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BRO maclatunji should also come here and explain whats going on

Seun: This issue is already settled. Ask the moderators to explain the situation to you. They know exactly why things are the way they are.

Do the explanation yourself please.

Yoruba will say ')"enu onipon laati gbo pon"

Please let us know what the problem is.

Thanks

Seun, Where at thou

We need your attention here

thorpido: The only retard here is you.You talk so easily about drugs cos you're an addict and you must be high right now.
Drugs can really mess you up.

SMDH

So you can only see drug in his comment?
How about others

LMAO

plaetton: You just made a fool of yourself by attacking the op without even making an effort to refute any of his points. The reason is simply because you cannot. You are suffering from the typical cognitive dissonance. It is a psychological attack on your feeble mind, so you have to lash out violently at the op. I wonder if you realized just how pathetic your response is. lol

I find it hilarious that when someone reads the bible with common sense, you religiotards lash out that the person lacks a certain unique kind of stupi.di.ty drug, a spiritual drug, to fully understand the bible.

Same problem am having with these re.tarded peeps.

Like Christopher Hitchens said:
"The worthless idea that someone, an ignorant at that can be sacrificed on my behalf, without my consent, to atone for some made up "sin" which I had no part in committing and for which I was "condemned" without my side of the story before I was born, is utterly repugnant to me".

If you ask them to explain, they will tell you that unless you posses the holy spirit, you will never undersstand.

WTF...

rdokoye: If he's still alive, why did it take him 3 WEEKS to make a video confirming he's still alive. Wouldn't he have released a video immediately. This is obviously some kind of fabrication. Moreover, why would Boko Haram members start surrendering all over the North East, if the man wasn't killed. Aren't they in contact with him or at least his leadership.

It's like Bin Laden, no one ever saw the man, except videos that looked fabricated and old. I'm pretty sure the Western World is involved in this Boko Haram character.

Gbam!

No doubt there hand is'nt clean on this issue.

macof: muslims trying to reconcile with science

But the OP only proves that the Quran is bullpoo

Earth and heaven joined together - the Quran.doesn't make it clear what this means, whether it's symbolism or literal.

planet Earth is over 8billion years away from the proposed start of the universe
If heaven is taken as the realm from which the bang finds it's source...heaven and earth can't be said to have been joined together, since it took earth billions of years to appear

Maybe the op should go back to his Quran and ask Allah questions

Hey you

Shut your mouth

mazaje: This just exposes the koran as a fake book of lies. . .If you know anything about big bang cosmology then you'll know it doesn't come close to any of the nonse written inside the koran, the apologist whose work you posted here is simply lying as usual, that is what apologist do, they take vague verses and then use the science we know to build many thing on them. . .Firstly the big bang does not say the earth and the universe were together at any time. . .the koran claims that the heavens and the earth were joined together. . .In fact the earth came in existence about 8 billion years after the big bang, so clearly the koran has it wrong. . . ..The apologist liar who wrote that piece doesn't even know what he is saying. . .



This is no scientific miracle but just a vague verse that muslim apologist who are mostly liars and revisionist use to delude themselves and others. . .



More lies and revision. . Firstly everything written here is the apologist opinion and does not appear in the koran, the word hydrogen does not appear in the koran. . .You just took a verse, no presiding verse and no verse after it, and claimed it was talking about the big bang. . why do you guys lie so much. . .If the Koran talk about the big bang then you should expect scientist to run to the Koran as a guide, no scientist even a crazy one even considers the koran to be a book that is of any use to the scientific process, it remains a book of mythology. . .Do the writers of the Koran know anything about what the apologist wrote above?. . .If they did all the thing would have been written inside the koran. . .Which sky is the writer talking about?. . .

Allah again challenges the unbelievers by adding some details to the creation sequence as follows:

Surah 41, Ayah 9-12 "Say: Is it that ye deny Him Who created the earth in two days? And do ye join equals with Him? He is the Lord of (all) the Worlds. He set on the (earth) mountains standing firm, high above it and bestowed blessings on the earth and measured therein its sustenance in four days, alike for (all) who ask. Then He turned to the sky and it had been (as) smoke. He said to it and to the earth: come ye together,willingly or unwillingly. They said: we do come together in willing obedience. So He completed them as seven firmaments in two days and He assigned to each heaven its duty and command."

Here is the verse the apologist used to build straw man after straw man in context and the verse does not even come close to what he is saying even according to the koran. . he was just telling lies as usual. . .The verse was talking about the sky of the erath, but your writer tried to use it to mean the entire universe, why do muslim apologist lie so much?. . .The koran is not a scientific book but a book of arabic mythology, stop forcing modern science into it because you will always been shown to be lying. . .

