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Empiree:
Then your criticism of Christians is pretty much irrelevant. How about Christians who don't believe in Divinity of Jesus?. Are they any less Christians or "Disciples of Jesus" as you called yourself?. You have to understand that they too have evidence that Jesus did not ascribe Divinity to himself just as you also claim Christians practice what Jesus didn't say. Don't you see you are confused?

Are you saying DIVINITY-Jesus equal to God. If that is what you mean,then i don't believe in DIVINITY. Jesus never said He was God, He clearly said what i see the Father do,i do. The Father sent Him. He also said He is the son of God and not God

Empiree:
Then your criticism of Christians is pretty much irrelevant. How about Christians who don't believe in Divinity of Jesus?. Are they any less Christians or "Disciples of Jesus" as you called yourself?. You have to understand that they too have evidence that Jesus did not ascribe Divinity to himself just as you also claim Christians practice what Jesus didn't say. Don't you see you are confused?

To be a disciple of Jesus you have to follow and obey Jesus words. According to John 8:31-32,His disciples continue only in His words because that is the only condition to be His disciple.I believe Jesus talked about everything you need to know. He said all that the Father has given to me, I have given it unto His disciples. John 17. So to live everyday,you have to look into the gospels(Matthew,mark,Luke and John) with the help of the Holy ghost. Anything Jesus never said,as His disciples we don't believe. Jesus said the voice of the stranger,they wont follow.

Empiree:
Then your criticism of Christians is pretty much irrelevant. How about Christians who don't believe in Divinity of Jesus?. Are they any less Christians or "Disciples of Jesus" as you called yourself?. You have to understand that they too have evidence that Jesus did not ascribe Divinity to himself just as you also claim Christians practice what Jesus didn't say. Don't you see you are confused?

Actually i don't get the "divinity" you are referring to. I thought you are talking about Jesus being divine(i.e Jesus came from God) that is why i said i believe in divinity.

Matthew 23:9. Jesus said call no man Father on earth;for one is your Father who is in heaven. There is no man on earth that can be called father or given the authority of a father.
Not even your biological Father,neither your Spiritual father,nor your godfather e.t.c
Jesus led as an example. He never called Joseph His father,He only ascribed fatherhood only to God. So He asked His disciples to call no man father on earth. If you are His disciple,you have to admit it

cckris:
The writer NO LONGER believes anything about Jesus.
The writer's Waterloo is in PRESUMING, as all anti-Christs have been PRESUMING, right from the COUNCIL OF NICAEA, that Christians generally don't understand the manifestation of Christ, from Genesis to Revelation. Until ATHANASIUS begins his IRREFUTABLE EXEGESIS. And there're MILLIONS of Athanasiuses around the world today, in different languages and cultures. JESUS CHRIST IS LORD.

I believe Jesus came from God. He was sent to the world to let His kingdom reign. John 8:31-32. I believe only in the words of Jesus(Matthew,Mark,Luke and John only because He only is the Truth. I rather stay with the Truth than follow any other man.

cckris:
The writer NO LONGER believes anything about Jesus.
The writer's Waterloo is in PRESUMING, as all anti-Christs have been PRESUMING, right from the COUNCIL OF NICAEA, that Christians generally don't understand the manifestation of Christ, from Genesis to Revelation. Until ATHANASIUS begins his IRREFUTABLE EXEGESIS. And there're MILLIONS of Athanasiuses around the world today, in different languages and cultures. JESUS CHRIST IS LORD.

Pls let me you guys. I am a disciple of Jesus,i believe in Jesus. I follow His teachings and accepts it as a little child.

Empiree:
I understand you were once a christian who turned "disciple of Jesus" meaning you are no longer part of mainstream Christianity. However, as a "disciple of Jesus" do you believe in Divinity and Sonship of Jesus?

I believe in the both,i mean i believe in divinity and sonship of Jesus

Christianity, I call it modern Judaism that believe Jesus is the messiah

the bible is not the word of God

what Jesus never said

Things Jesus never said nor taught

Things Jesus never said

Hmmm! I will follow Jesus and will use all means to witness about God's love to mankind. I will also reveal lies of Christianity

Any prove to show my assumption was not correct?

If you are actually born again,your fatherhood and family changes,it is a truth men don't want to accept. Matt 10:34-39 ,Luke 14:26 is actually backing the point of change in family. He even asked you to forsake those who were your family before you got born again.

