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That people like obasasnjo and babaginda are free men today shows that nigeria is gangster paradise,a rogue deluded state,whichever way u see it.

And these two animals are seen by some deluded masses as statesmen and heros.It is only when a nation's survival instincts and endeavours are built on the platform of stack and inherent ignorance will sub-human like obasanjo and the likes of babaginda will be seen as normal,talkless of leaders that chats the faith of gullible millions.

Not even their normal thinking children will see as worthy of respect and emulation but like the saying goes,like parents like children.

In a country where reasoning is far fetched,anything diabolical goes.What he is trying to do is not different from what christians and moslems do everyday in their respective place worship praying to the thin air to help them deal with demons,devils,witches and all the imaginary enemies they create for themselves by being stupid.

We are still very primitive as a people,even though we find it difficult to accept but it is all in our foot prints.

[quote author=~Sauron~ link=topic=456067.msg6163443#msg6163443 date=1275838189]I have seen more intelligent Silverbacks in London Zoo.
Me nor blame you sha. . . .I blame the recipient of your Y-chromosomes for not using it as Listerine. [/quote]Silver back is too good for you,you are too dumb and docile to be called a being.

[quote author=~Sauron~ link=topic=456067.msg6163324#msg6163324 date=1275837286]Then it says a lot about your retarded nature that someone who's yet to touch EVOLUTION schooled you on what makes an act a TERRORIST act.
You are a disgrace to your entire lineage. Clutching at straws will not help you. . . .
Why don't you invest in a couple of yards of strong rope and then find a strong beam to tie it to?[/quote]All you do is continue to fool yourself that terrorism means anything other than terrorism because of your stupi-d misconception of the imperial language that have kept u silly and will continue to keep your generations silly unless you begin to think

You are not good enough to have a dog as pet talkless of offspring.Your intuition is not as good as that of dogs

[quote author=~Sauron~ link=topic=456067.msg6163324#msg6163324 date=1275837286]Then it says a lot about your retarded nature that someone who's yet to touch EVOLUTION schooled you on what makes an act a TERRORIST act.
You are a disgrace to your entire lineage. Clutching at straws will not help you. . . .
Why don't you invest in a couple of yards of strong rope and then find a strong beam to tie it to?[/quote]All you do is continue to fool youself that terrorism means anything other than terrorism because of your stupi-d misconception of the imperial language that have keprt u silly and will continue to keep your generations silly unless you begin to think

You are not good enough to have a dog as pet talkless of offspring.Your intuition is not as good as that of dogs

[quote author=~Sauron~ link=topic=456067.msg6163262#msg6163262 date=1275836760]Redsun. . . . .
How did EVOLUTION miss your mental faculty?
U sound like a troglodyte!!![/quote]Evolution haven't touched you at all,you are just a walking deluded  zombie,not as idealistic as even long gone neatherthal

[quote author=~Sauron~ link=topic=456067.msg6163210#msg6163210 date=1275836273]SPERMFLAKES seem to occupy the cavity your brain-cells should be. . . .
If i understand you, you are saying the fear caused by a gunman in a rampage is quite different to the kind of trauma a wild animal on the loose can cause?

In the punditry of hard currency, your level of intelligence is lower than the Zimbabwean dollar.[/quote]The fact is that your fundamental bearing as a  human being is missing,whatever you analyze is just as poros as your reasoning.

[quote author=~Sauron~ link=topic=456067.msg6163178#msg6163178 date=1275835936]Kindly articulate your comments very well. . . . .
I don't understand the gibberish you spewed above.
Don't be in a rush. . . . . .Take your time. [/quote]What will you ever understand as a fool?

[quote author=~Sauron~ link=topic=456067.msg6163130#msg6163130 date=1275835462]This simpleton still bleats?
Are you not ashamed of yourself? U told us anything that terrifies/terrorizes is a TERRORIST?
I gave examples of animals that have terrorized their respective neighbourhood and all you could do is run with your tails between your legs.

If you marry a dunderhead like you, you will produce idiots.[/quote]Like i said you are very stup-id,you can only use that stance if are talking about wild animals like that commits terrorist acts but in this case we are talking of suppose human beings that terrifies people by their terrorist acts of violence,killing  and destroying just like the man in question did.

Average african in this case means you that fail to see beyond your nose.

As for sauron or whatever you call him,he is irrelevant since he see himself as wild animal

ElRazur:
You mean "Tell it to the birds of the skies"? Yeah, that one is from James Hadley Chase's Crime thriller. Very original.

Very daft of you to keep saying "you don't understand blah blah blah" when your view point is forever challenged and ripped apart.

