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The name or tag 'Christians' is a name generally accepted by the world,it is a name accepted by a group of people who claim to follow Jesus.
The name Christian is said to mean 'christ-like' --- doing what Christ did.
The origin of the tag Christians
The first time the name surfaced was 46-48 AD. The disciples were first called Christians in Antioch. Acts 11:26.
and when he found him, he brought him to Antioch. So for a whole year Barnabas and Saul met with the church and taught a significant number of people. Now it was in Antioch that the disciples were first called Christians.
Acts 11:26 NET
The tag Christians was given to believers in Antioch by unbelievers[men,the world]. I wonder why people who supposedly follow Jesus adopt a name given by the world[those that hate(d) Jesus John 7:7;17:14].
The world cannot hate you, but it hates me, because I am testifying about it that its deeds are evil.
John 7:7
I have given them your word, and the world has hated them, because they do not belong to the world, just as I do not belong to the world.
John 17:14 NET
Who should name a child?
A child is named by his or her parents. The parents of a child is obliged to name their child. Let me ask a question here; can you bear a name given to you by people who hate your father?
Who should name a believer?
A believer is said to be a person that believes in Jesus. So, the person solely obliged to name a believer is Jesus[for all that belongs to God also belongs to Jesus John 17:10] and not the world [the world is controlled by the devil Matt 4:8-9]. How will the world[haters of Jesus and His Father John 17:14] name a believers and this believers joyfully accepted the name then and even now?
8 Again, the devil took him to a very high mountain, and showed him all the kingdoms of the world and their grandeur. 9 And he said to him, "I will give you all these things if you throw yourself to the ground and worship me."
Matt 4:8-9 NET
Jesus said His disciples are not of this world John 17:14. If they are not of this world, they will not associate themselves with the name given by the world. If any disciple of Jesus needs a tag, let him/her go to Jesus words and pick a name. Jesus used many names to qualify his disciples. He called them disciples Matt 10:24,branches John 15:1,sheep John 10:2,friends John 15:15,brothers John 20:17,little flock Luke 12:32,my ecclesia Matt 16:18.

Scholar8200:
Ask Jesus, He said that. Also edit Peter and Paul's epistles since you finally knew better than them!

Did Jesus told Peter to feed or to shepherd His sheep? Are you Peter that Jesus was referring to? On what authority was Peter talking?

Scholar8200:
Ask Jesus, He said that. Also edit Peter and Paul's epistles since you finally knew better than them!

Did Jesus told Peter to feed or shepherd His sheep? Are you Peter that Jesus was referring to?

AmenRa1:
who is defending O I wan sleep abeg

Jesus is the son of God,He came from God, He came to establish the kingdom of God in this world. The kingdom of a king implies where the will of a king is been done. "Let your will be done earth as it is in heaven" this were the words of Jesus. This is the Gospel,bringing the will of God to earth. Jesus lived,doing the will of God as it is in heaven. He taught His disciples to do likewise. I am a disciple of Jesus,I am not a Christian. Pls you can check my posts,topics to know more about me and what I stand for.

AmenRa1:
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Gospel means good tidings or good news. The good news was brought by Jesus from God to mankind.

Scholar8200:
Exactly what you find there. Not a contradiction to John 21:15-17!

Just as He said:
Then said Jesus to them again, Peace be unto you: as my Father hath sent me, even so send I you
John 20:21

Perfect unity, no contradiction:

The Father sends Him as the Good Shepherd to give His Life for the sheep
He sends His disciples to feed His sheep

Perfectly agrees with what Peter and Paul said!

Can a sheep shepherd another sheep?

Scholar8200:
15 So when they had dined, Jesus saith to Simon Peter, Simon, son of Jonas, lovest thou me more than these? He saith unto him, Yea, Lord; thou knowest that I love thee. He saith unto him, Feed my lambs.

16 He saith to him again the second time, Simon, son of Jonas, lovest thou me? He saith unto him, Yea, Lord; thou knowest that I love thee. He saith unto him, Feed my sheep.

17 He saith unto him the third time, Simon, son of Jonas, lovest thou me? Peter was grieved because he said unto him the third time, Lovest thou me? And he said unto him, Lord, thou knowest all things; thou knowest that I love thee. Jesus saith unto him, Feed my sheep.