Okay sir

yungEX: so drake isn't part of illuminati?

of course

Macelliot: [s]
What of the Othoman empire?
America created Al-qaeda, but Al-qaeda killed 2996 americans at 9/11 attack....
Al-qaeda leader, Osama was an Arab, born into a wealthy family in Saudi, studied at King Abdul azeez University. Influenced by a Pakistanian named Abdulmumeen. With the goal to fight the enemies of Islam...
I wonder why muslims never blames themselves for what they did, rather they either blames the west or Christians....
When US killed Osama bin laden, Why did saudi Arabians Citizen started protesting and burning American Flag?
Why did ur Ignoramus, Gullible brothers in Kano started, attacking and burning down Churches and also killing Christians when they were Protesting.
With this type of ur Sentiment. Islam is will still be an Umbrella for Terrorism, inhumane acts and Violence...
Shallom!!! [/s]

You are a waste of time

Macelliot: You are totally gullible....
You used Frosbel as reference... Frosbel denied the existence of Hell... Pls, do ur Quran denies the existence....

LOL

Is'nt frosbel a christian again?

Didnt he claim that he is been directed by holy spirit?

Macelliot: @bolded.
[s] I say it again, You are totally gullible. [/s]
What a fallacy!
Not that they are anti-christ but they are saying the truth.
so Atheists are saying the truth by denying the existence of God Almighty?
Denying the existence of Paradise(afterlife)...

So they are telling the truth by terming Muhammad as a "paedophile."
I never knew the meaning of this word until I kept seeing the word being used continuously when reffering to Prophet Muhammad....
.
May God help you. You need medication....

Shut up!

You are sick in the head for quoting me out of context
I never said they are saying the truth for bashing God and his prophets, what i said is that they are saying the truth about the absurdity in the bible and your fallacious claim.

Rilwayne001: Let me tell you the truth if i was born a xtian, i would have turn atheist with the way those atheist bash you and your bible . Not that they are anti-christ but they are saying the truth.

again here are atheist that are once a christian.

Richard Dawkins
It's a horrible idea that God, this paragon of wisdom and knowledge, power, couldn't think of a better way to forgive us our sins than to come down to Earth in his alter ego as his son and have himself hideously tortured and executed so that he could forgive himself.

Christopher Hitchens
The worthless idea that someone, an ignorant at that can be sacrificed on my behalf, without my consent, to atone for some made up "sin" which I had no part in committing and for which I was "condemned" without my side of the story before I was born, is utterly repugnant to me.

Did'nt you believe in the above ^^ truly?

Can you clearly explain them to us here?

am waiting Mr. gulliible

iamodenigbo1: op where are thou?

Here i am

Rihanna, The American controversial singer is always in the news for wrong reasons. This time, she was paid by a popular US based W Magazine to make a pose that will depict her as a 666 illuminati goddess.

Recently, Rihanna’s ex boyfriend, Drake, called her ‘devil’ and accused her of being a member of popular illuminati group with sign ‘666’. However, Rihanna has done so little to deny such allegations if these new photos she posted on social media are anything to go by.

The singer who covers the August edition of W Magazine looked so fierce and fearful in affirmation of what her ex accused her of being.

www.vibenigeria.com/rihanna-posts-pictures-illuminati-shrine-photo/

See Pictures Below

okay

malvisguy212: you want to preach to the pagan,you will behave like one of them, humble yourself like them in other for you to get there attension.behave like them did not mean practice ther belief.

malvisguy212: dos thag mean the Lord forbid sacrifice? Dint you read my post?to obey is better than sacrifice, what dos better 'sound to you? god prefer mercy more than sacrifice. Paul say "if a man love God and hate is brother, he is a lier" you must first settle it with you brother in other for God to accept your offering.

I don't have your time mr. man

Why?

Because you know next to nothing

Have a nice day

malvisguy212: [s] lanrexlan .it will be hard for you guys to understand the deep thing of God,all what you copy and paste are nothing but wrong interprtation,i dont know how to quote post by post, i wul'av clear your thread in no time.

Jesus say i desire mercy not sacrifice dos not mean he advice us to abandon sacrifice,you cant give God sacrifice without showing mercy to your brother,will you offer God sacrifice but in your heart you have gruge with your brother? First settle it and then give offering to God. What paul is saying is difference,it has noting to do with sacrifice,the gift of God is free to mankind, sin cannot hinder the gift of God, the rain and sun are gift of God and sin cannot stop rain or sun so therefore it needed no repentance.


