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PoliticsRe: Why Are Nigerians Afraid Of Living Without Igbos What Is Their Fear. by Reflect7: 9:17pm On Oct 04, 2021
Bookhub:
I am new here as a member,though i have being a guest for years before signing in,i can tell you the effort and energy people here put towards discouraging igbos from seceding is out of this world no words can describe some have turned it to their Main occupation,it surprises me that out 500 ethnic group that make up Nigeria how come this on ethnic group is that important,people are willing to kill,Maim and even sacrifice their lives to ensure igbos stay in Nigeria..

This makes me wonder will Nigerians perish if igbos leave?will heaven fall?no brain can really comprehend the love/hate behind this phenomena,even in real life bring up the topic watch how people will argue and give you one million points why igbos should remain in Nigeria i notice this arguments take long..the last time i had such argument it was with a Yoruba muslim he nearly cried because he couldn't convince me.. shocked since then i have taken my mind off having such arguments..
OP, STOP DECEIVING YOURSELF.

KANU WAS OFFERED THE 5 IGBO STATES IN 2017 TO TAKE AS 'BIAFRA' AND HE REFUSED, SAYING HE WANTS THE NIGER DELTA REGION WHERE NIGERIA'S OIL AND GAS FIELDS SIT.

IF HE HAD TAKEN THE 5 IGBO STATES YOU WOULD ALL BE IN YOUR BIAFRA BY NOW.

BUT THEIR REAL AIM IS TO ANNEX THE NIGER DELTA SO THAT THE IGBO ELITE CAN OWN ALL THE NATION'S OIL AND GAS.

NIGERIA OF COURSE SAYS A BIG FAT NO.

THAT IS THE MAIN PROBLEM, NOT THAT ANYONE GIVES A DAMN ABOUT IGBOS STAYING OR LEAVING.

THEY WANT TO LEAVE WITH THE FAMILY GOLD, CARING NOT IF OTHER NIGERIANS, INCLUDING MILLIONS OF CHILDREN STARVE AND PERISH AS A RESULT.

SELFISH GREEDY NARCISSISTS WHO WILL NEVER TELL YOU THEIR REAL OBJECTIVE.
PoliticsRe: Are Ipob Terrorists Anti Education And Anti Intelectuals? by Reflect7: 12:46am On Oct 04, 2021
IPOB are anti-intellectual. Their leader is a school dropout and hates educated people who can see through his BS.

They have no intellectual foundation for their activities. They don't recognise the rights of the individual in free speech, freedom of assembly, freedom of thought, the right to express an opinion different from that of the leaders, etc.

'Biafra' is just a banana republic waiting to happen.
PoliticsRe: My Response To A Guy Who Said ''If Not For Whites We Would Be Wearing Leaves'' by Reflect7(op): 10:47pm On Oct 03, 2021
theTranscriber:
have you heard of the loom?
where else in the whole world is aso-oke made?

blacks must always self hate!
I'm sorry for you!
Not all blacks bro...

But far too many, especially in Nigeria.

And you wonder why we are the world's largest importer of bleaching creams.

Lost people.
PoliticsRe: My Response To A Guy Who Said ''If Not For Whites We Would Be Wearing Leaves'' by Reflect7(op): 10:37pm On Oct 03, 2021
Idiko1:
Shut up your putrid mouth. Since the after the independence, the hub of textile manufacturing disappeared into the space. Anybody who heeded the advise of a foreigner to abandon things native to him/her is a basement fool.
Can someone explain what this drunken lowlife is talking about?

Actually I'm not interested. wink
PoliticsRe: My Response To A Guy Who Said ''If Not For Whites We Would Be Wearing Leaves'' by Reflect7(op): 10:35pm On Oct 03, 2021
Sicilyjoe:
But las las u were captured like money and use as a slave, over sabi, empty Brain
Who is ''u''?

I wasn't captured by anyone, or ''use as a slave''.

School dropout.

Mr ''las las''.

Is that the height of your intellect?
PoliticsRe: My Response To A Guy Who Said ''If Not For Whites We Would Be Wearing Leaves'' by Reflect7(op):
mightyhaze:
And it took the white men to discover and put all these 'facts' to paper for us.
If you spoke to the elders in your village, they would tell you even more facts. The whites are simply relating what they observed. How is that your problem?

Why did we not discover them in their own country and put their acheivements on paper like they did for us..?
WE DID.

Ever heard of the Moors?

Are you aware that black West Africans ruled many parts of Europe between the 11th and 17th centuries, bringing literacy, architecture, and civilized habits like regular bathing to the Europeans?

If you want to talk about HISTORY, we can go back really far.


More like an adult legend hyping a little baby that just said 'dada' for the first time smiley


The whites will praise your little acheivements... Don't let it get into that thick black skull grin
Don't project your inferiority complex unto us.

Imagine people that have developed sophisticated carbines, sailing ships, bicycles etc. People that have circumnavigated the world , fought several land and sea wars intra/intercontinental,several centuries before discovering you inside your dark forests,..hyping you that was still fighting wars with your bare hairy handsgrin ,still moving with thick callused feet and in some cases,porterage for elites .. and u have the spunk to say they stole technologies from you.. angry
Your problem is that you are an unread historical illiterate.

There were no bicycles and 'sophisticated carbines' in the 14th century when the Europeans first 'discovered' Benin.

Bicycles were first built in the 1860s.

So to say they had 'bicycles' when they 'discovered us in our dark forest', says you are a self-hating ignoramus with nothing upstairs.

