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Empiree:
You made very bold declaration @bold. How can you be so sure?. Same Matthew said spirit of God descended and it was after that a voice was heard. Anyways, that's not really important. Point here is in what sense is Son Of God meant according to you as a disciple of Jesus, begotten?


Matthew a disciple? Interesting!. How then some of his accounts contradict other writers?. For instance, Luke accused Matthew of forgery.

Lol. Jesus is the Son of God. I am His disciple. He is the only way to God. He taught His disciples that God is His father and also their. So in order to get to God,i have to follow Jesus because He is the only way to God(John 14:6).

Empiree:
You have problems here buddy. First, Muslims believe in Jesus as a prophet and messanger of God. Period.


Which is the other source and where is it?


How?


You have serious problem here. Jesus himself said he is a messanger. And you claimed to believe in Bible?. You sure you read it very well? How about these ones Matthew 15:2, John 8:42, John 12:49-50, Malachi 3:1 ? to mention few.


So Jesus is a servant or messanger here now?. You confused?. Another problem you augmented upon yourself is underlined, where did he say that?


We believe in what is in harmony with Quran

I have checked all the scriptures you listed. All were confirming that Jesus is the Son of God. Malachi 3:1 was not referring to Jesus but John the Baptist. He was the messenger sent to prepare the way before Jesus.

Empiree:
You have problems here buddy. First, Muslims believe in Jesus as a prophet and messanger of God. Period.


Which is the other source and where is it?


How?


You have serious problem here. Jesus himself said he is a messanger. And you claimed to believe in Bible?. You sure you read it very well? How about these ones Matthew 15:2, John 8:42, John 12:49-50, Malachi 3:1 ? to mention few.


So Jesus is a servant or messanger here now?. You confused?. Another problem you augmented upon yourself is underlined, where did he say that?


We believe in what is in harmony with Quran

No one takes it away from me, but I lay it down of my own free will. I have the authority to lay it down, and I have the authority to take it back again. This commandment I received from my Father."
John 10:18

Empiree:
You have problems here buddy. First, Muslims believe in Jesus as a prophet and messanger of God. Period.


Which is the other source and where is it?


How?


You have serious problem here. Jesus himself said he is a messanger. And you claimed to believe in Bible?. You sure you read it very well? How about these ones Matthew 15:2, John 8:42, John 12:49-50, Malachi 3:1 ? to mention few.


So Jesus is a servant or messanger here now?. You confused?. Another problem you augmented upon yourself is underlined, where did he say that?


We believe in what is in harmony with Quran

another typographical error,i can lay down my life and can take it back,can a servant or messenger say that?. Jesus is the son of God

johnw74:
@bold, No I don't believe I will, you discredit the Bible, God inspired writings.

I agree with you, you are not a Christian.

Yeah,i am not a Christian. God never inspired all of the scriptures(bible). 2Tim 3:16. Paul was referring to the old testament,because the only scriptures then was the Hebrew scriptures (old testament). He never knew his letters will be compiled into a book called THE BIBLE .

Sunnycliff:
Go and sit down Femi! If you don't want to celebrate you don't disabuse the minds of people! Its just a remembrance of the resurrection day of our Lord Jesus Christ! We Pray to God through his son Jesus Christ and not to any fetish god!

Femi is actually correct. Why celebrate His death? Rather,celebrate His life by doing and following His commands as recorded in Matthew,Mark,Luke and John only