Paul even say "to live is christ to die is gain" paul say again"if christ had not been risen our faith is in vain" there are many wrong interpretation you quote, were did you get the knowlegd that say paul LETTER is gospel? [/s]

Proverbs 21:3 New Living Translation
[size=15pt] "The LORD is more pleased when we do what is right and just than when we offer him sacrifices" [/size]

"...to the Jew I became as a Jew, that I might win Jews; to those who are under the Law, as under the Law, that I might win those who are under the Law; to those who are without Law, as without Law (not being without law toward
God, but under law toward Christ), that I might win those who are without Law; to the weak I became as weak, that I might win the weak, Ibhave become all things to all men , that I might by all means save some." 1Corinthians 9:20-22

it is apparent that Paul was a chameleon who blended with his surroundings whatever they were at the time! Paul clearly taught contradictory messages for the purpose of making everybody happy...

Macelliot: Not Christianity makes them lose their faith. It's the satan.
Satan hates Christians more than Muslims because of Jesus Christ.

What you don't seem to understand is that, the bible is the basis of which rhe atheist ans satanists attack you xtian everytime. No sane person will read the bible and accept all that is inside it as word of God almighty.

Only honest xtian will admit that it is full of contradictions and lies. Take a look at NL core xtian members like francistny and frossbel, they admit the bible is not the infalliable word of God since it contain comtradiction and lies.

Most of those atheist we have today are once a xtian, but reading the bible changed there view of God, for example:

Richard Dawkins
It's a horrible idea that God, this paragon of wisdom and knowledge, power, couldn't think of a better way to forgive us our sins than to come down to Earth in his alter ego as his son and have himself hideously tortured and executed so that he
could forgive himself.

Christopher Hitchens
The worthless idea that someone, an ignorant at that can be sacrificed on my behalf, without my consent, to atone for some made up "sin" which I had no part in committing and for which I was "condemned" without my side of the story before I was born, is utterly repugnant to me.

an so on like that, no sane person will read that someone was killed for a sin you did'nt commit. No sane person will accept that God cannot forgive you without coming down to be killed.

As far as the bible is concerned atheist will continue to win on the your section.. because dere is no explanation you can give to explain the above 2points.

Thank God francis and frossbel said the truth https://www.nairaland.com/1839178/problems-biblical-inerrancy
Other gullible xtians like you would lie that without holy spirit you can't understand the bible.
What holy spirit are we talking about?

Back then when i argue a lot with francis he would say i dont have the holy spirit therefore i cant understand the bible.
I wonder where the said holy spirit is

Let me tell you the truth if i was born a xtian, i would have turn atheist with the way those atheist bash you and your bible. Not that they are anti-christ but they are saying the truth.

have a nice day

Macelliot: Take a Look at this thread created by a Satanists..
Another name for Satan in the Bible is Lucifer...
If Christianity is fake, why do Satanists hate the religion so much?
This thread will actually make you realise that satanists hates Christians so much... They hate the Christian God. Jehovah, the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.... Mocking Christians and Jesus Christ, calling them the followers of a dead Jewish Man.
I also recommends the post of the Only brave muslim woman who showed up on the thread...
https://www.nairaland.com/1911126/dedicate-yourself-satan

Don't go through the creeds of the satanist, if you don't have the Holy Spirit to resist the enchanment....
Satanists are seriously at war with Christians.....
I posted this to make u guys know that Christians aren't fake or a fake religion created by Paul. Christianity is Real. Satanists are trying to make it look bad...
....
Don't recite the creeds in the first post if you guys are really strong enough to battle the Spiritual wars Christians are battling with Satanists....
https://www.nairaland.com/1911126/dedicate-yourself-satan

If that is your point to prove xtianity as a true religion, then what will you say of islam?

upon all these gruesome acts of ISIs, Bh and other radical
muslims. Do you even know that America created alqaeda?
Do you know that America empower ISIS to the stage they are today?

everyone knows that the west are hell bent in deatabilizing islam. Why that? If to you and the west islam is fake, why dont you leave them and stop painting them black?

For centuries there is noting like muslim terrorist until US created Alqaeda.

You dont seem to know what you say atimes

Empiree: Parable of "SuShi" (Sunni and Shia) is like cat and mouse. Sometimes they reconcile. Sometimes they trash one another. Example, in 9ja, cats and mice are enemies but in America, cats and mice can be close friends with no animosity. They are basically 'friendenemy'. That's the way NL sects work. That's some funny stuff.

