₦airaland Forum

tonychristopher:
Your now talking, for you to be at home with igbo means that you have the same way of life and language with them, the same way tiger will be at home with leprads




So you are now cleared about the igboness of Ika


GenIgrigi ,OgologoDimkpa, InyinyaAgbaOku,chibecanglobal,Radoillo,nwadiuko1 AND SOME OTHER notable people that know culture like IyfeNamikaze to talk on this.

Ika migrated from owerri, from my own perception considering the dialect similarity and I know of the historical fact , but i know that there is benin influence during the apex of benin empire but that doesnt mean that Ika are benin, that will be the highest lie. Ika are just igbo speaking clan with edo nuances just like Aro is igbo speaking clan with efik nuances and Nsuka is igbo speaking clan with Benue nuances and non of these are confused about their origin apart from some Ika

NOT ALL ARE THS CONFUSED

MayorofLagos:
I have corrected you repeatedly that,

1. Iboland was the property of a British trading company and you were never a member of Southern Nigeria until the colonialists paid some cash to purchase your land.

2. The Crown entered into treaty with the Kings of each and every Kingdom that formed Southern Nigeria, except Iboland, which as I said above was a purchase.

This means the Kingdoms in these treaties were already sovereigns.

Stop rewriting the history of Southern Nigeria. Common amongst the territories of Southern Nigeria is a treaty signed with British Crown promising trade and security.

Radoillo:
Getting unbiased proof is such a hard thing when you're dealing with oral tradition. The best one can do is collect traditions from as many sources as possible, and then critically evaluate them. Much of what you have already posted (from Onyeche's work) is based on intelligence reports written by Simpson et al in the 1930s.

I'd suggest you read (if you haven't read it yet) Chief Iduwe's unpublished manuscript on the history of Agbor. You can find it online in pdf format. Iduwe himself was an Agbor man, and a high-ranking chief who spent decades collecting oral traditions before finally finishing the manuscript in the 1970s. So the work is rather very informative (with its flaws of course). I don't think there is another comprehensive history of Agbor out there besides Iduwe's.

Interestingly, Iduwe rejects the theory of Bini origin for Agbor, but rather claims autochthony. Here and there he hinted that the Agbors were of common stock with the East Niger Igbos, but never quite stated it explicitly.

Radoillo:
Getting unbiased proof is such a hard thing when you're dealing with oral tradition. The best one can do is collect traditions from as many sources as possible, and then critically evaluate them. Much of what you have already posted (from Onyeche's work) is based on intelligence reports written by Simpson et al in the 1930s.

I'd suggest you read (if you haven't read it yet) Chief Iduwe's unpublished manuscript on the history of Agbor. You can find it online in pdf format. Iduwe himself was an Agbor man, and a high-ranking chief who spent decades collecting oral traditions before finally finishing the manuscript in the 1970s. So the work is rather very informative (with its flaws of course). I don't think there is another comprehensive history of Agbor out there besides Iduwe's.

Interestingly, Iduwe rejects the theory of Bini origin for Agbor, but rather claims autochthony. Here and there he hinted that the Agbors were of common stock with the East Niger Igbos, but never quite stated it explicitly.

tonychristopher:
but we know that most people ran away from the king were either wanted by the king or commited crimes in old benin empire and that made them felloms or fugitives that came into igbo speaking areas of ika and were given refugee status. they eventually assimilated by the igbo speaking people...

answer my questions

tonychristopher:
Why do you enjoy lies..This is why I will not believe whatever you say. I lived in benin also around Egor so i know these areas well. I dont think i can continue with this conversation. but I have to correct your lies

The Bini people have four market days: Ekioba, Ekenaka, Agbado and Eken.



Bye

tonychristopher:
YOU DO NOT NEED TO TELL ME THAT, I KNOW ANIOMA MORE THAN YOU, I LIVED IN WARRI MARRIED FROM IGBO SPEAKING PART OF DELTA


ANSWER MY QUESTIONS PLS


WHY IS IT OBI IN IKA NOT OVIE OR OBA
WHY DO THEY SPEAK IGBO DIALECT AND NOT EDO DIALECT
WHAT ARE THEIR MARKET DAYS
WHAT ARE THE MEANING OF BASE WORDS IN IKA SUCH AS BOY, MAN, WOMAN, FOOD, HOUSE, ELDER ETC





PLS ANSWER THESE QUESTIONS NEATLY AND DONT AVOID IT, IF WE CAN CONTINUE WITH THIS DISCUSSION

tonychristopher:
THIS IS NOT ANIOMA ISSUE BECAUSE MANY ANIOMA ARE NOT CONFUSED IN THEIR IGBO ORIGIN, THIS IS ABOUT IDENTITY COMPLEX OF IKA AND CONFUSION, SO STICK TO YOUR TOPIC AND REDUCE COPY AND PASTE MENTALITY

YOU HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE TO TELL ME HOW IKA ENDED UP SPEAKING A DIALECT OF IGBO WITH IGBO MARKET DAYS

tonychristopher:
IF ANIOMA IS NOT IN IGBO AGENDA WHY DO APEX IGBO ORGANIZATION HAVE ANIMA SONS LIKE UTOMI...ETS..IGBOS DONT HAVE ISSUES WITH ANIOMA...STOP DRAGGING ALL ANIOMA IN YOUR MADNESS.


THIS IS ABOUT IKA NOT ANIOMA, YOU CREATED THE THREAD DRAGGED ME HERE NW YOU ARE DERAILING THE THREAD. ARE THIS CONFUSED

pazienza:
Any evidence to prove that Ndiigbo opposed the creation of Anioma state, or did you pull that poo off your ass?

MayorofLagos:
@op,
very informative piece, good job!

