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Politics / Re: Nigeria Speaks-out Against Same-sex Marriage At The UN by ravgach: 9:16am On Oct 24, 2013
manny4life:

Dude, I sincerely advised you to stick to what you know. I'm no expert on American economy or the "GAY" topic, but equating both is disturbing. America isn't flourishing because of greed and corruption, sexuality is one of several social issues, however, this isn't related to America's economy. Part of the issues stagnating the U.S. Growth is

Domestic economic policies - on this issue, you have tax laws, unemployment wages, corporate greed, and what not. On the economic and fiscal side, a MAJOR blow to the U.S. is her debt, managing her debt comes with a stiff price, such that it threatens the global economy. Prime example, the U.S. lost more than $30billion in revenues and an estimated $100+billion in economic added value during the 17days shutdown. How do you expect to make up for that?

Foreign polices and global dominance - on this issue, the U.S. has lost credibility at least, fighting three wars, plus trying to be world police, plus their policies and how it affects other nations has direct consequences on the U.S. $$$. When the U.S. made a move against Syria, Russia countered, well guess what? The U.S. $$$ took a hit, and guess who's directly affected by such actions? The U.S. Government and her citizens. Believe it or not, U.S. Foreign policies have some sought of effect on her citizens.

Anyway, I said I won't argue this, believe what you want.

You just said you are an ignoramus. So you only think everything is figures and policies. You need some good education on a lot of things including the implications of an unbridled freedom.
Politics / Re: Nigeria Speaks-out Against Same-sex Marriage At The UN by ravgach: 8:27pm On Oct 23, 2013
masonkz:


Lol. As funny as it sounds, the acceptance of gay people in Nigeria is more realistic than the coming of the Christian' Messiah.

Anywhere gay is being welcome, there will always usually be God-basing!
Politics / Re: Nigeria Speaks-out Against Same-sex Marriage At The UN by ravgach: 8:19pm On Oct 23, 2013
oti-igba:
if nigerians call them selves Religious, why dont we get hold of all the gay people pray for them to healed?

They do not need healing in the sense you mean. They actually need sincere repentance and a return to God!
Politics / Re: Nigeria Speaks-out Against Same-sex Marriage At The UN by ravgach: 8:17pm On Oct 23, 2013
Sagamite:

Which countries did God close down? undecided

You want to use your useless fairytales for arguments?

Gay lifestyle is synonymous with atheism. If you call the record of the Bible fairytales, I will not quarrel with you because people bigger, better, richer and more powerful than you have gone this way without any headway. Many of them have died miserable, shameful deaths.
Scientists have confirmed there is actually Sodom and Gomorrah. That is where the word Sodomy comes from. You cannot rewrite history with your lack of knowledge.
Politics / Re: Nigeria Speaks-out Against Same-sex Marriage At The UN by ravgach: 8:06pm On Oct 23, 2013
Miss EZ:

Do not think that because Countries like the US make it possible for homosexuals to get married, that they are not homophobic. Gay people get bullied and harassed in the US on a daily basis, however, the law makes it possible for gay people to defend themselves and file assault charges where necessary.

I do not have to support someones lifestyle to respect it. I do not believe in polygamy, it doesnt mean that i will disrespect someone who does. Let us learn to differentiate sentiments from the law. The way i see it, it is the same a persecuting someone for their religious beliefs. People should be free to associate with whomever they please, just as long as they are not infringing on the rights of anyone else. I think terrorists such as boko haram should be feared more than homosexuals. Like i said earlier, once we have dealt with more pressing issues, the issue of homosexuals can be revisited. For now, it is inconsequential to the economic development of the country.

That is the challenge! equating this stinking evil with religious beliefs and normal marriage between a man and woman/women. The difference is that between the heaven and the earth. Being gay is actually very, very serious issue, an issue that made God to close down two known countries forever! I wish the world would understand the seriousness of the danger we face by this kind of lifestyle.
Politics / Re: Nigeria Speaks-out Against Same-sex Marriage At The UN by ravgach: 7:55pm On Oct 23, 2013
manny4life:

My friend, please stick to the topic you know. America isn't flourishing not because of your hypothetical theories, but simply, they deviated from their core founding principles. From immigration, wage laws, consumer protection policies which affects unemployment to fiscal, economic and foreign agendas, these are the negatives affecting the U.S. and not some cooked up bs. Please if you want to argue this, look for someone else, but I will set the record straight if I have to.

