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 Religion / Re: Do We Go Straight To Heaven After Death, Or After The Resurrection? by ravgach: 3:17pm On Sep 24, 2013 |
[quote author=CAPTIVATOR][/quote] When Solomon says in Ecclesistiess 9:5 "...the dead, they are conscious of nothing at all", we have to get something straight here: 1. Not all the prophets had the spiritual capacity to pen down clearly what was being passed on to them, so they say it they way they understood it. We usually get what they are saying when it is given to another prophet, who will deliver the message by either quoting the previous prophet or expanding on what he has said before. This challenge is usually experienced by the old testament prophets. They were mostly 'primitive'. For instance, when God revealed to Prophet Nahum about automobiles (cars/vehicles), he had difficulties relaying the message clearly. Look at how he said it: "...The metal on the chariots flashes on the day they are made ready...the chariots storm through the streets, rushing back and forth through the squares. They look like flaming torches; they dart about like lightning". Nahum 2:3-4. It takes a man living in modern times to understand this prophesy. Solomon in the passage we are considering, was speaking of the lifeless bodies of the dead in the strict sense of it and he is very correct too. The concept of resurrection or what happens after one dies has not been revealed to him at this time in Chapter 9. When God revealed to him the state of man after death in Chapter 12, he said it differently. Look at how he said it: "Then the dust shall return unto the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it" Ecclesiastics 12:7. 2. In reading the scriptures, you have to understand that the Bible talks of "rightly dividing the word of truth" 2Timothy2:15. You have to know that there in scriptures: a) The things that are rightly stated b) Statements of truth. What is written might be rightly stated but not the statement of truth. For instance in Genesis 32:30 there was an account of Jacob encounter with an angel of God but look at what he said: "So Jacob called the place Peniel, saying, “It is because I saw God face to face, and yet my life was spared.” Jacob wrongly called an angel "God". It was correctly penned down in the Bible just the way the encounter transpired and exactly what he said but what he said was not true. Solomon said in Ecclesiastics 9:5 "...the dead, they are conscious of nothing at all". This was correctly written the way Solomon said it but in the light of other scriptures it is not a statement of truth. You have to rightly divide the word of God. |
| Religion / Re: Do We Go Straight To Heaven After Death, Or After The Resurrection? by ravgach: 3:17pm On Sep 24, 2013 |
[quote author=CAPTIVATOR][/quote] When Solomon says in Ecclesistiess 9:5 "...the dead, they are conscious of nothing at all", we have to get something straight here: 1. Not all the prophets had the spiritual capacity to pen down clearly what was being passed on to them, so they say it they way they understood it. We usually get what they are saying when it is given to another prophet, who will deliver the message by either quoting the previous prophet or expanding on what he has said before. This challenge is usually experienced by the old testament prophets. They were mostly 'primitive'. For instance, when God revealed to Prophet Nahum about automobiles (cars/vehicles), he had difficulties relaying the message clearly. Look at how he said it: "...The metal on the chariots flashes on the day they are made ready...the chariots storm through the streets, rushing back and forth through the squares. They look like flaming torches; they dart about like lightning". Nahum 2:3-4. It takes a man living in modern times to understand this prophesy. Solomon in the passage we are considering, was speaking of the lifeless bodies of the dead in the strict sense of it and he is very correct too. The concept of resurrection or what happens after one dies has not been revealed to him at this time in Chapter 9. When God revealed to him the state of man after death in Chapter 12, he said it differently. Look at how he said it: "Then the dust shall return unto the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it" Ecclesiastics 12:7. 2. In reading the scriptures, you have to understand that the Bible talks of "rightly dividing the word of truth" 2Timothy2:15. You have to know that there in scriptures: a) The things that are rightly stated b) Statements of truth. What is written might be rightly stated but not the statement of truth. For instance in Genesis 32:30 there was an account of Jacob encounter with an angel of God but look at what he said: "So Jacob called the place Peniel, saying, “It is because I saw God face to face, and yet my life was spared.” Jacob wrongly called an angel "God". It was correctly penned down in the Bible just the way the encounter transpired and exactly what he said but what he said was not true. Solomon said in Ecclesiastics 9:5 "...the dead, they are conscious of nothing at all". This was correctly written the way Solomon said it but in the light of other scriptures it is not a statement of truth. You have to rightly divide the word of God. |
