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lexzyjunny: Who got an invite for the assessment centre for 16/07..let's relate..

I got an invite.

I got a text and a call to come for their assessment tomorrow. Please is there anyone in the house who also got the invite?

me_for_you: told? My guy go to calabar and see. Lagos na wash, calabar is the place to be. so clean and beautiful. One clown said lagos is comparable to London, then calabar is comparable to heaven.

Lagos na wash but una no won comot? Calabar is clean but how conducive is it for commercial activities. Besides can you compare its cleaners to any SE states?

Uyi Iredia: Calabar is clean. Even cleaner than Lagos. So I've been told by someone who went there.

Very true. I have been there and I can tell you that calabar is cleaner than Lagos. At present am in uyo and I can also tell you Akpabio aint doing bad for a PDP governor.

But the last time I checked Cross River and Akwa Ibom are not Ibo states. And the same Akpabio also moved Lagos destitute from his state back to Lagos. Have you heard LSG cried and whine about it.

The fact is if Fashola shud make the desired quantum leap we are clamouring for lagosians would complain; traders would complain about excessive taxation, average lagosian like I would perhaps complain about obnoxious laws and the ibos would sing their igbo "hater" anthem. The fact is that something has to give.

Am not making a case for fashola here ( I didn't even vote for him for his first term) but lagos generates more IGR from the island, I believe improving social facilities up there is to create a conducive environment for companies and multinationals to thrive but it shouldn't be at the detriment of the mainland. But still, something has to give before the desired balance between the island and the mainland can be arrived at.

me_for_you: Fashola is a failure in capital letters. All these osundefenders should go and sit down. Typical Yoruba attitude - suffering and smiling.
Worst is that yorubas don't have culture. That's why an ijebu man from Ogun state will live in lagos, marry in lagos, die and get buried in a lagos cemetery. Shame.

And what your culture teaches you is to come to another man's land and become a destitute, make a nuisance of the land and when its time for your demise, your culture tells you to "go and die" in your village abi?

And if you people keep thinking Ibadan, Akeru, Oshogbo and the likes are slums, then what do u say about Aba and Onitsha? Yes its a commercial centre, but those 2 cities stink to high heaven. That's the problem fashola has with Alaba, Ladipo and co. You people mess up every where, you don't know the meaning of sanitation. As long as the money flows nothing else matters and when fashola tries to bring some sanity to these places; you all play the "igbo hater" card.

shymexx: [s][/s]

Who cares? The owners of Lagos adore him - your opinion is inconsequential. You have no stake in Lagos, go worry about your state!

Very good reply. Hope he shuts his mouth now.

krafty iyk: and Americans use blacks mostly as the bad guys in there movie .. , even Devil whom we were told was God's most handsome servant is painted as a black man in American and Uk movies and church demonstrations/sculpture/drawings...i think both of them are on the same class as racist countries, none is better than the other.

But America used Morgan Freeman as God in Bruce Almighty.

dorox: @Omooba77
My piont is that if you can collect the money that goes into religion in Nigeria today and invest it into real businesses, you will have far better returns to society than putting it in church/mosque.

Not necessarily true. What of the billions of $ recovered from Abacha's family, the oil subsidy money, has Nigeria witnessed any useful returns from them?

Agreed the church is imperfect (it can't be because we are not perfect beings either). Our society needs an overhaul physically and spiritually. If we all come with a humble mind pray to God, things will change. Prayers can never be too much.

God bless Nigeria and our leaders.

9jaSceptic: Reduce the no of church houses being built on every nook and crany and let firms who can employ a significant amount of labour make efficient use of these premises and there'll be growth in the Economy as a result of the unemployed or underemployed resources( Premises where church are built) which are now employed and efficiently employed respectively.

Has the church prevented any firm from acquiring properties? If u feel so strong about it, u and ur followers should go and "occupy redemption camp" and make your displeasure known.

9jaSceptic: Nigerians muslim fast for fourty days yearly And Christians fast for 40 days and Forty Nights, But that don't make either of these people the richest, the most successful, the least successful in life, Adherents of both religion experience good and bad(both fall sick, both die, both progress) of life as they trasverse this temporal abode called earth, fast all you want, there can never be stable electricity nexy year, stable power , end to corruption In 9ja.