The deviation is a symptom of the disease eating them up - licentiousness, freedom without control, homosexuality! Gay lifestyle is actually going to take over America and will lead to their eventual collapse and breakup like the former soviet union. It will be some parts of the country that will recover themselves much, much later.

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Politics / Re: Nigeria Speaks-out Against Same-sex Marriage At The UN by ravgach: 7:06pm On Oct 23, 2013
Flygeriansteve: Hate the 'sin' not the sinner.
PS: Om the flip side, funny even America must have had this cross section of homophobic views in the 1800s. Time will tell.

I agree with you 100%! Hating the sin also is making sure the sinner does not have a conducive environment to commit the sin. It is just like make drugs unavailable so drug addicts do not kill themselves.

If someone is gay, he needs a lot of help and support from loving people around. He need to be helped to be free. We pray for them but we also help them not to commit the crime by preventing them from committing it.
Politics / Re: Nigeria Speaks-out Against Same-sex Marriage At The UN by ravgach: 7:02pm On Oct 23, 2013
manny4life:

Comparing SA to Russia is dumb and foolishh, compare Russia to the U.S., the result are clear.

America is worse for allowing gay lifestyle to flourish! When they were straight, they prospered more than now that they have an Obama with all his negative policies including gay.

An abomination is an abomination no matter how it is polished!
Politics / Re: Nigeria Speaks-out Against Same-sex Marriage At The UN by ravgach: 6:58pm On Oct 23, 2013
Miss EZ: Nigeria has far bigger problems than gay marriage. Insecurity, poverty, education, employment, corruption should be the major cause of concern and not gay marriage. One thing the Nigerian government is good at is distracting people from the main issues. I have noticed Nigerians love to be distracted as long as they can blame someone or something for their woes.

I am NOT in support of a homosexual lifestyle, however, the gay bill is very stupid and a violation of the human rights of the people. It is not the governments business who a person sleeps with as long as it does not involve sexual abuse, rape or pedophilia. Everyone has that right to privacy. To give homosexuals 14 year imprisonment term as against Boko Haram who often gets 3-5 years is really daft and stupid. Misplaced priorities all around. God will help this country.

Nigerian Government should focus on more pressing issues such as corruption, insecurity, education, infrastructural development, healthcare, etc. Once those things are settled, we can begin to worry about homosexuals.

Yes o! There are lots and lots on our hands but we will not in any guise worsen it by allowing gay marriage or gay whatever in Nigeria. It will be like jumping from frying pan to fire.
Religion / Re: Little Teachings on The Holy Trinity{A must Read For all Christians} by ravgach: 9:46am On Oct 21, 2013
Deha:
How can you say that Jesus is Dead and gone? Didnt the same Bible that told you He died,tell you that He arose and ascended into heaven? Why are you this biased?
We know you dont believe in Jesus,but saying things that are not true about Him is wrong! If you read in the bible that he died,then,you should have seen that He arose too....
John20:9 "They still did not understand the scripture which said that He must rise from Death"....
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Do not be like Thomas who said "...Unless i see in His hands the print of nails,and put my finger into the print of the nails,and put my hand into His side,i will not believe"{JOHN20:25}....
Jesus said "Blessed are those who have not seen,and yet have believed"{John20:29} for a reason...
If you dont want to Believe in Jesus Christ,good,but making a caricature of Him? I advice you to stop that please!

Sound counsel!
Religion / Re: Little Teachings on The Holy Trinity{A must Read For all Christians} by ravgach: 1:12pm On Oct 18, 2013
philfearon:
I am beginning to Love You bro...Yeah,i have been making that mistake of trying to be insistive always as regards to the Likes of JMANO5,Which makes me use obscene words sometimes...But i will try to put a stop to it.....

Thank you very much for your understanding. Let us go back to the main issue.

We have been able to at least show that the scriptures support the doctrine of the Godhead.

