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kolaish:
Oga! please take it easy o. Calling people of those calibre thieves is not a good thing to say. You can admonish them but certainly not calling them thieves, God should rather be the judge and not you; if they are really what you call them, then let God be the judge, God is never asleep.

What do you call a thief?
Or let me rephrase, why do you call someone you caught stealing?
Exploiting masses, poor masses in the name of God?
I'm not judging. I'm just calling a spade a spade

Who's your shepherd? Jesus or your local pastor?
The word poimen was rendered as shepherd in John 10:16 and as pastor in Eph 4:11. Therefore, a shepherd is a pastor.
If you're a shepherd, you can't be in the flock of Jesus because Jesus don't shepherd shepherds but sheep.
If you've a pastor, you can't belong to the flock of Jesus because the sheep of Jesus has only one pastor which is Jesus.
Who's your shepherd?
Whose flock do you belong to?
To be frank, Jesus has His own flock, Adeboye has his own flock, Joel Osteen has his own flock, Joseph Prince has his own flock, Kenneth Hagin has his own flock etc.
You can't belong to Jesus' flock and Adeboye's flock at the same time

Anybody that tells you that God needs your money is a liar and a thief.
God needs your obedience to His commandments.
If you will give, give to those that don't have, those that can't give you back Luke 14:13-14
Don't give to a church, you're just enriching your GO's bank account.
They lie that you're giving to the work of God. Pls, which work of God are they saying?
God never asked anybody to build any church for Him.
Any pastor that ask you to bring tithe and offerings to church is a thief.
The whole essence of giving is to the poor, strangers, destitute, orphans, widows and not to Pastors or to church.
They say when you give God the tenth percent of your income, God will bless you back.
God is never interested in your money, all He's interested is your soul. Anybody that tells you otherwise is a thief. Matt 16:26
Adeboye encourages people to sow or give to RCCG because it is a fertile land. All I see is a businessman advertising His company or business to people.
Bring the entire tithe into the storehouse so that there may be food in my temple. Test me in this matter," says the Lord who rules over all, "to see if I will not open for you the windows of heaven and pour out for you a blessing until there is no room for it all.
Mal 3:10
Storehouse is place in the temple where food are kept for the poor, foreigners, widows.
Is your church a storehouse? Why do you take your tithe to church?
The poor are not even to partake out of the tithe,it is always forwarded to the church account.
The only money the poor is entitled is the welfare's offering and not tithes.
How many of you are giving to the poor? You rather give to your pastor or sow it as a seed for the construction of the 3m by 3m auditorium. Something God did not ask him to build.

Christians will do everything to disobey Jesus and obey Paul. Paultians

analice107:
Imaooo. A lazy man should not be given food oo.
This man here is lazy, no one give him food.
jeezzzzz

As Jesus was lazy, right?
As His followers that followed Him anywhere and everybody were lazy and jobless?

Scholar8200:
so what does Luke 6:13 mean?

I just checked it. Do you know it was narrated. It was not quoted. He called them apostles and not Jesus said"you're my apostles".

Scholar8200:
so what does Luke 6:13 mean?

I just checked it. Do you it was narrated. It was not quoted. He called them apostles and not Jesus said"you're my apostles"

promise101:
To TAKE AWAY THE CURSE OF THE LAW!

Pls, understand my point before you reply. Thanks

OtemWonyahweh:
What about if someone decides not to follow Jesus? What will happen to the person when he dies?

Why do you ask me this question?
I go about telling people about Jesus not as Christians do. I talk about His love and His teachings. I don't about threatening people, talking of hell or whatever. All i do is witness

Gboyee4fun:
lol, see him that follow Jesus, that is perfect....Go and test those men of God with whom is inside you instead of opening your mouth in ignorance blasphemy them.

These men are not following Jesus. If they are, they will not take up the post of shepherd. Jesus is the only shepherd

All the pastors or self acclaimed men of God are nothing but thieves and robbers. They spent all their lives feasting on people's tithe and offerings.
If they don't repent and follow Jesus, ...

hahn:
I know what you are thinking, "my religion is the right one!"

Well, that is what the adherents of other religions also say and there are 4,199, excluding yours, of them



As you can see, the odds are not in your favour

Let us also put into consideration that there 7 versions of hell, ie 7 religions who also have hell (aside from yours),



the odds are still not in your favor.

But there is hope!