| Religion / Re: Do We Go Straight To Heaven After Death, Or After The Resurrection? by ravgach: 1:28pm On Sep 23, 2013 |
haibe:We are indeed spiritual beings "You are "gods" he said. gods are not humans! But we are humans that is why he has to remind us that we are spirit beings housed in a body. "You are gods!" |
| Religion / Re: Do We Go Straight To Heaven After Death, Or After The Resurrection? by ravgach: 1:10pm On Sep 23, 2013 |
JMAN05: @ravgach 1. You have to understand that God did not add His breath to that of man to make him a living soul. God's breath rather activated life in the lifeless body of the man. In order words, God's breath miraculously created blood that activated the man. Leviticus 17:11-1 "For the life of a creature is in the blood". If you check the mail trail, you will see that Haibe agreed with this point but along the line, he became double minded on the issue. If one stops breathing, one might still be alive but if there is no more blood, one will cease to live. God's breath in Genesis 1 is not the Holy Spirit. The story of the death on the cross of Jesus Christ gives credence to the fact that the spirit of man is not mere breath. 2. James 2:26 says "As the body without the spirit is dead..." There is a distinction between body and spirit here. The same distinction is made in 1 Thessalonians 5:23 "May your whole spirit, soul and body be kept blameless..." This distinction is also found in Luke 1:46-47 "And Mary said: "My soul exalts the Lord, and my spirit has rejoiced in God my Savior.…" There are other scriptures showing us this distinctions but these will suffice for now. 3. We should be satisfied with what is written not what we make up by our own imaginations or what we think. 4. On the issue of going to heaven in this new dispensation, I supported my postulations by some incontrovertible scriptures which we should be able to consider with open minds: a. Revelation 6:9 "I saw under the altar the souls of those who had been slain for the word of God" These are men/women seen in heaven before resurrection. b. Revelation 20:4 "I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God..." These were people whose bodies were still buried in the graves or have been burnt up depending on how they were killed. c. Hebrews 12:23 "The spirits of just men made perfect..." This was Paul's privileged peep into heaven while he was still on earth here. He saw people in heaven. This clearly shows that when people die in Christ, they do not remain in the grave or wherever they died depending on how they died. They go to heaven. Their spirits leave their bodies like the case of Christ when He died. d. 1 Peter 3:19 "By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison... These are people who have died at one time or the other. e. 2 Co 5:6 "We are confident, I say, and would prefer to be away from the body and at home with the Lord” Another evidence that we do not stay in the grave until resurrection day. f. Luke 9:29-31: “And as he was praying, the appearance of his face was altered, and his clothing became dazzling white and behold, two men were talking with him, Moses and Elijah, who appeared in glory and spoke of his departure, which he was about to accomplish at Jerusalem.” Prophet Elijah the one you said was lost in a mountain and Moses the greatest King of Israel were seen here TALKING with Jesus. Do not forget that these men were no more. Elijah went to "Heaven" (Paradise) alive. Moses died and was buried by God Himself. But now we see them appearing physically and talking with Jesus. I hope no one will say that this is a proverb or a figurative account. The spirit of man is not mere breath. The breath of man is like the smoke that comes out of the exhaust pipe of a machine. The smoke is not the machine itself but a sign that the machine is working. The breath of man is the EVIDENCE OF LIFE NOT LIFE IN ITSELF. The Spirit of man is the real man housed in his physical body. Without our bodies, we will all be invisible. What happens on the day of resurrection? The spirit of man will return from the Lord with power. At the shout of the Archangel, the bodies will be resurrected 1 Kings 17:21-22;Luke 8:53-55; "But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwells in you". Romans 8:11 |