As a disciple of Jesus,i believe only in his words(as recorded in Matthew,Mark,Luke and John) not in the book of revelation.

My explanation of John 3 is the truth. Jesus talk about being born of the Spirit

Did you know Jesus revised the laws and the prophets.

Which statement will you believe,is it what is said about the person or what the person says about Himself and we know Jesus can not lie because He is the truth. What He said about Himself is the only truth. He said He gave His life has ransom and not for sacrifice. Believe it or leave it.
Jesus' death never served the purpose of ransom and sacrifice. He only gave His life as ransom

Jesus was sent to this world by His Father to come and bring His kingdon on earth. That is why He inconcated it in the Lord's prayer. He came to deliver hostages from the devil by choosing and living as an example. Many people stil pray that LET HIS KINGDOM COME. For the kingdom of God has already come. How do i know,?

Matt 26:29,Mark 14:25,Luke 22:18. For i tell you that from now on I will not drik of the fruit of the VINE until the kingdom of God comes
Luke 23:36,Mark 15:23&36,Matt 27:48. According to account of Mark,they gave Him a sour wine at first He did not take it but after He shouted eli eli lema.......,they offered Him another and He took.
So He took the fruit of VINE on the cross before He breathed His last breath.
As at when He was taking the fruit of VINE,He was taking it in the kingdom according to His word. THE KINGDOM HAS ALREADY COME

Jesus using the word FATHER in Matt 10:35-37. Ascribing the word father to men is to explain the information that He was trying pass across. Did you know Jesus picks things of the word for examples. He should the word sheep for his disciples,He called Himself a tree(vine) and His disciples branches. I tell you if there was another word to replace father in that context JESUS will have used it.
John 3:16. GOD sent His son to the world not to die for sins of the world but to deliver the world(captives or hostages) ftom the devil(captor or kidnapper) and to show us the way back God.
Sir,sacrifice is different from ransome.
RANSOME This is the payment paid to release or free the hostages or captives. Jesus life was a ransome. He laid His life for His sheep as the good shepherd
SACRIFICE The act of offering something to a God to propitate it.
Paul said that chooses the person to have mercy on. No,it is a liee
Jesus said inorder to recieve or obtain mercy from God you need to be merciful too

You said honour your father and mother ....... Did you know Jesus defined who His family are? He never called Joseph his father,he never called Mary his mother neither did He call Mary's children His brothers and sisters. He clearly showed wh His family are. Matt 23:9 God is His father, Mark 3:3-35 for whoever does the will of God is my brother and sister and mother. So as His disciple,God is my father and mother,those that do the will of my father is my family.
John 3:1-8 Jesus was briefing Nicodemus some kingdom things. He said to be born again is to be born by the Spirit. It means you are born the second time. And this time, it is not a physical birth but a spiritual one. Your physical birth,you were given birth by your biological parents and your siblings are your parents children. But when you are born again everything changes completely. God is now your father and mother,because you are begotten by Him and God's other children are your siblings

I know what the problem is, you have revere Paul to a very high state and you cant imagine him to be wrong because he form the basis of your belief.
I plead with you to make Jesus the basis of your belief and not Paul the stranger

Even John the beloved contradicted Jesus
John - 3John 1:4 I have no greater joy than this:to hear that MY CHILDREN are living according to the truth
Jesus - Matthew 23:9 And call no one your FATHER on earth,for you have one Father who is in heaven
Nobody on earth can be called father,not even your biological father

ON BEIGN SAVED
Paul- Rom 5:9 since therefore,we are now justified by his blood,much more shall we be saved by Him from the wrath of God
Jesus-Matt 12:37 for by your words you will be justified and by your words you will be condemned
ON DYING
Paul-1 cor15:31 i protest brethren by my pride in you which i have in Christ Jesus our Lord,i die daily
Jesus- John 11:26 and whoever lives and believes in me shall never die
ON SACRIFICES TO GOD
Paul- 1cor 5:7 for Christ,our paschal lamb,has been sacrificed
Jesus-Matt
Self acclaimed Apostle Paul was always contradicting Jesus

ON THE TIME OF THE COMING OF THE LORD
Paul -Rom 13:12 the night is far gone,the day is at hand
Jesus-Luke 21:8 take heed that you are not led astray,for many will come in my name saying,I am he The time is at hand. Do not go after them
ON WHOM GOD HAS MERCY
Paul-Rom 15-18. '18 so then has mercy upon whomever he wills,.......
Jesus-Matt 5:7 Blessed are the merciful,for they shall mercy
ON FORGIVENESS OF TRESPASSES
Paul-Eph 1:7 In him we have redemption through his blood,the forgiveness of our trespasses,......
Jesus-Matt 6:14-15 For if you forgive men their trespasses your heavenly Faher also will forgive you,......