John 21:15-17

Op: But that was said to Peter and concerns him alone

Peter: The elders which are among you I exhort, who am also an elder, and a witness of the sufferings of Christ, and also a partaker of the glory that shall be revealed:

2 Feed the flock of God [/b]which is among you, taking the oversight thereof, not by constraint, but willingly; not for filthy lucre, but of a ready mind;
1 Peter 5:1,2

Paul (cuts in): Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and [b]to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood. Acts 20:28

so,what was Jesus saying in John 10:1-16,I know you have an explanation for it.

Jesus is not incapacitated . He can shepherd His flock Himself,He does not need any human assistance

oaroloye:
The Discipleship of YAHSHUA involves worship of God.

[color=#ffffff].[/color] JOHN 4:19-24.

19. The woman saith unto him,
"Sir, I perceive that thou art a Prophet.
20. "Our fathers worshipped in this mountain; and ye say,
'That in Jerusalem is the place
where men ought to worship.'
21. Jesus saith unto her,
"Woman, believe me, the Hour cometh,
when ye shall neither in this mountain,
nor yet at Jerusalem, worship The Father.
22. "Ye worship ye know not what:
we know what we worship: for Salvation is of the Jews.
23. "But the hour cometh, and now is,
when the True Worshippers
shall worship The Father in spirit and in Truth:
for The Father seeketh such to worship him.
24. "God is a Spirit:
and they that worship Him
must worship Him in spirit and in Truth."

THIS IS RELIGION.

You do NOT get to stigmatize the term "RELIGION," in order to brag about how much better you are than False Christianity.

[color=#ffffff].[/color] ACTS 11:26.

26. And when he had found him, he brought him unto Antioch.
And it came to pass, that a whole year they assembled themselves with the Church,
and taught much people. And the Disciples were called Christians first in Antioch.

What people call Disciples of Yahshua, and what the Disciples of The Son of Yahweh God call themselves is irrelevant.

[color=#ffffff].[/color] LUKE 10:17-24.

17. And the seventy returned again with joy, saying,
"Lord, even the Devils are subject unto us through thy Name."
18. And he said unto them,
"I beheld Satan as lightning fall from Heaven.
19. "Behold, I give unto you Power
to tread on Serpents and Scorpions,
and over all the Power of the Enemy:
and nothing shall by any means hurt you."
20. "Notwithstanding in this rejoice not,
that the spirits are subject unto you;
but rather rejoice, because your Names are written in Heaven."
21. In that Hour Jesus rejoiced in spirit, and said,
"I thank thee, O Father, Lord of Heaven and Earth,
that thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent,
and hast revealed them unto babes:
even so, Father; for so it seemed good in Thy Sight.
22. "All things are delivered to me of my Father:
and no man knoweth who the Son is, but the Father;
and Who the Father is, but the Son,
and he to whom the Son will reveal him."
23. And he turned him unto his Disciples, and said privately,
"Blessed are the eyes which see the things that ye see:
24. "For I tell you,

'THAT MANY PROPHETS AND KINGS
HAVE DESIRED TO SEE
THOSE THINGS WHICH YE SEE
AND HAVE NOT SEEN THEM;
AND TO HEAR
THOSE THINGS WHICH YE HEAR,
AND HAVE NOT HEARD THEM.' “

It is what YAHWEH GOD calls them that is important.

All you are doing is SOWING DISCORD.

why will you say a name is irrelevant,when you give birth pls do name your child Lucifer or when you give birth let your child bear the name your enemies named him/her(the world hates Jesus).
Mind you,I am not sowing any discord. I am just saying the truth from Jesus viewpoint. I reaffirm that it is only the parents that name a child,you're the child of whoever named you.

Ishilove:
Lmao! No foundation, you say? No idols, you say??

Before Gideon could carry out his great commission of delivering Israel from the hands of their enemies, he first of all had to pull down the evil idol altars of his father's house. God specifically chose him for the job, but he first had to deal with his foundation, vis the polluted altars he was born to meet in that household. He was a righteous man, but STILL, God told him "PULL DOWN THE ALTAR OF (the idol of your father's house) BAAL!! CLEAR the nonsense that is by it.