This thread aims at helping you identify if your religion is wrong as to as ensure you make the right choice and not end up in the real hell

In no particular order, here are common signs you can use in detecting if your religion is the true one and also help you identify the true religion if you happen to come across it.

Please note that the true religion will not have any of these traits.

1) Your "holy" book has lots of contradictions: Let us assume for instance that you are about to purchase a maths textbook for your kid, or for yourself, and on the first page you see "1+1=11", wouldn't this be enough to make you feel skeptical? Now, let us further imagine that you turn to the next page and the next and the next and keep seeing contradictions, would you still buy the book and even, in obvious stupidity, go around telling people that 1+1=11?

If your "holy" book has these contradictions, it would be wise to throw it in the trash can. This is an obvious sign that your religion is false.

In order find out if your "holy" book fits into this category, it would be advisable that you read it on your own. Do not rely on heresay, your pastor, imam, holy junkie to read and interpret it on your behalf. Pick it up and read it for yourself

God will be proud of you

2) You find a hard time explaining your religion to other people: Whenever someone else asks you "why" about your religious teachings you seem to find it difficult explaining it to them. No matter how hard and long you try to explain, you always seem to end up at a dead end. Most times, your religious teachings just do not make enough sense when you try explaining it to someone else.

Honestly, if your religion was from the one true "God", it wouldn't be that difficult to explain, now would it?

Afterall, God is not one of confusion.

3) Your religion seems to be plagiarized from other older religions: This one is a hard one to notice especially if you do not have adequate knowledge of other religions. If your religion has similar stories from other older religions then your religion is obviously fake. Afterall, God doesn't copy and paste.

To verify this, you would have to read up on ancient religions and point out the similarities with yours. If there are any, your religion is false.

www.google.com is a good place to start. And it's FREE!

4) You are required to believe without evidence and only faith : So, you want to buy a house and the real estate manager tells you that the house is beautiful and gives you all the specs of the house but tells you that you cannot see the house but that all you have to do is believe the house is there and make payment for the house, will you pay?

Now, apply this analogy to your faith. If someone tells you to believe whatever it is they are talking about without any proof, my bro/sis, na bobo. Pure scam. Do not risk eternity for such vague and unverifiable promises

5) You have never seen your God: Your God seems to be invincible, no one has ever seen it, or you have to carve stones and sticks just to see it then your God is nothing but a project of someone else's imagination. As beautiful and magnificent as the sun is we all see it. If your god was so real we would see it. Trust me, god would have no reason to play hide and seek.

6) Your god's characteristics contradicts itself: Your god is omnipresent but was not there when the first sin took place to prevent it. Your god is omniscient but created the devil to deceive people knowing very well they will end up in hell eventually. Your god is all loving but threatens people to love it or face eternal torture, damnation and barbecue in hell. That is not unconditional love. To know the meaning of the word unconditional, check it yourself @ www.dictionary.com. It is free.

7) Your god needs to be worshiped: Even to the extent of threatening to burn you in hell if you don't. Seriously? God that created everything needs you, a human who happens to be infinitesimal in the grand scheme of the universe, just to feel funky? If your god is truly great, it wouldn't need to servitude and slavery. These are human cravings, not that of a supreme being.

Your god supports slavery, discrimination and genocide: Just look into your holy book. If there are pages where these things are supported then your god is actually a psychopath and if you eventually see it, take it to a psychiatric hospital

9) No one has ever seen the hell or heaven of your religion: This one is kinda tricky because every religion that has hell and heaven also have adherents who have "died" and seen these places. Christians have died and seen Jesus and Jehovah so have Muslims who have died and see Allah and their future 72 virgin wives , Buddhists too etc.

Even you can deduce that there is something fishy here. Did they really see heaven or hell or just projections of their imaginations or are they just plain old lying?

10) There is no where in your holy book where your god refers itself as the god of your people: God of the Ibos? God of the Yorubas? God of the hausas? God of Africans? Have you ever heard your god refer to itself as the god of your people?

I doubt that. It is either it is god of israel or god of arabs of god of indians etc.

If your god is like this then be certain it is not a true god because a true god will not be tribalistic or take sides. After all, it did create everyone, didn't it?

