CoCoLav:


I don't know how to argue concerning relationship matter because its not a one shoe fits all thing. From the experiences I have had and also from other experiences, I have just concluded that love isn't the bane of marriage. Once there is tolerance, trust, respect, mutual understanding, commitment, whatever other qualities I need in a man and of course sex.ual chemistry then we are good to go. Love stems from all these things.

We are saying the same thing then. What I am saying is before[/size][size=8pt] you say I do to any man/woman, be sure that:

1. You have mutual respect for each other - for each other's body too (this does not come in one day)
2. You tolerate each other (this also will mean unconditional acceptance) this also is not a day's job
3. You trust each other (this come with test, remember) not a day's job
4. You reach some understanding (concerning money, job, children, inlaws, conduct, dressing etc) not a day's job
5. You are pooling resources together to make the relationship work (infatuation does not have this patience)
6. You share affection/attraction (You must be proud to associate/be with each other - not one person in front the other behind) takes time too
7. You are ready to defend each other with your life (this is one of the major test of love)
8. You are willing and able to support him/her in weakness/sickness/setbacks/misfortunes etc.
9. You are willing to share your resources (money, power, favour, privilege, talents, etc) this takes a lot of time.
10. You are ready/willing/able to be in subjection to a man (in case of a woman)
11. You are ready/willing/able to love, protect, provide for a woman (in case of a man)
12. You are ready to remain faithful to each other for life
13. You are ready to live together and nurture the union for life

Love in marriage is not a 100 meters dash. It is a capsule filled with all these and more. It is not that "I feel good" feeling. Love is not feeling at all. There are feelings in love but it is not feeling.

There are different kinds of love. I am writing about marriage love here please. So before you tell a man/woman that
you love him/her (in the marriage sense) be sure to have thought on these and many more.

These lend credence to the fact that love must be the bane of marriage and must also come[b] BEFORE [/b]its consummation, not the other way round.

CoCoLav:

I agree with your first paragraph. So are you saying that our parents who did not get married for love but later came to love, tolerate and understand each other are just 'lovable'?

Compare the marriages of those days and of today and see which ones last longer. Also compare the divorce rates of people who married for love and those in which love was not a factor. If you agree with me that our parent's marriages last longer then don't you also think that its better to have a 'lovable' marriage than to marry for love?

The marriage of old is not in any way comparable to that of today. It is like comparing the old and new testaments. Marriage 'worked' in those days because women are not married. They are acquired. In fact marriage of those days is a mini slavery. The man in most cases do not have a say. His father is his spokesman and the women are 'siddon look' their fathers marry them out! The men are mostly favored because they can marry again and again until they find love. If you really want to marry today, informed choice must be involved if you will make a success of it. Above all it must begin with love because marriage is all about love. Why enter it before you love when it is for better for worse? Is it not better to be sure the one you are going with is your best friend and lover before entering into it? I think it is better!

CoCoLav: Love after marriage is actually what I want. When you love someone before marriage, you might be blinded to their flaws in the belief that love covers all. By the time you get married and the love fades then your eyes open. I want to marry someone I don't really love so my eyes will be
open to all flaws and at the end of the day, I will know what I am getting myself into. I just believe that love makes people have poor judgement and reason stupi.dly. It makes you do things you ordinarily wouldnt do and settle for situations you normally will walk away from, it makes you weak and also makes you turn a deaf ear to advice from people who are seeing things you cant see. Love makes you blind!

Coco, "by the time you get married and the love fades then your eyes opens", what will you now do, because you are already in? Jump out or remain? Which ever you choose will be like frying pan or fire. Don't forget, you have to start another process all over again. Common! Pure love is one of the signs that the intending couples are ready to go. It is like a green light on a highway. Not feeling any love is actually a red or danger sign. Yes a dead clock can be right only but twice but do not be fooled! It will not give u accurate and reliable time to work with. Marriage is the celebration of love. Love must be involved at the commencement of marriage. Do not be deceived!

vickyO:
Don't forget that covering is a doctrine not a direct command so it can change depending on the people invovled. And the Bible isn't the Word of God, Jesus is. Bible to me is only a guide which contains some things God said.