Look, let me tell you something....there are two ways to lock down Ibo's ego and overkill ambition.

First lets take a psychoanalytic look at Ibo.

1. He is not gifted in self reflection and restraint and thus is led foremost by his impulse to act, he only thinks afterwards, by which time relationships that deserve to be cherished and managed is damaged and ruined.

2. He is developmentally challenged in aspects of social order and ascent.

So how do you deal with him?

Two ways.

1. You can do what the Hausas do to him in North....which is to confront him physically and subjugate him to a position of "The Victim"! This is a direct class warfare and in the end Ibo accepts the Hausa as a upper class and submits himself to fate dictated by his oppressor. In other words, Ibo sees himself as "The Victim!

2. You can do what the Yorubas do to him in West....that is, give him access to what he wants and make it rewarding, then rope it around him in a way that detachment is almost impossible. In that aspect, the one who holds key to the reward also control the behavior of the seeker. In this end, the Yorubas created a labor class that is highly enriched and from whom it derives its own enrichment effortlessly. In this relationship, Ibo has come to recognize Yorubaland as their milk and honey and are so tightly attached to it that they have surrendered their fate and future to Yorubaland and begin to call it their own. Ibos have thus accepted Yorubas as the ruling class and thus always beg them to be accepted for inclusion in the administration.

Anytime the government try to industrialize and develop Iboland Yoruba leaders, same one that call themselves Ibo friends, go behind and kill the project. If Iboland develop, Yoruba policy to have a labor class in Yorubaland will be defeated as Ibos return home....therefore Yorubas develop Yorubaland and tell Ibo to come to West and use it...you dont need one in East.


So where does this put the Ika people?

First, you are claiming you are not Ibo but you continue to name your children Ikechukwu, Nnaji, Emeka, Iheneacho, Ifeanyi, ....if you come to Yorubaland and say " I am Ifeanyi" from Ika and Im not Ibo, how do you expect me to believe you?

Until you dissociate your social identity from Ibo...name, language, dressing, customs, ....you remain Ibo, I dont care if you are from Oshogbo!

francizy:

You people are saying all these because we are peace loving people. I wish you people were a minority in the northern part of the country, you would have been forced to not only abandon your culture, your language but also your religion, after which you wouldn't still be made to feel among them due to some kind of discrimination.

I believe you are not trying to justify what happens in the North, It is totally repulsive and shameful that people should be killed over ethnicity or religion, but even as it were, national unity should not be an opportunity for others to force themselves on you.. With the ongoing campaign of Igbos claiming SE/SS I felt it was time we analyse it properly. If not for our sakes, but for the sakes of future generations

Personally, I don't know why the Igbo guys here are trying to paint it like we're related when you people always say that we ain't. In my secondary school days, I recalled one Delta Igbo guy telling me that this isn't the case of Biafra that they are not our brothers. I was dumb founded because I never called him or his tribe out as belonging to or being part of us.

He could be your brother on a national level, but tribally he said he wasn't.. And he was correct
If all my people will be reasonable, they should die this matter and forget about who originated from where because it doesn't matter. You can't force one to be a part of you.

I leave this, you only feel oppressed because you choose to and the real people facing oppression would wish to be in your shoes.

Bye

Nobody feels oppressed, the Ikas are a minority in delta state.. That is enough trouble.

internetpirate:
Mr. Rexbuton, in my little experience, it is difficult to change someone's mind, especiaLly if it has been seared by propaganda. The danger with arguments is that anyone can take a position (however erroneous) and find substance to argue it to reality.

Having said the above, please note that ALL igbo towns at the fringes share similar dilemma with Ikas (please research on the Ohafia and Nsukka dialects as good examples). You spent time trying to highlight the similarities between Ika and Benin, and didn't bother to highlight the similarities between Ikas and Igbos? Lol!! How convenient! I'm sure you'd find that what joins us is more than what separates us!

Don't let inferiority conflict reduce you to being slaves!! You'd rather admit to being a Bini slave than an Igbo freeborn? Has it gone so bad?? I can challenge you to a " language similarity test", and you'd find that my dialect is more differentiated than yours from the mainstream Igbo, yet I know I am Igbo.

It may be considered smart to fool others, but it is the greatest foolishness of all when you fool yourself! Like Igbos say, "use your tongue to count your teeth". Nnawooo!!! Good morning!!!

Radoillo:
@ OP.

I think it's time you guys stopped saying Nyandael documented Agbor migration from Benin. He did NO such thing. He only wrote that Benin was depopulated at his time as a large chunk of the people had fled the city.

Many centuries later, Talbot suggested that the people who fled the city could have settled and founded Agbor and Obior. And today many Ika writers want to treat that as fact and attribute words to Nyandael that the man never said.

Agbor is much older than 1702. Heck, in 1702, Agbor was already a fairly powerful state under its (arguably) most powerful king, Adigwe.

Ojiofor:
Even as small as Ogoni is,they still maintain their unique identity without being culturally colonised by their giant igbo neighbours.I wonder how anybody could abandone his laguage and embrace a foreign language and culture over night of trade.ika sucks and ikwere too.

bokohalal:
Na wa. The headquarters is at Abudu.

bokohalal:
Orhionmwon Local Government Area is one of the seven Bini speaking local councils of Edo state. The others are :
Oredo
Ovia North East
Ovia South West
Uhunmwode
Ikpoba-Okha
Egor
The above is known as Edo South Senatorial District.
The local population is Bini speaking.

Esan has five local councils.
Esan central
Esan East
Esan West
Esan North East
Esan South East
Collectively known as Edo Central Senatorial District.
This is the Esan speaking area of the state


It is therefore incorrect to label Orhionmwon an Esan speaking area.