11) You do not know anyone personally that has been healed miraculously by your god: And neither have you. All the "testimonies" are always in church, mosque, radio, tv, blogs, websites but never to you or people around you. You know a crippled in your area but no pastor or imam has ever been able to heal that person just out of the goodness of their heart. Very suspicious I say

12) Your god always needs money: Your pastor says you need money to build a house for god(as if spirits need to live in houses ) or that it needs money before healing you or providing any of it's other services like granting you a job, giving you a wife/husband, kids etc. It sha needs tithes and offering EVERY TIME. I mean how hard can it be for god to make money? Didn't it create everything?

A side effect of this is that the pastors, imams and spiritual junkies who collect these tithes on behalf of your god always seem to wear the finest clothes, ride the best cars, send their kids to the best schools(which 80% of the congregation cannot afford) and enjoy all the canal things of earth while you wait for paradise in heaven. Nigu

I will stop here for now. But these tips should be enough to guide you and help you avoid following the wrong religion, finding the right one and not ending up in hell.

Source: Na me write am. You dey find your own?

No religion of the world is created or founded by God. All are manmade.
Come out of every religion and follow Jesus. He is the way to the Father. Religion, not even Christianity can't take you to God.
Christianity presents itself to be presenting God but they can't.
Only Jesus represented God and He asked people to follow His footsteps.
Once again, quit religion

jnrbayano:
Witnesses?

How did you know what they witnessed was Jesus?

You shall want to ascribe glory and honour and majesty to the bible. Contunu!
For me and all disciples of Jesus, the bible is just a book like others books. All that matters is the words of Jesus

jnrbayano:
Witnesses?

How did you know what they witnessed was Jesus?

How do you know your gender?
When you were a baby, how do you know how to crawl?

lonzo:
Hello rexben

The Husband being the head if God order for the Family

It's not evil in anyway.

God is the head of Christ
Christ the head of the Man
The Man The head of the Woman

That's just the divine order

The man is held accountable for the Family that's why it's a position of responsibility and service.

I understand some men has bastardised the system and made a mockery of women but that's not the case here. Being submissive doesn't mean the woman is a fool or a mat to step on. The man whose head is Christ never takes his woman for granted.

I quite understand your christian view but it is very wrong.
I have a question for you; if you have two containers of water, then you emptied them to a larger container. How many containers do you now have?
If two shall become one. They're one. You can't separate them, you can't distribute roles to them. They share everything together. If the husband is the head, the wife is equally the head.

ayoku777:
Are you reading what I'm writing at all, and the scriptures I've been quoting?

Jesus was not a criminal or a sinner, but He took responsibility for our sins, and our iniquities were laid upon Him.

Isa 53:6 All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.

So the Father judged Him in our place as the sinner and the criminal.

That's why the scriptures said, He was numbered with (reckoned among) the transgressors.

Isa 53:12 Therefore will I divide him a portion with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong; because he hath poured out his soul unto death: and he was numbered with the transgressors; and he bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors.

Jesus Himself said so in the gospels;

Luk 22:37 For I say unto you, that this that is written must yet be accomplished in me, And he was reckoned among the transgressors: for the things concerning me have an end.

Jesus was not a criminal or a sinner, but He took our sins and our iniquities were laid upon Him, so He was judged on our behalf as the one who sinned.

Stop arguing with something that can be proved with so many scriptures. Because now it's the scriptures you're arguing with.

Shalom

Lets start from here, what did Jesus say He came to do?

RobinHez:
So your point is??

What do you mean?

jnrbayano:
No connection with my questions.

I heard about Jesus through witnesses. The writings of the word of Jesus is a witness.
How did i get the bible?
If the words of Jesus was not found in the bible, then i don't need the bible.
The bible is not the word of God

Scholar8200:
Is this deliberate or inadvertent?

New International Version
When morning came, he called his disciples to him and chose twelve of them, whom he also designated apostles: Luke 6:13

Yes, He calls all to salvation but not all are Apostles.

It was a mistake. I meant Jesus never called His disciples apostles.

ayoku777:
He was made a curse for us, just as He was made sin for us

2Co 5:21 For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

Isa 53:6 All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.

He took our humanity, our sin and our curse, and died on the cross. And He rose and gave us His life, righteousness and blessings.

Shalom.

So, Jesus was cursed by God, right?
Criminals were hanged, so they are cursed by God because they're criminals not because they are hanged.
Was Jesus a criminal?

ayoku777:
This is the original rendition of that text;

Deu 21:23 His body shall not remain all night upon the tree, but thou shalt in any wise bury him that day; (for he that is hanged is accursed of God; ) that thy land be not defiled, which the LORD thy God giveth thee for an inheritance.

