₦airaland Forum

raumdeuter:
Because the market is closer to Lagos.

Most people would want to dock close to wher3 the market is

Lagos Plus the Southwest have a population of over 40M why would you want to dock close to the SE where they dont have the buying population there

If you are importing say generators, you dock in Onne, one docks in Lagos, Assuming its the same cost of landing. you would have to spend extra to transport yours to the Southwest where most of the buyers reside while Mr B sends less

Hmm.. SIR

What do you think made 40milion people (according to you) congregate at lagos + sw area?

I think it's business, which mostly sterns from the seaport.
Now imagine we make another seaport functional
and another boisterous economy like that in lagos + sw
Is created..
Don't you think Nigeria will be a better place?

Do you know how much customs pays as demurrage daily?
As at 2009, it was in newspapers that it stood at 1bilion naira!

Super1Star:
Here comes another fabricated lies.

There is no policy anywhere. SW axis is where the market is because of the purchasing power of the people in that axis. Hence, importers will route their goods through Lagos.

Simple as ABC.

Go to your town hall meetings and demand that all your igbo brothers should be importing only through Onne and listen to their response.

"purchasing power of the people (sw) "
Seriously?

Sir.. What do the sw people do to earn this purchasing power you speak of?

Please explain how that makes a man who wants to sell his goods
prefer To pass the goods through Lagos and pay trucks N50,000 and more
to deliver it after custom duties.

sweetgala:
Ask all the SE traders who have moved from their base in the east to Lagos, with the high rent and cost of commerce why it is so attractive.

Ask the foreign missions and multinationals who moved their HQ to Lagos in the light of the insecurity in the ND and SE amdd North due to kidnapping and brigandry. Even with the craze NURTW have tbey have never been known to kidnap a expatriate for ransom.

Ask the numerous governors who have run Lagos from Maruwa to Ambode who know the secret to attracting internal and external investors is creating a good environment, I was shocked when my cousin who is doing rather very well in Abuja told me during weekends Abuja is empty cause everyone goes to Lagos to enjoy the fruits of their labour.

Ask the citizenry who have created an accommodating enviromr for all who come to seek the Nigerian dream of fame and fortune so long they come with good intentions.

Lagos is the centre of Nigeria, and while PH and Enugu can be fun they do not have the woaw factor Lagos has, be jealous very jealous.

I'm not even a lagosian I hate the city, it is too rowdy for me, too busy, too congested, but I appreciate the reality of things.

Stop blaming the Yoruba for taking what they had and making good gains over time, this your tribalistic excuse is getting long in the tooth. Blame the citizenry of that state for not assaulting the ills in their society, God forbid the day the son born into a good house with ancestry decenfs into the vagabond levels MEND did, destroying the pipelines and by so doing the rivers and farms their people feed off. Go find out what the Yoruba call such children

Yes great speech! Applaudusé!

Now.. Sir,

Do you think that this "insecurity" in the ss would have started
If the youths were employed?

Open any job listing and see that 90% of advertised jobs are in Lagos. Why?

Oil companies operate in ss, flunt their huge cash everywhere,
Employ the barest minimum and pay them peanuts compared to the work they do.

Both the employed and unemployed in ss are not happy (mostly).

So in your opinion,
Is this "insecurity" you keep pointing out an inbuilt culture in ss people?

Am sure u know the solution already ... Let's hear yours

GeniusDavid:
OP onne seaport is for mostly oil vessels..

But it's name us WEST AFRICAN CONTAINER TERMINAL (WACT)


so how is it restricted to oil vessels?

Super1Star:
If it is a FTZ, the better. Why are the SE importers still not using it? The truth is most importers will not use it even if the FG is paying them through incentives to use it. Maybe the economy of that region cannot sustain their importation through that port.

Insecurity can only be achieved by the concerted efforts of the leaders and youths of the region and not only through Govt coercion.

Insecurity is a perception that is not easy to correct. Before you can contract any foreigner to do any outside SW and Abuja, do you kn how much extra it will cost in comparison with what same foreigner would have charged for a job in SW and Abuja?

In a simple layman's language, which might be easier for you to understand -- you are paying premium for the insecurity.

That is the reason we should always be careful of our actions when we are shouting we are fighting for our rights under the name of militancy, kidnapping, robbery etc.

Well said..


So do we leave the cost of the sea port and efficiency it promises to waste?

Am sure the problem can be solved.. Pipeline vandalism was solved by yaradua right?

kayfra:
It's the cost of militancy and general unruly behavior. Those same people have made the cost of producing oil as high as $28 a barrel when actual cost should be like $12-15 a barrel. Nigeria now has to start shutting down oil fields in the interlands since it's no longer worth lifting and selling at a loss. If the oil was located in the SW in that quantity and we maintained our relative peaceful nature, it would have been a different story.

The militants also ruin the viability of Calabar as a seaport. It's just unfortunate for the peaceful Ibibios, Afangs and other tribes in Akwa Ibom and Cross River area.