11 Then Jesus said, "A man had two sons. 12 The younger of them said to his father, 'Father, give me the share of the estate that will belong to me.' So he divided his assets between them. 13 After a few days, the younger son gathered together all he had and left on a journey to a distant country, and there he squandered his wealth with a wild lifestyle. 14 Then after he had spent everything, a severe famine took place in that country, and he began to be in need. 15 So he went and worked for one of the citizens of that country, who sent him to his fields to feed pigs. 16 He was longing to eat the carob pods the pigs were eating, but no one gave him anything. 17 But when he came to his senses he said, 'How many of my father's hired workers have food enough to spare, but here I am dying from hunger! 18 I will get up and go to my father and say to him, "Father, I have sinned against heaven and against you. 19 I am no longer worthy to be called your son; treat me like one of your hired workers."' 20 So he got up and went to his father. But while he was still a long way from home his father saw him, and his heart went out to him; he ran and hugged his son and kissed him. 21 Then his son said to him, 'Father, I have sinned against heaven and against you; I am no longer worthy to be called your son.' 22 But the father said to his slaves, 'Hurry! Bring the best robe, and put it on him! Put a ring on his finger and sandals on his feet! 23 Bring the fattened calf and kill it! Let us eat and celebrate, 24 because this son of mine was dead, and is alive again - he was lost and is found!' So they began to celebrate.
Luke 15:11-24.
I know this story is a familiar story to virtually everyone. The prodigal son story is a parable Jesus gave to explain about the kingdom.
According to the parable,
God -the father
Prodigal son -the people of the world,
Servants -the angels,
Famine -situations that God creates to make the earth uncomfortable so that you can think of uniting back with God,
Wealth -scheme created by the devil to make you comfortable on this earth and never to think of Home,uniting back with your father,
The far country -the world,planet earth.
The Father(God) wants us to come home. He is always looking out for our return. He won't force you. One unique thing God created with man was THE POWER TO MAKE CHOICE.
As his father never forced the prodigal son to come home,God wont force. Your willingness is the only thing that can take you home.
In this world,there are many distractions to make you remain on this earth. The devil is working tirelessly to make you to choose this earth over heaven,your home. God also presents opportunities to you reminding you of home. Firstly,He sent Jesus and after that He also sent the Holy ghost to teach you and guide you into all truth.
Your response to life determines your willingness to go home. No wonder, Jesus said that For whoever wants to save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for my sake will find it.
Matt 16:25.
There are many programs and research men has undergone and undergoing to save their life in this world.
In every decision you make,you either choose to LOSE YOUR LIFE IN THIS WORLD OR SAVE IT.
Every situation you find your self is always orchestrated to choose whether TO SAVE OR LOSE YOUR LIFE IN THIS WORLD.
For Jesus He was tempted to save His at every point in time. He was tempted by the devil to save His life. The devil asked Jesus to save His life by turning stone to bread because He was hungry.
He was tempted when Peter said He was not going to die. From that time on Jesus began to show his disciples that he must go to Jerusalem and suffer many things at the hands of the elders, chief priests, and experts in the law, and be killed, and on the third day be raised.
Matt 16:21
He also tempted Him at the cross, when He was asked to save Himself. They said, He saved other people and He can't save Himself.
In order to gain eternal life you must lose your life in this world.
Did you know why Jesus rebuke Peter? It was because Jesus wanted to go home and be united with His Father. Something He has being longing for. Peter wanted Him not to return to His Father,He wanted Him to be comfortable on this earth.
Peter also wanted Jesus to save His life,continuing living on this earth. But Jesus taught us to lose our lifes in this world.
For whoever wants to save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for my sake will find it.
Matt 16:25.
WEALTH. The most important and effective tool used by the devil to make people comfortable on earth. No wonder,Jesus said you can't serve God and mammon(money,wealth). He also asked us not to lay up treasures where moth can destroy and thieves can break in(laying up treasures on earth) but rather lay up your treasures in heaven(your home). No wonder,Jesus encouraged the poor,He never castigated them,His ministry was even to the poor Luke 4:18
Then he looked up at his disciples and said: "Blessed are you who are poor, for the kingdom of God belongs to you.
Luke 6:20
I plead with you today to lose your life in this world. Pls love God and ne homesick. How will you be comfortable on this earth,God is waiting for your return.
Before heaven can be your home,you must first believe in God and Jesus His son He sent. And also continue in His words/teachings and accept His words like a little child.
Where you can find His words. In Matthew,Mark,Luke and John only and not in the book of revelation

Empiree:
I knew you would quote this. See, I am trying to format your system. Here is the problem. First I believe in baptism of Jesus, no doubt about that. However, pay close attention to highlighted parts: What is Spirit of God?

Also a voice from heaven, whose voice is it?. There are other beings in heavens like Angels, even Jinn transcend to heaven including shayateen (satan). So whose voice was heard saying "this is my beloved son". Can you be so sure it is God's voice. Actually i should ask you, it is God's voice?



Question arise again; what is that clouded voice that said those words?

Now, another critical problem is Matthew 3:16-17 and 17:5 are speaking in form of a narration. That's, a person narrating the story and definitely the person is not God nor Jesus. Is Matthew Jesus's disciple? Who wrote those words in 3:16-27 and 17:5?

Think brother, think

Angels are servants of God as well as the servants of Jesus too. God is the one that said that. Moreover Matthew was one of His disciple. The Spirit of God is the Holy Spirit. Jesus never said satan was in heaven. I reaffirm again that God made that two statements. Or who did you think made it,satan,Jinn or who? Tell me.