Sailing ships?

Black Africans began seafaring, and ''circumnavigated the Earth'' thousands of years before white people did.

''In 1825, Arnold Hermann Heeren (1760-1842), Professor of History and Politics in the University of Gottengen and one of the ablest of the early exponents of the economic interpretation of history, published, in the fourth and revised edition of his great work Ideen Uber Die Politik, Den Verkehr Und Den Handel Der Vornehmsten Volker Der Alten Weld, a lengthy essay on the history, culture, and commerce of the ancient Ethiopians, which had profound influence on contemporary writers in the conclusion that it was among these ancient Black people of Africa and Asia that international trade was first developed.''

As for wars, like the rest of the world outside Europe, Africans used the weapons of war all had used for millenia. Mocking that is a sign of your debasement.
PoliticsRe: My Response To A Guy Who Said ''If Not For Whites We Would Be Wearing Leaves'' by Reflect7(op): 9:59pm On Oct 03, 2021
system21:
That's really funny. Primitive British came all the way from London to invade and conquer almighty Benin kingdom within 6 hours
First off, you haven't the slightest clue how long the invasion was for, and have produced no source for your '6 hr' claim.

Secondly, it was the gunpowder advantage that the west used to conquer the rest of the world militarily. This advantage worked for them on every continent they invaded, not just Africa.

How did they gain that advantage?

Many centuries ago, the Chinese mixed some natural ingredients to form gunpowder, which created sparks and fireworks that they used to worship their deities.

There was limited military use to create explosions to scare the enemy etc.

Then in the late 15th century, Europeans, whose continent was reeling in poverty and deprivation with very few natural resources, saw this gunpowder in their trading activities with China, and decided to use it to mass produce GUNS and WEAPONS of mass destruction, to make war against the southern hemisphere where the resources were.

For thousands of years of our human existence prior, all the races had been roughly equal militarily.

All used the traditional weapons of war - swords, lancets, arrows, bayonets, shields, etc.

So white dominance is historically speaking, a very recent phenomenon that arose 500 odd years ago through their use of gunpowder to mass produce firearms like guns and bombs.

Their possession and use of firearms changed the global equation.

They caught the entire world by surprise.

Powerful kingdoms and empires which they could previously never dare attack, from India to China to Mexico to the Zulus, all fell to the firearms of Europe.

So Benin was no exception in Europe's world rampage.
PoliticsRe: My Response To A Guy Who Said ''If Not For Whites We Would Be Wearing Leaves'' by Reflect7(op):
Isobug:
Nonsense..... What he said is true



Did you manufacture the machine you used to produce the Textile then or did it fall from the sky?
Err... we did not actually use 'machines' to make textiles anywhere on earth in the 16th/17th centuries.

Modern machines as we know them arose only in the 1800s.

What a forum of zombies.
PoliticsRe: My Response To A Guy Who Said ''If Not For Whites We Would Be Wearing Leaves'' by Reflect7(op):
Sicilyjoe:
Poster stop that nonsense, with out white u will be wearing leaves
Here is a drawing of 15th century Benin City, roughly 300 years before colonialism.

Who do you see wearing leaves?

https://blog.britishmuseum.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/Dapper-image-crop-version-2.jpg


export KO import ni, after all that u were ship like monkeys to overseas as a slave
High school dropout alert.

All the information you read (assuming you could understand it) went in through one ear and out the other.

Dumb and dumber.

YES we did actually engage in exports and international trade prior to colonialism, you brainwashed dunce who thinks he is a 'monkey'.

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Excerpt:

IN THE 17th CENTURY, PORTUGAL BANNED THE IMPORTATION OF NIGERIAN MANUFACTURED SOAP, TO PROTECT HER LOCAL INDUSTRIES

This story is a stunning opposite of the type of news we hear today, where it is African countries who try to ban imports of foreign manufactured goods to protect their local industries.

In the 17th century, soap was manufactured in Nigeria on an industrial scale, and exported across the world, especially to Europe, as people on that continent, emerging from their Dark Ages and into the Renaissance, slowly came to realise the importance of bathing and washing.

This led to very high demand for imported manufactured soap and soap products, since Portugal lacked any meaningful soap manufacturing industry, and lacked the technical know-how to manufacture this important product.

They turned to the people of present day NIGERIA, to provide them with this much needed manufactured product, as the industry was flourishing in that part of the world.

This trade dominance by Nigeria eventually became such a threat to the Portuguese economy that the Portuguese leaders place an outright BAN on Nigerian and West African manufactured soap products in order to encourage local production, protect her local industries, and reduce unemployment in Portugal.

According to researchers:

''The forest people of Nigeria are believed to have developed the soap production industry. Soap production was on such a large scale in the 17th century that Portugal had to ban the importation of West African soap in order to protect their soap-boiling industry.''

The indigenous techniques in soap making were produced in several communities through the use of materials such as ashes, palm oil, cocoa pods and water. It was an industry worked mainly by women. In addition, black soap was believed to be of high medicinal value especially among the Yoruba and Igbo communities.''


Source - AN OVERVIEW OF INDIGENOUS INDUSTRIES IN NIGERIA, by Victor Eshameh, Gifted Minds Writers Firm, Research Dept, 2016
PoliticsRe: My Response To A Guy Who Said ''If Not For Whites We Would Be Wearing Leaves'' by Reflect7(op): 8:23pm On Oct 03, 2021
SweetVibe:
You talk too much
Go and watch BB Naija. This is not for you.
PoliticsRe: My Response To A Guy Who Said ''If Not For Whites We Would Be Wearing Leaves'' by Reflect7(op): 8:15pm On Oct 03, 2021
OfficialAPCNig:
Historical source kee you there.