Gideon's father, Joash inherited if from his own father, and before then, his father's father (ancestors). Gideon too would have inherited it from his own father once the man died but God had a different plan for him

Judges 6: 25-27. However I will advise you to read the whole chapter

25 And it came to pass the same night, that the Lord said unto him, Take thy father's young bullock, even the second bullock of seven years old, and throw down the altar of Baal that thy father hath, and cut down the grove that is by it:

26 And build an altar unto the Lord thy God upon the top of this rock, in the ordered place, and take the second bullock, and offer a burnt sacrifice with the wood of the grove which thou shalt cut down.

27 Then Gideon took ten men of his servants, and did as the Lord had said unto him: and so it was, because he feared his father's household, and the men of the city, that he could not do it by day, that he did it by night.

One of the biggest battles many people are fighting today are a result of ancestral evil yokes, dedications and idolatory. When those who served these idols died, they left the battle for the innocent children to fight because when they worship them, they say "I and my children will forever serve you". Now when they are no more and these children refuse to serve them, problem enters.

Our God is a respecter of covenants, so when they table your matter in the court of heaven, they say "so and so owes me, they promised me, they sacrificed so and so, such and such, so I have a legal ground. They have been covenanted to me".

Unless the foundation be destroyed, what can the righteous do?

Mr Man, stop deceiving yourself and go and handle your foundation. From all you have written you need to do it as a matter of urgency because you are living a life that is upside down, meanwhile the devil has blocked your eyes to see the true situation of things. Don't let them waste you.

I pray the Lord show you mercy.

Idol in your foundation? If i may ask,are you from Benin?
Enjoy this life? Jesus said
The one who loves his life destroys it, and the one who hates his life in this world guards it for eternal life.
John 12:25.
Jesus replied, "I tell you the solemn truth, unless a person is born from above, he cannot see the kingdom of God."
John 3:3
To be born from above is to be born the second time. The second birth (spiritual) cancels out first birth (physical).
So,if you are born again,you are born of the Spirit. Your parentages change from YOUR BIOLOGICAL PARENTS TO GOD. YOUR BIOLOGICAL SIBLINGS CHANGE TO GOD'S CHILDREN.
You will have powers,foundational idols,ancestral covenants oppressing you only if you are not a child of God.
Are you a child of God? If you are a child of God,you will always and gladly obey your Father,you will desire to go back to Him. You damn strangers,and obeys your Father's words only.

Peritus:
1. Teachings of grace never encourage sin, but that our worthiness is not because of our works (just like the Pharisees believe).
2. Do you really read the gospels? Haven't you seen several places Christ disobeyed the law, and in one occasion he maintained that he was guiltless and the Lord of Sabbath? We are no longer under the law. The law has finished it's work. Christ is the fulfilment of it.
3. It's either you don't know the meaning of grace and faith, or you are just a confused fellow. Christianity is rooted on faith. Salvation is for those who believe. Abraham was called righteous not because he kept the law, but because he believed and trusted God.
Did Moses die a righteous man? Do you know what saved him? God says, I will have mercy on those whom I will have mercy on.
4. The epistles you despise critically disproves sin, making it clear that if you walk in sin, you walk in darkness.
5. Christ says that if our righteousness does not exceed that of the Pharisees, we won't make heaven. The pharisees are know for keeping the law, fleshly.

I pray you be filled with the knowledge of His will, in wisdom and spiritual understanding. Col 1:9.