Empiree:
I got that. I am not saying you are. That's why I said "christian". Cant you see I quoted it?

okay,pls use disciple of Jesus rather than "christian",that is my identity

11 Then Jesus said, "A man had two sons. 12 The younger of them said to his father, 'Father, give me the share of the estate that will belong to me.' So he divided his assets between them. 13 After a few days, the younger son gathered together all he had and left on a journey to a distant country, and there he squandered his wealth with a wild lifestyle. 14 Then after he had spent everything, a severe famine took place in that country, and he began to be in need. 15 So he went and worked for one of the citizens of that country, who sent him to his fields to feed pigs. 16 He was longing to eat the carob pods the pigs were eating, but no one gave him anything. 17 But when he came to his senses he said, 'How many of my father's hired workers have food enough to spare, but here I am dying from hunger! 18 I will get up and go to my father and say to him, "Father, I have sinned against heaven and against you. 19 I am no longer worthy to be called your son; treat me like one of your hired workers."' 20 So he got up and went to his father. But while he was still a long way from home his father saw him, and his heart went out to him; he ran and hugged his son and kissed him. 21 Then his son said to him, 'Father, I have sinned against heaven and against you; I am no longer worthy to be called your son.' 22 But the father said to his slaves, 'Hurry! Bring the best robe, and put it on him! Put a ring on his finger and sandals on his feet! 23 Bring the fattened calf and kill it! Let us eat and celebrate, 24 because this son of mine was dead, and is alive again - he was lost and is found!' So they began to celebrate.
Luke 15:11-24.
I know this story is a familiar story to virtually everyone. The prodigal son story is a parable Jesus gave to explain about the kingdom.
According to the parable,
God -the father
Prodigal son -the people of the world,
Servants -the angels,
Famine -situations that God creates to make the earth uncomfortable so that you can think of uniting back with God,
Wealth -scheme created by the devil to make you comfortable on this earth and never to think of Home,uniting back with your father,
The far country -the world,planet earth.
The Father(God) wants us to come home. He is always looking out for our return. He won't force you. One unique thing God created with man was THE POWER TO MAKE CHOICE.
As his father never forced the prodigal son to come home,God wont force. Your willingness is the only thing that can take you home.
In this world,there are many distractions to make you remain on this earth. The devil is working tirelessly to make you to choose this earth over heaven,your home. God also presents opportunities to you reminding you of home. Firstly,He sent Jesus and after that He also sent the Holy ghost to teach you and guide you into all truth.
Your response to life determines your willingness to go home. No wonder, Jesus said that For whoever wants to save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for my sake will find it.
Matt 16:25.
There are many programs and research men has undergone and undergoing to save their life in this world.
In every decision you make,you either choose to LOSE YOUR LIFE IN THIS WORLD OR SAVE IT.
Every situation you find your self is always orchestrated to choose whether TO SAVE OR LOSE YOUR LIFE IN THIS WORLD.
For Jesus He was tempted to save His at every point in time. He was tempted by the devil to save His life. The devil asked Jesus to save His life by turning stone to bread because He was hungry.
He was tempted when Peter said He was not going to die. From that time on Jesus began to show his disciples that he must go to Jerusalem and suffer many things at the hands of the elders, chief priests, and experts in the law, and be killed, and on the third day be raised.
Matt 16:21
He also tempted Him at the cross, when He was asked to save Himself. They said, He saved other people and He can't save Himself.
In order to gain eternal life you must lose your life in this world.
Did you know why Jesus rebuke Peter? It was because Jesus wanted to go home and be united with His Father. Something He has being longing for. Peter wanted Him not to return to His Father,He wanted Him to be comfortable on this earth.
Peter also wanted Jesus to save His life,continuing living on this earth. But Jesus taught us to lose our lifes in this world.
For whoever wants to save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for my sake will find it.
Matt 16:25.
WEALTH. The most important and effective tool used by the devil to make people comfortable on earth. No wonder,Jesus said you can't serve God and mammon(money,wealth). He also asked us not to lay up treasures where moth can destroy and thieves can break in(laying up treasures on earth) but rather lay up your treasures in heaven(your home). No wonder,Jesus encouraged the poor,He never castigated them,His ministry was even to the poor Luke 4:18
Then he looked up at his disciples and said: "Blessed are you who are poor, for the kingdom of God belongs to you.
Luke 6:20
I plead with you today to lose your life in this world. Pls love God and ne homesick. How will you be comfortable on this earth,God is waiting for your return.
Before heaven can be your home,you must first believe in God and Jesus His son He sent. And also continue in His words/teachings and accept His words like a little child.
Where you can find His words. In Matthew,Mark,Luke and John only and not in the book of revelation.