Anyways, another funny stuff is Android is really sucks. I was responding to a thread this morning with jazakhallahu khayran, while typing on Android. Android recognizes 'jazakhallahu' but when i typed 'khayran', it suggested 'Manhattan'. I refused to accept that suggestion. Then I retyped complete phrase again. Android suggested 'did you mean jazakhallahu Manhattan?. I was like chai, computer communicating with me.

Then I clicked on 'khayran' to add it to my dictionary so i wont have problem next time. Android responded 'where did you get that word?'. I replied: ["shot up"[

joke with bold. I didnt reply. Only said that to myself.

@underlined

Really?

The above Ayat begin by addressing the unbelievers by giving them a difficult passage, describing the primal creation of the earth and the skies around us. If we count two days for the creation of the earth, four days for stabilizing, blessing, and providing its sustenance, two days for making the seven skies, we get a total of eight days, while in all other verses of the Quran, creation is stated clearly in six days. This is a fascinating example of verses that may have a different interpretation. Some commentators understand the four days of providing the earth with its needs to include the two days of creating the earth. This could be reasonable because the process of completing the earth forms a chain of events. In the first step it is the creation of the formless earth; in the second step it is the gradual evolution of the form of the earth, its mountains and seas, and its animal and vegetable life with a perfect balance. In the above Surah 21, Ayah 30, the Quran states that the earth and the skies exploded together from a compressed state. In Surah 11, Ayah 9-12, the creation of the earth and its development are mentioned first; and the making of the sky into seven firmaments is mentioned last. The two statements are not inconsistent, because it is stated that when the sky was made into seven firmaments, it had existed previously as smoke: "Then He turned to the sky and it had been (as) smoke." Non-Muslim critics who claim that this Ayah contradicts the known six-day period of creation misinterpret this part of the Ayah. They claim that the creation period in this Ayah adds up to eight days, and therefore the Quran contradicts itself. They simply choose to ignore the statement that God turned to the sky and He ordered the sky and the earth to obey his Laws. How can He turn to the sky and order it to obey His Laws if it did not exist yet? Again, the miracle of these Ayat is that Allah addresses the unbelievers who search for anything to confuse the issue of God as the Creator of this universe.

Therefore the development of the Big Bang could have taken the following sequence:

* Explosion of a fantastically dense and fantastically hot matter.

* Planets and skies existed as smoke. The earth existed as a formless state and the sky existed as a gas. This process took two days.

* Providing the earth with mountains, seas, blessing and its sustenance took another two days. Thus completing the creation and readiness of the earth in four day.

* God ordered the earth and the sky to obey His physical laws.

* The sky was made into seven firmaments in two days.

And Allah knows the best.

History of the universe is divided into three distinct phases: the start, the expansion, and the end. The Quran deals with these phases in astounding descriptions. The Quran refers to the start of the Big Bang in two short Ayat, presenting an accurate summary to the conditions that led to creating the universe:

Surah 21, Ayah 30 "Do not the unbelievers see that the heavens and the earth were joined together (as one unit of creation) before We clove them asunder?"

Surah 41, Ayah 11 "Then He turned to the sky and it had been (as) smoke."

In the first Ayah, Allah declares clearly that the universe (the skies and the earth) was joined together, and then Allah caused it to explode. There is a very important choice of words in the original Arabic text whose translation is given above. The Arabic word ratq translated as "joined together" means "mixed in each, blended" in Arabic dictionaries. It is used to refer to two different substances that make up a whole. The
phrase "We clove them asunder " is the verb fataqa in Arabic and implies that something comes into being by tearing apart or destroying the structure of ratq. In this Ayah, skies and earth are at first subject to the status of ratq and then they exploded. Intriguingly, cosmologists speak of a "cosmic egg" that consisted of all the matter in the universe prior to the Big Bang. In other words, all the heavens and earth were included in this egg in a condition of ratq. This cosmic egg exploded violently causing its matter to fataqa and in the process created the structure of the whole universe.

The accuracy of the Arabic words of such divine description of starting the universe is well beyond comprehension. A cosmic fact was revealed to an unlettered Arab that took humanity one thousand and four hundred years to discover. This Ayah addresses the unbelievers with an overwhelming challenge. No one can claim that Muhammad had knowledge of spectroscopic observations or he had instruments to measure cosmic background radiation. Also, he was not a genius mathematician. This Ayah, as with many of the scientific miracles in the Quran, addresses the unbelievers in a strong challenge. If they could not use their inherent intuition to figure out the existence and the uniqueness of One Creator,then they can listen to an unlettered Arab explaining the creation of the universe.