I have noticed that of all the members of the Godhead, the Holy Spirit is the grossly misunderstood. A lot of people call Him "an impersonal active force" meaning He is no different from the "power" generated by electricity. This is not true at all. The Holy Spirit is a Divine Personality. The Third Person in the Godhead. Yes the power of the Holy Spirit is comparable to "electric power" to the extent that it is usually invisible but makes clearly visible impact. The difference however is that electric power is unintelligent, impersonal, limited in nature and power and is not divine etc. From my limited knowledge, after reading the account of creation in Genesis, I come to see creation from this point of view:

In the beginning, GOD (The Father) spoke the WORD (Jesus Christ) and the power of His SPIRIT (Holy Ghost) brought things to being.


One of the ways we can know and understand that the Holy Spirit is a personality, is to compare Him with the Evil Spirit. We can at least agree that the opposite of the Holy Spirit is the Evil Spirit or the Spirit of the Devil. If you check the account of the ministry of Jesus Christ and the Apostles, you will notice in most of their encounters with Evil Spirit that they had interactions with them. I will not be able to reel out all the scriptural passages now, but I will give just three.

MARK 5:8-10

For He had been saying to him, "Come out of the man, you unclean spirit!" And He was asking him, "What is your name?" And he said to Him, "My name is Legion; for we are many." And he began to implore Him earnestly not to send them out of the country.…

MARK 1:24-26

"...saying, "What business do we have with each other, Jesus of Nazareth? Have You come to destroy us? I know who You are-- the Holy One of God!" And Jesus rebuked him, saying, "Be quiet, and come out of him!" Throwing him into convulsions, the unclean spirit cried out with a loud voice and came out of him.…"

ACTS 19:5

"And the evil spirit answered and said, Jesus I know, and Paul I know; but who are you? ... "

You can see from the above, that the interactions were very intelligent. This shows that they are not "impersonal forces" but intelligent and organized personalities. If they are intelligent and organized, how much more the Spirit of God!

Look at what Jesus said concerning the Holy Spirit in John 15:26 “But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of Truth, which proceeds from the Father..."

Jesus is also called the Comforter in John 14:18 - "I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you." also in John 14:16 - "And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter..."

God the Father is also called the "God of all Comfort" in 2 Corinthians 1:13 "Blessed be God, even the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of mercies, and the God of all comfort."

Rev 22.17: "...And The Spirit and the Bride say, "Come!"

Acts 13.2: "While they were worshipping the Lord and fasting, the Holy Spirit said, "Set apart for me Barnabas and Saul for the work to which I have called them."

I Tim 4.1: "The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits.."

John 16:13 "Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, [that] shall he speak: and he will show you things to come."

THEIR UNPARALLELED WISDOM

Romans 11:34 - For who hath known the mind of the Lord? or who hath been his counsellor?

Isaiah 40:13 - Who hath directed the Spirit of the LORD, or [being] his counsellor hath taught him?

Mark 6:2 - On the Sabbath He proceeded to teach in the synagogue; and many, as they heard Him, were astonished. "Where did he acquire all this?" they asked. "What is this wisdom that has been given to him? And what are these marvelous miracles which his hands perform?
Religion / Re: Little Teachings on The Holy Trinity{A must Read For all Christians} by ravgach: 4:34pm On Oct 17, 2013
philfearon:
Exactly bro..This is the point i was trying to Prove to that JMANO5 guy,but his ignorance and Stup.idi.t.y got the better of him!!
Thats why JW alwaz end up arguing in every home they go to preach...They think they Know,hope someone will help me tell them the Definition of a "F.O.O.L" is one day!!

It will not be correct to call people name on the basis of what they believe. Yes, we may say it is erroneous not be accept the Deity of Christ, but we must be people of empathy. We must be patient with them and wait on the Lord in prayer for them to have full understanding of who He really is. Do not forget there was a time we did not know even a bit of what they know now not to speak of what we now know. We also have commandment of the Lord, to SPEAK THE TRUTH IN LOVE.
Crime / Re: Father Slept With His Daughters, Claiming To Save Them From Premature Death by ravgach: 3:43pm On Oct 17, 2013
Sermwell: Dis man should be hanged abeg joor! His daughters ar better dead 4rm birth dan dis eternal course he is heaping on dem claimin rubbish! Kudos 2 d son! The only sane person among dem

Despite the wife's pleas, I think the law will still take its course. Looks like she is a PDP member. This 'family affairs matter' must stop!
Religion / Re: Little Teachings on The Holy Trinity{A must Read For all Christians} by ravgach: 1:02pm On Oct 17, 2013
philfearon:
You tried,but you and i know that thats not the answer to the question i asked bro...........