They can't manufacture fast boats can they(militants)?
So who gave them the boats?

So these militants can not be stopped to cut costs and improve general public life in the country?
The same way it is done at lagos?

sweetgala:
I'm sure onne is a great facility, I meant hostile piracy when individuals attack ships, with the action if MEND and militants in that axis with access to the sea using fast boats this is a reality if the traffic in that axis does increase and these guys sea the easy pickings.

Yes the government can reduce the cost of demorage by improving efficiency, but the FG need to strategize a plan to do this, please stop the ethnic excuse.

Are there really Zero pirates at lagos sea fronts?
Can the method used to ensure safety there not be applied at onne?

Efficiency in every situation dictates that to solve multiple problems faster,
It is better to use 2 or more problem solving whatever..

In our case.. Efficiency is the reason onne was built.
So why leave it to Roth while the problem is actually increasing in all ramifications?

It's not ethnic. It's a national problem.
It affects all including those in lagos, sokoto, borno and cross river states

kayfra:
Their imports are consequential but the economic power is in the SW. Why would a ship berth in Onne when it will only have a few containers destined for that area and then add the insecurity to the mix which Jacks up insurance cost for both the vessel owners and the shippers.

Like the FBI forensic accountants always say... "follow the money"

So the question is: who will benefit the most if the onne port stays shut/non fully functional?

Lol... So who is really causing the "insecurity"?

sweetgala:
It can be charged to government, it is the cost incurred for not processing ships at the docks. You should research the Nigeria cement dumorage saga to get a good idea of how it works

Nice

asha80:
actually se,most parts of ss,up to half of middle belt and whole of ne is nearer ph than Lagos...also nothing 'central' about lagos

Thanks pointing that out.

AM sure he has never been to ss or PH or traveled to abuja by road from ss.
So don't blame him.

Fellow "Nigerian" indeed

Super1Star:
What is "dumorage"?

How is "dumorage" a cost to Govt?

I Correct myself.. I speak of "demurrage" how is it a cost to government?

Ships get delayed at lagos port after arriving.
The port must pay them to wait in line till they are offloaded.
Yes. Customs transfers these costs plus extra to importers..

But importers transfer the costs to consumers /citizens..
Citizens receive their one u from government.

So eventually the money is paid by the government.. Lol crazy country

Super1Star:
It is so expensive to deliver to Onne because of the following:

1. The importers had a choice of filling destination port themselves and they wrote Lagos with their own pen.

2. Th hazards for liners to berth in Onne is too much and it is not commensurate with the reward. Hence, captain decline carrying cargoes meant for such dangerous water. Anyone that will berth there will be at a higher cost.

3. Due to the fact that more ships are not berthing there, the charges might cost more because the cost of running a port is almost th same whether the port is in Zungeru or Sambisa or Kandahar. It is those small number of berthing ships that will bear the brunt of the total operational cost of the port. Hence the charges.

This will decrease greatly if only the importers from SE can simply fill Onne as destination port, can insure the lives of the crew and pay premium for the risk the ship is undertaken.

So what's the solution to insecurity?

You think you government can not solve that?

Don't You think the government can impose very low tarriff at onne to foster more trade?
I Remember onne is a trade free zone...

mcee1:
If you like go hug transformer no one cares. Children of hate

Please bring back our girls!


Why did they stop chanting that, are the girls back?

Sweetgala

How may times have you heard of container piracy at onne?
Maeserk lines use it to date without issues.

And all these your points..
If you were the presidents.. Can you not overcome them to improve the lives of your people?

Or at least to reduce the dumorage costs to your Government?

soulpeppersoup:
How many container will be board on a ship to onne? If you can load a full ship it will be delivered to your onne port. But since only a few container are heading to east, it is economic waste.

Really you think a full ship from China discharges all containers at lagos port?
Y then do you think we pay them dumorage?

godfirstawe:
What are you saying OP?
That onne port don't work? Or it doesn't clear goods and oil products? Lagos port maybe on pressure making containers queue...




Please don't feed us with wrong facts.

Hmm.. I am saying it ain't working like a standard sea port that it was built to be.

And making it fully functional will reduce 1bilion naira a day we pay as dumorage to oil bearing ships.

Or do you think that is non factual?

Btw I am asking the question here.. :-)

Super1Star:
Politics ko politricks ni.

Just tell the so called importers and killers of our economy to make the port of destination for their goods to be Onne and the shipping lines will comply.

However, they all know it will come at a higher cost to them because the shipping lines will factor in the possibility of kidnapping, piracy and even death.

Yes.. Good question.. Y is it so expensive to deliver to onne?

Kidnapping etc are all recent events...

soulpeppersoup:
How many container will be board on a ship to onne? If you can load a full ship it will be delivered to your onne port. But since only a few container are heading to east, it is economic waste.

So u support this 1 port idea? Wow!

93RD:
I just notice something with this viviangist.. all the so called news she has posted on nairaland today is either to portray the APC governors as good and PDP governors as bad... Abi you self dey follow chop the yam being shared to the "apc change agents" .