And the phrase "for he that is hanged is accursed of God " is the hebrew "Talah qelalah Elohiym". Which translates exactly as it was phrased in the KJV.

If the phrase were to be "he that is LEFT HANGING is accursed of God." or "he that REMAINS HANGING is accursed of God. " ; as you said,

Then the word "yathar" (left or left behind ) or "shawar" (remain) would have been added before "talah" (hanging or to hang). But the hebrew text wasn't phrased that way.

So that verse is not "he that is LEFT HANGING is accursed of God." It is exactly as the KJV translated it;

Deu 21:23 His body shall not remain all night upon the tree, but thou shalt in any wise bury him that day; (for he that is hanged is accursed of God; ) that thy land be not defiled, which the LORD thy God giveth thee for an inheritance.

Shalom

Are you saying Jesus is accursed because you're are claiming Jesus was cursed by God.
So I want you to understand that no one speaking by the Spirit of God says, "Jesus is cursed," and no one can say, "Jesus is Lord," except by the Holy Spirit.
1 Cor 12:3
Looking at it, Jesus was not a criminal. Or was He?

jnrbayano:
1) How did you know that Jesus actually existed?

2) How did you get the bible with which you found these words of Jesus you talk about? It fell from heaven and rested on your reading table. No?

Everybody has a witness of God. There is something in you that say there is God. Atheist fights the witness. I knew Jesus through His words. Thank God His words were written and recorded in the bible.
The writings of Jesus' words being in the bible does not makes the bible the word of God.
Can you call a textbook that the words of Jesus were quoted there the word of God? Practically, can you call a theologian textbook the word of God because the words of Jesus are quoted there?
God chose to keep the words of Jesus in the bible.

Mescopaul:
Ok, there's no problem pls... I told u before that am not ready for this.
The Rapture would soon take place. I have less time to prepare for that than to argue here. We will all know the truth when we get to HEAVEN.

Thanks.

You're smart. I know one thing for sure that God will be justified on the last day, you won't say you weren't witnessed to.

Millerz:
Sane people are really an endangered species in Nigeria currently.

Can you pls come out plain?

mejai:
U urself has answered ur question. what is holy bible and what is all scriptures?









Apostle Paul wants to make it known to u dat from Genesis to Revelation were all written under d holy spirit of Almighty Jehovah. none was written by their brain abi initiative

Here Paul spoke as a man, not as the Lord. So, he spoke according to his brain abi initiative.
To the rest I say - I, not the Lord - if a brother has a wife who is not a believer and she is happy to live with him, he should not divorce her.
1 Cor 7:12
Was Genesis to Revelation written or canonized as at when Paul was writing his second letter to Timothy? Think!

Scholar8200:
Interesting!!! So was Jesus living by faith all the while HE was a Carpenter? Answer! Was He therefore violating that portion which you misinterpreted by working as a Carpenter (think twice laddie before answering).

And you here referring to the Apostles, are you called to be one? (Better not say yes to this!)

You haven't answered my question. Jesus is calling everyone. Jesus never called the 12 apostles, He called them friends, disciples, sheep, little flock etc. Jesus called me and His calling everybody.

lordnicklaus:
Paul was quoting a Greek translation of the Old Testament. He quoted it correctly. Jesus bore the curse of sin by becoming a sacrificial lamb.

This excuse of quoting Greek translation is inconsistent. Pls, can you provide the Greek translation? Why do you rely on the Greek translation over the original translation which is the Hebrew bible(Pentecostals call it Old testament)?
I understand your plight, Paul can't be wrong, right?
If you like give excuses from now to forever for Paul that doesn't change the fact that He is a liar and a thief.

Scholar8200:
Do you realize Jesus was a Carpenter (Mark 6:3)? Who are you following mr?

What was Jesus doing during His last three and half years of His life? Carpentry works abi?
What did Zebedee's sons do when He called them?
What did Matthew do when He called him? Did he go back to his tax collecting job?
When Jesus calls you, He wants you to forsake all and follow Him Luke 14:33

ayoku777:
The principle of the man being the head in a marriage has nothing to do in relation to the fall and it is not a product of the curse. This is purely about organisational order in any God-ordained institution.