You guys keep repeating the same lies. Bini rampart was never anywhere near Great Walls of China.
If you weren't a bumbling dunce with the faculties of a gnat, you would realise that a simple research study showing the Benin Wall was 4 times longer than the Great Wall of China, would obviously have involved taking measurements that concluded same.

And to counter that by saying the Benin wall was ''not anywhere near'' the Great China Wall?

Pray, what does ''anywhere near'' mean exactly?

Are you saying it wasn't 4 times longer?

Are you disputing the research, and if so, based on what counter-study?

My goodness.

Nri bronze is 200 years olders than Bini bronze and 100 years older than Ife..
What has this drivel got to do with the topic?

Utterly irrelevant, in addition to being puerile claims pulled out of Uranus.

Take your ''Igbo versus everyone else'' mindset and return to your spare parts shop where you really belong.
PoliticsRe: My Response To A Guy Who Said ''If Not For Whites We Would Be Wearing Leaves'' by Reflect7(op): 8:02pm On Oct 03, 2021
OfficialAPCNig:
You are just deceiving yourself with lies.

Bini rampart doesn't come anywhere near the great wall of China, unless you don't understand how to read numbers.

The great walls are older and bigger. So what makes Bini ramparts 4 times bigger than it?
Actually, the scholarly research I posted stated that the Benin Wall was ''4 times longer than the Great Wall of China.''

Not ''older''.

Not ''bigger'' (whatever 'bigger' means).

This basic error in comprehension betrays your intellectual ineptitude.

I am done with you, and will not discuss your other 'points'.

You are a high school dropout.

Not that that is a bad thing in itself, if you had some humility and willingness to learn.

This thread is for educated people, not pompous neophytes.
PoliticsRe: My Response To A Guy Who Said ''If Not For Whites We Would Be Wearing Leaves'' by Reflect7(op): 7:57pm On Oct 03, 2021
SweetVibe:
You ended up disgracing yourself...shame
In what way?

You must be taken in by these ignorant school dropouts angry that it wasn't their ethnicity being credited with glory.
PoliticsRe: 30 Questions IPOB Must Answer. by Reflect7: 10:28pm On Oct 02, 2021
Fejoku:
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Dumb alamajiri.
Dumb school dropout who thinks I'm an almajiri because I'm schooling his dumbass.
PoliticsRe: Sani Bello: Boko Haram Have Taken Control Of Shiroro LGA, Recruiting villagers by Reflect7: 9:31pm On Oct 02, 2021
colorsofrainbow:
No..this is not the problem of APC miscreants but just type ipob/ESN and boom both online fulani terrorists and APC miscreants will flood in like almajiris.

They always feel threatened by the name ipob/ESN simply because na ipob wan remove the Southern feeding bottle wey dey their mouth grin
The milk in the feeding bottle is NOT from Igboland, so shut up. THIEF.

Even YOU are being fed the same milk from the feeding bottle of Niger Delta oil, via your state's monthly allocation from Abuja.

Dependent mocking other dependents for being dependent.

By the way, it is northerners feeding you, not the other way round.

That is why there are millions of your people in their land and very few of them in yours.
PoliticsRe: Chukwuma Soludo: Anambra Loses ₦19.6 Billion A Day Due To Sit-At-Home by Reflect7: 9:13pm On Oct 02, 2021
Idiko1:
I have no ears for this jackass until he tells me how much amount of money Anambra State looses every Sunday when the markets are closed.
Sunday is a work-free day of rest all over the world my friend.

That's a silly excuse for shutting down your economy.

You Igbos are supposed to be really smart.

Smart people don't shut down their economy for anybody or for any reason.

The money must be flowing before you can do anything, even agitate.

Or will you agitate with empty stomach?

As former US president Bill Clinton famously said, ''It's the economy, stupid.''

Here's a little secret. Your 'enemies', be it Fulanis or whomever, actually want to see many more sit-at-homes ordered by IPOB. smiley
PoliticsRe: 30 Questions IPOB Must Answer. by Reflect7: 8:35pm On Oct 02, 2021
Fejoku:
[s][/s]
Animal. Cancelling his words doesn't mean we can't read them.

Satan.

How many Igbos have you killed today?
PoliticsRe: 30 Questions IPOB Must Answer. by Reflect7: 8:33pm On Oct 02, 2021
udele1:
When i say IPOB and their Biafra is a fraud, many people find it hard to believe.

They wonder how so many Igbo's will be involved if it is a fraud. Some will tell you that there also educated Igbo's part of it, so it can't be a fraud.

But a huge population of Nigerians fell for MMM. Bankers, Doctors, police, army, even native doctors. All fell for the MMM Ponzi scheme.

Like any organised fraud, there are insiders. The ones that benefit financially. Then they go out to fool the rest of the people to invest. They pretend to be investors too.

Even the fraud in churches, there are the insiders. They arrange people for fake testimonies and miracles.

Dont forget that the highest fraud that ever occured in the history of advance fee fraud (419 ) in Nigeria, was carried out by Igbo's. Google the emmanuel Udeh airport fraud, 120 billion naira. Nobody has broken that record till date.

They have mixed Biafran sentiments with religion and allowed igbo to inhale. Just like hard drugs, it has messed with the thinking of igbos.