I now know where your loyalty lies. End of discussion. Thank you.

vickyO:
if you mean Relative as in changing with circumstances, I believe so.

That is exactly the challenge of the 'worldly' Christian. The Word of God does NOT change with circumstances. God said He honors His words above his Name. God does not change. He has advised us not to middle with those that a given to change. Proverbs 24:21

vickyO:
No spirit is influencing me bro, I just don't like when people misinterpret my stance on something. if you fail to understand it ask me to explain and if you don't agree don't try to degrade my view. I am not opposing yours, you can cover up if you like and vice versa. I've got the holy spirit and what you're saying indirectly to me (by quoting me) is annoying. I gave a biblical backing, if that isn't enough for you get your behind out of this thread suckling.

You only misinterpreted one of the clearest scriptures I have ever read! We should always cross-check what we hold on to especially if that is a command of God so we do not think we are in the race when we have been disqualified from the start.

vickyO:
Dude, you're making my post more complicated than it seems. It's simple, renew your mind. I have done that and its great. All I said is that the doctrine of head covering isn't a compelling one. did I say people should fornicate, commit adultery? dude calm down.

The doctrine is relative isn't it?

vickyO:
O Please, don't quote my post anymore. Don't invoke me wrath

What type of spirit is influencing you? Good a thing Pastor Olukoya is your pastor.

vickyO:
So now you're judging me based on my stance. You're so shallow minded. MR/MRS/MISS, you need to renew your mind.

There are two major words that are gradually destroying the modern man - RATIONALIZATION and RELATIVITY! These words have partially succeeded in eroding what we used to know as RIGHT and WRONG. To a lot of people, you are JUDGEMENTAL when you apply the rules of right and wrong. The issue of the worship of God has not been spared these challenges. Many people who have acquired this mindset have somehow succeeded in sneaking into the church as 'Pastors', 'Man of God', 'Bishops' etc. These names are used to mask their real personalities while they go on feeing fat on the gullible lots and trying to erode the very foundation and pillars upon which the church is founded. My happiness however, is that they have failed ab initio as the gates of hell shall never prevail against the Church of God. Matthew 16:18.

ngozievergreen:

Anambra has spoken.

He did what is right in the sight of the LORD, yet not with a perfect heart - 2 Chronicles 25:2

[/size][b][/b]The above is what Gov. Obi did exactly. It is right but politically (November 2013) motivated.

vickyO:
You're so mistaken, I actually attend MFM.....

The Church one attends does not matter. One can be one of the disciples of Jesus in the mold of Judas Iscariot. Upholding the true word of God is the most essential thing not the church you attend. Infact many of these churches that teach error today broke out of 'good' churches.

vickyO:
If you check the reasons behind Paul's stance, it was because of the Jewish societal norm then. It was only a prostitute that could go out with the head uncovered. I am not a Jew and I don't live in their society, I am a gentile and that doctrine doesn't apply to me.

This is laughable! If you do not want to be a Christian, I think it is optional. It will not serve any good purpose for you, if you try to hide under any guise to be disobedient to God's laws. It will be better that you are set out to be openly known to be God's enemy than pretending to be his child and in the end be an enemy. The word of God is for all people in all generations. The word does not discriminate on the account of geographic location or nationality. It is universal! It is a deception of the devil to think the way you are. May the Lord help us understand His Word.

mystikal: just do what your conscience convinces you is right.

F**k ambigous doctrines

Christians do not follow their consciences when it comes to obeying God's command. Christians follow the written Word of God! Their consciences are made to be attuned to or aligned with the infallible Word of God.

