfax:

2007 TOYOTA CAMRY/LE/XLE/SE
vin deleted, car sold
SEDAN 4 DR 2.4L L4 FI DOHC 16V
FRONT WHEEL DRIVE

No accident/damage reported to CARFAX
CARFAX - 1 Owner vehicle
22991 miles Last reported odometer reading on 10/15/2007 

 
A CARFAX Vehicle History Report is based only on information supplied to CARFAX. CARFAX checked over 5 billion vehicle history events and found 3 record(s) for this 2007 TOYOTA CAMRY/LE/XLE/SE (4T1BE46K37U022860).




Purchased: 2006
Type: Commercial
Where: Ontario
Est. miles/year: ---
Est. length owned: 9/25/06 - present
(2 yrs. 2 mo.)





CARFAX 1-Owner vehicle! These vehicles are often worth a higher price because they tend to be consistently driven and maintained.
Date: Mileage: Source: Comments:
09/25/2006      Ontario
Ministry of Transportation    Registration issued or renewed
First owner reported
Passed safety inspection
Vehicle color noted as Blue

10/15/2007    22,991    Ontario
Ministry of Transportation    Odometer reading reported
Odometer reported as 37,001 kilometers

11/01/2007      Ontario
Ministry of Transportation
Kitchener/Waterloo, ON    Registration issued or renewed
Registered as commercial vehicle

Perform an Ontario lien search

The 22,991 is miles which is the equiv of the 37000km. The Carproof report doesn't show the mileage, but the car now has 81000km on it. If I said it now has 25000km that would be called a disparity. I bought the car from a dealership on the same date shown on the Carproof report, in Nov/08. I didn't ask about the gap because as my wife told you - the dealership is a reputable one and I'm not a fraudster myself so why get worried because 1 yr is unaccounted for? This is not the only car that has reporting that stopped a year ago, I have 2 other vehicles for sale and both have up to date reporting. From the CarProof report I sent you, you can see the reporting is "live" and if anything derogatory had happened it would be reported on there.

I asked you to account for the extra 20,000 miles or so between when it was reported on Carfax and when it was shipped. This you were unable to do.

How can I account for the gap when I hadn't purchased the car during that period? If you didn't know before - vehicle reports are based  on information provided to the reporting agencies. It's not the job of a seller to make up a story. I already crossed you off as serious buyer when you again asked my wife today for pics  of the car in Lagos because you can't go to Ikeja for a physical inspection.

That's the best I can do, the car is there for anyone to confirm if it's been used in Nigeria and the clearing documents confirm it's a new arrival. I really don't see the controversy and like my wife told you, if you're not comfortable with the car, no problem.

I thought it unwise to point out to her that you were also talking with someone else about the car.

My wife knows everything that's going on with the cars, infact she has more time than I do because I'm a busy professional. As my wife informed you, "there are several parties interested in the car including those off Nairaland and whoever comes up with the money first gets the car" so am unable to understand your surprise? If you haven't put money down on something, you can't expect the seller to stop talking with potential customers. I'm glad you and Carshopper can share notes and know that I offered you both the same last price.

Carshopper:
got one, 2007 honda accord, v6 engine, fabric seats, priced at 2.9million

I'm guessing this is the reason for your mischief on my thread? desperation must feel terrible.

Does "negotiable" mean I have to sell at the price you're offering?
S'far as I know, if I give you a final price that is substantially less than the listed price - that counts for negotiable.
If the price is  not mutually satisfactory, everybody moves on, no reason for the descent into mischief.


@ Topic

This car is still available for serious inquires.

Available

@ Carshopper - I even went as low as N2.7m at a point.
What's with the childish behavior?
You going to throw a tantrum here?
Are you trying to tell me the price wasn't listed at N3m before you contacted me?
Please take your drama elsewhere!!!

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@ Khaycii

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Without any intention of stirring the pot, I know for a fact that is not igwe's real name and I doubt the account of his background posted above is real.  I suppose Cosjo is just making fun,  I will only counsel that we leave people's family (ies) out of anything that happens here. Let's limit our words to the people we are addressing without reference to family members; that is very disrespectful.

I mean no offence to anyone.

I'm sorry your friend was so hurtful. In answer to your last paragraph:

Who defines who and what you are? Ancestry? Parentage? Where you were born or what you believe to be true for you? And are you African if you were not born in Africa?

I define who I am, always have and always will. I was born and bred in Nigeria and though I have dual citizenship still consider myself a Nigerian first and foremost. My kids were not born in Africa but are immersed in the culture and have been brought up to see themselves as African first because that is their heritage, that is their ancestry and I think it's important that kids know what their lineage is.

For people from the Carribeans, of course it's difficult to trace your lineage and sadly in most cases nothing can be done about that but you should be proud of whatever part of your ancestry you know.

We don't choose how we are born or which culture or race so don't let anyone make you feel in anyway inferior. They are certainly no more special than you are because they could easily have been in your own shoes too.

Hold your head up and be proud of YOU everyday of your life.

Wow

Does anyone know what happened?

I would advice you secure the visa first, then seriously consider if you'll be able to afford to have the child in Sweden. Don't know much about their health care system but I suspect like most developed nations there's some sort of assistance in the form of grants and subsidies that the lower income groups enjoy. If that's the case, the actual delivery should not be a big deal. You may also be able to get a visitor's visa for your mom or partner's mom to help closer to delivery and after birth.

For the social assistance, ensure you live like a student even if you have a lot of money - live in subsidized student accommodation and all that.

One mistake you don't want to make is assume you can go back to the embassy for a student visa for you and the baby if you have the baby in Nigeria. There's no guarantee they will give you+baby or you alone the visa once the child is born thus my advice to secure the visa first and then consider your options. Best wishes.

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