Fasting is not the Solution to 9ja's problem, tell you GO to invest in the Unemployed youth of his church who'll be fasting for the purpose of getting a job and reduce the number of church houses been built, so that firms that needs these properties turned to church house could make efgicient use of them and reduce unemployment and little or nobody will need to fast.



Fast all you want

You should know that one of the prayer points would be for God to trouble all those that is troubling our Israel (Nigeria). So keep your comments to yourself. We don't need spiritual pessimist like you to dull the idea.

anochuko01: if numbers of course offered is anything to go by, what then will you say of a school like AAUA that doesnt offer ANY engineering course let alone medcine and law?

Yes there are some terrible universities but there are worse polytechnics. The ratio of bad polytechnics to bad universities cannot be compared. Even the best polytechnic would not stand the least of the best universities in nigeria.

@olugbenga,
Like I said earlier, I do not know about engineering and u will notice that my comments were selective and directed at management courses.

Let them keep shouting that they are better than us. We including them know that a B.sc holder has always had the upper hand. All their whining here will not change it. I still maintain that HND should upgrade their certificate, work up the corporate ladder and change things. Their incessant whining here would not change the norm.

Thread is already getting boring.

Olugbenger: You would notice i left this debate for a while now. The same sentiments potrayed on this thread is what i can't put up with. Some folks don't even know where they stand, others can't comprehend what they want exactly.

This is coming from both sides, but i would address the one i'm most opposed to. As i said earlier, The major i've problem with HND folks is the way they go about proving their equality or, their certificates equivalence with that of Bsc holders. You don't belittle one entity, just to uplift yours. This is exactly their bane of engagement. It explains the negative and popular circulated opinions of Bsc holders being not exposed to praticals, halfbaked, less intelligent than HND holders etc.

They also err a lot when they try using foreign tendencies to justify their equality, leaving out the things that should be said to explain that, stating only what favours them in the argument.

Now, we know all these are over rated lies, half truths and hear-says. People choose what they wana believe, they hear what they wana hear.

If i go on engaging some statements here, they would be swift to label me a HND hater.

They should come with clean hands first.


BTW, i'm still open to decent debates.

I know where I stand. I believe HND is equivalent to B.sc in Accounting. I have mingled and acquainted myself with both parties and I saw no intellectual imbalance. And if you ask around besides audit firms and banks, what employers want is an HND or B.sc in Accounting plus a professional certificate.

I know little about engineering where I think the champions for and against the issue on his thread are from.

But there are no professional exams in Accounting (ICAN, CITN, ACCA and CIMA) where a B.sc holder gets a better exemption than and HND holder. They both start from the same level.
Accounting deals more in practical where you will actually prepare financial statements, management accounts, prepare taxable profits and tax returns. Although in my final year we did business policy ( to prepare us for managerial positions) which I am not sure polytechnics do.

In conclusion, if an organisation were to engage me as an Accountant, whatever I can do as a B.sc holder I expect an HND holder to be able to discharge the same responsibility as an Accountant.

aydrees09: Very soon , they will start studying MEDICINE in Poly . They would be equal then

What about Law, Social Sciences, Arts and Humanities? You think its only Medicine that makes both institution different?

gbengress1: After running through several posts on this topic, some things were crystal clear;
1. The Op is an HND holder
2.HND holders majorly base their arguments on US standards and informal statistics.
Now to my contribution, it is rather unfortunate that most people just jump into illogical conclusions that polytechnic graduates perform better in ICAN and other accounting related professional exams without any official statistics.
For your information, best students in the university are mostly chartered before the completion 4year programmes in the university.
More so, most of you always give much credence to YABATECH accounting graduates to the extent of even saying they are better than university graduates. YABATECH students can testify to the fact that they have hosted two consecutive accounting competitions involving polytechnics and universities which universities have always emerged as the winner. The most funniest part of it is that, the top 3 schools in the competitions were always universities.
During my days in the uni, polytechnic school has never emerge as the winner of any accounting quiz competition.