Just like the mugu or maga caught in the net of fraudsters, there is nothing you can tell them to convince them that the payment they are about to make is for a scam.

Alot of Nigerians have fallen for the local scam of washing money. People are still falling for it today. Once the victim is going to bring money for that chemical, there is nothing you can tell them to convince them.

Igbo's are in that net now. Alot of people who never did well both home and abroad, have discovered the Biafran oil well.

The Igbo's are unable to question the agitation. Once any igboman tries to convince the gullible ones, those benefiting from the scam, incite them against those trying to help them. They call them Sabo and are asked to kill them.

The simple question the beneficiary of the fraud hate to hear are;

1) What freedom are Igbo's fighting for?

2) Has anyone stopped any igboman from building factories, schools, hospitals and donating to Igbo's. To provide employment for igbo youths, provide healthcare and quality education for free or at subsidised rate.

3) Why is it easier for IPOB to raise funds to give igbo youths guns and drugs to go and die, than to build factories that create jobs?

4) How come since the formation of ESN, only Igbo's have been killed?

5) If truly IPOB was interested in the protection of Igbo's, why do they feel threatened when any other security outfit is setup?

6) Why was the agitation silent under GEJ?

7) What was the content of the agreement that was signed, sealed and delivered by PDP?

cool Why did kanu reject the Biafra with 5 igbo states as he claimed?

9) Why are only Igbo's killed for Biafra, if Niger Delta must be part of it?

10) How come No member of Kanu's family is part of ESN?

11) How come UGM kill Igbo's in the police, but dont touch Kanu's sister that is also in the police?

12) How can an organisation that claims to be protecting igbos, release criminals from prison?

13) How come it is only kanu and sophia kanu that are directors in IPOB? Fighting for a Biafra that includes SS?

14) How come all the commanders of ESN Killed are Igbos?

15) Why is the shutdown and sit at home only is igboland, when SS is part of Biafra?

16) Why are they protesting and shutting down for kanu? Calling the best lawyers for kanu? What about does who he led to their death and those arrested, dont they deserve lawyers, protest etc?

17) How come kanu knew the military were coming to his house and escaped without telling his followers there to escape?

18) How come Orji Uzo Kalu knew when Kanu left Nigeria, but his followers were still protesting for his release?

19) How come kanu told them buhari is dead, but writting to biden not to sell arms to Buhari?

20) How did Biafra move from Israel, to US to Ambazonia?

21) How come the insiders in IPOB are fighting for money, while telling the outsiders to shutdown their source of livelihood till kanu is released?

22) What was kanu doing before the Biafra Agitation?

23) How come kanu who owns a registered business in his name, is being paid to get freedom for the entire igboland and SS.?

24) Can a company in Nigeria be paid to divide America or get freeeom for catalonia or separate UK from EU?

25) If The agitation is feeding kanu and his family, will they want Biafra to come and end the fubding? If not for the money involved in political positions in Nigeria, would anyone kill to become governor or president?

26) If all Igbo's are in support of kanu, why the threatens and killing of Igbo's, calling them SABO?

27) Where is the map of the proposed Biafra?

28) How will it be run? If you fail to plan, you plan to fail?

29) How come the leader of Biafra was arrested in Kenya, for 8 days no information, no video, No Picture,
no alarm?

30) If Britain is the Enemy of Biafra, and a Friend of Nigeria, how come kanu went to become a citizen or the Enemy?


I don't have a problem with the scam, afterall man must chop.

But when the lives of several igbo youths have to be sacrificed for the business to grow, it becomes a problem.

When the economy of Igboland has to be destroyed for the business to grow, it becomes a problem.

This is the reason why Uche Mefor had to step aside, because he would not be enjoying 4000 pounds monthly, sacrificing igbo youths.

These people have introduced terrorism in igboland the same way it was introduced in the north. While the north used it for politics, kanu and his team are using it for money.

But at the end of the day, no matter the reason for radicalism, it always consumes the land. It has consumed the north today, and in no distant time, it will consume the east.

The dangerous thing about terrorism is that, it is like a wild fire. Before you know it, it burns everything. People who setup the fire cant control it.

Kanu has british passport, which will be an escape route for him. But we Igbo's, who this fire of terrorism will burn, have no place to run to .

They have started the beheading trend and it is celebrated. Soon, everyone will be sabo in igboland and no head will be left to cut.

This fire kanu is setting up in igboland, he cant even put it off.

Remember the fire setup by the little girl in the supermarket, it took the intervention of external forces to put it off. You see how much damage that little fire did, i hope Igbo's dont count their losses soon.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cOOesMeijgg
Highly intelligent write-up and very potent questions raised.

The Igbo masses are just pawns in these criminals' games.

That is why IPOB kills them like flies, without a second thought.

They matter NOTHING in reality to IPOB, just as they mattered NOTHING to Ojukwu and his henchmen.

2 million, 3 million, or 10 million Igbos killed in war means nothing to them, insofar as they can make money either through the fraudulent agitation as explained by the writer, or by the looting of a potential Biafra's oil fields.

None of this has anything to do with liberating the Igbo people from anything.