According to Paul,his followers are saved by grace not by works (as for me,i am disciple of Jesus,i believe in the words of Jesus only John 8:31-32). He also taught predestination(once saved forever saved). So according to this doctrine,it doesn't matter what you do,you are forever saved.
Jesus came to fulfill(perfect,fill-full) the laws. In Israel,there are two sets of laws. The ten commandments and the ceremonial laws. The ceremonial laws were not given by God,it was these laws that Jesus broke not the ten commandments.
He fulfilled or perfected the law by tightening it. For example
21 "You have heard that it was said to an older generation, ' Do not murder ,' and 'whoever murders will be subjected to judgment.' 22 But I say to you that anyone who is angry with a brother will be subjected to judgment. And whoever insults a brother will be brought before the council, and whoever says 'Fool' will be sent to fiery hell.
Matt 5:21-22.
So,Jesus gave us His perfect commandments and He expects us to obey them if we love Him. His commandments are His words as recorded in the synoptic gospels.
The person who does not love me does not obey my words. And the word you hear is not mine, but the Father's who sent me.
John 14:24
If you love me, you will obey my commandments.
John 14:15
You are right! We are not under the Israelites laws but under the obedience of Jesus words.
Paul's concept of salvation is wrong. Jesus said
And you will be hated by everyone because of my name. But the one who endures to the end will be saved.
Matt 10:22
According to Jesus,nobody is saved yet,unless you endure to the end.
As for mercy,in order to receive mercy,this what you should do. Be merciful.
Blessed are the merciful, for they will be shown mercy.
Matt 5:7
This is the only way to receive mercy from God,if you are not merciful,you will not be shown mercy.
The Pharisees were practising eye service,they are men pleasers like Paul did too. They don't even believe in Jesus(their major problem).

Ishilove:
I am not alarmed. Rather, I can't understand because your words are badly punctuated. No comma, no fullstop. Syntax, brutalised and murdered.

It takes one with a heart of stone to read from the beginning of your post to the end without zooming out...

Hey! That was very harsh,too much.

For false messiahs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect.
Matt 24:24
18 For I will not dare to speak of anything except what Christ has accomplished through me in order to bring about the obedience of the Gentiles, by word and deed, 19 in the power of signs and wonders, in the power of the Spirit of God. So from Jerusalem even as far as Illyricum I have fully preached the gospel of Christ.
Rom 15:18-19
These verses are confirmations that Paul was a false messiah and false prophet. The sign of false messiahs in Matthew is confirmed in Romans.
Jesus teachings are far different from Paul's teachings. He never preached Jesus,Paul preached another message. Paul was overly concerned with laws,curse of the law,abolition of the law,grace not by works,predestination to mention few but Jesus taught about God,His love,His commandments,His kingdom.

easterwick:
Paul is another jesus all christians are following because he gives them wealth n protection, do you know i was ask to minister in one pastor divition church and he promise to pay me 50k a month but i refuse he now told me that d devil knws the scripture more than me that he leave me to my faith so two things why people refuse to follow jesus christ is poorverty .

Jesus and wealth,riches are two parallel lines that can never meet. To follow Jesus, you have to denounce riches,possessions. Luke 12:33. He even said His disciples should not lay up treasures here on earth but in heaven. Matthew 6:19-20. It is very hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom heaven says Jesus. Matthew 19:24. Jesus went further to say woe to your who are rich,for you have received your consolation. Luke 6:24.

Jesus ministry was associated with poverty,He came to preach the good news to the poor. Luke 4:18. He even said, blessed are the poor, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. Luke 6:20

To lose and hate your life in this world John 12:25,you must be poor. Lets take a brief look at the prodigal son parable. As long as the son still had money to spend,he never remembered home,his father. In a nutshell what was separating the son from the father is WEALTH.

According to the parable (for we know parables talks about the kingdom of God) the father is God,the prodigal son represents we human beings. We need to desire to go home to GOD(not by suicide). That was why Jesus asked us to lay up treasures in heaven Matthew 6:20.

BlackHummer:
You are right to say Paul referred to the Hebrew scripture. But does God not still inspire people today? Are people not inspired by the Holy Spirit? Like I said, empty your mind and go to God like a child. Atleast I know you will listen to this because you have vowed to listen to only the documented words of Jesus.

I love the part you said i should go to God like a child.
I actually went and I am still going to God like a child.
At that time Jesus said, "I praise you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because you have hidden these things from the wise and intelligent, and revealed them to little children.
Matt 11:25
I tell you the truth, whoever does not receive the kingdom of God like a child will never enter it."
Mark 10:15
As a child,i only believe the words of my Father(for we know God's words are Jesus's words). I don't believe stranger's words. I believe my Father only,He is truth and He will never lie to me.
So,He told me to continue in His words only.
31 Then Jesus said to those Judeans who had believed him, "If you continue to follow my teaching, you are really my disciples 32 and you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free."
John 8:31-32.
The gospels (Matthew,Mark,Luke and John only) are the inspired words of God.