Empiree:
And have you taken your time to read Islamic view of Jesus(p)?. I mean The Qur'an?. You will finally realize Muslims are truly the disciples of Jesus just as much as you trying to be. Pick up English copy of Quran and read story of Jesus and compare it to what you now believe as a mere disciple of Jesus. Give it a try

Muslims or Islam does not have the same beliefs as i do. I believe Jesus words only not even the bible. Jesus is the son of God,not a servant neither a messenger. He said He lay down His life Himself and He can take it up again,can't a servant or messenger say that. Muslims don't believe with in Jesus words as recorded in Matthew,Mark,Luke and Jesus

11 Then Jesus said, "A man had two sons. 12 The younger of them said to his father, 'Father, give me the share of the estate that will belong to me.' So he divided his assets between them. 13 After a few days, the younger son gathered together all he had and left on a journey to a distant country, and there he squandered his wealth with a wild lifestyle. 14 Then after he had spent everything, a severe famine took place in that country, and he began to be in need. 15 So he went and worked for one of the citizens of that country, who sent him to his fields to feed pigs. 16 He was longing to eat the carob pods the pigs were eating, but no one gave him anything. 17 But when he came to his senses he said, 'How many of my father's hired workers have food enough to spare, but here I am dying from hunger! 18 I will get up and go to my father and say to him, "Father, I have sinned against heaven and against you. 19 I am no longer worthy to be called your son; treat me like one of your hired workers."' 20 So he got up and went to his father. But while he was still a long way from home his father saw him, and his heart went out to him; he ran and hugged his son and kissed him. 21 Then his son said to him, 'Father, I have sinned against heaven and against you; I am no longer worthy to be called your son.' 22 But the father said to his slaves, 'Hurry! Bring the best robe, and put it on him! Put a ring on his finger and sandals on his feet! 23 Bring the fattened calf and kill it! Let us eat and celebrate, 24 because this son of mine was dead, and is alive again - he was lost and is found!' So they began to celebrate.
Luke 15:11-24.
I know this story is a familiar story to virtually everyone. The prodigal son story is a parable Jesus gave to explain about the kingdom.
According to the parable,
God -the father
Prodigal son -the people of the world,
Servants -the angels,
Famine -situations that God creates to make the earth uncomfortable so that you can think of uniting back with God,
Wealth -scheme created by the devil to make you comfortable on this earth and never to think of Home,uniting back with your father,
The far country -the world,planet earth.
The Father(God) wants us to come home. He is always looking out for our return. He won't force you. One unique thing God created with man was THE POWER TO MAKE CHOICE.
As his father never forced the prodigal son to come home,God wont force. Your willingness is the only thing that can take you home.
In this world,there are many distractions to make you remain on this earth. The devil is working tirelessly to make you to choose this earth over heaven,your home. God also presents opportunities to you reminding you of home. Firstly,He sent Jesus and after that He also sent the Holy ghost to teach you and guide you into all truth.
Your response to life determines your willingness to go home. No wonder, Jesus said that For whoever wants to save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for my sake will find it.
Matt 16:25.
There are many programs and research men has undergone and undergoing to save their life in this world.
In every decision you make,you either choose to LOSE YOUR LIFE IN THIS WORLD OR SAVE IT.
Every situation you find your self is always orchestrated to choose whether TO SAVE OR LOSE YOUR LIFE IN THIS WORLD.
For Jesus He was tempted to save His at every point in time. He was tempted by the devil to save His life. The devil asked Jesus to save His life by turning stone to bread because He was hungry.
He was tempted when Peter said He was not going to die. From that time on Jesus began to show his disciples that he must go to Jerusalem and suffer many things at the hands of the elders, chief priests, and experts in the law, and be killed, and on the third day be raised.
Matt 16:21
He also tempted Him at the cross, when He was asked to save Himself. They said, He saved other people and He can't save Himself.
In order to gain eternal life you must lose your life in this world.
Did you know why Jesus rebuke Peter? It was because Jesus wanted to go home and be united with His Father. Something He has being longing for. Peter wanted Him not to return to His Father,He wanted Him to be comfortable on this earth.
Peter also wanted Jesus to save His life,continuing living on this earth. But Jesus taught us to lose our lifes in this world.
For whoever wants to save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for my sake will find it.
Matt 16:25.
WEALTH. The most important and effective tool used by the devil to make people comfortable on earth. No wonder,Jesus said you can't serve God and mammon(money,wealth). He also asked us not to lay up treasures where moth can destroy and thieves can break in(laying up treasures on earth) but rather lay up your treasures in heaven(your home). No wonder,Jesus encouraged the poor,He never castigated them,His ministry was even to the poor Luke 4:18
Then he looked up at his disciples and said: "Blessed are you who are poor, for the kingdom of God belongs to you.
Luke 6:20
I plead with you today to lose your life in this world. Pls love God and ne homesick. How will you be comfortable on this earth,God is waiting for your return.
Before heaven can be your home,you must first believe in God and Jesus His son He sent. And also continue in His words/teachings and accept His words like a little child.
Where you can find His words. In Matthew,Mark,Luke and John only and not in the book of revelation.