If anything, a 'Biafra' will imprison Igbos in a vicious banana republic dictatorship led by bloodthirsty thugs.
PoliticsRe: The North Should Focus On Civilising And Educating Their People Not Leadership by Reflect7:
lildush:
The people of the northern part of nigeria. Should forget about leading this country for now. They should focus on civilising and educating their people. This is the 21 century for Gods sake. We can't afford to have uncivilised in exposed and uneducated people rule nigeria. We have been left behind. We were once the gaint of Africa. Now reduced to nothing due to incompetent and clueless leaders we have had in the past mostly from the north. These people practice polygamy like it increases their account balance. Most them Marry 4 wives. Give birth to an average of 25 to 40 children they can't feed, train or educate. These children repeat the same process tripling their population in a short period of time. Becoming a menace to the society. The most annoying reality is this. These uncivilised illiterates in the north have out numbered the civilised and educated in the country. We're are we headed with this type of development? People are getting it right in other countries. We are progressing in reverse order. The northern elders should call their people to order. To stop marrying 4 wives and giving birth to children they can't cater for.. we need to start getting things right. Am sorry to say. The north is the problem of nigeria. Take it or leave it. Am not hating but giving you points. After a critical observion. May God help us. Amen.
Shut up and go get a job, you bigot.

Try to civilise your own people currently slaughtering each other on the streets of the south east.

Narcissistic buffoon that thinks he is 'civilized'.

Does your terrorist organisation IPOB and its leader understand what DEMOCRACY means?

What is their response to those who hold different views from them?

Is it not assassination?

That is civilization in your dumb head, abi?

GET THIS: As at today, a Nigeria ruled by northerners is 100,000 times preferable to a Biafra ruled by IPOB and Kanu.

See how we all abuse the president daily here.

Call him all sorts of names.

Has anybody come to arrest or kill us? NO.

Can we do that in your little, tribal banana republic dotcom dictatorship?

Idiatt.

Mr civilized.
PoliticsRe: Twitter Cracks Down On Nigerians Using Bloodied Flag To Mark EndSARS Anniversary by Reflect7: 3:27pm On Oct 02, 2021
CaptainAyub:
This type of thing is where you see Buhari's govt work very hard.
But ordinary potable water,they won't provide.
SHUT UP. DID YOU FATHER JONATHAN PROVIDE ''ORDINARY POTABLE WATER'' OR WAS IT LOOTING SPREE?
PoliticsRe: Nigeria At 61: Colonial Masters Plundered Our Resources – Abdulsalami Abubakar by Reflect7: 12:05am On Oct 02, 2021
JOemmy:
The same abubakar stole over $6b within just 9 months when he was military head of state.
The British stole $30 TRILLION MINIMUM in today's money, in their 80 year rule of Nigeria.

Someone came and seized your entire house, and you ignored him to be chasing a thief that stole a loaf of bread from the house.
PoliticsRe: My Response To A Guy Who Said ''If Not For Whites We Would Be Wearing Leaves'' by Reflect7(op): 11:46pm On Oct 01, 2021
VEHINTOLAR:
Gibberish ! This is nothing but an attempt to glorify your Bini tribe and make them look bigger than they're actually ! Unfortunately for you, anyone can easily see through your hypocrisy here. Your trash,really,wasn't about showcasing the ingenuity of Africans as a race and why they're not inferior to the White but a failed attempt at glorifying your Bini tribe .

Benin was never the capital of southern Nigeria at any point in history and there is no documentary evidence to that effect. Do you think anybody will buy this nonsense from you ? You these Bini or whatever must really think that others don't know their histories, right ?

Now,let me burst your bubble ! Whatever civilization Bini people could lay claim to today actually came from the Yoruba people and that's traceable to Oranmiyan,a Prince from Ile Ife who became the first Oba of Benin.

So,Mr Teacher,don't teach us nonsense here,okay ?
I've so had it up to here with this primitive mentality you people display here.

I am not from Benin for starters.

You have assumed I am from there simply because I am writing about its history.

I mean, your mentality is so low and wretched.

YES, THERE ARE, AND WILL ALWAYS BE 'detribalised' Nigerians like myself who have no problem with writing glowingly about other ethnic groups and regions apart from our own.

We are not all selfish, disgusting ethnic bigots and chauvinists.

I wrote earlier that Benin City was ''essentially'' the capital of southern Nigeria.

Not 'officially', but 'essentially', meaning 'for all intents and purposes'.

And it is not even closely debatable, as Benin City was the biggest and most famous city by an absolute mile in the entire region.

Like I said. This thread is for enlightened people and those willing to learn their precolonial history as Nigerians/Africans.

It is not for ethnic bigots.

If you are here for superiority contests of Igbo versus Edo versus Yoruba etc, kindly get lost.
PoliticsRe: My Response To A Guy Who Said ''If Not For Whites We Would Be Wearing Leaves'' by Reflect7(op): 10:57pm On Oct 01, 2021
dettolgel:
After calling others ignorant and misinformed, you then went ahead to put up two links from guardian news paper as evidence for all the so called facts. grin grin
The UK Guardian newspaper, ie your former colonial 'master', is relating to you the truth about your history, which he hid from you before, after destroying your education system, and installing his own, which taught you you were with Tarzan in the jungle.

He's telling you the real truth now, so shut up, read, and learn.


https://www.theguardian.com/cities/2016/mar/18/story-of-cities-5-benin-city-edo-nigeria-mighty-medieval-capital-lost-without-trace
PoliticsRe: My Response To A Guy Who Said ''If Not For Whites We Would Be Wearing Leaves'' by Reflect7(op): 10:54pm On Oct 01, 2021
Solofresh2:
That guy must be a standard illiterate.
Do the whites wear our native attires like,Ankara and so on?
I guess he thinks the whites invaded us and saw us ''wearing leaves'', and out of pity, went back home to design, and sew ankara, iro and buba, obiagu, and danshiki for us to be wearing.