Well maybe there are no official statistics, but inferences are drawn from tutorial centres where polytechnic student perform better.
As regards quiz competition, yabatech never took first position in all 3 I experienced, but they were 2nd once and the others they came 3rd. Only unilag and OAU faired better. The contestants from unilag where mostly OND holders who were also PE students, some where even chartered. The funny thing is for NUASA quiz completion, unilag will not put the best students (based on CGPA) in the dpt to represent, you have to be an ICAN or ACCA student (and most of them already had their ONDs). I also think Ife does the same thing too.

segunrot: Returning the Bride price to me is not too cool. It's like one is not believing God for a smooth marriage. Faith should be attached to it. My wife's family sowed mine in the Church rather than returning it.

Why should you enter a marriage contract believing that it is doomed from the onset? When they return it, they do it by explaining why they had to.

You can also get creative by sowing yours in the church, or just spend it on your new bride.

unmask: all yoruba weddings I have attended the groom and brides family jointly take care of entertainment.......

Pls tell them ooo. They know nothing and yet choose to be ignorant.

Baby mama: You people should keep returning it nau
That's why the man will go on and marry two three and 4 wives in Yorubaland because all of them will return the bride price and he will keep marrying
Thinking that life is that easy
We don't return jack where I come from
After he has paid that money,he knows to stick to that one wife because there is no money to marry another
That is the our strategy to enshrine monogamy
If you sweat and marry nwada Mbaise,who born you to marry another
Where will you find the money?
You people should stop returning the bride price,you need to increase it sef and add prospectus list and stop enabling polygamy
Make it harder for the man
Let them show their manhood

You should know polygamy is common among the yoruba muslim although some few Christians practise it too. By the way, what if Adenuga's son marries the most expensive mbaise girl from your village? Does that stop him from taking another wife? He could in fact marry all he mbaise girls in your village with your ludicrous bride price. Your reasoning is laughable! So its bride price that keeps a marriage in your culture? Well its your culture, I won't judge you.

kennytidistar: and do not forget that in NIGERIA politics dictate most of our destiny , you may be shock that those who are better hardworking than that, may never get that Prof or even be frustrated out of the system. my program is a one year intense and tedious masters program, if I'm not taking it simple or easy it may affect my whole system, that is why I'm saying it as if it's nothing. that is the spirit.

Quite true,with politics, you might deserve it and still not get it I agree with u on that. But in my school, politics or no politics if don't deserve it you won't get it. You won't see a mediocre unilag professor. At least I haven't seen nor heard of one. And they worked hard for it.

aryzgreat: Oh! Shut it! Wot is d fraction of d bride price to d owambe party d groom throws? U guys are hypocrite! Bride price of 1000 compared to 1million naira owambe.

And who told you its the groom that pays for the party? Traditionally, its the bride family that is hosting the grooms people. But nowadays, the party is a collabo between both families to save cost.

@kennytidistar
I used to think just like you until i met one of my lecturers; an Associate prof, she had no Ph.D just her B.sc first class and M.sc. She would probably had been promoted if not that she left for a public engagement.
So I still maintained that it has to do with your journals, seminars and researches.
We have this prof in finance dpt in unilag, he'd been a Dr since 1993 or there about, guess what? He just became a professor in 2011!

kennytidistar: Gbenga, common drop dat shepe and open your eyes, read between the line, my sentence were very simple and unambiguous. I mean there is no other academic degree higher than PhD. * earn. not inform of wages or salary. omashe o, aranmo ni ile eko olonjo palongo ati alanta. chinco age. or do you think professorship is a qualifications? it's a chieftain academic title, I can defend that anywhere in the world, if you have Prof in your school ask him or her. or Gbenga you don't know the meaning of a Prof? the WAY you attached special season to it amuse me.

It not what professorship means that is the real issue here, its what it takes to be honoured as a professor. You are making it sound as if its a position you just get because you have Ph.D. Do u know the journals, seminars and researches that you would have to do?

stupor: One thing have noticed here on Nairaland is that the MODs favor some particular topics even when it lacks crystal clear truth and justice !

Every year they try to reproduce what someone has said before because they feel uncomfortable and they want cheap and lame advantage.

I will not allow someone else's ignorance and uncredible education with regards to colleagues who attended a Nigerian Uni. Education to make bleak the future of others who have earned for themselves a proud and well deserved qualification.

University education is no way superior to Polytechnic education,not even in any way !