BlackHummer:
Can you hear yourself speak? "...Listen to Jesus only." Jesus did not say all that the Father told him to say because as at that time, the disciples had not sustained the capacity to bear them. Jesus Himself said He has a lot to speak concerning other matters but He will go up to the Father and send the Holy Spirit to complete the rest alongside other functions. (John 16:12-15). What you see at work in the 12 Apostles as well as Paul is the fulfilment of Jesus's Promise. Are all scriptures not as a result of the inspiration of the Holy Spirit?

the scriptures here refers to the Hebrew scripture(Takanh) which consists of the old testament. Paul was telling them that the old testament were inspired by God. Jesus will reveal things through the Holy Spirit and not through anyone else not even the apostles nor paul. The best the apostle could do is to teach people to obey all Jesus words and commands Matthew 28:20. The gospels was recorded in obedience to Matthew 28:20.

We are to hate out lives in this world as the prodigal son hated his life in the far country

The word of God can not contradicts itself. God is perfect. The words of Jesus stands even if the heaven and earth pass away. The word of man is not the voice of God. The voice of Jesus only is the voice of God

One thing i have learnt in this world is that it is very easy to disobey Jesus and very hard to disobey the devil. The devil knows what men desires and he satisfies their earthly desires. Jesus knows what men desires and He only relay the will of God

25 At that time Jesus said, "I praise you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because you have hidden these things from the wise and intelligent, and revealed them to little children. 26 Yes, Father, for this was your gracious will.
Matt 11:25-26

BlackHummer:
OP, I meant what I said. Go before God with your heart empty.

How i pray you empty your heart and head of what the devil has taught the world through Paul. I wish you just see the truth. Don't be deceived because it is accepted by the world. I wish you empty your religious mind and listen to Jesus only for the first time in your life

Jesus disciples are not of this world,so no affiliation with the world system or anything. Their lifes are controlled by God. They hates their life in this world

I know why people even christians don't follow Jesus. It happened first when He came from the father.
Now this is the basis for judging: that the light has come into the world and people loved the darkness rather than the light, because their deeds were evil.
John 3:19.
They don't want to come to light because it will expose their deeds.
The Jews,the Pharisees,Sadducees,scribes did not follow Him.
Even Christians,Pope,Pastors,Apostles,Prophets won't follow Him also.
The devil gave them substitute to follow Jesus,he gave them Saul turned to Paul. He worked very hard for the devil by persecuting Jesus disciples. The devil then promoted him to deceive people by professing to follow Jesus. If you look at paul closely,he was busy antagonising Jesus. He actually went to the gentiles and preached another Jesus,he then cursed anyone who brings another gospel to them. Paul,a useful tool in the hands of the devil

emrain:
How did you arrive at this "truth"?

The devil has always and will always pervert the truth. The truth is Jesus. The world has never accepted and will never accept Jesus.
Now this is the basis for judging: that the light has come into the world and people loved the darkness rather than the light, because their deeds were evil.
John 3:19

BlackHummer:
This is how you people fight against the Body of Christ with your spurious and satan-inspired logic. Peter was right when he wrote about your kind, "...Paul wrote to you with the wisdom that God gave him. He writes the same way in all his letters, speaking in them of these matters. His letters contain somethings that are hard to understand which ignorant and unstable people distort, as they do the other scriptures, to their own destruction." 2Peter3:15-16

I wanted to ignore your post initially because I thought it was unbelievers as usual with their relentless zeal to attack the wisdom of God. I became petrified when I saw it was someone within the Body of Christ. Does your write up really make sense to you? Zeal without knowledge is catastrophic.

With zeal, you went as far as checking the greek translation inorder to further buttress your confusion. Your write up is just full of new heresies, I don't even know where to address. I trust that God will address them.

Please OP, go to the Lord in prayer. Empty your mind of what you know, let your mind become a tabula rasa before God, and ask him to lead you to truth. Evidently, you have strayed. I only wish you'd believe me.