Our people are generally lost.

We need serious re-orientation as a people or we are going nowhere.
PoliticsRe: My Response To A Guy Who Said ''If Not For Whites We Would Be Wearing Leaves'' by Reflect7(op):
Jameszinchenkov:
You are so Fucking daft, Azin your Surname suppose be daftness or mumu.
You did not even get to contextualize what the guy was trying to explain.
You are here calling him an ignorant person while it is you that is boorish, Ill humored and insensitive
Bastard
Another angry, ignorant thug from the East. Not interested. Bye.

This thread is for enlightened people, and those keen to learn their precolonial history.
PoliticsRe: My Response To A Guy Who Said ''If Not For Whites We Would Be Wearing Leaves'' by Reflect7(op): 10:13pm On Oct 01, 2021
SarkinYarki:
Apart from.political sycophancy ,please name one thing you have ever created
12 Amazing African Inventions That Changed The World



1 Speech

The first words by humans were spoken by Africans.

''Using statistical methods to estimate the time required to achieve the current spread and diversity in modern languages today, Johanna Nichols — a linguist at the University of California, Berkeley — argues that vocal language must have arisen in our species at least 100,000 years ago. Using phonemic diversity, a more recent analysis offers directly linguistic support for a similar date. Estimates of this kind are independently supported by genetic, archaeological, palaeontological and much other evidence suggesting that language probably emerged somewhere in sub-Saharan Africa during the Middle Stone Age, roughly contemporaneous with the speciation of Homo sapiens.''


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Origin_of_language




2 Writing


In 1999, Archaeology Magazine reported that the earliest Egyptian hieroglyphs date back to 3400 BCE which "...challenge the commonly held belief that early logographs, pictographic symbols representing a specific place, object, or quantity, first evolved into more complex phonetic symbols in Mesopotamia."

Who were these original Egyptians?

The Greek historian Herodotus.. described the Colchians of the Black Sea shores as "Egyptians by race" and pointed out they had "black skins and kinky hair."

Apollodorus, the Greek philosopher, described Egypt as "the country of the black-footed ones" and the Latin historian Ammianus Marcellinus said "the men of Egypt are mostly brown or black with a skinny desiccated look."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/worldservice/specials/1624_story_of_africa/page88.shtml

In his book 'Egypt', British scholar Sir E.A. Wallis Budge says: "The prehistoric native of Egypt, both in the old and in the new Stone Ages, was African and there is every reason for saying that the earliest settlers came from the South." He further states: "There are many things in the manners and customs and religions of the historic Egyptians that suggests that the original home of their prehistoric ancestors was in a country in the neighborhood of Uganda and Punt [present day Somalia]."

''Greek historian Diodorus Siculus devoted an entire chapter of his world history, the Bibliotheke Historica, or Library of History (Book 3), to the Kushites ["Aithiopians"] of Meroe. Here he repeats the story of their great piety, their high favor with the gods, and adds the fascinating legend that they were.. the founders of Egyptian civilization, invented writing, and had given the Egyptians their religion and culture.''

(1st century B.C., Diodorus Siculus of Sicily, Greek historian and contemporary of Caesar Augustus, Universal History Book III. 2. 4-3. 3)

http://wysinger.homestead.com/blackegypt101.html

To summarise:

"Ancient Egypt was a Negro civilisation. The history of Black Africa will remain suspended in the air and cannot be written correctly until African historians connect it with the history of Egypt. The African historian who evades the problem of Egypt is neither modest nor objective nor unruffled. He is ignorant, cowardly and neurotic. The ancient Egyptians were Negroes. The moral fruit of their civilisation is to be counted among the assets of the Black world."

- Cheikh Anta Diop, The African Origin of Civilisation.



3 Medicine

''The earliest known surgery was performed in Egypt around 2750 BC.... The Ebers papyrus (1550 BC) is full of incantations and foul applications meant to turn away disease-causing demons, and also includes 877 prescriptions. It may also contain the earliest documented awareness of tumors..

Homer (800 BC) remarked in the Odyssey: "In Egypt, the men are more skilled in medicine than any of human kind" and "the Egyptians were skilled in medicine more than any other art". The Greek historian Herodotus visited Egypt around 440 BC and wrote extensively of his observations of their medicinal practices. Pliny the Elder also wrote favourably of them in historical review. Hippocrates (the 'father of medicine'), Herophilos, Erasistratus and later Galen studied at the temple of Amenhotep, and acknowledged the contribution of ancient Egyptian medicine to Greek medicine.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_Egyptian_medicine



4 Architecture

The African empire of Egypt developed a vast array of diverse structures and great architectural monuments along the Nile, among the largest and most famous of which are the Great Pyramid of Giza and the Great Sphinx of Giza

The pyramids, which were built in the Fourth Dynasty, testify to the power of the pharaonic religion and state. They were built to serve both as grave sites and also as a way to make their names last forever. The size and simple design show the high skill level of Egyptian design and engineering on a large scale. The Great Pyramid of Giza, which was probably completed c. 2580 BC, is the oldest and largest of the pyramids, and is the only surviving monument of the Seven Wonders of the Ancient World. The pyramid of Khafre is believed to have been completed around 2532 BC, at the end of Khafre's reign.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_Egyptian_architecture



5 Mathematics

The invention of mathematics is placed firmly in African PRE-HISTORY.