Thank you. Like I said, there is no way we can completely find out God or have complete knowledge of his doings. We shall know these things in the fullness of all things when we have by His Grace made it to eternal life by obedience of scriptures and acceptance of Jesus as Lord and Savoir.
Religion / Re: Little Teachings on The Holy Trinity{A must Read For all Christians} by ravgach: 10:30am On Oct 17, 2013
philfearon:
I have come to know your level of comprehension,and frankly speaking,you should stop showing ur ignorance in public...Just an advice though!
I told you that God is Mystery,and you said its a lie..I asked u 4 simple questions,and you Flawed yourself!! You could have Shut up!!!
Hope u have seen the answer i gave to that ur childish analogy in that "Angel Michael is Jesus " thread?

The three Personalities in the Godhead share similar attributes, some of which are as follows:


THE FATHER is referred to as:
1. The God of Power. Psalm 62:11 "...That power belongs to God. "Yours, LORD, is the greatness
and the power and the glory and the majesty and the splendor..." 1 Chronicles 29:11
2. The God of Wisdom. Proverbs 2:6 "For the LORD gives wisdom..."
3. The God of Glory. Ephesians 1:17 "...the Father of glory..."
4. The God of Truth. Psalm 31:5 "...O LORD God of truth."
5. The Water. Jeremiah 2:13 "For my people have committed two evils; they have forsaken me the fountain of living
waters, and hewed them out cisterns, broken cisterns, that can hold no water."
6. The Lord. Deuteronomy 29:29 "The secret things belong unto the Lord Our God..."

THE HOLY SPIRIT is referred to as:

1. The Power of God. Luke 1:35 "The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High [/b]will overshadow you...";
2. The Wisdom of God. Isaiah 11:2 "And the Spirit of the LORD shall rest upon him, the Spirit of wisdom...";
3. The Glory of God. Numbers 11:25,26 And[b] the LORD came down in a cloud…"; 1Peter 4:14 "...for the spirit of glory and of
God rests upon you..." .
4. The Spirit of Truth. John 16:3 "But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes..."
5. The Water of life. "He who believes in Me from his innermost being will flow rivers of living water. But this He spoke of the Spirit"
6. The Lord. 2 Corinthians 3:17 "Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom."


THE SON (JESUS) is referred to as:

1. The Power of God. 1 Corinthians 1:24 "Christ the power of God..."
2. The Wisdom of God. 1 Corinthians 1:24 "Christ the wisdom of God."
3. The Glory of God. John 1:14 "And the Word was made flesh, and dwelled among us, (and we beheld his glory…" "Now, Father, bring me
into the glory we shared before the world began..." John 17:5
4. The Truth. John 14:6 "I am the...truth..."
5. The Water. John 4:10 “If you knew the gift of God and who it is that asks you for a drink, you would have asked him and
he would have given you living water.”
6. The Lord. John 20:28 "My Lord and my God!"

Also check out these few scriptures:

Ephesians 2:18 "For through him (Jesus) we both have access by one Spirit (Holy Spirit) to the Father (God the Father).

John 3:34 "For He (Jesus) whom God (The Father) has sent speaks the words of God; for He (God) gives Him (Jesus) the Spirit (Holy Spirit) without measure."

Acts 10:38 "How God (The Father) anointed Jesus (The Son) of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost (Holy Spirit) and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him."

Matthew 28:19 "Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost"

1 John 5:7 "For there are three that bear record in heaven, THE FATHER, THE WORD (JESUS), and THE HOLY GHOST: and these three are one."

2 Corinthians 13:14 "The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit, be with you all. Amen."
Religion / Re: Little Teachings on The Holy Trinity{A must Read For all Christians} by ravgach: 10:30am On Oct 17, 2013
philfearon:
I have come to know your level of comprehension,and frankly speaking,you should stop showing ur ignorance in public...Just an advice though!
I told you that God is Mystery,and you said its a lie..I asked u 4 simple questions,and you Flawed yourself!! You could have Shut up!!!
Hope u have seen the answer i gave to that ur childish analogy in that "Angel Michael is Jesus " thread?

