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The 11th commandment: Thou shall pay your tithes regularly.

How pastors wished that it was included in the commandments God gave Moses on Sinai.

Pastors exploits members. Even members loves to be exploited.
Christianity is evil.
Follow Jesus!

Why do Christians prefer darkness to light (Jesus)? Why do Christians prefer bondage to freedom (Jesus)?

God created man and woman. One is not inferior to the other.

blueAgent:
Stop confusing people.

Your religion is the thing confusing people. Your religion is the author of confusion

But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking. 8 Be not ye therefore like unto them: for your Father knoweth what things ye have need of, before ye ask him.
Matt 6:7-8.
Repeating a request most time is due to lack of believe - doubt.
When there's doubt, it is either you don't believe the capability of God to answer you or you're asking what He never promised to give to you.
Praying, "God provide clothes for me, pls provide clothes for me, I need clothes O Lord" is what Jesus called vain repetition. Why not say,God give me money? Why hammer on it, when you know that the person you're talking to is not deaf nor wicked.
For the unconverted pursue these things, and your heavenly Father knows that you need them.
Matt 6:32

Scholar8200:
First, did the God of the OT allow the enemies of the Israelites destroy them? If yes, why? And lest you spread this rather lopsided version I hope you realise that Love was commanded in the OT:

Love ye therefore the stranger: for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt.

[size=18pt]Deuteronomy 10:19[/size]

Note that God did not bid them do to strangers what Egypt did to them.

Now who is the stranger and who is the enemy?How was Israel to differentiate and on what basis did a stranger graduate into an enemy? And why did Israel suffer the same fate in the hands of enemies at some point?

That is for your Bible study.



HAlleluyah!


God remains the same!

Lol
Pls, must you always respond. Pls, understand my thread before you respond.
My threads are not borne out of jealousy. They are borne out of obeying Jesus and witnessing Jesus.
Don't get it twisted. I'm not witnessing about the Jesus Christians preach ooo.

Scholar8200:
YES! Apart from Love, He exalts His Word more than His Name.

Were they warned then? Yes!

What are you saying?

tonyx4x44:
Numbers 15:32-36King James Version (KJV)

32 And while the children of Israel were in the wilderness, they found a man that gathered sticks upon the sabbath day.

33 And they that found him gathering sticks brought him unto Moses and Aaron, and unto all the congregation.

34 And they put him in ward, because it was not declared what should be done to him.

35 And the Lord said unto Moses, The man shall be surely put to death: all the congregation shall stone him with stones without the camp.

36 And all the congregation brought him without the camp, and stoned him with stones, and he died; as the Lord commanded Moses.


Wait na the same loving Christian God?

I'm happy you called Him a Christian God.
It is not the God, the Father of Jesus.
God loves the good and the wicked. He also asked His children to love their enemies
43 "You have heard that it was said, ' Love your neighbor ' and 'hate your enemy.' 44 But I say to you, love your enemy and pray for those who persecute you, 45 so that you may be like your Father in heaven, since he causes the sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous.
Matt 5:43-45
You can read my thread on DOES GOD CHANGE?

The God of the old testament asked His people to utterly destroy their enemies without sparing any, while on the contrary the God of the new testament asked His children to love their enemies.
God is not a man, that he should lie, nor a human being, that he should change his mind. Has he said, and will he not do it? Or has he spoken, and will he not make it happen?
Num 23:19
But he is unchangeable, and who can change him? Whatever he has desired, he does.
Job 23:13
If God does not change, it means God of the old testament is different from the new testament. So, which one is the supreme God? Is it the old testament's God or the new testament's God?
Or if God does not change, it means God was portrayed wrongly either in the old testament or new testament. So, where was portrayed wrongly, is it in the old or new testament?

Smallville10:
smh. Guy please go and relax ur head then meditate and then study d bible again

Why are Christians so proud, they don't want to learn.
Haa! Paul has blinded their eyes from seeing Jesus, the way, the truth, the life.
Go and learn. Pls, humble yourself and learnnnnnn!

EyeHateGod:
This was One of the Reason I gave up On The Faith Everywhere u Look Hypocrites Yet they can Form Holy than thou!

@Op The reason Is that Most Christian Only Read the Bible from Their Pastors Mouth Am Talking 80%

Christianity has never represented God, the best they represented was Paul, the self acclaimed apostle.
Pls, don't give up on God and His son Jesus because of Christianity.
Don't mind Christians, the God they preaches is different from the one Jesus teaches.
Christians don't love nor listen to Jesus, who they listen to is Paul

blueAgent:
Jesus never limited prayer to only ones closet. when the disciples gathered they prayed together for Peter to be released. Jesus didnot pray in secret when he raised Lazarus.Jesus didnot pray in secret when he blessed 2fishs and 5loaves of Bread.and many other examples.
You just pick one Bible verse to suit your argument while ingnoring others.
Note God hates self righteousness.

I've done my part which is witnessing about Jesus.
You could choose to follow the path you want to follow.