Ace-thekid:
we fail to understand that God doesn't think the way we think; it is only humans that will go to a place of worship and start looking at which sister is covering her hair or not and the only possible conclusion to such in their hearts is that of condemnation (of the said sisters who aren't covering their hair) thus commiting a sin...the one that says you shouldn't judge others lest you will be judged. one thing I know is that if Jesus saw such sisters in church, He wouldn't make a list of those who didn't cover their hair and submit to God so that they will be condemned to hell. in the first place, the OP is gravely erroneous to interpret the bible passages "as he has been taught by his pastor and at Sunday school"...As choleric as Apostle Paul was, he was pretty straight forward to say that men shouldn't cover their "heads" thus the reason for short hair and women's "heads" must be covered thus the reason for their long hair as a covering ( which is a sign of submission and humility and also a thing that brings out her beauty)...so, I am still beat when people argue on such trivial matters as this as if it is a prerequisite to make heaven. just don't be surprised when during rapture, the women that weren't covering their hair won't left behind as you would imagine.

It is presumptuousness to think the way and manner you have in this small write up. There is a standard of life expected of a Christian. That standard is found in the Bible. If you fail to meet this standard and think in your mind that it is trivial, then you are on your own. This is the same reason we have many churches and millions of errors flying here and there. Some people just wake up in the morning and think up something they will be doing which they think it is too little for God to require accountability from them and a new false doctrine will be born from that day. If we know the God of order we serve, then we will take our time to be obedient to every little or big command He gives and not to assume that the small commands are 'trivial'. God makes no 'trivial' laws. It is blasphemy to think so. The Apostle thru the inspiration of God made very striking and remarkable comparison between the man and the woman in order to make it so clear to us to see. I am surprised that many of us do not still see from these comparisons. Let us check it out:

1. Man should not have long hair
2. Woman should have long hair
3. Man should not cover his head (hair)
4. Woman should cover his head (hair)
5. Man is the glory of God
6. Woman is the glory of the man

This is very, very clear for all sincere people to see.
2.

Jay5000: You're the one that needs to read well b4 posting. It says the woman must cover her "haired head in church". It also says that exposing the hair is the same as carrying a shaved hair; which is disgraceful. It can be deduced from that verse therefore that women with shaved hair are not required to cover their hair. It never said women with shaved hair should cover their hair and the ones with hair shouldn't bother, so i really dont know how you came to your conclusion. You may choose to remix it to suit u but the instruction is quite simple.

The truth is:

1. A woman should cover her head (hair) while praying or preaching the word of God, whether the hair is long or short.
2. A woman's long hair (not attachments) is given her for a covering, to the extent she does
not need to cover it unless she is praying, it is her glory.
3. A woman should not wear bald head, short hair or cut hair openly whether in church or outside the church - it should
always be covered. It is a shame for a woman to wear short hair openly, as it is just the same as if the hair was shaven or bald.
4. The reason a woman should cover her long hair while praying and her short hair everywhere she goes to, is because of the
angels - a sign of reverence to God who is represented by angelic beings at prayer times and a sign of submission to
the authority of the man in line with God's command.

mencer:

1 How does a covered or uncovered head contribute to a person's salvation?

2 Is the issue of covering the head part of the gospel that is the power of God?

3 Is the head or hair unholy so that it has to be covered in a church or will the veil make it holy?

4 Is the presence of God limited to the church premises where you are required to cover or uncover?

5 Does the practice to answered or unanswered prayers?

There are two major words that are gradually destroying the modern man - RATIONALIZATION and RELATIVITY! These words have partially succeeded in eroding what we used to know as RIGHT and WRONG. To a lot of people, you are JUDGEMENTAL when you apply the rules of right and wrong. The issue of the worship of God has not been spared these challenges. Many people who have acquired this mindset have somehow succeeded in sneaking into the church as 'Pastors', 'Man of God', 'Bishops' etc. These names are used to mask their real personalities while they go on feeing fat on the gullible lots and trying to erode the very foundation and pillars upon which the church is founded. My happiness however, is that they have failed ab initio as the gates of hell shall never prevail against the Church of God. Matthew 16:18.
Q.
1 How does a covered or uncovered head contribute to a person's salvation?
A.
How can one be saved without obedient to the Lord's instructions? Salvation is love for the savior, adherence to his revealed instructions and a willing heart relationship with Him.
Q.
2 Is the issue of covering the head part of the gospel that is the power of God?
A.
Yes of course! The gospel is made up of rules which are known as doctrines and we have the commandment to uphold these doctrines. 1 Timothy 4:16 "Watch your life and doctrine closely."
Q.
3 Is the head or hair unholy so that it has to be covered in a church or will the veil make it holy?
A.
No. Not at all. We cover the head because of the angels. 1 Corinthians 11:10. To show we are submissive.
Q.
4 Is the presence of God limited to the church premises where you are required to cover or uncover?
A.
No. We cover our heads everywhere and anytime we are praying especially if we have the chance to do so. That is, if we are not in a difficult position at all.
Q.
5 Does the practice lead to answered or unanswered prayers?
A. Yes and No. If we willingly refuse to obey the command, our prayers may not be answered. But if we are in a difficult situation and pray without head covering, we will definitely be heard.