The truth about the Godhead, which is commonly called Trinity, is a very clear teaching of the Scriptures. I think we should stop at that and avoid personal disagreements.

Arguments about how God looks like or His make-up, is not very essential to our salvation. God is who He is and we cannot change Him by our arguments. Although wrong notion about Him can lead an individual or organization to several other errors, the most important thing is that an individual has personal relationship with Him through repentance from 'dead works' and acceptance of Christ as Lord and Savior. That way, God Himself will show the individual through the scriptures who He really is.
Religion / Re: Little Teachings on The Holy Trinity{A must Read For all Christians} by ravgach: 2:42pm On Oct 14, 2013
philfearon:
Like i said previously, The Perfect knowledge of God remains a mystery,and it is undisputable.
Like i have said in that Jesus being Angel Michael Thread,The greatest aid done to the Bible is to translate it to English,which is God's doing,because,English is the most Spoke language on Earth....In its original form,i wouldnt have understood what the Bible is about,and i would nt be saved;which is nt what God intended..God intended that His words circulate the Earth in a language each will understand..So,get that ur English lexicon to rest.....
The problem is,when God reveals a small atom of Himself to a person,the Person wil think he knows God very well,and starts speaking from that view,forgetting that there are a whole lot of other atoms of God he knows nothing About....
...
Okay,lets get into philosophy..
1}Where did God come from?
2}Where have God been b4 he created the universe?
3}God is Spirit...So how does a Spirit have a Spirit in Him?
4}Genesis1:2,Where did the waters{Oceans} that the Spirit of God hovered in come from? Expecially, since nothing was created yet?
....Do well to answer this and don't dodge anyone, since u claim to know God...

1}Where did God come from? Isaiah 57:15 "...The High and Lofty One who dwells in eternity."

2}Where have God been b4 he created the universe? Ephesians 1:23 "...the fullness of the one who fills everything in every way."

3}God is Spirit...So how does a Spirit have a Spirit in Him? God is more than just Spirit. He is a Spirit. He is a personality.
His Spirit is His Power. Luke 1:35 "The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High [/b]will overshadow you..."; [b]His Spirit is His Wisdom. Isaiah 11:2 "And the Spirit of the LORD shall rest upon him, the Spirit of wisdom...";
His Spirit is His Glory. Numbers 11:25,26 And[b] the LORD came down in a cloud[/b]…"; 1Peter 4:14 "...for the spirit of glory and of
God rests upon you..." God is Mystery personified. His Spirit is His whole essence!

4} Genesis1:2 Where did the waters{Oceans} that the Spirit of God hovered in come from? Genesis 1:1-2 "In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters." In verse 1, God has already made the heaven and the earth. The water was there already as an evidence of life preparatory to the creation of living things. It was from it that dry land appeared in verse 9.
Religion / Re: Little Teachings on The Holy Trinity{A must Read For all Christians} by ravgach: 8:55pm On Oct 11, 2013
philfearon:
You will do good,if only you open ur mind....
You said,and i quote "Jesus is God,but not God Almighty"...
So,why do you find it hard to believe that He is God the Son? Whats so hard to believe?...
You believe He is the Son of God,good...Do you want us to go into The Existence of God and The Characteristics and everything about God in a Philosophical way? Do you want us to go deep into the Mystery of God? which i know you know nothing of,except what Your "Awake" tells u!
Do you want us to go into Theodicy? You seem to think that you know God,but i bet you,if you know God from the Philosophical perspective as i do,You will stop exposing your ignorance in Public!!

From the little I know about Genesis 1:26 "Let us make man in our own image, the clause there in original text is "Elohim" meaning the "Strong Ones". This suggests that God consulted the Godhead before making man. This is supported by Genesis 5:1-2 "When God created mankind, he made them in the likeness of God. 2He created them male and female and blessed them. And he named them “Mankind”a when they were created". This passage throws away the suggestion that the Father was consulting with Angels. Are we made in the likeness of angels?