| Religion / Re: Do We Go Straight To Heaven After Death, Or After The Resurrection? by ravgach: 5:04pm On Sep 20, 2013 |
haibe: My question: Who are the dead people that will hear This question does not arise as the bodies of the dead are still in the grave. They only go to heaven spiritually. |
| Religion / Re: Do We Go Straight To Heaven After Death, Or After The Resurrection? by ravgach: 5:02pm On Sep 20, 2013 |
haibe: We learn everyday. 1. Inspiration does not mean that the writers do not have that personal challenges. If you study the old testament properly, you will discover that the old testament believers had challenges with the issue of resurrection. Their spiritual capacity of their minds could not carry it. Job 19:26. So it was possible for them to have had difficulty comprehending the things revealed to them since they were not writing dictations. But you will know what they are saying even if they do not say it directly as the case of Solomon. 2. I told you that when a man dies in the Lord, his spirit goes to God in heaven immediately but you had issues with that. Now, look at what happened when Jesus died: His Spirit went to God “Father, into your hands I commit my spirit!” Luke 23:46. On the resurrection morning His Spirit returned and quickened His body. There is not going to be any difference between our resurrection and that of Jesus. The same baptism the same resurrection. The same heirs. When Jesus' body was in the grave He was given assignment to lose those spiritually bound and also do some preaching. Hebrews 2:15; 1Peter 3:18-20. When He resurrected, He came out with some of them and took them to heaven Matthew 27:57 3. When Jesus resurrected, he did not allow anyone to touch Him until he had presented himself to the Father. He appeared spiritually but ascended to heaven physically for evidence purposes. |
| Religion / Re: Do We Go Straight To Heaven After Death, Or After The Resurrection? by ravgach: 3:56pm On Sep 20, 2013 |
haibe: You have to be a bit sophisticated here. Solomon I believe did not have the same privilege that we have to read many authors that where inspired by God. You and I have the privilege to read both the new and old testament scriptures, so we know better than Solomon today. He wrote from his limited knowledge but to show he was inspired, he was on point just that he was not specific. If I ask you after your brother who is in the university of Ife for instance and you say: "he is in school". What does it mean? A lay man can say he said his brother is in school that all. But anyone who know better will interpret that statement appropriately. When Solomon says "The spirit goes back to God who made it what does he mean? When Jesus in John 20:17: 'I am going to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God." What does he mean? Let us not be babes. He is simply referring to the place where the dead in the Lord go to when they die. Jesus Himself told us it is paradise. |
| Religion / Re: Do We Go Straight To Heaven After Death, Or After The Resurrection? by ravgach: 3:43pm On Sep 20, 2013 |
haibe: @ravgach how can you interprete 1 peter 3:18-20 to mean Jesus went to somewhere when he was dead or hell like you may think.When did he do this? During his earthly ministry or when he died? |
| Religion / Re: Do We Go Straight To Heaven After Death, Or After The Resurrection? by ravgach: 3:41pm On Sep 20, 2013 |
haibe:Do not confuse things here. Spiritual body does not mean that God has built a special body somewhere and kept it for their spirits to now occupy it. No. Spiritual body refers to the translation. Please refer to the resurrection of Jesus Christ. That same body that was nailed on the cross was the one resurrected. That was why Thomas was able to put his fingers into the nail-pierced hands of Jesus. In the same way, the bodies of the dead will be animated by their spirit at the sound of the trumpet by the power of God. Romans 8:11. If there was a special body prepared somewhere, resurrection would not be required anymore for what is the need then? Moreover everyone will be judged according to what he has done in his BODY 2Corinthians 5:10. |
| Religion / Re: Do We Go Straight To Heaven After Death, Or After The Resurrection? by ravgach: 2:43pm On Sep 20, 2013 |
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| Religion / Re: Do We Go Straight To Heaven After Death, Or After The Resurrection? by ravgach: 12:49pm On Sep 20, 2013 |