EyeHateGod:
Am not a Christian o but there is something wrong in giving tithe according to Christians NT
Gal 5:2 Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing.
Gal 5:3 For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law.
Gal 5:4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.

Though rexben have a thing against paul
don't know Y

Paul is a self acclaimed apostle. Jesus definitely did not send him. Paul is dubious.
Paul has turned many people from Jesus to himself.

Smallville10:
"upon u i shall build my church"... Leave rexben... Christianity is sometimes frustrating

The word that was changed to church is ecclesia. It is an evil the early Christians did.
Ecclesia - ekklesia - assembly, called out ones
Church - kurioka - a lord's house
Jesus said He will build His ecclesia, His called out ones and not church.

Jesuobu:
I don't think he is making sense with this one. The word Christianity was formed from the word Christ.i.e Jesus Christ. The teachings of apostle Paul was divine. Apostle Paul wasn't educated but gave some useful advice in his letters and epistles which wasn't from human wisdom but from God. Don't confused yourself with this.

I would have love the title to be "Christians are not followers of religion" because Christians I know are followers of Jesus. Stereotype this is.

Christians does not mean behaving like Christ, some said it means little Christ, Christ like etc, there is no agreement on what the name means.
If christians means Christ-like, which Christ were they referring to?
For there are many Christs.
Lemme shock you, Paul was also a christ.
Christ means the anointed one. Was Paul not anointed?
Jesus is the Christ of God.
There is no reference in Acts 11:26 that says there were referring to Jesus.
You can check my trend on WHO SHOULD NAME YOUR CHILD? for clarity on this

atoleybaba:
john 15:12,13

12 My commandment is this - to love one another just as I have loved you. 13 No one has greater love than this - that one lays down his life for his friends.
John 15:12-13
When Mandela laid down his life for South Africa, did he die?
Jesus said He laid down His life and not His death.
Lemme educate you, He laid down His life by teaching daily His friends the will of the father.
He spent His life for His friends. He laid it down for His friends: for the benefits of His friends. He did not please Himself, He didn't lived for Himself just as Mandela laid down his youth life for South Africa.

blueAgent:
So you suggest that we call fellowers of Jesus Sheep,branch,friends?

If you like.
As for Jesus, He did not give them a specific name and He did not ask them to take up any name from the world.
Talking about names, see what Jesus said
24 "A disciple is not greater than his teacher, nor a slave greater than his master. 25 It is enough for the disciple to become like his teacher, and the slave like his master. If they have called the head of the house 'Beelzebul,' how much more will they defame the members of his household!
Matt 10:24-25

atoleybaba:
romans 5:19

Was it Jesus that say that. Pls, think well before answering.

Zenlife:
Chill out.
It's not that academic.

Lol

Walelavender:
This thread is incoherent and ludicrous. Spewing this gibberish amazes me. Nothing is going to stop this doctrine in the heart of those who have reliance and confidence in it.
Your effort in calling out Pas. E.A Adeboye and others is laughable and total waste of time.
The TRUTH can only make you free....
Ranting won't, OP

You could call it anything but that doesn't change the fact that I'm saying the truth.
Christians are the set of people that can be fooled because they're gullible.

Jesuobu:
I tell people that I'm not religious but "Jesusious" but they never know what I mean. I tell you the truth, Jesus is a hidden treasure which only few will find.

But the gate is narrow and the way is difficult that leads to life, and there are few who find it.
Matt 7:14

blueAgent:
Your mission is to cause more confusion in Christaindom. So prayer and tithing are now bad? you really need Christ.

Tithing is a complete Jewish thing. Are you a Jew or is your pastor or a levite?
And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward. 6 But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.
Matt 6:5-6 KJV
I wonder why christians don't see this. Jesus said whenever you want to pray, go into your closet. Do not pray in the open but in the secret.
Christians enjoy disobeying Jesus, they pray in the synagogues (churches, campgrounds), also on the streets (prayer walks).
If you pray in the open (as Christians do), you have received your reward. If you pray in the secret (as Jesus taught), God will reward you.
I enjoin you today to start believing in Jesus words and don't give excuses because of the love for your life.

smartograpy:
Jusus paid offering did you read it in your bible where Jesus sent peter to go and catch a fish and open it's mouth and bring the money to him and he use that to pay offering according to the story he paid just to satisfy thoes critisicing him.
But bro you cant compare the days of jesus to this present day.Back then there is no need to fuel generators,buy chairs and decorate the church.paying of thites and offering is very important and dont forget a saying in yoruba which says"owo ni keke iyinrere" which means money propagates the spreading of the gospel

That's not offering oo. It's tax and not offering.
The kingdom of God does not need money to expand.

Amberon:
Don't flatter yourself, I knew that. Adeboye is the G.O and the head of R.C.C.G. if you don't like his church or any other church where offerings are given, simply don't go.