Jesus is the Almighty God. “I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, says the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty” (Revelation 1:cool

Those who are calling Jesus a 'god' are ignorant. The Bible describes mankind as gods. The Bible also calls Satan the god of this world.
"..The god of this world..." 2 Corinthians 4:4. "...Ye are gods... John 10:30-33; Ps 82:6

Why are they reducing Jesus to this level? The devil is fighting His Divinity. We are not deceived because we know satan's devices. We
take the testimony of God the Father concerning Jesus "But about the Son he says, "Your throne, O God, will last for ever..." Hebrews 1:8; Ps 45:6

The word "Trinity" is not found in the Bible but the word "Godhead" is littered in Scripture:

Colossians 2:9 says, “...For in him [Jesus] dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily.”

Acts 17:29 "We ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man's device..."

Romans 1:20 "For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead..."

A lot of us confuse the Person of Jesus really because of is peculiar nature. Jesus is completely Man. He is also Completely Divine.
Sometime Jesus makes statements as a mere man and those who are lettered in spiritual matter will capitalize that to say He is not
Divine. At another time He says and does things that only the Divine can do and some others are confused also. If you know the dual personality of the Lord Jesus, you will have no difficulty understanding fully who He really is. But can we really know God completely? Can you by searching find out God? can you find out the limits of the Almighty? ... Job 11:.7 My answer is sincerely No. But from the glimpse of what has been revealed, Jesus is nothing less than Divinity. Jesus is God!
Religion / Re: Do We Go Straight To Heaven After Death, Or After The Resurrection? by ravgach: 12:00pm On Oct 10, 2013
haibe:

Common don't tell me you want to be biased in this case.

If SPIRIT=BREATH or DRY GIN

Can we say BREATH=DRY GIN?

What kind of unintelligent logic is this?
Religion / Re: Do We Go Straight To Heaven After Death, Or After The Resurrection? by ravgach: 11:37am On Oct 10, 2013
haibe:

You see the reason why Nigeria may never grow is because people like you are in authority, people who misuse things just like you are misusing words.

In my words above, I said phantasma means phantom in English and phantom means illusion or a ghost.

Now this is what I said:

PHANTOM=ILLUSION OR A GHOST just like:
MANKIND=MAN OR WOMAN.

NOW can you say MAN=WOMAN according to the equation above??

DOES THIS GUY KNOW WHAT IT MEANS TO BE PRINCIPLED. DOES HE UNDERSTAND WHAT INTEGRITY IS? HE KEEPS DENYING HIS OWN WORDS EVEN AFTER SEEING IT CLEARLY OR SO I THINK.
Religion / Re: Do We Go Straight To Heaven After Death, Or After The Resurrection? by ravgach: 11:17am On Oct 10, 2013
haibe:

Show me where I SAID GHOST MEANS PHANTOM OR ILLUSION.

YOU ARE TOO DULL

So if the word mankind refers to both a man and a woman, does that mean a man=woman? or that man=mankind?

IT IS EITHER YOU ARE LIVING IN DENIAL OR YOU DO SEE CLEARLY AND DO NOT HAVE UNDERSTANDING. THESE THINGS ARE IN 'BLACK AND WHITE':

SCENE 1:

JMAN05:

the greek word used at mark 6: 49 is different from the one used when Jesus appeared to them.

the word that appeared in mark is PHANTASMA = phantom (that is probable where that english word came from).

So the right translation in that mark6 is phantom or apparition(interlinear) NOT ghost.

SCENE 2:

haibe:

Thanks for the correction:

which of the definition is used for phantom in that verse. my dictionary has 2 definitions.

noun (plural phantoms)

1. Something apparently seen, heard, orsensed, but having no physical reality; a ghost or apparition;

2. something elusive or delusive. An image that appears only in the mind; an illusion.

synonyms: ghost.


SCENE 3:

haibe:

JMAN corrected me that the greek word translated spirit there is "phantasma" when infact I thought it was PNEUMA as used in other verses for spirit and so I went ahead to confirm and found out this is actually true, you think am like you that someone will tell you something and you would turn a deaf hear without going to confirm

The greek word [/b]translated [b]ghost in that verse is PHANTASMA, phantasma means phantom in english and according to my dictionary phantom means an illusion or a ghost


I WANT THOSE WHO WILL READ THESE WRITE UPS AND YOUR CONSCIENCE TO JUDGE.