haibe: I want you to know that: 1. The spirit is not mere breath. It is the whole essence of the individual. Proverbs 20:27. Breaths are like smokes from the exhaust pipe of a working machine. The smoke is not the machine itself but a sign that it is working. If spirits are mere breaths does it mean when the breath goes back to God, He adds it to His or what? What does God do with ordinary breath? Spirits are the real man. The body houses that spirit. That is why Apostle Paul calls the body "Tabernacle" 2 Corinthians 5:1. We would be invisible with our bodies. We only become invisible at dead. Is the Spirit of God his Breath as well? No! Spirits engage in activities and communication Revelation 6:9-10; Acts 13:2; Mark 5:12. When you say that one is possessed by evil spirit, does it mean the breath of evil entered into him? No. But an evil personality. 2. Believers who died in the old covenant and before the resurrection of Christ went to paradise. 2 Kings 2:11; Genesis 5:24; Luke 23:43; 1 Peter 3:18-20. This is on the strength of the assertion of Jesus Christ in John 3:13. The Words of Christ is sacrosanct! 3. Believers who die or have died after the resurrection Christ go to heaven straight while their bodies are buried under the earth. At resurrection, their spirits through the power of God will quicken their bodies and they will be translated and have the body of angels. I Peter 3:18; Romans 8:11. Some say they will be given a glorious body from heaven. This is half-truth. The truth is that it is the bodies of the dead that will be quickened. If not there will be no need for resurrection to take place, their spirit which is already in heaven would have just been clothed and that is all. Do not forget that even those living at that time will also be translated. 4. Is there any proof that if a man dies he does not remain in the grave? Yes! The body remains in the ground but his spirit goes out. Ecc.12:7; Luke 23:46; Acts 7:59 5. Your rendering of Luke 23:46 with the changing of ‘comas’ is what the scripture describes as “wresting” the Word of God. 2 Peter 3:16. We are not permitted to do that. |
| Religion / Re: Do We Go Straight To Heaven After Death, Or After The Resurrection? by ravgach: 2:51pm On Sep 19, 2013 |
A JMAN05: 1. how do you prove your tranformed bodies fron the bible? 2. during the resurrection to heaven, the saints are giving heavenly bodies, not body rejoining spirit stuff. B haibe(m): 1) Can you show me scriptural references that we are going to heaven(God' abode), being present with the Lord does not necessarily mean in heaven, we could be present with the Lord in the new earth but that doesn't mean heaven right? 2) I just checked mattew 27:52, 53, it did not say those that were dead in paradise went to heaven after christ resurrected, it simply says "52. And the graves were opened, and many bodies of the saint which slept did arose 53. And came out of the graves after his resurrection and went into the holy city and appeared unto many" (mattew 27:52,53) This passage did not say they were in paradise before, it says the bodies in the grave arose and went to the holy city, so where did you get the idea that they were in paradise before and where did you get the idea that they went to heaven, holy city could mean Jerusalem, paradise or even a place here on earth which God has made holy, so it could mean after christ resurrected, those that were dead in the graves rose and went to the holy city(paradise). Also eclesiastes 12:7 is not in line with your claim that the spirit of the dead went to paradise, it says "Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was, and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it"(eccl 12:7), bro how do you interprete your own bible that this verse now mean the spirit(breath of God) went to paradise, so i do not get your logic behind the interpretation of that verse. ANSWER: 1. You did not seem to have taken time to read some of the scriptural references I used in my write up. 2. If you think the Saints of Matthew 27:52-53 did not go to heaven, where then did they go? Was there a record about their activities? Did they become one of the Apostles of Jesus? Did the Apostles know of speak of them? If they later died again, it would have also made headlines in Israel do you not think so? I strongly believe that it was not everybody that saw them. Scripture recorded it as part of the events of Christ’s resurrection. 3. You just need to understand that when a man dies, he does not remain in the grave. Only the body (sand) does. You know that by now. If they did not go to heaven before the resurrection of Christ as Christ Himself has said, then they went to Paradise in line with what Jesus told the thief on the Cross. Luke 23:42. When Jesus Christ and Apostle Stephen were about to die, they committed their spirits into God’s hands. Ecc. 12:7; Luke 23:46; Acts 7:59. How does resurrection take place then? By the returning the spirit that has gone out. Luke 8:55. 