I prayed that God should lead me into truth. He answered,this post is the result of the truth He is leading me into.
Fight the body of Christ? Jesus never called His disciples or followers His body. It was Paul's concept. His disciples or followers are not His body.
Hey! It is God at work here,not the devil. All the devil tries to do is to pervert the truth but the Holy Spirit has revealed and is revealing this truth through the words of Jesus(His words are spirit and they are life).
Paul was and will always remain a stranger to Jesus and His flock,His sheep will never follow the voice of the stranger.
I actually know how you feel,i was once like you. I had always believe that Christianity is the religion of God,but i now see clearly that Christianity,although they profess to follow Jesus but in reality they follow Paul(the founder of Christianity).
They disobey Jesus words,they give excuses by saying that is not what He meant. They follow His substitute,words of Paul. Paul never preached Jesus,if he had preached Jesus he would have taught words,teachings of Jesus
This is the truth. Stop giving excuses and follow Jesus words only and then you will know the truth and the truth will set you free.
Jesus is the truth,not Paul.

I believe it is the parent of a child that name a child not outsiders,not even those that hate you or don't even know you. So if God is your father,you will stick with the name He named you with. Surprisingly,God did not give a specified name for His children in this world. He used many name to describe them,He sometimes called them friends,disciples,sheep,branches etc. So,if God never gave any of His children name,why do accept the name from outsiders. The name in question here is CHRISTIANS,a name given by pagan worshippers.

Princewell2012:
Op i concour with you.

All of us are just brethren in the Lord, Jesus is the only shepherd.

Besides, all these titles ends here.

Do you realised some of all these people bears something like this, his Holiness, reverends, reverend father, most reverend, senior pastor, general overseer, archbishop, and pope. I have seen them all, so which one now remained for Jesus.?

Nice write up.

Jesus even said
8 But you are not to be called 'Rabbi,' for you have one Teacher and you are all brothers. 9 And call no one your 'father' on earth, for you have one Father, who is in heaven. 10 Nor are you to be called 'teacher,' for you have one teacher, the Christ. 11 The greatest among you will be your servant. 12 And whoever exalts himself will be humbled, and whoever humbles himself will be exalted.
Matt 23:8-12. If all Christians believe in Jesus as they claimed to,they will believe in this saying. Nobody should call or should be called:
Teacher(for Jesus only is the teacher),
Father (for one alone is your father,God),
Master (for Jesus alone is the master).
Human beings have the mindset to rule anybody and anything. Even some concluded that they are born to rule. Jesus kicked against that,He even detest it.
12 So when Jesus had washed their feet and put his outer clothing back on, he took his place at the table again and said to them, "Do you understand what I have done for you? 13 You call me 'Teacher' and 'Lord,' and do so correctly, for that is what I am. 14 If I then, your Lord and Teacher, have washed your feet, you too ought to wash one another's feet. 15 For I have given you an example - you should do just as I have done for you. 16 I tell you the solemn truth, the slave is not greater than his master, nor is the one who is sent as a messenger greater than the one who sent him. 17 If you understand these things, you will be blessed if you do them.
John 13:12-17.
If anyone desire post or any office,let him desire the post of a deacon i.e servant.
You can just check my post on SOME OF THE BELIEFS OF THE DISCIPLES OF JESUS.

Edwinmason:
where is the sense in say all pastors are anti jesus...does he even know the meanin of "anti"

yeah. I used the word anti-Jesus because it is the perfect word to use. If you read the post carefully you will fully understand what i meant by all pastors are anti-Jesus.
If you believe in Jesus,you will believe in His words. His words said one flock,one pastor. Jesus also said He is the only Pastor. So if you believe in Jesus words as you claimed,you won't be a pastor or be called a pastor.