I must add that you are a disgrace to those who have been deceiving you. You expose them silly!
Religion / Re: Do We Go Straight To Heaven After Death, Or After The Resurrection? by ravgach: 11:01am On Oct 10, 2013
haibe:

Show me where I said ghost=illusion. You are so proud to the extent that after finding out I never said it is illusion, you had to go and quote someone else's post as though I was the one that posted it, BE HUMBLE TO ACCEPT MISTAKES, I NEVER SAID GHOST=ILLUSION.

Jesus could not have meant illusion, he described something, an illusion is simply something that appears to be what it is not and cannot be described as not having flesh or bones, use your sense.

Jesus meant ghost not illusion, although phantasma means ghost or illusion but Jesus could not have meant illusion since it doesn't fit the description of not having flesh and bones.

you are confused, quote another person' s post again saying "I SAID".

AS SLIPPERY AS AN EEL
Religion / Re: Do We Go Straight To Heaven After Death, Or After The Resurrection? by ravgach: 10:51am On Oct 10, 2013
haibe:


look BE HUMBLE, you said earlier that night vigil is wrong and now you are saying the sentence in which it is used is cannot be wrong.

okay let me make it easier for you:

1) Can I use disembodied spirit in a sentence, is this right?

2) Can I use night vigil in a sentence, is this right?

YES or NO answer please, I don't need stories.

Why not get your acts together for once! Incoherence here and there!


You have labored so hard to 'prove' that ghosts mean "spirit of a deceased person". You also told us from the same dictionary that ghost mean "Phantom" and "illusion" which means "non-existent" "imaginary" "magic" "unreal" etc. Now tell me: DO YOU NOW BELIEVE GHOST EXIST? Can we assume that what Jesus told His disciples was: "See me, THE SPIRIT OF A DECEASED PERSON does not have flesh and bone as you see I have" IS THIS CORRECT? Can we also assume that Jesus is conversant and believes in this "non-existent", unreal" phenomenon?

Please attend to this questions.
Religion / Re: Do We Go Straight To Heaven After Death, Or After The Resurrection? by ravgach: 10:45am On Oct 10, 2013
Itsfacts:

he has always been like this. Change is view each time he posted. I don't even know what he believes. Sometimes he sounds like he is saying ghost exist sometimes he sounds like they don't exist.

in one sentence he will say someone saw a ghost and close the sentence by saying ghost don't exist.

EXACTLY! May be he is fighting 'theocratic war'. Those who have been flooding his mind and spirit with errors may have taught him this system. Deception is freely used by error peddlers to prove their errors and they do not have any issues with it. It is called 'theocratic war'.
Religion / Re: Do We Go Straight To Heaven After Death, Or After The Resurrection? by ravgach: 10:38am On Oct 10, 2013
haibe:

If truely you are not a deceiver, show me where I said ghost=illusion.

You are funny person my brother.

So if Spirit means breath and an angel, does that mean an angel=breath?

you need to be converted, lol.

HERE YOU GO AGAIN:

haibe:

Thanks for the correction:

which of the definition is used for phantom in that verse. my dictionary has 2 definitions.

noun (plural phantoms)

1. Something apparently seen, heard, orsensed, but having no physical reality; a ghost or apparition;

2. something elusive or delusive.An image that appears only in the mind; an illusion.

synonyms: ghost.


BEFORE THAT THIS:

JMAN05:

the greek word used at mark 6: 49 is different from the one used when Jesus appeared to them.

the word that appeared in mark is PHANTASMA = phantom (that is probable where that english word came from).

So the right translation in that mark6 is phantom or apparition(interlinear) NOT ghost.


You have been arguing blindly with ISFACTS and shouting you are being misquoted. I hope you will be principled for once to admit your errors and correct them.
Religion / Re: Do We Go Straight To Heaven After Death, Or After The Resurrection? by ravgach: 10:18am On Oct 10, 2013
haibe:

What is the difference between a SPIRITUAL BEING and a SPIRIT BEING.

don't change it to mean spirit and spiritual, you are a deceiver, I said Jesus is a SPIRITUAL BEING in heaven not that jesus is SPIRITUAL.