Its just a simple example of pitied advantage of University education who are lucky enough to have been in positions and offices of power that made it easier for them to take decisions for partially for themselves only otherwise every polytechnic graduate would have done the same.

A university education is a favored opportunity that Nigerians have turned to make look like fashion and aesthetics whereas a majority that holds it move around with it full of void,originality,techicality,Objectivity,professionalism which the Polytech.has in all its ramifications.

A Univeristy education is new while the Polytechnic is the origin and bedrock which seals the fact that most Nigerians don't know,A polytech. has in its coffers all that it takes to be a professional and nothing but the best in your given field.

A University is an extension of the solid structure and foundatoion a Polytech.is found so that it can include sports,fashion and extra-curricular activities whereas the major learning,development,research,inventions,theories,proofs are simply alienated to Polytechnic,more reasOn a Polytech will floor any University grad in major Post-grad and Professional exams.

University education is for the fashion and play while a polytechnic cannot jeopardize that because the whole world depends on their theory to work includin Uni.so while a Uni student is palying VOlleyball r learning hw to swim in the college for competitions,a Polytech undergrad is nerdily locked up by their supervisors at their different labs working because the Polytech.total land mass might not even have the space for a pool talkless of a Hockey court as no much time can be devoted for. Minor things as that ! Getting your theories right are important to Polytech undergrads than sports or a swimimg pool !

How many times did you get to hear or see Albeit Eienstein found playing ? He's always locked in the lab doing new things,and that is the state of mind of an average Polytech.

The best teaching place for developing theory and assessing practical is having a quality HND certificate and not even a business school or Univsersity education in Nigeria can contest that.

University education in Nigeria is a jealous group of people with little or no knowlege when it comes to higher education and always envious when they find themselves in the midst of a Nigerian Polytechnic graduate.

Quoting your words::::::::n essence, some of the lecturers in our polytechnics lack the academic and technical wherewithal to baptize their students with the required skill and knowledge. But the problem goes beyond that!

But kindly take note of these findings:

A Polytechnic Lecturer will teach and lecture a PHD University lecturer the basics and complex areas of his or her study without reading it from the book including scientific and engineering theories.

A Polytechic graduate in accounting with HND will teach all the PHD holders including professors things they have never had of in their career history.

An OND Polytechnic holder,will comfotably teach a doctorate all he needs to know about accounting and same goes to Engineering Polytechic graduates.

While a University is offering 5 courses in final year, a Polytechnic student is managing nothing less. Than 10 complex papers incuding cumbersome Case theories to hack.

@ OP you are just one of the several bunch of Jealous University holders who take envy at Polytechnic holders or try make them look less superior but you are totally mistaken and lack the truth.

Ask for ICAN,CITN,ACCA and any other Finance related Professional exams for their Log pass history and ICAN will be proud enough to tell you that the best minds ever in the history of their exams have always being a Polytechnic graduate !

It is just your shallow sightedness and the overly congested craving that government has for Universoity as regards its funding that few people like you habour in your minds that makes you think because of the land mass,few tall structures,thearter halls Owned by law and the revered course like Medicine that makes you think you can match up with a Poly,but get it wrong completely.

After medicine and law,no other course ! I repeat no other course taken in a University on an average can outmatch a polytech grad! I have done my own several research !

Finally,let me let you know that a PHD holder cannot take the same level with an HND Accounting grad in ICAN,the HND Accounting will be nothing less than 2 steps above Your University ProF.

Or is a. Polytechnic grad that made the rule !

I will simply just want you to keep your University Certificate where ever you hid it and let it be known that the best genuises when it comes to Higher education hails from the polytechnic and stop creating unnecessary rivalry that is filled up with wrong emotional jealousies over the excellently earned skills of a polytech. Grad.

Stop discriminating and if you must get your facts clear,visit Professional bodies and foreign institutions or take a polytech. Exam first to clear your doubts befOre trying to blemish the future of well meaning graduates that have attended and earned a quality Polytech.Education.

Let's talk about something else,like how you and I as youths can affect this badly soiled country and not all these irrelevant arguments that yields no profit.

Mark Zuckerberg is the youngest billionaire because he worked on a social networking theory and i bet you he can employ you now same goes to Bill Gates,a college drop out.