''The oldest known possibly mathematical object is the Lebombo bone, discovered in the Lebombo mountains of Swaziland and dated to approximately 35,000 BC. It consists of 29 distinct notches cut into a baboon's fibula. Also prehistoric artifacts discovered in Africa and France, dated between 35,000 and 20,000 years old [respectively], suggest early attempts to quantify time.

The Ishango bone, found near the headwaters of the Nile river (northeastern Congo), may be as much as 20,000 years old and consists of a series of tally marks carved in three columns running the length of the bone. Common interpretations are that the Ishango bone shows either the earliest known demonstration of sequences of prime numbers or a six month lunar calendar.

Also, Predynastic Egyptians of the 5th millennium BC pictorially represented geometric designs.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_mathematics#Prehistoric_mathematics

''Numeral systems have been many and diverse, with the first known written numerals created by Egyptians in Middle Kingdom texts such as the Rhind Mathematical Papyrus.

The earliest uses of mathematics were in trading, land measurement, painting and weaving patterns and the recording of time. More complex mathematics did not appear until around 3000 BC, when the Egyptians and Babylonians began using arithmetic, algebra and geometry for taxation and other financial calculations, for building and construction, and for astronomy''

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mathematics



6 Mining of minerals

The oldest known mine on archaeological record is the "Lion Cave" in Swaziland, which radiocarbon dating shows to be about 43,000 years old. Much later on, the Africans of Egypt mined malachite....Quarries for turquoise and copper were also found at "Wadi Hamamat, Tura, Aswan and various other Nubian sites"..The gold mines of Nubia were among the largest and most extensive in the world, and are described by the Greek author Diodorus Siculus. He mentions that fire-setting was one method used to break down the hard rock holding the gold. One of the complexes is shown in one of earliest known maps. They crushed the ore and ground it to a fine powder before washing the powder for the gold dust.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mining#Prehistoric_mining



7 Iron Smelting

Iron smelting is a form of extractive metallurgy; its main use is to produce a metal from its ore. This includes production of silver, iron, copper and other base metals from their ores. Smelting uses heat and a chemical reducing agent to decompose the ore, driving off other elements as gasses or slag and leaving just the metal behind.

Early iron smelting:

''Where and how iron smelting was discovered is widely debated, and remains uncertain due to the significant lack of production finds.. [but] there is a further possibility of iron smelting and working in West Africa by 1200 BC. In addition, very early instances of carbon steel were found to be in production around 2000 years before the present in northwest Tanzania, based on complex preheating principles. These discoveries are significant for the history of metallurgy.''

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smelting


8 Religion

Greek historian Diodorus Siculus. From his own statements we learn that he traveled in Egypt around 60 BC. His travels in Egypt probably took him as far south as the first Cataract. He wrote about the black races of inner Africa whom he called ''Ethiopians'', dwelling south of Egypt.

"They further write that it was among them that people were first taught to honor the gods and offer sacrifices and arrange processions and festivals and perform other things by which people honor the divine. For this reason their piety is famous among all men, and the sacrifices among the Ethiopians are believed to be particularly pleasing to the divinity."


9 Laws

Stephanus of Byzantium, who is said to represent the opinions of the most ancient Greeks, says:

"Ethiopia was the first established country on the earth, and the Ethiopians were the first who introduced the worship of the Gods and who established laws."

Quoted by John D. Baldwin, Prehistoric Nations, p. 62.



10 International Trade


In 1825, Arnold Hermann Heeren (1760-1842), Professor of History and Politics in the University of Gottengen and one of the ablest of the early exponents of the economic interpretation of history, published, in the fourth and revised edition of his great work Ideen Uber Die Politik, Den Verkehr Und Den Handel Der Vornehmsten Volker Der Alten Weld, a lengthy essay on the history, culture, and commerce of the ancient Ethiopians, which had profound influence on contemporary writers in the conclusion that it was among these ancient Black people of Africa and Asia that international trade was first developed.

He wrote that as a by-product of these international contacts there was an exchange of ideas and cultural practices that laid the foundations of the earliest civilizations of the ancient world. Heeren in his researches says:

"From the remotest times to the present, the Ethiopians (ancient name for blacks south of the Sahara) have been one of the most celebrated, and yet the most mysterious of nations. In the earliest traditions of nearly all the..civilized nations of antiquity, the name of this distant people is found.

..The annals of the Egyptian priests are full of them, and the nations of inner Asia, on the Euphrates and Tigris, have interwoven the fictions of the Ethiopians with their traditions of the wars and conquests of their heroes; and, at a period equally remote, they glimmer in Greek mythology. When the Greeks scarcely knew Italy and Sicily by name, the Ethiopians were celebrated in the verses of their poets, and when the faint gleam of tradition and fable gives way to the clear light of history, the lustre of the Ethiopians is not diminished. They still continue to be the objects of curiosity and admiration, and the pen of clear-sighted, cautious historians places them in the highest rank of knowledge and civilization."

https://www.jstor.org/stable/3025163?seq=2#metadata_info_tab_contents


11 Philosophy

Philosophy is the study of general and fundamental problems, such as those connected with reality, existence, knowledge, values, reason, mind, and language. Philosophy is distinguished from other ways of addressing such problems by its critical, generally systematic approach and its reliance on rational argument.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philosophy#Ancient_philosophy