wman:
Alright My Oga at the top has spoken.

I'm now 100% gay since he said so.

You guys should move on to comedy, you're so funny you really got me laughing hard.

It's good to have a good laugh. You have made me laugh too. That is how it should be.

But on a very serious note, man Bleep man; woman Bleep woman no good oo

wman:

You need not worry bout me man. I'm 100% straight

I'm not a coward that would deny his sexual orientation on a faceless forum

You know that sometimes we may not really know ourselves. We may not know what is troubling or eating us up that is why we go for x-trays, we run laboratory tests and scans.

We have scanned, x-trayed and tested you based on the things you promote and support. We have found out you are 'homo'. It is true it has not manifested yet, but you have tested positive. Your living in denial will not help you. The onus is on you to do something about it if you care.

wman:

Don't be silly man. Anyone who believes that not all Muslims are terrorists must be a Muslim also. Anyone who believes that the death sentence should be abolished is a criminal also.

In the words of Donjazzy12 'CLAP FOR YOURSELF"

You are not putting your questions right. You will not get it right if your questions are not right. Why not ask your questions this way:

Are all who support terrorism, terrorists? I will answer you in the affirmative. It is very obvious.
Are all who say not all men are homosexuals, gay? I will answer you in the negative. It is as clear as crystals.
Are all who support prostitution, prostitutes? Now answer this one.
Are all who support and promote homosexual, gay? Please answer.

Death sentence is definitely not punishment for types of criminality and not all muslims are terrorists, this is very clear.

If you ask the right questions, you will be helping yourself to safety and security. If you miss it, you might miss out! May God help us.

wman:

They are not forcing their evil habits on you. They are only telling you to leave them alone. FYI I'm not gay. I'm 100% straight. Why is it that you guys tend to believe that anyone defending homosexuals is one of them?

You are, spiritually. How can a defender of armed robbers not be one in mind even if he has not physically robbed before? You just do not know you are!

We cannot leave them alone. They are the ones that should leave us alone! There are homosexual friendly countries were they are at liberty to die in their sins if they wish. Why must they come here to do what they know is not allowed. The spirit behind this trade is a daring one I must confess but we will not give them a chance, not even an inch.

wman:

All the arguments I gave you were mine. I don't care about any bullshi.t western propaganda.

David Cameron made motions toward terrorism, diseases in Africa, Economic activicties, Security, Women Empowerment e.t.c in Africa. Now you say the only virtue he exported was Homosexualism, I can clearly see how unbiased you are.


Alright fine the homosexual lifestyle is disease ridden. We don hear. Leave them alone to their disease ridden lifestyle as you called it. Its not your business. Shikena.

It is our business. That is why we do not want them to do it here. They should go to 'sodomy' countries. They are many now. Nigeria and Nigerian say we do not want them here. Shikena. Why must they force their evil habits on us in our 'sane' country?

You and your sodomy friends should find elsewhere to practice your trade!

wman:

Common man. Drug addiction have led to the death of many. It has wasted so many useful souls who could have been of help to their country. Think about Macaulay Culkin, Majek Fashek, Lindsay Lohan e.t.c The cocaine and marijuana plants of South America release so many waste products that are harmful to man. Most drug lords are also involved in illegal purchase of arms also.