In the second Ayah, Allah describes the sky, after the explosion, as a smoke, not a cloud or fog, but smoke. To emphasize the importance of the smoke, the title of this Surah is "The Smoke." In the past, cosmologists used to describe the gaseous state of the young universe as a cloud or fog. Only recently, has the word "smoke" been coined, because it is closely descriptive of the initial gaseous state. The definition of smoke is a suspension of particles in a hot gaseous medium. This is truly the perfection of the Quran in choosing the closest words to describe an event. The word smoke could indicate that just after the Big Bang, the formation of planets and stars took different directions from the start. Planets were formed from the suspended particles of the smoke, while the stars were formed from the hot gases. This is quite possible since the structure of stars is different from that of the planets. The sun for example consists of 73.5 percent hydrogen and 25 percent helium. These gases were formed in the first few minutes after the Big Bang, and the rest of which is the product of the nuclear reactions in the sun. There are also traces of heavier atoms such as oxygen, carbon, iron, magnesium and so on. None of these traces of elements account for even 1 percent of the weight of the sun. On the other hand, the earth is made up of over a hundred elements with a nickel-iron core. Oxygen, hydrogen, nitrogen, carbon and other elements that exist in earth and its atmosphere were all united as compound particles that existed in the original phase of the smoke. When the earth changed from the smoke phase to liquid phase during the cooling process of the universe, the compound particles reserved their composition in a melted state, and inert gases escaped from the earth. The atmosphere with its water vapor was formed from the gases produced during the cooling process of the Earth’s crust. The earlier assumption that the Earth evolved from the sun is no longer accepted.

Allah again challenges the unbelievers by adding some details to the creation sequence as follows:

Surah 41, Ayah 9-12 "Say: Is it that ye deny Him Who created the earth in two days? And do ye join equals with Him? He is the Lord of (all) the Worlds. He set on the (earth) mountains standing firm, high above it and bestowed blessings on the earth and measured therein its sustenance in four days, alike for (all) who ask. Then He turned to the sky and it had been (as) smoke. He said to it and to the earth: come ye together,willingly or unwillingly. They said: we do come together in willing obedience. So He completed them as seven firmaments in two days and He assigned to each heaven its duty and command."

sciyhf: Johm 16:8 When he comes, he will show the world it was wrong about sin, righteousness, and judgment. 9 He will show the world it was wrong about sin because they don’t believe in me. 10 He will show the world it was wrong about righteousness because I’m going to the Father and you won’t see me anymore.

1 “I am the true vine, and my Father is the vineyard keeper. 2 He removes any of my branches that don’t produce fruit, and he trims any branch that produces fruit so that it will produce even more fruit. 3 You are already trimmed because of the word I have spoken to you. 4 Remain in me, and I will remain in you. A branch can’t produce fruit by itself, but must remain in the vine. Likewise, you can’t produce fruit unless you remain in me. 5 I am the vine; you are the branches. If you remain in me and I in you, then you will produce much fruit. Without me, you can’t do anything.

Irrelevant

sciyhf: 17 God’s righteousness is being revealed in the gospel, from faithfulness[t] for faith,[t] as it is written, The righteous person will live by faith.

Please kindly provide the source of this verse.

I have something to say about it.

am waiting...

sciyhf: Jojn 3 6 God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, so that everyone who believes in him won’t perish but will have eternal life. 17 God didn’t send his Son into the world to judge the world, but that the world might be saved through him.

18 Whoever believes in him isn’t judged; whoever doesn’t believe in him is already judged, because they don’t believe in the name of God’s only Son.
19 "This is the basis for judgment: The light came into the world, and people loved darkness more than the light, for their actions are evil. 20 All who do wicked things hate the light and don’t come to the light for fear that their actions will be exposed to the light.

21 Whoever does the truth comes to the light so that it can be seen that their actions were done in God."

again irrelevant to our discussion.

I wonder if john is Greater than Jesus to you

I ask you to provide where jesus teaches law of faith and abolish law of commandments and that of works the way paul did in Romans 3:27,28.

sciyhf: Am not surprised that it does not cos u sure have a little brain.. And it amazes me how u took time to read the bible just the make troubles... But u don't understand what u read cos u don't have the spirit* ask me I will explain.

Your brain is just like a stagnant water but inactive shey?
Atleast show a little courtesy, that you are pained does not give you the audacity to insult me.

Xtian often run to the point that you cant understand the bible without holy spirit, i wonder the holy spirit in talk, is it the one leading those 5000+ sect

You are a joker

sciyhf: From all ur long trash u r only pointing at righteousness of faith and dat of Moses. If there is something else pls elaborate more and don't make pointless points.