In Ethics and Law, Law is said to be perceived in some instances as not fair, but the law is still the law. While you may not agree with the stance of the society on certain issue, the view of the society remains unchanged.

For example I do not agree with paying taxes, but I am bound by the laws of the land to pay them. Get it?

You see using your logic,[b] by the laws and stance of the land in which this killings happened, it is not termed as a terrorist act. [/b]Merely, "a rampage" etc. I suppose you know better than the people of the UK right? Awesome.

Disagreeing with the stance, or looking for justification to back up your very weak points, are nothing but your problem. The society as it stand have the view that he is not a terrorist.  


What a load of non-sense. Seriously, what a load of non-sense. He's a licensed gun user for over 5 years, are you trying to suggest he knew what he wanted to do all along?  Please let's not start making things up.

Again, I am forced to correct you here you see. Terrorism have a political ideology attached to it - like it was mentioned to you before - and it usually comes in this day and age with a form of religious notion of some kind.

Please go back and the read the original story of Derrick Bird killings, he had problems with his families - an ongoing family feud of jealousy and envy. To keep suggesting he is a terrorist, when the majority of the society and law of the land disagrees with you is just a joke on you. I think you may want to have the birds of the skies to agree with you on this one, because seriously, you appear to be alone here.

Before we get all tribalistic - not sure if this is your goal - but allow me to stop you there and ask you this: What is  the connection between the price of tea in Bangladesh and Vocal slender playing in London tonight?   Please stick to the issue at hand. You know, the classification of Mr Derrick Bird's crime as to whether it is a Terrorist act or not.

Yeah I agree a dolphin is probably smarter than you . WTF.

I am not even gonna bother with the above quote. It makes no sense and irrelevant to the debate at hand.  

Tell it to the birds in this case means tell it to birds brain like you that dreads to see things outside the box.

Secondly,there is nothing you are saying here that you have not said before trying to justify your delusion that the act of terrorism can mean something else just because the english laws and language says so forgetting that this forum is open to opinions and views that are not based on english laws and language.

As for referring you to your tribal language,i am trying to jolt you back to reality,maybe you will get a hint that terror and terrorism could mean something different other than what the english laws and language 'technically' says it is but because people like you as a result of inherent indoctrinations and imperialism that defines your life,your language is almost a thing of the past and you are therefore no more in the position to have the instinctive abilities to have your views or make decisions of what things might and could be,hence my reference to dolphine who by all the scientific evidences abound are more intuitively in-tuned to their own world,than an average african like you.They see the world in their own eyes and very much unlike you,whos theories and ethics of what the world is are based solely on the english man's views and laws.



Can't you see you are silly?

[quote author=~Sauron~ link=topic=456067.msg6162624#msg6162624 date=1275829532]Masai open plain? Are you an idiot?
U have never heard of wild animals breaking out of Zoo to terrorise the neighbouring communities in developed countries?
U have not heard of Crocs/Gators attacking humans in Florida and claiming lives? So those Crocs are terrorists?
By the powers conferred on me by Seun(The Admin). . . . .I hereby declare YOU ARE THE BIGGEST PLONKER ON THIS FORUM.

Terrorism is a violent act but there has to be a Political undertone behind it to establish Terrorism.
U cannot tell me serial r[i]a[/i]pists or a P[i]e[/i]dophiles are terrorists because people are terrified of them.
Cheese n Rice. . . . . .Admit you are wrong and stop spewing bunkum in the name of being stubborn.[/quote]No wonder you are stupid,you think of yourself as a wild animal.

Like every other thing,you centre your little mind on a small potion of what political agendas could mean.Man is a political animal,whether he is acting by himself or in a group,whatever is propelling him to be defiant against the society is his political agenda,deluded or not,paedophile or an islamist not withstanding.

You guys should open your clustered minds to see things on bigger perspectives

[quote author=~Sauron~ link=topic=456067.msg6162508#msg6162508 date=1275827763]You have a warped logic. . . .

So a Lion breaks out of the zoo and kills two children in Sphinx Estate.
The neighbourhood is terrified cos the Lion is still yet to be found and they don't know when the Lion might strike again.

Going by your moronic theory, the Lion is a terrorist because it terrifies.
I need to buy you artificial intelligence. . . . .

Stop displaying sheer ignorance. . . . .
Every violent crime terrorizes the neighbourhood. . . . .That includes ra[i]p[/i]e, robbery, burglary, etc.