Peritus:
Were they not called Christians because they followed or behaved like Christ, and not because there was a religion called Christianity.
Whosoever follows the way of Christ is like Christ and so, is a Christian.

The name Christians was used to mock followers of Jesus. Jesus never gave them a name like that. Jesus said the world does not know Him and will this same world define your identity. All Jesus called them is disciples even friends. I rather stay with the name the truth calls his followers .

Empiree:
Good job.

You clearly established FACT here that Christians don't understand. At underlined is evidence of "Jesus is God" in christiandom. Underlined actually means the highlighted part which is the way muslims understood it.

Scholar8200, do you agree with him?. "I and my Father are one" which christians use as proof of Jesus is God is understood differently by your fellow "christian". It is the same way muslims understood the phrase, PURPOSE.

I am not a Christian,can't you get it. Pls respect my opinion. I don't do religion

Empiree:
I didnt hide the fact thast I am. I thought i told you before.


You have 2 problems here. First, you used capital letter H for Jesus, may I ask you why is that?. Second, "son of God, can you explain in what sense what it means please?


Where did God "confirmed" it twice...references please?


I imagine this is the reference, correct?. Well, provide biblical evidence first before i proceed. Thank you

And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him: 17 And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased. Matthew 3:16-17
While he yet spake, behold, a bright cloud overshadowed them: and behold a voice out of the cloud, which said, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased; hear ye him. Matthew 17:5. Sorry for the typographical error, it should be Son of God

Empiree:
What is sonship?. That's the sin you commit.

I now get you. I think you are a muslim. Jesus called Himself the son of God,even God confirmed it twice. At the baptism, He said this is my beloved son,in whom i am well pleased. Also at the transfiguration,He said this is my beloved son,hear ye him.

johnw74:
@bold doesn't make sense, you say you are not a Christian, that you are a disciple of Jesus and you follow Him.
Christian means follower of Jesus Christ


Christian:

G5546

Χριστιανός
Christianos
khris-tee-an-os'
From G5547; a Christian, that is, follower of Christ: - Christian.
Total KJV occurrences: 3



Because some who call themselves Christians are not, and because some Pastors WHO call themselves christians are not, doesn't mean Disciples of Jesus Christ are not called Christians:

Act_26:28 Then Agrippa said unto Paul, Almost thou persuadest me to be a Christian.

1Pe_4:16 Yet if any man suffer as a Christian, let him not be ashamed; but let him glorify God on this behalf.

Act_11:26 And when he had found him, he brought him unto Antioch. And it came to pass, that a whole year they assembled themselves with the church, and taught much people. And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch.



A Christian is a follower of Jesus Christ.
As for me, I'm very happy to be named after Him: "A Christian".







Jesus said to Ananais in a vision concerning Paul:

Act 9:15 But the Lord said unto him, Go thy way: for he is a chosen vessel unto me, to bear my name before the Gentiles, and kings, and the children of Israel:

Barnabas said to the Disciples and Apostles concerning Paul:

Act 9:26 And when Saul was come to Jerusalem, he assayed to join himself to the disciples: but they were all afraid of him, and believed not that he was a disciple.
Act 9:27 But Barnabas took him, and brought him to the apostles, and declared unto them how he had seen the Lord in the way, and that he had spoken to him, and how he had preached boldly at Damascus in the name of Jesus.
Act 9:28 And he was with them coming in and going out at Jerusalem.

Jesus never called His disciples Christians,Jesus never founded Christianity. Christians follow the bible but his disciples don't. They always follow Jesus words only not the bible. Disciples of Jesus don't follow Paul because Paul is a stranger and the voice of a stranger,they don't follow. Please read my new post to see more. SOME OF THE BELIEFS OF THE DISCIPLES OF JESUS.

Empiree:
Got you. The one thing you successfully convinced is the fact that CHRISTIANITY WAS NOT FOUNDED BY JESUS. That's just true.

However, practically you are unable to convince me your practices is any different from christians even though you do not call yourself by that. You still believe in Jesus is son of God like Christians do. You indirectly believe in Jesus godhead, godson, etc. Unless you can explain your understanding of what "me and my father are one" means. You believe that, right? . What does it mean?

29 My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all, and no one can snatch them from my Father's hand. 30 The Father and I are one."
John 10:29-30. Jesus said His father and Him are one. They are united in purpose,Jesus came to do the will of God. He obeys His voice.He does what He sees the Father do.

rexben:
Hmmm! I will follow Jesus and will use all means to witness about God's love to mankind. I will also reveal lies of Christianity

. The word shepherd(POIMEN) in John 10:16 is the same word Pastor (POIMEN) in Ephesians 4:11. Shepherd is another name for pastor vice versa. According to John 10:16,there is only one shepherd/pastor and one flock. The shepherd/pastor which is Jesus alone.

stonemasonn:
Nice one

Pls, i made a mistake earlier but i have corrected it.
Mistake- They are CHRISTIANS
Correction -They are not CHRISTIANS.
Sorry for the mistake

Varagous:
true

Pls, i made a mistake earlier but i have corrected it.
Mistake- They are CHRISTIANS
Correction -They are not CHRISTIANS.
Sorry for the mistake.