4. Ecc. 12:7 clearly answered your question number 1. It tells you, we go to heaven in this new dispensation while the old testament believers went to paradise until Jesus resurrection. Jesus clearly said in John 3:13 that “No one has ever gone into heaven except the one who came from heaven–the Son of Man.” After the resurrection of Jesus, the Apostle Paul wrote in Hebrews 12:12-13 “But you have come to Mount Zion and to the city of the living God… to the general assembly and church of the firstborn who are registered in heaven, to God the Judge of all, to THE SPIRITS OF JUST MEN MADE PERFECT…”. He also told us in Jude 1:14 “Behold, the Lord comes with ten thousands of His saints… Now the big question is: 1. Is there anywhere in the old testament where it was recorded of Heaven with human occupants? If there is none, then Jesus was right. 2. Is there anywhere in the new testament before the resurrection of Christ where anyone was recorded to have been seen in heaven? None. 3. Was there a mention of paradise in old testament and before the resurrection of Christ? Yes. JMAN05, I believe the above has answered some of your questions too. I want you guys to know that I am not a Bible Scholar. I am not Kumuyi. I just take interest in scriptures like many of you. I will welcome any superior insight. The new heaven and new earth is the final thing that will happen. It will usher in the new world order which is commonly referred to in scripture as "The World to Come". It will be the final answer to the prayer of our Lord Jesus Christ: "Thy Kingdom come, Thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven". It will be home of the saints. A restoration of the Garden of the Garden of Eden. An unhindered, uninterrupted fellowship between God and man. I can't wait to be there! |
| Religion / Re: Do We Go Straight To Heaven After Death, Or After The Resurrection? by ravgach: 9:09pm On Sep 18, 2013 |
In the Old Testament and before the resurrection of Christ, when a believer dies, the body is committed to mother earth but the spirit goes straight to Paradise. Ecc.12:7; Luke 23:42. Paradise is a temporal place of the dead in the Lord. There they are received by the Godhead, they live and feel the comfort of Heaven. The Host of heaven visits Paradise regularly just like the Garden of Eden. Paradise is foretaste of Heaven. At the resurrection of Christ, the spirits of all dead saints were evacuated from Paradise to Heaven Matthew 27:52. Since then, all believers who die, go straight to heaven. Acts 7:56,59; 2Corinthians 5:8. The difference between this time and the time of resurrection is that they will live without their glorified bodies. Hebrews 12:23. At the first resurrection (which includes the rapture), the spirit of all dead saints will rejoin their now glorified (transformed just like that of the angels) bodies which will now join Jesus and the angels in Heaven for the Marriage Supper of the Lamb for Seven years 1 Corinthians 15:52. This is where rewards (crowns, stars, and authority) will be given to deserving saints for the work they have done for the Lord while in the body. 1 Corinthians 3:14. After the second resurrection and the White Throne Judgement Revelation 20:12, Jesus will come back to earth with those saints to rule for one thousand years which is known as the millennial reign of Christ Jude 1:14; Revelation 20:4-6. |
| Religion / Re: Pope Francis To Atheists: You Dont Have To Believe In God To Go To Heaven by ravgach: 6:42pm On Sep 12, 2013 |
ROMANS 2:13-16: 13For it is not those who hear the law who are righteous in God’s sight, but it is those who obey the law who will be declared righteous. 14(Indeed, when Gentiles, who do not have the law, do by nature things required by the law, they are a law for themselves, even though they do not have the law. 15They show that the requirements of the law are written on their hearts, their consciences also bearing witness, and their thoughts sometimes accusing them and at other times even defending them.) 16This will take place on the day when God judges people’s secrets through Jesus Christ, as my gospel declares. We can deduce from the passage above that: 1. God justifies the doers of the law/word not just hearers. 2. God's requirements are equally written on the heart/consciences of every man but the requirements can be ignored, doctored or totally destroyed from the heart. 