Or maybe you lack comprehension skill?
Or maybe you just want to remain miserable all your life, hidding the truth?
gainsayer?
reprobate?

Choose one ^^

sciyhf: John 3:16 (for God so loved the world that he sent his only begootten son that whosoever believeth in him shall not die but have everlasting life)

Was jesus the onr doing the talkings here?
Tell me does John know better thaN Jesus?
believing in him, does that mean his name alone and not his teachings? JESUS, PAUL, JOHN..whose teachings do you believe gan?

Now the big question.
THOSE BEFORE JESUS HOW DO THEY ATTAIN ETERNAL LIFE?

sciyhf: U asked if Jesus spoke of the righteousness of faith? Yes he did not just Paul. When he said believe in me and be save is faith. Believing in someone u did no not see. He never said 'obey all the laws of Moses and be saved' but that he has fulfilled the laws and we should have faith in him.. So simple and clear

You are not getting it at all...you can't believe in someone without having your reasons for believing them. Now the reason why i believe in jesus is this.
MARK 12:29-34 — And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord: And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart,and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment. And the second is like, namely this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these.

believing in God encompasses everything we do as a believer, you can't believe God without obeying his commandments.

MATTHEW 19:16-17.
16. And, behold, one came and said unto him, "Good Master,what good thing shall I do, that I may have Eternal Life?"
17. And he said unto him, "Why callest thou me "good?" (There is) none "good" but One, (that is,) God: but if thou wilt enter into Life, keep The Commandments."

Why didnt jesus say here that believe in my name

We are not just to believe in his name if not his teachings.

And you dont follow jesus teachings rather you follow PAUL JOHN PETER'S.
My question is do tthey know better than jjesus?

sciyhf: [s] I definetly answered all ur questions, but if your brain can't simplify or provide u with the answers I gave [/s] ... I will help
Yes
Yes
Yes
No
For explanations refer back to my answers.

Lol @No… ok now so paradise is not sure for you but you see muslims as companions of hell when you yourself is neither companion of heaven nor companion of hell.

Smh.

Please Refer back to my refutations

sciyhf: 2)Jesus said that for the hypocrites and fake prophets that call on his name with their mouth and not with their hearts. Calling Jesus Jesus won't take anyone to heaven but believing in the name you call. That is why in my case by the grace of God believe I will go to heaven because I believe in Jesus and try earnestly to obey his words.

*continuation*
Now to the bolded assertion.

How about those who didnt get to know Jesus? Those who came before him.

How about our grandfathers in africa before xtianity arrive, arr they not going to enter heaven just because they didnt believe iin the name jesus?

SMDH.

Furthermore,
Matthew 5:3-10 (NIV)
3 "Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. 4 Blessed are those who mourn, for they will be comforted. 5 Blessed are the meek, for they will inherit the earth. 6 Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness, for they will be filled. 7 Blessed are the merciful, for they will be shown mercy. 8 Blessed are the pure in heart, for they will see God. 9 Blessed are the peacemakers,for they will be called sons of God. 10 Blessed are those who are persecuted because of righteousness, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

I cant find where it says blessed are those who believe in a name for theirs is the kingdom of God …

sciyhf: 3) Jesus himself even prophesied about the fake pastors... ' It is written that in those days many will rise in my name but are not from me' so there are so many fake pastors and that is why one is asked to test each spirit. If u r a true born again, God will surely deliver you from them. Also from their friuts u shall know them. You test the spirits by acquiring from God, watching the morality of the pastors( cos d fake pastors don't obey the word of God,) their teachings,( a true pastor should preach salvation and righteousness, holyness and not covering the scripture and teaching only of riches etc)

Which church exactly do you attend? How are you sure that your pastor is of God?

Why are'nt you a catholic?

sciyhf: 4) no one is sure but I believe I am but by the grace of God.that is y it is individual. As I said earlier, I believe and have faith. Besides I won't swear am among cos I know within myself I am not perfect. I make lots of mistakes, mistakes that I even condemn myself for, that is why am always asking for mercy, grace and the spirit of God. U r u sure u r going to heaven? Na u holy pass? Therefore, dis ur last question is uncalled for...

Okay

sciyhf: Lemme answer them one after the other to clear u up k
1) heavenly race is an individual race. It is written that one should not judge, so my brother I have no right to judge which denomination will go to hell or heaven.

I didnt ask you to judge anyone here.