So a s[i]e[/i]x offender leaves Prison and moves back into his house. . . .His neighbours are terrified cos of what he might do to their children or their daughters. . . . . Does that make the s[i]e[/i]x offender a terrorist?
Are you from the land of Philistines?

Armed robbers are not terrorists, you stark illiterate.
He is what he is. . . .an ARMED ROBBER. You can never equate any violent crime with TERRORISM.

Stop clutching at straws. . . . .Without a political motive, there is no TERRORISM.
You should sue your teachers/lecturers in School. . . . . .They did an awful job on your mental development. [/quote]You are stupidly confuse,we are not talking masai open grassland plain here mind you,ode

Terrorism is a violent act,armed robbery is a violent,the perpertrators always have ideologys behind them,politcal or not,to be defiant

ElRazur:
You saying the same thing again, even though I tried to explain to you previously in simple terms:


In addition to that, Armed robbers, Area boys, Omo onile etc using your logic should be labelled as terrorist, but guess what, the society do not, and the will and stance of the society carries more weight of reason, than yours am afraid.

This nah very simple matter. Choice of words, Definition of a word, the application of the word and in the context it is used as dictated by the society we are in.  

This is probably one of the simplest debate I have engaged in on nairaland.

You are trying to explain what you don't understand and that can only make sense to the birds.

The fact that the overriding society that you unconsciously and subjectively believe in thinks that an action that impacts the same physical,emotional and traumatic effects on the victims and society at large can be termed differently based on the race,religion,intentions,creeds etc of the assumed of person or persons that carried out the action,does not make it right,get that straight into your head.

The actions of the said man was not in anyway different from the actions of the mumbai terrorists massacre that took place not long ago in india,but in his own case,he was a one man squad terrorist with grudges against the society that meticulously kept those guns for so long waiting for the right time that he is had enough to take out the people that he hates and the unlucky passers by along with his sad self,same things proclaimed terrorist does

If i may ask you,what does your people call terror and terrorist in your language? I bet you won't know that and that explains why you are lost like so many africans who speaks in the languages they don't understand,it is meaningless hence the dormancy among africans because the languages they interact with and think they understand does not have any intuitive perceptions and views that drives a language,a typical case of gibbering.

Animals like dolphins are more evolved in everyday practical communications than average africans and that explains why they are able to navigate the massive oceans, keep their young and maintain communities(pods) for millions of years.Communication is way more than the word of mouth.

[quote author=~Sauron~ link=topic=456067.msg6161163#msg6161163 date=1275787906]Any idiot can grab a gun and start shooting people. . . . .The motive behind it is as important as the crime itself.
By your definition, you are saying all serial killers and all those armed robbers in Nigeria are terrorists?
Abeg, get some perspective. . . .You are embarrassing yourself here.

There's a big difference. . . . .Grab a book and read!!![/quote]Of course they are terrorist bimbo,because they terrorize the people by their actions.Just because there are other oyinbo words for them does not mean they are not terrifying.What happens when a serial killer is on the loose?don't people feel terrified?same as when robbers are on rampage.

You guys don't have intuitive understanding of the words you use,that is why you find it difficult to see deeply,most of you are like tutored chimps,you can't see things differently unless as you are taught to see them.

[quote author=~Sauron~ link=topic=456067.msg6161118#msg6161118 date=1275786623]Muslims who blow themselves up were brain-washed, belonged to a group of extremists and they were fighting a CAUSE.
The man in question did not belong to any group. . . .He wasn't brainwashed. . . .He only SNAPPED.
The money invested in your education shoulda been used to buy prophylactics to prevent your existence, you dumbfuck.

You are the biggest fool on Planet Earth. . . . .
Without a doubt, your IQ is lower than your shoe-size.

My mind does not need to wander to decipher a basic logic.
How can you brand Derrick a terrorist because he snapped and killed 12 people?  Do you reason with your testicles or are you being paid to be a plonker on the webspace?[/quote]You are obviously stupid for not to getting the point before talking rubbish.Does not being brainwashed like you are make it any different from being a terrorist act?He terrorized people by picking up guns and started killing just like any islamist or any wacko will do.

The fact that a terrorist is driven by religious cause does not make him or her different from the one that is driven by mundane stress.

[quote author=~Sauron~ link=topic=456067.msg6160566#msg6160566 date=1275779272]Redsun is just an illiterate. . . .
How did Derrick Bird commit terrorism?  A guy loses it upstairs and went on rampage with a shotgun and killed 12 people.
How is that terrorism FCOL?