Tell me having an homosexual relationship would affect your productivity and intelligence. Think about people like Ellen Degeneres, Elton John, Frank Ocean, Wentworth Miller (Micheal Scofield of Prison Break) e.t.c

Hope you know the number of child prostitutes in the world or the number of human trafficking caused by prostitution or the prostitution related crimes perpetrated daily.

Still waiting for you to give me a reasonable side-effect of homosexualism.

@wnma: Please check out the report below:

There is no doubt the Bible declares homosexual conduct is sin (Romans 1:26-28).

i. The Bible condemns homosexuality in the same context as it condemns incest and bestiality (Leviticus 18:22, 20:13). If we ignore the word of God at the point of homosexual conduct, then we have no standing to say any of the other three sins are sin.

ii. Homosexual advocates have an interest in saying homosexuals are exactly like everyone else, except they love and have sex with people of their own gender. Yet when the conduct of homosexuals is observed, this is not the case.

iii. We can look at the statistics on the number of partners homosexuals have: 43% of homosexuals say they have had 500 or more sexual partners in their lifetime. Only 1% of homosexuals say they have had four or less sexual partners in their lifetime. According to the United States Department of Health and Human Services, 77% of homosexuals say they have met sexual partners in a city park, 62% in a homosexual bar, 61% in a theater, 31% in a public restroom. Only 28% of homosexuals said they had known their partners for at least a week before participating in homosexual sex.

iv. Undoubtedly, one of the reasons why males pursue and give in to homosexual desires is because they want to immerse themselves in a lifestyle of dangerous sex with no inhibitions or obstacles, and sense that sex with other men is an easier path to this. No wonder Paul connects “burning lust” and a debased mind with male homosexuality in Romans 1:27-28.

v. Homosexuals also have an interest in saying that up to 10% of the population is homosexual. But the most reliable statistics show only 2.3% of men in their 20’s and 30’s report ever having had a homosexual experience. Only 1.1% reported being exclusively homosexual. These low figures agree with several other surveys and those conducted in Britain and France.

vi. Homosexuals also have an interest in saying they were “born that way.” All attempts thus far to prove this have been based more on wishful thinking than solid biological research, but if it is found to be the case, so what? The Bible teaches we are all born with a predisposition to sin. It shouldn’t surprise us that some 2% of the population finds this predisposition expressed in homosexual desire.

vii. Homosexuals also have an interest in defining themselves as “gay,” a word that used to mean “happy” or “carefree,” but it is a poor description of a lifestyle that has such a high rate of death, disease, and suicide.

I leave you to your judgment if you still have any remaining.

Donjazzy12: DISEASES OF THE GAY LIFESTYLE , BEFORE YOU DEBATE BLINDLY READ FOR YOURSELF!

On The Unhealthy Homosexual Lifestyle

The information contained in this article, is to say the least, heart-rendering! Every concerned and responsible governments, individual and organization, must do everything within its power to make these guys see seasons why this practice is actually a sure way to gradually extinction of humanity. It is carefully crafted design which God Himself is not going to allow to succeed. As men of goodwill, we must pray, persuade, encourage, dissuade, legislate and sanction people who practice this destructive lifestyle.

The way the proponents of this evil, demonic, disgusting, disease-prone and nation-destroying etc. lifestyle, go about it despite this startling exposition confirms the Biblical account of what happened in Sodom when these evil men demanded for angelic visitors of Abraham for sexual purposes. Despite being struck with blindness, they kept pushing to have these men.

"Behold now, I have two daughters which have not known man; let me, I pray you, bring them out unto you, and do ye to them as is good in your eyes: only unto these men do nothing; for therefore came they under the shadow of my roof. And they said, Stand back. And they said again, This one fellow came in to sojourn, and he will needs be a judge: now will we deal worse with thee, than with them. And they pressed sore upon the man, even Lot, and came near to break the door. But the men put forth their hand, and pulled Lot into the house to them, and shut to the door. And they smote the men that were at the door of the house with blindness, both small and great: so that they wearied themselves to find the door." Genesis 19:9-11

Sagamite:

Is everything about a nation the economy?