3. Those who will be judged by their consciences are those who did not have the chance of hearing the gospel and are totally ignorant of the written requirements/standards of the Almighty God. It is not those who have made a choice not to accept/believe in God and his requirements, whose consciences have been deadened and who deliberately live contrary to His prescribed will. 4. A conscience trained to reject God is not the same as an innocent and impressionable conscience. When Pope Francis postulates that an atheist who follows his conscience will be forgiven by God, he is as right as a 'dead' clock. He is saying a truth that does not in any way help the trained atheist. The trained atheist has read the Bible, heard the gospel, witnessed miracles etc but still disbeliefs God. He is a sworn enemy of God! He can never see God except he repents. The pope's assertion is only true for the natural and ignorant atheist who is not living in this day and age. The later will be judged by his conscience and actions. He does not have automatic justification, he will still be either condemned or acquitted depending on what has been found out. "And that slave who knew his master’s will and did not get ready or act in accord with his will, will receive many lashes, but the one WHO DID NOT KNOW it, and committed deeds worthy of a flogging, will receive but few". Luke 12:47-48. He will still be flogged even though he is 'ignorant'. No one is actually ignorant of God's requirement. It is written in our consciences. On that one point the Pope is right. 1 Like |
| Politics / Re: Molue Banned From Lagos Island by ravgach: 4:40pm On Sep 06, 2013 |
Many of those molues of old are far better than many of the brt that they are pushing down our throats today. The government should made it impossible for people to patronize molue buses by ensuring that the brt buses are decent, air-conditioned, fast and extremely affordable. This is possible because they have mapped out routes that are not affected by traffic and they are a monolopy. |
| Politics / Re: Lagos-Ibadan Expressway And The Churches - Joe Igbokwe by ravgach: 11:03am On Aug 14, 2013 |
I have heard that NAFSAT, RCCG and Christ Embassey has at one time or the other caused motorists untold hardship on Lagos-Ibadan Expressway. I have not heard for once that Deeperlife or Mountain of Fire had made commuters on the road experience such challenges. I think we should find out how they have managed to hold their programs without causing commuters these type of hardship and adopt that strategy for the others. As these churches do these, the government must be alive to their responsibility by making that road ten-lanes with rail lines and BRT lanes. Nobody can stop churches from holding programs along that road if the government fails to do what they supposed to do. |
| Politics / Re: Lagos Is Safe For Igbos - Joe Igbokwe (ACN Publicity Secretary) by ravgach: 12:18pm On Aug 02, 2013 |
Who said these citizens they are calling destitutes are not lagosians? One of the serious challenges the country will need to solve is this indegeneship brouhaha. What should a responsive government do to homeless citizens? Provide them shelta of course! How does their deportation which is a violation of their rights, resolve their homelessness? I am highly disappointed in Fashola by this retrogressive decision his government took. He is someone I actually had great hopes in for the futre of Nigeria. His government should take care of everyone in Lagos whether they are labelled homeless, destitute etc. This is the main reason he was elected - to provide affordable houses and jobs for the masses. |
| Religion / Re: What Did Pope Francis Really Mean By "Who Am I To Judge Gay People"? by ravgach: 7:29pm On Jul 30, 2013 |
The Pope is a moral authority. He represents Christ or so we think. We must not find it difficult to know where he is standing at every given time. He should certainly judge as the vicar of Christ. Jesus did denounce the scribes and pharisees in His days. We cannot be dancing around a monster that is threating the very fabric of the body of Christ. 1 Like |
| Religion / Re: Pastor Kumuyi Finally Spoke(touching Words) by ravgach: 10:09am On Aug 15, 2012 |
@ifeness: I see you are still bitter against this group. You make general statements that are not verifiable. Society improves when majority members of that society say and do things honestly and objectively. Human nature though sometimes make us have colored view about issues because of how it has affected us. As leaders of tomorrow and people striving for a better society, we must endeavour to say and do things objectively. This is not just when it comes to religion but in all aspects of life. Some people today slander their parents claiming they never did anything for them. When you check well, you find out their parents have trained them to at least secondary school but because they are not satisfied with that, they just say THEY NEVER DID ANYTHING FOR THEM. It would have