Empiree:
okay cool. What's Jesus teaching about Sonship, what does it mean?

He said many things. He said He is the son of God, He and His father are one. What He sees His Father do,He do. And what He hears His Father says,He says. He can do nothing of His own accord. Pls what do you want know about sonship,if you want to know better,you have to go to the gospels,Matthew,Mark,Luke and John

orisa37:
But become a Covenant Christ established.

Pls can you expatiate. We want to understand you and your point. Thank you

Empiree:
Got you. This is what I'm trying to establish. You think I don't know christians and Christianity? . 99.99% believe in Sonship of Jesus. They are Unitarian christians. From among this percentage are those who believe Jesus is God. They area called trinitarians.

So if you believe in Mathew, Mark, Luke and John exactly as written, then you aren't different from Unitarian christians. Most christians are trinitarians. You both committing grave sins.

Sorry,you are getting it all wrong. I don't have business with Unitarian christians. The fact i believe and they also believe does not make us the same. I am a disciple of Jesus. I am not a Christian. I hate and detest religion,i always preach against it. All i preach is Jesus,the one religion has tried to hide from man kind. Sorry,if i may ask,which sins am i committing?

Empiree:
You are obviously deceiving yourself. Don't you think?.

Look at the highlighted part, some christians believe in that as well?. As far s I'm concerned you have been unable to establish distinction btw "disciple of Jesus" (as called yourself) and being christian. Not preaching is not the evidence of being "disciple". There are christians who don't peach too. What you doing in the thread is actually preaching by the way . You just don't realize it.

pls check out my new post. SOME BELIEFS OF DISCIPLES OF JESUS AS TAUGHT BY JESUS,THE TEACHER. Pls read with a clear mind.

When you guys want to knock 'Religion', please specify the Religion you are knocking, so that we don't waste our time clicking on a topic that does not concern us.

Furthermore, you cannot condemn all religion; (as your title implies); if you are disenchanted with just one. It's like I have a bad experience with one vehicle and I conclude that all models of all types of vehicle are useless.

All religion are the same,irrespective of the religion. All religion are based on lies. Jesus never brought nor preached RELIGION.Christianity not founded by Jesus. All religion are man made
I am not talking as an atheist. I am a disciple of Jesus that believes in Jesus words only as recorded in Matthew,Mark,Luke,John only