@ wman: Also tell me how the activity a drug addict who snuffs inside his private room will affect the economy of a nation. Tell me, how can the man who produces substandard drinks inside his room and sells it in his private residence will affect the economy of a nation? Tell me how the activities of a prostitute who practices her trade inside her house and different men come to her affect the nation? Homosexuality is far, far worse (I do not have an appropriate qualification) than all these and more! Please stop being childish here!

pazienza:


My kind? Really bro, i'm no homosexual, just a guy who stands for what he thinks is right.


Your country and their mob will be better off, if they channel their aggression towards their powerful looting elites, and let defenceless innocent fellow citizens be.

Sincerity is not license for mediocrity and ignorance. Do not allow the vexation all of us feel concerning the affairs of our nation drive you to support what is terribly abominable lifestyle. If you are no homosexual why not? If you think it is good why not be? and if it is evil why do you like it? Do not act like one Rastafarian I used to know. He says he does not smoke or eat weed but that he likes the aroma. This is delusion of the highest order!

pazienza:



Sowie bro, Nigeria is a secular society, i am not a member of any organized religion, i have no interest in what their holy books say, the laws of religion are binding to the adherent of such religions and not to non members. I am sure that you wouldn't want to live under Sharia laws.

How about the natural laws that are unalterable? Are you free from that too? How about your conscience, are you bigger than that too? You have no excuse sir. If you think that if you do not belong to any organized religion, that makes you free to practice abomination, you lie! You are in this world and the laws that govern this life is biding on you. That law prohibits homosexuality.

ccollins:

I will be pushed to use the usa as a example against what you just said

That will be the worse to use. Look at what has been happening there since this evil became prominent. Look at Great Britain. Look at what has happened since that country allowed homosexuals to have a field day. Look at the downward trends! Very soon Arabs will buy over London and make England and Islamic country just because of their moral failings. Homosexual is not just limited to the sex between same-sex it promotes godlessness which leads to moral failure and resulting in drug abuse, violence, occultism etc. These are nation-killers.

ccollins:

Sir,you are coming from a religious perspective... What about the free thinkers and others??

They can freely think anything good. The government and all of us say this practice is not good.

ccollins:

And then that's what makes them better than animals

If we only compare their practice to animals, then the practice is not good for any society that wants to make progress.

ccollins:

Oh my gosh!!! How can you equate homosexuality with one will take a drug that can cost his life... Useless sentiments

Those producing those bad stuff do it in the confines of their homes and still the government holes them out and prosecutes them. Saying that gay practice is done in the confine of one's own home does not make it acceptable. It is still evil that affect moral fabrics of the society negatively. It is absurd, contrary to nature, immoral, disgusting, nauseating, evil... Please desist from this destructive evil.

ccollins:

Could not have said it better.nice reply to those who think that homosexual are in same class with animals.. Hence the nauseating position towards them.

Bros, to be honest with you, they are worse than animals. Just check out what they are doing. Animals will never do that dirty stuff!

iamdsam: I support same sex marriage. It's your human right to be gay or not or even celibacy. The only thing I don't support for gays is the adoption of children. They shouldn't take what they can't produce. I support gay right. Stand up for gay rights. I think I gonna start a thread on this

You do not seem to know the full import of what you are saying. It is just like saying that NAFDAC should stop harassing people producing adulterated drinks. That people have the right to chose what is right and wrong. You can as well say what is anybody's business with what someone is produced in the confines of one's house and sold to people who willingly come to his shop inside his compound to drink his substandard drinks.

Every department of life must be so important to a responsible government. As the economic, political and environmental departments are important, so must the social, moral and educational departments. Any dysfunction in any department is capable of destroying a whole nation.

Homosexuality is an odious moral defect. It is gradually crippling know superpowers in the world today since 1991 when the first country legalized it. It is one of the fallouts of unbridled licentiousness. It has destroyed religious institutions and families around the world. My prayer is that it is never allowed in Nigeria. We already have a lot that is capable of destroying this country. Adding this evil to it will spell doom for the nation. Those who are practicing and supporting it should repent now for their own sake, nation and posterity.