I'm not a Christian. I don't go to church
I'm a disciple of Jesus.
You can check my trend on SOME OF THE BELIEFS OF THE DISCIPLES OF JESUS.

flexis:
Thank God d op quoted Mal.3:10. It was God speakig there. When 'Genuine pastors' ask u to give in church, its actually for ur own good. God doesnt necessary need ur money. I understand ur point though, but there re other places that d money given by the church are channeled to like say missionary work. So giving in the church is a blessing nd priviledge if done cheerfully

I don't know why people don't learn. When they read, they only see what they want to see.
Pastors asking you to give to God' s work is totally wrong. Pastors should stop exploiting people in the name of God.
Tithes and offerings are collected by the priests and it is a Jewish tradition.
Is your pastor a Levite or are you a Jew?
How many other Jewish traditions are you practising?

Zenlife:
And your knowledge of Jesus is a personal one via direct association independent of Christian religion?

Any knowledge of the origin of Christianity?

Pls, i would not like to be off point when answering your questions. Pls can you rephrase your questions ?

smartograpy:
this op is really foolish for this trend and i knew that you are creating this trend to gain cheap likes and attention where did you even get the idea that Adeboye is using church's money to buy jets and build mansions?the thites and offering collection is a world wide practise and dont forget that Jesus himself paid offering in the temple. Adeboye is using the thites and offering to buld aditorium,universities,and schools.come to the redemption camp and see projects-roods construction speakers chairs bathroms hostels for all the pastors and many others.Do you know the numbers of pastors that are working under RCCG?and they are paid a good amount of money, in the annual convention or congress foods and meat are served freely to the worshipers for seven days and at least u should know the number of people that worship at the redemption camp.also during this periods transportation is free all over the country also there is electricity 24/7 using generators lastly RCCG always give food to prisonals every week
Did all these not require money?of coarse they do will God pour money from above? That is what thites and offering are used for.even in your church dont they buy things to church or dont you on generators during service? And the pastors will feed his family.am very sure that if your Dad is a pastor you would not write this crap
Can you see that God needs our money so stop being foolish and confussing people.Adeboye is not a thief he is a man of God.retract your statement and ask for forgiveness from babaGod we are not paying thites to the GO bank's account

Being a world wide practice does not make it right.
Pls i need bible references where Jesus paid offering.
Who sent Adeboye to build church, schools etc.? It's not God.
Offerings and tithes was a Jewish tradition, how many Jewish traditions are christians practising this day? They cherry-picked.
Offerings and tithes was brought to the temple to be stored in the storehouse for the poor, foreigners etc.
I will ask you, is your redemption camp a storehouse?
Or your local assembly a storehouse?

atoleybaba:
you must have read john 3:16 and 17:3 and it is very easy to comprehend. Also 1john 4:9,10(go and read it) also explain further that God sent Jesus to die for us.Since one man, the perfect man Adam, brought sin and
death on us through disobedience, a perfect man obedient
even till death was needed to release us from that burden.
The Bible explains it this way: “Just as through the
disobedience of the one man many were made sinners, so
also through the obedience of the one person many will be
made righteous.” (Romans 5:19 ) Jesus was that “one
person.” He left heaven, became a perfect man * , and died in
our behalf. As a result, it is possible for us to have a
righteous standing with God and gain the prospect of
endless life.

When did Jesus say God sent Him to come and die for the sins of the world? Pls, i need bible reference

blueAgent:
You are only intrested in names. even if will call those who follow Jesus according to you any other name it will still be corrupted by evil people.Christanity is the name of people who identify with Christ and his teachings simple.
Yes their are lots of confusion in Christaindom. but the name is not responsible for that.it is the Evil people who are responsible. the name Christainity is from the word Christ.ie to be christ like.

I will love you to check my topic on WHO SHOULD NAME YOUR NEW BABY?

xnsandrxns:
I wouldn't base my argument on what jesus said or didn't say
I really do not recognise his authority
God's son indeed
Why are you people so afraid of being free?
What has religion done for you?
You people go around talking about your madeup god without even thinking for yourself
Freedom won't kill you my friend
Give it a try

Religion? I'm not a religious person, i don't belong to any religion. I'm not a Christian.
I understand your atheism view point. Whether you accept or not, God exists, He sent His son Jesus to come and show mankind how to please Him

Scholar8200:
loosing your temper so soon?! Anyway the events recorded in Luke 13 occured at the time of Christ not before. Besides those were neither prophets and apostles nor were they crucified, what then?

I just have a suggestion to make!; pls, change your name from scholar to something else.
Loosing my temper? No, I'm just frustrated at your blindness

blueAgent:
You are only intrested in names. even if will call those who follow Jesus according to you any other name it will still be corrupted by evil people.Christanity is the name of people who identify with Christ and his teachings simple.
Yes their are lots of confusion in Christaindom. but the name is not responsible for that.it is the Evil people who are responsible. the name Christainity is from the word Christ.ie to be christ like.

Who gave them the name? I've a post that covers this. I will refer you to it