This beliefs are culled and gotten from on Jesus' words. Some of the beliefs of the disciple of Jesus include --
-- They believe and continue in the words of Jesus. And you can only find Jesus' words from the gospels i.e MATTHEW,MARK,LUKE AND JOHN ONLY.
31 Then Jesus said to those Judeans who had believed him, "If you continue to follow my teaching, you are really my disciples 32 and you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free."
John 8:31-32.
--They receives His words like a little child.
I tell you the truth, whoever does not receive the kingdom of God like a child will never enter it."
Mark 10:15.
--They don't follow the voice of a stranger. They don't follow any other words apart from Jesus words because He is their shepherd. They don't follow Paul nor his teachings because he is a stranger.
--They will never follow a stranger, but will run away from him, because they do not recognize the stranger's voice."
John 10:5
--They don't go to church,neither do they belong to any Christian institutions or denominations. Worship has no location. It is neither in temples,nor camp grounds but in Spirit and in truth.
20 Our fathers worshiped on this mountain, and you people say that the place where people must worship is in Jerusalem." 21 Jesus said to her, "Believe me, woman, a time is coming when you will worship the Father neither on this mountain nor in Jerusalem. 22 You people worship what you do not know. We worship what we know, because salvation is from the Jews. 23 But a time is coming - and now is here - when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth, for the Father seeks such people to be his worshipers. 24 God is spirit, and the people who worship him must worship in spirit and truth."
John 4:20-24.
--Jesus is their only shepherd (PASTOR),no man is or has any capability of pastoring or shepherding.
They are not pastors and they don't have any pastor. Jesus is the only PASTOR.
14 "I am the good shepherd. I know my own and my own know me - 15 just as the Father knows me and I know the Father - and I lay down my life for the sheep. 16 I have other sheep that do not come from this sheepfold. I must bring them too, and they will listen to my voice, so that there will be one flock and one shepherd.
John 10:14-16.
--They are not to be called teachers neither are they to call anyone teacher. For is their teacher which is Christ.
But you are not to be called 'Rabbi,' for you have one Teacher and you are all brothers.
Matt 23:8.
--Nor are you to be called 'teacher,' for you have one teacher, the Christ.
Matt 23:10.
--They call no man their father on earth. For one is their Father ,who is in heaven. They don't even ascribe the term or authority FATHER to any man on earth not even their biological father,spiritual father,god father.
And call no one your 'father' on earth, for you have one Father, who is in heaven.
Matt 23:9.
--They have a new family not their biological family because they are born of the Spirit. Born again means to be BORN THE SECOND TIME. So your first birth has been done away with. In this second birth,God is now their Father. Your mother,brother and sister are those that do God's will. A new family,God's family.
48 To the one who had said this, Jesus replied, "Who is my mother and who are my brothers?" 49 And pointing toward his disciples he said, "Here are my mother and my brothers! 50 For whoever does the will of my Father in heaven is my brother and sister and mother."
Matt 12:48-50.
And whoever has left houses or brothers or sisters or father or mother or children or fields for my sake will receive a hundred times as much and will inherit eternal life.
Matt 19:29.
--They are not from this world. They are not citizens of any country on this earth. Not Nigerians,Americans,Chinese,Ghanaian etc.
They do not belong to the world just as I do not belong to the world.
John 17:16.
--They love their enemies,don't pray nor wish their enemies death. They bless those that curse them.
43 "You have heard that it was said, ' Love your neighbor ' and 'hate your enemy.' 44 But I say to you, love your enemy and pray for those who persecute you, 45 so that you may be like your Father in heaven, since he causes the sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous.
Matt 5:43-45.
--They don't resist an evil person,they don't take vengeance at all.
38 "You have heard that it was said, ' An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth .' 39 But I say to you, do not resist the evildoer. But whoever strikes you on the right cheek, turn the other to him as well. 40 And if someone wants to sue you and to take your tunic, give him your coat also. 41 And if anyone forces you to go one mile, go with him two. 42 Give to the one who asks you, and do not reject the one who wants to borrow from you.
Matt 5:38-42.
--They don't swear at all not even in the LAW COURT.
Let your word be 'Yes, yes' or 'No, no.' More than this is from the evil one.
Matt 5:37.
--They don't pray in the open. Not in churches, not in dinning halls.
But whenever you pray, go into your room, close the door, and pray to your Father in secret. And your Father, who sees in secret, will reward you.
Matt 6:6.
--THEY ARE ARE NOT CHRISTIANS, THEY ARE DISCIPLES,STUDENTS AND EVEN FOLLOWERS OF JESUS.
You can get more of this beliefs in the gospels. Matthew,Mark,Luke and John only. And you shall know the truth,and the truth shall set you free. John 8:32o

cckris:
1. You alone CONFIRM yourself to BE a follower of Jesus.
2. Did anyone BAPTISE you?
3. Can you baptise another person?

. Jesus never preached about water baptism at all. The only reason John baptised is to reveal Jesus,we all know He was the forerunner of Jesus. Jesus never taught it neither did He baptise any one. I don't believe in the ritual WATER BAPTISM.

Empiree:
Ask you fellow Christians. That's what they belief. By the way, what's definition of Divinity?


Well, trinitarian Christians will disagree with you.

I am not a CHRISTIAN,i don't believe in religion and i don't preach at all. All i preach is Jesus. I love to witness about Him because i am His follower. I am a disciple of Jesus,i believe in Jesus' words as recorded in Matthew,Mark,Luke and John only.

Empiree:
rexben, do you agree with him?

Jesus never said He was not of the any trinity. He never called Himself God the son. He only said He is the son of God. I don't believe in trinity because Jesus never taught that.