Let the works of your hand speak for you and not some cheaply acquired certificates that everyone now has.

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Your post is just too long and quite tiresome. But you have this strong passion for what you believe in. That's good I'd advice you turn that passion into actions. If more HND holders worked their ways to the zenith of the corporate pyramid, then they should be able to end this prejudice. Because I think the only reason we have it like this is because employers of labour are B.sc holders. So stop the whining and go all out.
If I was in the position to employ, HND or B.sc would not even come up, its what you can deliver. But sorry I have not assumed such position and power. Its up to you guys.
May God reward all your efforts and labour.

stupor: To add to yours sir,In Ife OAU,I know a OND accounting holder that teaches almost all the accounting students extra-curricular lessOns including their final year students while he also gets paid.

His lesson institutiòn was called GOPAB :Group of Professional Accountants and Bankers.he solely teaches all the other students and his seniors at OAU,ife,way back 2O00-2005.

He finished from Osun State College of Tech,Esa-OKE with OND Accounting,made the Direct Entry list at Ife to study Acct and at the same time runs his HND Acct.concurrently at The College of Technology,Esa Oke.

Ask of GOPAB in Ife if it still exists,it was founded by young and highly intelligent OND holders from Osun State College of Tech.Esa-Oke.

This is actually true and confirmed.

Please always respect other people's qualification even when you know they can be better than you,its all for our own benefits !

Stop the hate and jealousies !

Enough of this already! He was able to teach them because he was ahead for them. Didn't you say he was running his HND? I agree HND is equivalent to B.sc (at least in management courses) but pls do not say it is better. I also taught some of my course mates back in school because of my OND, but wen we got to 300L, we were more or less already at par save for some few. The only advantage I had was that I was already used to reading for long hrs; this I got from my ND schooling.

Olugbenger: Yea bro. I understand you perfectly now.i hardly debate issues revolving about equivalence, but my grievance on this thread is not even the equality they propose if you notice from my posts.

It's coming from claims by HND chaps, that they being better than Bsc holders and they are discriminated. I take no pleasure in denigrating any individual's degree or level of education but i do take serious offence when mine is on the heat, especially being demystified falsely.


I don't endorse unrealistic approaches to employment either and do hope the standard of various educational institutions are improved. We can discuss such issues here, but reaching a prevalent compromise seems almost impossible.

Great comment from you. I also won't agree with anyone that says his HND is better than my B.sc.
Why I share in their sentiment is because I was in the system and I almost went for my HND but my boss called me then after my IT and explained why I shouldn't go for HND. She took me to the banking hall and showed me the tellers, they all had HNDs and had been stagnant for years as contract staffs in GTB. It seems unfair, but I wondered why they just chose to be tied down. Shouldn't they upgrade on their certificate? It didn't make much sense to me then, but am glad I heeded her advice and opted for a B.sc.

stupor: am also one of the best to speak on matters as these as I hate to tell people about it.I have both the Poly and Uni education at almost all the levels frm OND,HND to Msc in Uni.

With my AAT its a direct entry to 300 level without seating for exams in the Uni.including my ICAN or PGD and MBA.

Its very easy to pass any given exam in the University esp.when you come from the Polytechnic,you are nO dare-god,I was like a tin-god,I don't talk in class,but after every exam lecturers all end up to be my friend as they always want tO know which level I was in my ACCA and ICAN.

Cut the story short,get an education and if you must get any,never jeopardize that Polytechnic Offer letter,it can make you also a Tin-god in whatever field you so wishes.

My university experience was just to frolick,flirt,learn more about women and socials,I passed major Uni exams woithout reading,but only depend On my HND class lessons.that's a poly Trade secret if you must know.

Go to Yabatech and ask on average how many are already qualified Chartered Accountants at OND 2,and yet still humbly offer themselves loyalty to their lecturers.

University is for sports,Soundcity special events,Miss Nigeria,Tuface,Dbanj Concerts,while a Polytechnic is strictly for learning.

So kindly let our minds remain constructively positive and lets stop segregating as it leads no where. !

As an earner of both worlds at all levels,its always natural for someone who is jealous and of inferior esteem to feel threatened and that is the case of major Uni grads.its just like placing two kids in a roOm to study,the younger likes studying while the older just like palying around and when exams come,the younger dusted and left the older one in the class.but each time they get outside to play with others the older tries to show superiority,but only in age terms as he is a junior to his younger one in class !