Here is my question again.
How are you sure that your denomination will make heaven while other 4999 will burn in hell?
Atleast you are either a Protestant xtian, catholic, Jehovah witness, Mormon, Unitarian etc.

CATHOLIC
Why are you a pprotestan xtian? why are you a not catholic? are the catholics going for believing in purgatory? are they going for honouring the image of mary when it is in the bible not to honour any graven image? are they going to hell for reading 73books of the bible while the protestant hold on to 66books? are they goin to hell for believing the pope is a vicar of christ? just tell me the reason why you are not a catholic?

NOTE: catholic constitute the largest denomination of xtians in the whole world. atleast 60% of the xtian population
The reason why you are not a catholic is not far fetch if not that you deem them as the wrong path to God. if that not the reason, then tell me the reason why you are not a catholic.

PROTESTANT
Why are you a catholic? why are you not a protestant xtian? are the protestant xtian goin to hell for collecting tithe? are they goin to hell for not honouring mary? are they goin ti hell for not taking the pope as christ vicar? are they goin ti hell for holdin on to 66books of the bible and not 73boooks as you do? Just tell me why you are not a protestant?.

JEHOVAH WITNESS
Why are you Jehovah witness? why are'nt a catholic or protestant? are they both goin to hell for believing in trinity? are they both goin to hell for not believing is archangel michael as the JW do? just tell me why you are a Jehovah witness.

UNITARIAN
why are you a unitarian and not the 3above?

MORMON
are you one

Better still madeolmoiselle schiyf should tell us her denomination and the reason why she doesnt attend the rest.

Hope you now decipher my question better?

sciyhf: 2)Jesus said that for the hypocrites and fake prophets that call on his name with their mouth and not with their hearts. Calling Jesus Jesus won't take anyone to heaven but believing in the name you call. That is why in my case by the grace of God believe I will go to heaven because I believe in Jesus and try earnestly to obey his words.

@canceled you are lying, and it shows how ignorant and how low your knowledge of the bible is.

Matthew 7:21-23
“Not everyone who calls me Lord will enter God’s kingdom. The only people who will enter are those who do what my Father in heaven wants. On that last Day many will call me Lord. They will say, ‘Lord, Lord, by the power of your name we spoke for God. And by your name we forced out demons and did many miracles.’ Then I will tell those people clearly, ‘Get away from me, you workers of lawlessness. I never knew you.’

There are points derived in this particular verse viz:
* Not everyone who call on jesus will enter heaven: (including you, that you call on jesus does not mean you are going to heaven)

* The people who will enter are those who do what his father want : Now thos is a great point, Jesus is not saying those who will enter are those who have faith in his name rather those who do what his father wants. now do you have any objection to this

am waiting.

* Some people will call on God with his name, some will force out demon with his name,many will perform miracles with his name, those who do all these in his name did they have faith in his name? of course they do, but does that mean they will enter heaven? Then I will tell those people clearly, ‘Get away from me, you workers of lawlessness. I never knew you.’

Any objection to this ^^

Am waiting

sciyhf: [s] Wow... At first when I saw the Op, I tot dis rilwayne of a guy was reasonable but I have been proved wrong. He still has so many to learn, and good for him... I can teach him when am free...so much to teach cos this guy is trouble and loves blind argument but I don't blame him though.... Its becos of his lack of knowledge and too much leisure time [/s]

LEARN HOW TO INTERACT WITH A STRANGER..

We shall see who lack knowledge between myself and you.

Professionalism is defined as one's conduct at work. In spite of the word's root, this quality is not restricted to those in occupations we describe as "professions," typically those which require a high level of education and have high earnings.Cashiers, janitors and waitresses can demonstrate a high level of this trait, just as doctors, lawyers or engineers can display a low level of it, and vice versa.

As with good health, the absence of professionalism is usually more obvious than its presence. Who will notice whether you have this quality or not? Your boss definitely will as will your customers and co-workers, and it can affect your ability to keep your job and advance in your career. So what can you do to make sure you exhibit professionalism and what can you do to ensure that you don't show a lack of it? Follow these dos and don'ts:

Make Being on Time a Priority: Showing up late for work or meetings gives the impression that you don't care about your job so make sure you pay attention to the clock. Not only does this go for start times, but this tip also applies to returning from your lunch break.

Don't Be a Grump: Leave your bad mood at the door when you come to work. We all have days when we aren't feeling our best. Remember not to take it out on your boss, your co-workers and especially your customers. If work is what's causing you to be grumpy, it may be time to think about quitting your job. If that isn't a good option for you, make the best of the situation until it is.