11 Then Jesus said, "A man had two sons. 12 The younger of them said to his father, 'Father, give me the share of the estate that will belong to me.' So he divided his assets between them. 13 After a few days, the younger son gathered together all he had and left on a journey to a distant country, and there he squandered his wealth with a wild lifestyle. 14 Then after he had spent everything, a severe famine took place in that country, and he began to be in need. 15 So he went and worked for one of the citizens of that country, who sent him to his fields to feed pigs. 16 He was longing to eat the carob pods the pigs were eating, but no one gave him anything. 17 But when he came to his senses he said, 'How many of my father's hired workers have food enough to spare, but here I am dying from hunger! 18 I will get up and go to my father and say to him, "Father, I have sinned against heaven and against you. 19 I am no longer worthy to be called your son; treat me like one of your hired workers."' 20 So he got up and went to his father. But while he was still a long way from home his father saw him, and his heart went out to him; he ran and hugged his son and kissed him. 21 Then his son said to him, 'Father, I have sinned against heaven and against you; I am no longer worthy to be called your son.' 22 But the father said to his slaves, 'Hurry! Bring the best robe, and put it on him! Put a ring on his finger and sandals on his feet! 23 Bring the fattened calf and kill it! Let us eat and celebrate, 24 because this son of mine was dead, and is alive again - he was lost and is found!' So they began to celebrate.
Luke 15:11-24.
I know this story is a familiar story to virtually everyone. The prodigal son story is a parable Jesus gave to explain about the kingdom.
According to the parable,
God -the father
Prodigal son -the people of the world,
Servants -the angels,
Famine -situations that God creates to make the earth uncomfortable so that you can think of uniting back with God,
Wealth -scheme created by the devil to make you comfortable on this earth and never to think of Home,uniting back with your father,
The far country -the world,planet earth.
The Father(God) wants us to come home. He is always looking out for our return. He won't force you. One unique thing God created with man was THE POWER TO MAKE CHOICE.
As his father never forced the prodigal son to come home,God wont force. Your willingness is the only thing that can take you home.
In this world,there are many distractions to make you remain on this earth. The devil is working tirelessly to make you to choose this earth over heaven,your home. God also presents opportunities to you reminding you of home. Firstly,He sent Jesus and after that He also sent the Holy ghost to teach you and guide you into all truth.
Your response to life determines your willingness to go home. No wonder, Jesus said that For whoever wants to save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for my sake will find it.
Matt 16:25.
There are many programs and research men has undergone and undergoing to save their life in this world.
In every decision you make,you either choose to LOSE YOUR LIFE IN THIS WORLD OR SAVE IT.
Every situation you find your self is always orchestrated to choose whether TO SAVE OR LOSE YOUR LIFE IN THIS WORLD.
For Jesus He was tempted to save His at every point in time. He was tempted by the devil to save His life. The devil asked Jesus to save His life by turning stone to bread because He was hungry.
He was tempted when Peter said He was not going to die. From that time on Jesus began to show his disciples that he must go to Jerusalem and suffer many things at the hands of the elders, chief priests, and experts in the law, and be killed, and on the third day be raised.
Matt 16:21
He also tempted Him at the cross, when He was asked to save Himself. They said, He saved other people and He can't save Himself.
In order to gain eternal life you must lose your life in this world.
Did you know why Jesus rebuke Peter? It was because Jesus wanted to go home and be united with His Father. Something He has being longing for. Peter wanted Him not to return to His Father,He wanted Him to be comfortable on this earth.
Peter also wanted Jesus to save His life,continuing living on this earth. But Jesus taught us to lose our lifes in this world.
For whoever wants to save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for my sake will find it.
Matt 16:25.
WEALTH. The most important and effective tool used by the devil to make people comfortable on earth. No wonder,Jesus said you can't serve God and mammon(money,wealth). He also asked us not to lay up treasures where moth can destroy and thieves can break in(laying up treasures on earth) but rather lay up your treasures in heaven(your home). No wonder,Jesus encouraged the poor,He never castigated them,His ministry was even to the poor Luke 4:18
Then he looked up at his disciples and said: "Blessed are you who are poor, for the kingdom of God belongs to you.
Luke 6:20
I plead with you today to lose your life in this world. Pls love God and ne homesick. How will you be comfortable on this earth,God is waiting for your return.
Before heaven can be your home,you must first believe in God and Jesus His son He sent. And also continue in His words/teachings and accept His words like a little child.
Where you can find His words. In Matthew,Mark,Luke and John only and not in the book of revelation.

cckris:
THE TRUTH is that, as the Christ, or, in Hebrew, THE ANOINTED, the Entirety of the Spirit of God was in Jesus, & to them that believe in Him Scripturally, MEASURES of the Spirit of God is also given, such that the believers in Jesus are also anointed, or, in Greek, christed. The term Christian has deep Scriptural, as well as Spiritual significance, so manifest that observers, who hitherto called the disciples followers of THE WAY, finally settled to identify them as Christians.

Jesus said if you continue in MY WORDS,not the laws and the prophets,not the epistle,not the book of revelation,not the poetical books etc ,then you are My Disciple. You can only get the words of Jesus in the gospels [MATTHEW,MARK,LUKE AND JOHN] ONLY AND NOT THE ONE RECORDED IN THE BOOK OF REVELATION. Jesus never said the Holy Spirit will be given in measures,Paul said so. Jesus said I will send the Holy Spirit and He will be with you always,He will never leave you.
Jesus never called His disciples Christians, and He said that the voice of a STRANGER,they will not follow. So you don't expect His disciples to follow the voice of strangers tagging them with the name CHRISTIANS.