Just like the Father is the head of Jesus, and Jesus is the head of the man, the man is also the head of the woman.

1Cor 11:3 -But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.

Is The Father the head of Christ because of the curse too? Remember Jesus and the Father are also one.

John 10:30 -I and my Father are one.

And even though they are one, the Father is the head of Christ. It is so in marriage too. It is the principle of organisational order in institutions.

No matter how equal two people are, they can't both sit in front when they ride together on a horse. They will end up not getting anywhere. Someone must sit in front and hold the rein of the horse, while the other sits right behind and holds the one holding the rein. It's a God-ordained natural order.

And in the institution (or horse) of marriage, it is the man God gave to sit in front and hold the reins. This is not a position of dominion and subjugation, but of responsibility and service. The one to chart a Spirit-led course for the direction of the home and also to take the first and heaviest hit for whatever arrow (or challenge) comes their way.

The All-Wise God who instituted marriage also established that order for it. A similar order to what exists in heaven between Him and Christ.

And two things can make that order crumble,

1. If you have a man who is not holding the reins in love and service as Christlikeness demands.

2. Or if you have a woman dragging the reins with the man, as if it's a position of class.

So the advice I will give to Christian brothers and sisters getting ready to enter the institution of marriage is;

>> Pursue Christlikeness like your life depended on it. You need to be the quality you want in your partner, lest you become a hypocrite.

>> Make Christlikeness your number one turn on in the person you want to marry. He or she must have as much passion for Christ as you do. Lest you end up in a frustrating unequally yoked marriage. Every other quality should just be an added bonus.

When Christlikeness becomes the highest pursuit of married or "about to marry" believers, being the head or the neck will not be an issue of class but of order unto effective service. And loving and submitting would be done in a restful atmosphere of joy and happiness, not of competition.

Shalom

I actually enjoyed your comment. You can't compare God's relationship with that of man. This concept of the man is to be the head does not originates from God. I get your point but physical things can never be adequate in defining Spiritual things.
Pls, don't see this with your church mind.
Two will become one. Lets take a practical example, who is the head among Taiwo and Kehinde?
This is God's concept and not man. The two are one, they're equal in everything and anything.
It is like just pouring two containers of water into one. It is no longer to containers of water but rather one.
Jesus is the head of both the husband and the wife.
Pls, can you be the head of yourself?

"All scriptures is given by the inspiration of God"?
This very verse has made Christian scholars and Christians generally to be believe that the bible is the word of God or the bible was inspired by God.
These exertions are very wrong on many basis.
First off, scriptures as it was used by Paul in 2Tim 3:16, was referring to the Hebrew scriptures (what Pentecostal Christians call the old testament). As at the time Paul was writing this letter to Timothy, there was nothing called the Holy Bible. Paul definitely was not referring to his letter to Timothy as scriptures.
According to the explanation above, Paul when talking about all scriptures, he was not referring to the Holy Bible.

Scholar8200:
That clause is figurative. However, the emotional, intellectual and/or physical exertion is not missing from any vocation.

figurative you say? If that is figurative, then other "curses" are figurative too

Paul and his mysterious quotations. He almost never quoted accurately.
Let's see one of his dubious works.
Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us (because it is written, " Cursed is everyone who hangs on a tree "
Gal 3:13
It is crystal clear that Paul got this from the old testament. He said "because it is written"
So, let's go to the old testament.
22 If a person commits a sin punishable by death and is executed, and you hang the corpse on a tree, 23 his body must not remain all night on the tree; instead you must make certain you bury him that same day, for the one who is left exposed on a tree is cursed by God. You must not defile your land which the Lord your God is giving you as an inheritance.
Deut 21:22-23
When a criminal is hung, his corpse must not remain on the tree through the night but if the corpse is left on the tree through the night, the person will be cursed by God.
Paul is now saying that it is written that "cursed is everyone who hangs on a tree". I wonder where he got this his version from. It is clear that Paul was lying. Paul is a thief.
Jesus was hung on the tree but His body was not left on the tree through the night. Therefore Jesus was not cursed by God. Matt 27:57-60
This negates Gal 3:13, If the Christ Paul was referring to is Jesus, then Jesus did not redeem you from curse by becoming a curse for you.
And he said, "Whoever has ears to hear had better listen!"
Mark 4:9
Quit following Paul and follow Jesus. You can't follow both.