Philosophy in Africa has a rich and varied history, dating from pre-dynastic Egypt, continuing through the birth of Christianity and Islam. Arguably central to the ancients was the conception of "ma'at", which roughly translated refers to "justice", "truth", or simply "that which is right". One of the earliest works of political philosophy was the Maxims of Ptah-Hotep, which were taught to Egyptian schoolboys for centuries...Ancient Egyptian philosophers made extremely important contributions to Hellenistic philosophy, Christian philosophy, and Islamic philosophy.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/African_philosophy

''Ancient Egyptian philosophy has been credited by the ancient Greeks as being the beginning of philosophy''.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_Egyptian_philosophy


12 Art

The oldest art objects in the world—a series of tiny, drilled snail shells about 75,000 years old—were discovered in a South African cave.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Art
PoliticsRe: My Response To A Guy Who Said ''If Not For Whites We Would Be Wearing Leaves'' by Reflect7(op): 10:08pm On Oct 01, 2021
BKayy:
You people are nothing but a village.

The British glorified those that made it easy to be conquered.

Wasn't it 6hrs? It took 6hrs to totally bring the whole of the Bini so called empire under her imperial majesty
I'm no longer responding to your garbage.

You are a semi-literate high school dropout.

Go and study WAEC.

You are not even a secondary school graduate.

You are not qualified for this debate.

Kindly respect yourself and get lost.
PoliticsRe: My Response To A Guy Who Said ''If Not For Whites We Would Be Wearing Leaves'' by Reflect7(op):
BKayy:
You see why I said that you are the same with the guy.
Please explain to us why there are communities with - Igbo attached to it at the four corners of Igboland.

Igbo-Akiri towards the border with Ẹdo people
Igbo ịdu towards the border with Ekoi
Odenigbo towards border with Idoma
Ụmụ Igbo towards the border with Ogoni
Then Amaigbo at the center of Igboland.

You see, unlike you people ancient Igbo people are philosophers and knew that a day like this will come thats why they did all these.
Unlike you people, they
-Developed their calendar system
-Direct Republican system (most advanced)
-Written constitution
-Counting
-Writing
-Metal smiting
Etc

Pay Attention here "Of all the black groups, the white avoided writing much about Igbo people because there they met what disapproves with their belief of black people. They saw advanced systems most notably the direct Republic which supercedes that of Athens"
You know what, I'm done with you. You're an ethnic bigot. You are not here to contribute anything but bigotry, rivalry, and hatred for other ethnIcities as the whites taught you to do.

Have you studied Benin history to know if they had a calendar, metal smithing, and mathematics, which you called ''counting''?

I mean, your ignorance stinks.

Here was an empire that you've just read accounts about above, of their great accomplishments, and in all that you read, it did not occur to your thick skull that those people surely knew how to COUNT?

Do Benin people not have words for numbers in their language like you do?

How can a people who exchanged ambassadors with Portugal as early as the 1490s, engaged in international trade, built cities according to fractal design, and built the world's largest man-made structure, not know how to count?

I'm done with you. Just get lost from here.
PoliticsRe: My Response To A Guy Who Said ''If Not For Whites We Would Be Wearing Leaves'' by Reflect7(op): 9:34pm On Oct 01, 2021
BKayy:
You are still doing exactly the same thing you accused the "we will be wearing leaves" dude of. That is relying on the same twisted narrative he got his information from.
As a reasonable person, you should be the one to research like we did. Look for links then you can have a glimpse of the truth.
Minus Warrant Chief system, 98% of the Ndigbo won't know you people
First of all, let me decolonise your thinking a bit.

In this precolonial era under discussion, there was no such thing as ''Ndigbo''.

What we had were Igbo-speaking peoples.

There were no 'Yorubas'.

What we had were Yoruba-speaking peoples.

There were no 'Hausas'.

Just Hausa-speaking peoples.

What tied people together in precolonial Nigeria was not the language they spoke, but their lineage and ancestry.

An Aro man did not consider himself brothers with an Owerri man.

An Ekiti man did not consider himself of the same 'ethnic group' as an Ijebu man.

It was the COLONIALISTS who created language-based 'ethnic groups' in order to create large blocs of division that would pitch one group of natives against the other, and create ethnic rivalry, thus preventing their unification to drive away the colonialists.

So at this period under discussion, they were no ''Igbos'' as a group unified in anything.

So it makes no sense for you to claim that ''Igbos did not know Benin''.

SOME Igbo-speaking people would definitely have known about Benin.

There is no reason to think they were all stuck in their homelands and never travelled or had visitors, or engaged in trade.
PoliticsRe: My Response To A Guy Who Said ''If Not For Whites We Would Be Wearing Leaves'' by Reflect7(op): 9:21pm On Oct 01, 2021
''...in the palaces, pillars were covered with bronze plaques illustrating the victories and deeds of former kings and nobles.''

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/YJIkhMi_6PU/maxresdefault.jpg

''At the height of its greatness in the 12th century – well before the start of the European Renaissance – the kings and nobles of Benin City patronised craftsmen and lavished them with gifts and wealth, in return for their depiction of the kings’ and dignitaries’ great exploits in intricate bronze sculptures.

“These works from Benin are equal to the very finest examples of European casting technique,” wrote Professor Felix von Luschan, formerly of the Berlin Ethnological Museum. “Benvenuto Celini could not have cast them better, nor could anyone else before or after him. Technically, these bronzes represent the very highest possible achievement.”''

https://www.theguardian.com/cities/2016/mar/18/story-of-cities-5-benin-city-edo-nigeria-mighty-medieval-capital-lost-without-trace

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