Edwinmason:
OP have warn u to live weed alone but u no hear...c am na

weed? Because i am saying the truth

All Pastors are anti-Jesus,Jesus is the only Pastor.
14 "I am the good shepherd. I know my own and my own know me - 15 just as the Father knows me and I know the Father - and I lay down my life for the sheep. 16 I have other sheep that do not come from this sheepfold. I must bring them too, and they will listen to my voice, so that there will be one flock and ONE SHEPHERD.
John 10:14-16.
It was he who gave some as apostles, some as prophets, some as evangelists, and some as PASTOR and teachers,
Eph 4:11.
In Greek ,the word SHEPHERD in John is "poimen",the word PASTORS in Ephesians is also "poimen".
So,the word shepherd is also the same as the word pastor(s).
According to Jesus,He clearly stated that ONE SHEPHERD(PASTOR). He also continued by saying He is the only shepherd(PASTOR).
According Jesus,there can not be another shepherd(PASTOR). There can only be strangers,thieves,robbers and hirelings. John 10:5,8,12.
But according to Paul,he claimed that Jesus gave the gift of Pastor(shepherd) to men. Ephesians 4:11.
There is a battle here. A battle between Jesus words and Paul words. Jesus said one shepherd, Paul said many shepherds. One is correct and other is wrong. Jesus can't be wrong,Paul is.
JESUS.
Jesus is the son of God,He came from the Father to do the will of the Father. He is the truth. John 14:6. He said the words that i speak are from the Father.
The one who belongs to God listens and responds to God's words. You don't listen and respond, because you don't belong to God."
John 8:47
7 Now they understand that everything you have given me comes from you, 8 because I have given them the words you have given me. They accepted them and really understand that I came from you, and they believed that you sent me.
John 17:7-8.
He was speaking the words of God,He could not lie or err because He was not seeking glory from men.
PAUL.
Paul is a self acclaimed apostle of God. Jesus only appointed 12 apostles and He prepared 12 thrones. Judas Iscariot betrayed Jesus and He was replaced by Matthias.[ Many people claimed that Paul was the one God had in mind to replace Judas,anyways he replaced Judas. I believe, nevertheless, that Paul was Judas's successor – as traitor! Judas betrayed him in his flesh; Paul betrayed him in his spirit]. According to the account of Acts,
21 Thus one of the men who have accompanied us during all the time the Lord Jesus associated with us, 22 beginning from his baptism by John until the day he was taken up from us - one of these must become a witness of his resurrection together with us."
Acts 1:21-22. Paul is or was not qualified to be an apostle.
So,because his(Paul) apostleship was questioned by others,
1 Am I not free? Am I not an apostle? Have I not seen Jesus our Lord? Are you not my work in the Lord? 2 If I am not an apostle to others, at least I am to you, for you are the confirming sign of my apostleship in the Lord.
1 Cor 9:1-2.
He came up with a lie to back up his offices(because he had more than one office). He said
It was he who gave some as apostles, some as prophets, some as evangelists, and some as pastors and teachers,
Eph 4:11.
Anyways i won't blame Paul because he never had assess to Jesus teachings,words. Although he had the opportunities to learn from Jesus original apostles,his pride won't allow him.
But from those who were influential (whatever they were makes no difference to me; God shows no favoritism between people ) - those influential leaders added nothing to my message.
Gal 2:6. The influential leaders he was referring to was Jesus disciples.
So,Jesus is correct by saying one shepherd /pastor. He did not give the gift of pastor to anyone,He is the only pastor.
Anybody that claims he is a pastor is thereby saying Jesus is wrong,Paul is right . In a nutshell,the person does not believe in Jesus because anyone who believes in Jesus also believes in His words.
Why do you call me 'Lord, Lord,' and don't do what I tell you?
Luke 6:46.
So,all pastors are anti-Jesus. They neglected the words of Jesus because it doesn't profit them.
PURPOSE OF THIS WRITE-UP
I am a disciple of Jesus,i preach the gospel of Jesus only. I tell people about Jesus and His teachings.
teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And remember, I am with you always, to the end of the age."
Matt 28:20.
He asked His disciples to believe and continue in His teachings only,after that they will know the truth and the truth shall set them free. His teachings as recorded in Matthew,Mark,Luke and John only.
31 Then Jesus said to those Judeans who had believed him, "If you continue to follow my teaching, you are really my disciples 32 and you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free."
John 8:31-32

mildflame:
This one no easy O! No be bread n butter one bit

Holy Spirit is always there for His own.

Scholar8200:
Rexben, can you answer these:
1. We know Paul was a very committed judaiser/pharisee who was against the Church. What changed him to a member of the church?
2. If you say he was a false prophet, whose interest was he serving as such?
3. Why did the jews persecute Paul like they did to the disciples?
4. Since Luke wrote both Luke and Acts, what criteria did you use in selecting the one and rejecting the other?
5. Since John wrote John, Revelations and 1,2&3 John, by what criteria do you choose one and reject the other?
6. Jesus said the Spirit will teach and reveal those things which He did not say then. The audience that were with Him and those that were used recorded theirs in the Epistles. What has been revealed to you by the Spirit (not recorded in the gospels since Jesus did not say it then)?