So what is the difference between "Spirit" and "Spiritual"
Religion / Re: Do We Go Straight To Heaven After Death, Or After The Resurrection? by ravgach: 10:13am On Oct 10, 2013
haibe: @ravgach you are just a bloody liar and a deceiver.

Show me where I said a ghost means an illusion.

Ghost: The disembodied spirit; the soul or spirit of a deceased person; a spirit appearing after death; an apparition; a specter.

noun (plural illusions)(countable)
Anything that seems to be something that it is not.

We saw what looked like a tiger among the trees, but it was anillusion caused by the shadows of the branches.

For education sake.


You are boxed into a corner. Your inconsistencies have exposed your inadequacies and lack of knowledge on this subject.

You must be living in denial.
Religion / Re: Do We Go Straight To Heaven After Death, Or After The Resurrection? by ravgach: 10:10am On Oct 10, 2013
haibe:

Mr man there is difference between spirit and spirit being.

there is difference between spiritual and spiritual being.

Now have I mentioned that Jesus is a spiritual in heaven or that Jesus is a spiritual being in heaven?

Please when you don't understand something, there is no crime in asking questions

You have not still shown you understand the difference between "Spirit" and "Spiritual". This is exactly why you are making all these 'cheap' mistakes here and there.
Religion / Re: Do We Go Straight To Heaven After Death, Or After The Resurrection? by ravgach: 10:05am On Oct 10, 2013
haibe:

this is what I said, I quote:


The greek word translated ghost in that
verse is PHANTASMA, phantasma means
phantom in english and according to my
dictionary phantom means an illusion or a
ghost

Now show me how this means that a ghost is an illusion.

My brother repent, don't go to hell fire oo because of argument so you won't burn for "all eternity" lol

You are being childish. The comments you made are there in 'black and white' and you are trying to twist it. Please be principled.
Religion / Re: Do We Go Straight To Heaven After Death, Or After The Resurrection? by ravgach: 10:03am On Oct 10, 2013
haibe:

this is what I said, I quote:


The greek word translated ghost in that
verse is PHANTASMA, phantasma means
phantom in english and according to my
dictionary phantom means an illusion or a
ghost

Now show me how this means that a ghost is an illusion.

You are being childish. The comments you made are there in 'black and white' and you are trying to twist it. Please be principled.


My brother repent, don't go to hell fire oo because of argument so you won't burn for "all eternity" lol
Religion / Re: Do We Go Straight To Heaven After Death, Or After The Resurrection? by ravgach: 9:44am On Oct 10, 2013
haibe:

You definitely are not different from a deceiver, quoting people wrongly.

You can show me where I said ghost means illusion.

and I will show you where I said phantom means ghost or an illusion.

LET US REMIND YOU OF WHAT YOU SAID:

haibe:

JMAN corrected me that the greek word translated spirit there is "phantasma" when infact I thought it was PNEUMA as used in other verses for spirit and so I went ahead to confirm and found out this is actually true, you think am like you that someone will tell you something and you would turn a deaf hear without going to confirm

The greek word translated ghost in that verse is PHANTASMA, phantasma means phantom in english and according to my dictionary phantom means an illusion or a ghost

So you can see Jesus did not mean spirit being in that verse but ghost, the greek word used wasn't PNEUMA which is the original word for spirit in other verses.

So you don't have any excuse saying Jesus was talking about spirit being in that verse, he was talking about ghost, he ressurected a spirit being.

I will still urge you to study hard in order to be sure of what you are saying and so you wouldn't think you are following God's standard when you are only deluding yourself, don't just assume every word in the english translation of the bible is correcr, none of those that translated it claimed to be inspired by God, we can only be sure that the original greek text is what was inspired and that is why before interpreting words anyhow we should try to confirm if it corresponds to that which is in the original text.

However if you still want to assume the english translation is 100% accurate then you can go ahead taking all words as they are without confirming but please don't confuse people, that is when the problem will start.
Religion / Re: Do We Go Straight To Heaven After Death, Or After The Resurrection? by ravgach: 9:35am On Oct 10, 2013
haibe:

and please don't quote me wrong, I never said ghost means an illusion, I said phantom means a ghost or an illusion.

Now go and face all your unanswered questions.

You definitely 'speak' from both sides of your mouth.

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