Imagine O.. When Yam CHANGE color no be wahala be that?

Herald47:
this is one of the reasons some people called jonathan a clueless man.
When nnamdi azikiwe was there he brought UNN.

When tafawa balewa was there he brought ahmadu bello university.

When shagari was there he initiated plans to move the f.c.t from lagos to abuja.

When maj.Gen.buhari was there he built kaduna refinery.

When IBB was there he moved the capital from lagos to abuja.

When abacha was there he over looted.

When gej was there he....?

Gen white beard (abdusalami) brought democracy
Even baba obj brought empty-hen and telecommunications.
Yaradua brought amnesty

Jonathan wetin u do?

http://www.premiumtimesng.com/news/headlines/194156-nigerias-foreign-reserves-drops-to-30-04bn-cbn.html

It is no news that we had roughly 40bilion dollars in foreign reserves nearly all through Jonathan's terms in office.

It was during his time that dangote, a private business man with limited resources,
Started sourcing for funds to build a new refinery at a cost of 9bilion dollars.

So why did Jonathan government not put 27bilion into building 3 brand new refineries?

He/they knew what our problem was - excessive importation of petrol.
Yet they sat on their oars.

In that Jonathan and his government failed!


I hope the current BUHARI led government will not make the same mistake of identification without solution to our problems.

OK.. More recent one: http://www.premiumtimesng.com/news/headlines/194156-nigerias-foreign-reserves-drops-to-30-04bn-cbn.html


If we have 29bilion and it takes 9bilionto build a new refinery (according to dangote)

Why is the government not considering building at least 2 new refineries?

ayindepremier:
http://google.com.ng can be your best friend!

Last info there is from June 2015..

Advanced Propaganda Cooperation

In action

The last publication on foreign reserves was in June 2015...

So what is the figure now?

Fraud!

Another case of subsidy in the north and fertilizer diversion begins!

osemu8:
President Muhammudu Buhari has directed the Nigeria Customs Service, NCS, to transfer relief items in various customs warehouses to designated officials for onward distribution to Internally Displaced Persons, IDPs.
The Service Public Relations Officer, Wale Adeniyi, disclosed this in an interview with the News Agency of Nigeria in Abuja on Sunday.
According to Mr. Adeniyi, the Comptroller General has set up a national committee that would coordinate and manage the movement and the transfer of seized relief items to give effect to the President’s directive.
He said the relief items currently in government warehouses for distribution to the IDPs included goods that had been forfeited to the Federal Government of Nigeria.
“It is important to stress that these items are only those that have been condemned properly in the competent court of law and have been forfeited to the Federal Government of Nigeria.
“They include food items like rice, vegetable oil, spaghetti and essential items like soap, used clothing materials, mosquito nets, beddings and others,’’ he said.
Mr. Adeniyi said that members of the committee were drawn from Customs Service, Army, Air Force, Police, Immigration Service and the EFCC.

Lalasticlala

www.premiumtimesng.com/news/top-news/196900-boko-haram-buhari-orders-nigeria-customs-to-distribute-seized-rice-others-to-displaced-persons.html

Quick question :

If they are condemned goods.. How are they fit for use and consumption by IDPs?

Another propaganda!

Don't sell imo staté before u leave office o!

Just collect your own from allocation, settle your party and leave imo staté property alone!
It's not your family Property.. (what's with that white goaty?)

Years is passing now, not 1 company has arrived imo state.

Just for attendance sake.

Stop gas flaring.. NO!

Install wind power plants.. NO!

Reduce oil spill ages in Niger delta.. NO!

Clean up oil Spillage in the country.. NO!

USE WATER/HYDRO POWER GENERATORS.. No!

Mtchewww..

Why is the onne sea port not clearing containers?
Why is it not helping to deliver imported petrol?

Why did Nigeria spend so much to build sea port
99% of goods are still imported through the older sea port in lagos?

Onne unlike lagos is a very free place..
Trucks can park and load whatever without encroaching into port Harcourt city I unlike lagos.

So y not use that port?

Why pay shipping companies demurrage daily to wait till they get discharged/offloaded at lagos port?

Is it politics again?

Nigeria should learn effective and efficient ways of living...

Money40:
That I the work of youruba media, you can see how ogundamisi posted pictures of a violent crash that happened in taraba and said igbos attacked hausas in Riverstate, this is why I hate Yorubas, they are evil snakes, may God forgive me for hating them but I hate them all from fashola who deported igbos in one Nigeria, from Lagos. To there imbecilic oba who treaten to drown the children of Israel in lagoon, hate filled tribe, if you asked them what did igbos do to warrant such hate , dey don't know it is just share jealousy and wizardry, that's why God threw away oduduwa from heaven along side devil

If they leave igbos to become friends with husband British.. .

There will be another functional sea port in the south.
That will spoil business for them. Period

I hope Osewa doesn't shutdown this thread.. :-D

The only way for igbos to the free of the current oppression is to call for colonial rule... :-D