If you have answered b4, quote it.

I promised not to answer any of your questions again but for the sake of other readers. I know you aren't ready to accept the truth. Not everyone will accept the truth because the people of this world are different from Jesus disciples( they are not of this world).
He said to them, "Not everyone can accept this statement, except those to whom it has been given.
Matt 19:11
I have answered all questions before. While you were reading my posts and quotes,you weren't reading to understand but you were actually reading to ask questions or correct everything.
Paul has turned innocent people from Jesus. Paul changed all what Jesus taught. Paul's epistles are excuses to disobeying Jesus words,like the Pharisees teachings were excuses to disobeying God's commandments as delivered by Moses. No wonder,he is a Pharisee,he never stopped being a Pharisee because he claimed to be one. In order for Paul to secure or protect his false teachings,he cursed anybody that brings any other teachings aside from his teachings. He was referring to Jesus original apostle,no wonder he rubbished Peter's reputation in front of the Galatians. He actually accused Peter of what He is also guilty of.
He accused Peter of eating with the gentiles,when Peter saw the Jews he separated himself from the gentiles. The same Paul said i became all things for all men. To the jew i became a jew,to weak i became weak[it also implies , to the thief i became as a thief]. He was not accepted by the apostle in Jerusalem. Paul said to others i am not an apostle but to you i am(he was referring to Peter and others).
Paul was a false apostle,he wasn't serving Jesus interest at all. According to Jesus,He was serving his father's interest,the devil. He perverted Jesus's teachings.
Did you know why you and others prefer Paul's teachings to Jesus's teachings?
Paul's teachings appeals to men. Paul savour the things of men not of God. Grace,something Jesus never taught. According to Jesus teachings,nobody is saved by grace.
But the person who endures to the end will be saved.
Matt 24:13.
24 "Everyone who hears these words of mine and does them is like a wise man who built his house on rock. 25 The rain fell, the flood came, and the winds beat against that house, but it did not collapse because it had been founded on rock. 26 Everyone who hears these words of mine and does not do them is like a foolish man who built his house on sand. 27 The rain fell, the flood came, and the winds beat against that house, and it collapsed; it was utterly destroyed!"
Matt 7:24-27
1 "I am the true vine and my Father is the gardener. 2 He takes away every branch that does not bear fruit in me. He prunes every branch that bears fruit so that it will bear more fruit.
John 15:1-2.
I told you earlier that i believe in the book Luke not because of the integrity of Luke but because it records the words and teachings of Jesus nothing more nothing less. Same goes to John also. Jesus never asked anybody to follow His disciples teachings or words. He even strictly instructed His disciples to teach people to obey all His commands only. Looking through the gospels,their sole aim is to reveal Jesus' teachings.
As we have seen, the purposes of the book of Acts(the writer was a close companion of Paul) is to minimize the conflict between Paul and the leaders of the Jerusalem Church, James and Peter. Peter and Paul, in later Christian tradition, became twin saints, brothers in faith, and the idea that they were historically bitter opponents standing for irreconcilable religious standpoints would have been repudiated with horror. The work of the author of Acts was well done; he rescued Christianity from the imputation of being the individual creation of Paul, and instead gave it a respectable pedigree, as a doctrine with the authority of the so-called Jerusalem Church, conceived as continuous in spirit with the Pauline Gentile Church of Rome. Yet, for all his efforts, the truth of the matter is not hard to recover, if we examine the New Testament evidence with an eye to tell-tale inconsistencies and confusions, rather than with the determination to gloss over and harmonize all difficulties in the interests of an orthodox interpretation."
Before Jesus went back to His father,He promised the Holy Spirit,the Spirit of truth. He is to reveal and teach us,He is to take from Jesus and give unto us. The Holy is meant to reveal not His disciples. He asked us not to follow anyone else apart from Him. I repeat this for clarity sake.Jesus never asked anybody to follow His disciples teachings or words. He even strictly instructed His disciples to teach people to obey all His commands only.