That's the Uni-Poly analysis ! The younger one is the Polytechnic grad ! Who doesn care about Other frivlities and plays except books and learning.

Even despite getting Uni Ed.i was still being hated upon because i came from the Poly.and i often dust everyone of my Uni Coursemates during exams and always loved by my lecturers !

I borrowed one of my PHD lecturer my Group Consolidation theory when he wanted to write ACCA.he failed that stage 5 times consecutively in ICAN before opting for ACCA !

So I leave the rest of the emotions for you all to control,its not lipservice,if you never attended A poly and you see one so remarkable,it can make you feel with your BSC or MSC you have not attended any school at all !

Its just the rare drill of an average Poly grad.I heard the same about NCE holders too but I think an OND is a more refined scholar built for the institutional econOmics and less of a teacher.

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Correct me if am wrong but, I don't think you will be admitted to 300L with your AAT, I think its with ACA. And your analogy of those 2 boys doesn't really depict the issue here. You were better than them because you had already passed the courses. It had nothing to do with HND being better than B.sc. Same could be obtained if a B.sc holder went for lectures in a polytechnic on courses he had pass.
By the way who told you university is all about parties, sports and the likes. I used to think unilag was like that until I read my eyes out to graduate. What make a good school are those social facilities u trivialise. Have you ever wondered why u won't be employed with just an ACA without your B.sc and HND? Its because they expect the school to pass through you and not just the other way round. Have you also ever wondered why we have more entrepreneurs who are B.sc holders than its "younger nerdy brother"? Its still because of those social environment and facilities you trivialise.

kennytidistar: YES, A Professor is the leading expert in a certain area in a University. and is only a champion or elder in a family that received chieftain title. yes ke. but no matter How your Prof chop winch reach, e no go earn past PhD. ALL na wash

With comments like this, u shouldn't be contributing on this thread because you r just opening and closing your mouth ni.

Olugbenger: Do you know PGD Post Graduate Diploma is?

Run from this thread, while you still have the chance.

I doubt if he knows. That guy dey fall HND holders hand jare.

Olugbenger: Sorry, i should have said Europe or western trained graduates explicitly.

Btw, i still don't get your point.

Here is my point. I get pretty upset when some dude with a certificate from an obscure african country comes around and some employers just feel he should be better than us here cos he is "foreign". That how HND graduate also feel when employers just feel B.sc is better than HND without even giving them a chance. I hope you get my point and how it relates to this issue?

kennytidistar: and So? who told you there no Dr in polytechnic? is Prof not just a chieftain academic title? do you want to earn more than PhD? let start thinking above our cap!!

Your comment is very very funny.
Lwkmd

Olugbenger: Bro, you have grave reading problems and comprehension issues.
You see why i referred you to you as a clown. I earlier stated that i'm not a novice though i'm not in the field, and you are trying to score cheap points with that.


I know of ICAN tutors/organisations, PYE, WYSE etc and i know those who lecture there exactly. I've a sibling who is chartered, so i know exactly what i'm talking about here. Stop trying to inject false conjectures to create a disparity involving the focus of this discussion.


I only refuted your earlier claim and you are yet to disprove my accusation, so what are you on about?


That only Yabatech has competent lecturers on IFRS?

I don't intend disgracing you here. Make your points clear, if valid.

To start with, read my post carefully I never said only yabatech has competent ifrs lecturers. I said we engaged a lecturer from there to teach us on some topics on advance FA. Like I said from the beginning of this thread, based on syllabus content, competent and qualified lecturers, B.sc accounting and HND accounting are equivalent. The disparity is only in the mind of employers who reason like you.

Olugbenger: Most foreign trained graduates being better than the Nigerian ones is widely known and generally acceptable. It's not even debateable considering the current level/standard of our institutions here.


So what are you talking about being flawed?

I was expecting this predictable answer. So are you telling me graduates from ghana, togo, ugandan, angola and the likes are better than us here? some employers just get carried away with a non nigerian certificate. They don't care where it is from, are we that bad?

PS: I agree with you that non african graduates are better equipped and trained than us here.