To those that think i am talking from view of a muslim, sorry to disappoint you I AM NOT A MUSLIM. To those that think i am talking from the view of an aggrieved christian,sorry also to disappoint you I AM NEITHER A CHRISTIAN.
I AM TALKING FROM THE VIEW OF JESUS BECAUSE I AM HIS DISCIPLE AND I WILL FOLLOW HIM TILL I'LL BE UNITED WILL HIM AND OUR FATHER IN HEAVEN

Paul founded christianity but not through Jesus Because most of His teachings contradicted what Jesus taught. Yes he claimed that the resurrected Jesus appeared unto him. Is Paul now saying the Jesus teachings before His death are not completely accurate?

I am sorry i cant pick the quran to read. I believe in the words of Jesus as accounted by the gospel(matthew,mark,luke and john). This source is okay and reliable for me any one that wants to know God and follow Jesus. Mind you,i am not a religious person, i dont do religion(not a muslim neither a christian nor an atheist). I am a disciple of Jesus and follow Him daily

I will love you to think outside the box(your religious mind). How can you call a book where the devil,his agent,humans out of selfish and lustful desires spoke the word of God. Unified lies can not be called truth. It has being called the word of God over the centuries that does not make it through

Unbelievers can not define your identity. Let me ask you a question,which name will you bear, is it the one your parent name you or the one outsider calls you. The name Christian was actually to mock the disciple f Jesus,it was not a compliments. I am not a Christian because that is not the name Jesus gave His flock,He called them disciples,followers even friends. I will rather stay will my TRUE IDENTITY

The word church(kurios) i.e one Lord's house in the matthew in greek is ekklesia i.e called out ones. I dont know why ekklesia was substituted for church because they dont mean the same. Actually,that is why there are misconception
When Jesus said when two or more gather in His name, according to Matthew 18, He was saying ekklesia i.e called out ones,th little ones are to gather on the basis to settle disputes and not to worship

malvisguy212:
you said the bible is not the word of God, and that, you believe in jesus. But you also quote from the same bible, in fact the passage you quote indicate the bible is the TRUTH. Seriously, you are confuse.

The words of Jesus were preseved by the wisdom of God in the bible for centuries. Jesus is the TRUTH AND THE WORD OF GOD not the bible

Jesus never said He was a sacrificial lamb,He came to die for the sins of the world. Rather,He said that i have come to give His life has ransome to many. He came to deliver us(devil's hostages) from the devil

jopretty:
What then should we call the bible?

It is a book like other books,but people call it book of books.

PiccoloBrunelli:
Please OP don't use your phone when you're under the influence of whatever is influencing you right now...

For your information,if i am under any influence,it is the influence of Jesus because i am His disciple/follower. I believe only in Him and His words like a little child. I will say the truth no matter how difficult it is. To enjoy freedom as i am,you need to believe and continue in jesus words and you will become His disciple. And you will know the truth and it will set you free John 8:31-32

The Holy bible or Holy scriptures or whatever you call it. It is not the WORD OF GOD. The bible is the collections of books authored by many authors. Many people spoke in the bible; God spoke severally,Jesus spoke,angels spoke,disciples spoke,paul the false apostle spoke,the devil spoke even demons and unclean spirit spoke. How then do you call it the word of God. Mind you,there are numerous bible eg protestant bible(66 books),hebrew bible(only the old testaments),catholic bible,ethopian bible.
2 Timothy 3:16 All scriptures is given by the inspiration of God. Paul was saying that the scriptures i.e the torah,the laws and the prophets are given by the inspiration of God.
As at when Paul was writing this second letter to Timothy,there was no Holy bible,the only thing available wasthe Jewish scroll and it is being kept in the temple. Paul never knew his letter will be canonised later as Holy Scriptures