What are we producing in Nigeria these days?
Half-baked nitwits?
If anyone mentions terror here, i will piss in his nostrils.[/quote]Another fool is here again showing his brain washed stupidity.What do you think happens to moslems that blows themselves up?do u think they lost their legs?No they lost their heads just like this murderfucker did,he chose to take people along with him instead of just committing suicide,that is terrorism

These idiots fail to realize that as much people are deluded in the west so there are in any other place.Incessant acquisitions like you have in the west is delusion and that is what is making them to commit murderous acts when they can't afford to keep up.

The reason why people like you remain silly is that your minds don't wander,you like to listen and obey the master too much to the point of losing your minds.

Words could be infinite.

They are armed robbers that terrorized people,same terrorism comes into play init?Terror is terror,which ever way you toy with it.FEAR.

ElRazur:
Using your logic, there these people will be called Terrorist right? Well, you may be right, but the general society at large and the court of law see them as nothing but mere Armed robbers.

You may once again not agree with this, but these are the way things are dictated in the society.

I think it is you that should change your views,just because the conventional society and laws that are not infallible thinks or sees things in certain ways does not means they are right.

We all live in the same world and until we begin to see injustices,plights,delusions as the same,race,colour,locations and causes notwithstanding,peace can never reign.

The same reason why far rights,skin head heads,neo nazis get away with murderous acts and hateful incitements because they are seen as mere racist not terrorists that they really are.

If he was just a trouble man that was fed up of the race,he should have gone before a train like most of them do, but because he hated the world,just like an average islamist do,he took his time to plan the whole scenario and made sure he killed as many as possible before he went,that is plain terrorism,your seeing it differently is because like i said before you have been schooled to believe that an act of terror like that by an english can be seen as been different from an act of terror by a fed up moslem.

The people of that area will never feel the same again,at the back of their mind,at any given time,they will be thinking of such a thing occurring again and that is what terrorism does.

What i am trying to tell you is that terrorism as a word should be used for it is,whether it is an act of a deluded moslem controlled by some kind of delusion and oppression,or an act of a whacked american or english that chose to kill en mass for one reason or the other.

They are all terrorism,why you are finding it difficult to see it for what it is is because the word has been politicized to suit one quarter at the expense of the other,i don't reason on that line,i see things for what they are.

Since you said you understand english,u should know what terrorism mean.Terror is terror,that guy terrorized the people,killed so many and killed himself because he was ready to die,just like the suicide bombers do.

@elrazur

Your type will be will be very quick to label an arab man that because of his disillusionment and tortured soul,according to you,picks up a gun and start shooting people at random a terrorist,just because u have been mentally conned like every other thing to believe that his act is terrorism while that of an english man or an american that did the same can be seen as stress.

Terrorism is terrorism,any act that terrifies people and takes life for no cogent reason is terrorism,it doesn't matter whether it comes from an english person,american or a moslem.

You guys just speak this imperial language without making sense of it,that is why you are not going nowhere with it rationally and constructively,

A perverted criminal like obasanjo does not have any right to any opinion,his opinions belongs to the underworld and dungeons where he belongs.

We discuss non issues on this forum most time,like orofofo people.

In a country where majority are officially deluded,reasoning is out of the question and that is why we remain stagnant because we are not thinking.We are like helpless children relying on the failed past for our future.

The age of reasoning and innovations have been a thing of concern and interest among civilizations for thousands of years and yet,in the 21st century we can't even reason that it is proper to clean our streets,maintain basic amenities,talkless of scientific endeavours and progress.Stone age men.

If nigeria must move on progressively as one,we must learn to think and draw out platforms for progress,not grorifying the hopeless past because of our primitive and tribal sentiments.

If there is anything to write home about our founding fathers,apart from getting independence from already weakened and disillusioned british empire,who were very glad to leave,why are we like sheep without out shepherds today,with no single sense of direction and purpose as a people?

Our notions of nation  building are destruction,corruption,victimization,tribalism,as-s licking,inferiority complex and backwardness.

Our founding fathers left a sand castle as legacy,a sand castle that has long crumbled because it was built solely on pure sand without a single cement and concrete.

Visionless,selfish,shallow and tribal projections are the theme of our constitutions and creeds.

They rob the blind,they rob the innocent,they rob the children,theyrob the down trodden and yet,they command respect,authority and even pity among the same people they are bent on destroying.What a tragedy.

Honestly,ibori and others like him,in the person of obasanjo and co deserve to be shot and strip of all their belongings down to their third generations.

They are nothing short of the devil and demons that noisy christians pray against everyday in their churches in nigeria and yet, they give the same devils high seats in churches in return for fat offerings from the blood soaked loots.