been honest to say they trained us but we wanted more. Saying that kumuyi and his group do not have what it takes to contribute or are not contributing to society, is not an objective assessment at all. It's just like someone who dislikes you saying you are useless to society. It will not be fair to you because if you are not a criminal, if you have written, said or done anything positive, working or schooling, then you are contributing immensely to society. It is always good to address squarely issues that you do not like about someone, people or a thing and check up if you are actually right about those issues than making general statements of hate or attacking peoples character. I do not know if you believe in God and if you worship Him. If you do sincerely, you will never, never cut people down no matter the pressue you are under. |
| Religion / Re: Pastor Kumuyi Finally Spoke(touching Words) by ravgach: 6:45pm On Aug 14, 2012 |
@Ifeness: I quite empathize with you. Please take heart ok. I understand what it means to feel the pains of parental separation and loss. If I were in your shoes, I will feel the same way too. Please allow God to touch your aching heart and bring healing to it. Your parents have lived their own lives and passed on. You must objectively review their lives with the aim of learning from where they may not have gotten it right. Blaming other people for their short falls in life may not eventually help your own life journey and decisions. The choices we make in life determines how we turn out ultimately. In all honesty, I have never heard Kumuyi telling anyone not to take medications when they are ill. I personally know a lot of nurses and doctors in his church. We learnt from the media that his late wife sought medical help before she eventually passed on. In the case of the Kogi shootings, we have read in the papers they are in the various hospitals in Kogi and he has prayed for their quick recovery. Let us not blame others for how we turn out in life. |
| Religion / Re: Pastor Kumuyi Finally Spoke(touching Words) by ravgach: 6:14pm On Aug 14, 2012 |
I am very certain that the long arm of the law (natural and divine) will catch up with them and their sponsors sooner or later. "Because the sentence against an evil deed is not executed quickly, therefore the hearts of the sons of men among them are given fully to do evil" Ecclesiates 8:11. May God Almighty console the families of those who have lost loved ones and may He speedly heal those that have been injured physically and emotionally. |
| Religion / Re: Pastor Kumuyi Finally Spoke(touching Words) by ravgach: 6:05pm On Aug 14, 2012 |
It beats any rationale imagination to see people you would assume are normal, indirectly supporting the masacre of innocent christians in the name of being partisan. All people of goodwill should join voices to condem this and other henious and dasterdly crimes committed in our beloved nation. No one should support it covertly or overtly as its a crime against humanity. Supporting it will energize the perpetrators and as the proverbial wind that blows no one any good, no one knows who is next. |
| Politics / Re: Kogi Deeper Life Church Attack Gang Leader Arrested In Edo State by ravgach: 11:26am On Aug 14, 2012 |
Couldn't they have prevented the killing of these innocent worshippers? Prevention is certainly better than cure any day! My heart goes out to the families of those killed. It could have been anyone of us. I pray those in the hospitals will recover quickly. |
| Autos / Re: 2002 Toyota Camry Le Pre-ordered by ravgach: 2:18pm On Dec 21, 2011 |
i want the tiny light (ash colored). Kindly give me the price and terms of payment Krefcierd74@yahoo.com |
| Autos / Re: 2002 Toyota Camry Le Pre-ordered by ravgach: 5:24pm On Dec 12, 2011 |
Is it not possible to make the cost and terms of payment 'opendential'? Please let us know. I am interested in the big light and tiny light. If you have them in stock please let me also know what it would cost to drive them on lagos street. |
| Politics / Re: Ojukwu - The Economist by ravgach: 7:55pm On Dec 02, 2011 |
May God console the hearts of Ndi Igbo on the demise of Eze Igbo Gburugburu. He has done his best for his people. I have never seen a leader so loved by his people. The best honor Ndi Igbo can give Dim, is to get their acts together and unite on principle, not necessarily being in the same political party and give Ndi Igbo good governance. Democracy has given them the opportunity to right some of the past wrongs. Develop the East by all legitimate means! May God give Igbo leaders wisdom and the determination to make Igboland the land of promise it indeed is. |
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