Dress Appropriately: For many jobs, workplace attire doesn't include wearing a suit and tie. Whether or not you have to dress up for work or you can wear more casual clothes, your appearance should always be neat and clean. A wrinkled suit looks no better than a ripped pair of jeans. Wear the type of clothing your employer requires or that is the norm for your place of employment. Generally speaking, revealing clothing is a no-no. Flip flops, shorts and tank tops should be saved for the weekends.

Watch Your Mouth: Swearing, cursing or cussing—whatever you call it—has no place at work, particularly if those who might be offended by it are present. If you wouldn't say it to your grandmother, refrain from saying it at work. Using bad language makes it seem as if your vocabulary is limited.

Offer To Help Colleagues: A true professional is willing to help his or her co-workers when they are overburdened. He or she isn't afraid to share knowledge, opinion or simply an extra pair of hands. One person's success reflects well on everyone in his or her workplace.

Don't Gossip: While you may be tempted to tell your cubicle neighbors what you heard about Suzy or Sam down in accounting, gossiping makes you look like a middle school student. If you know something that simply must be shared, tell someone who has nothing to do with your workplace, like your sister, brother or best friend.

Try to Stay Positive: Negativity at work brings everyone down and your boss will certainly not appreciate a drop in morale among his or her employees. Instead, if you think something can be improved, try to do something to make that happen.

Don't Hide From Your Mistakes: As hard as it may be, take ownership of your errors and do your best to correct them and make sure you don't make the same one twice. Never blame others, but set an example for those who were also responsible to do as you've done.

Always Fight Fair: It is inevitable that you will occasionally have disagreements with your co-workers, or even your boss. You may think that something should be done one way, while someone else will believe it should be done another. Don't let yourself lose control . No matter how upset you are or how strongly you believe you are right, screaming isn't allowed, nor is name calling or door slamming. And, it should go without saying that physical attacks should always be avoided, no matter what. Calmly explain your opinion and be ready to walk away if the other person can't be swayed or if he or she begins to lose control.

Don't Lie: Dishonestly never makes anyone look good, whether it's lying on one's resume or calling in sick. A true professional is upfront, so if you aren't qualified for the job, either don't apply for it or send in your application anyway and explain why you'd be perfect for the job in spite of it. As for lying about being sick, if you need a day off take a personal or vacation day

http://careerplanning.about.com/od/workplacesurvival/a/professionalism.htm

Not funny jor

[size=15pt] RIB CRACKER JOKES [/size]

JOKE 1
An Igbo man mistakenly sent 2million Naira to a wrong phone number via Mobile Money. He realized that before the person would withdraw the whole money, he had to think of what to do if he was to get his money back. To the person's phone number, he immediately sent a text:

"Hello Dark and Worthy Initiate, I hope you are okay. I believe you’ve received the money I sent you for the initiation ceremony into Eternal Mystical Order Of Glorious Satanism in the Ancient Ogboni Fraternity, scheduled to happen at 12midnight tomorrow. That money is only for transport. You shall receive more for pocket money and there are riches awaiting you. 2 weeks after the initiation, the family member closest to you will die under mysterious circumstances and
this death will unlock your ticket to wealth, ability to fly at night and change into all kinds of animals to deliver your various assignments. Remember, you can buy your own syringe and needle meant to draw your blood before you enter the temple. Please don’t be late because the Viceroy of Satan himself will be present to officiate the ceremony. Thanks in advance. But incase you are not ready to join yet, please send back the money otherwise you will die in the next 24hrs". 3 Minutes later, he got a Mobile Money message: 'You have received 2million Naira in your mobile money... If na U gt d Alert, wetin U go do?

JOKE 2
Police officers were at a road block. One of them stops a trailer:
POLICEMAN: Where is your permit?
DRIVER: (Hands in his permit)
POLICEMAN: Do you have an extinguisher?
DRIVER: Yes, its there…
POLICEMAN: Light up your indicators.
DRIVER: (Light his indicators)
POLICEMAN: Do you have a seat belt?
DRIVER: Yes, I have.
POLICEMAN: Hunk your horn let me hear.
The driver hunks his horn. The policeman turns to his fellow officers and says the man has everything and they decided to let him go. As the driver was about to drive away, one of the police officers suddenly shouts:
POLICEMAN: Is your SIM-card registered?
DRIVER: (Completely surprised) No.
POLICEMAN: Park! Park there!!! How can you drive without registering your number? What if you are involvein an accident, how will we identify you?

JOKE 3
Akpos was on the bed with his wife, sleeping. He dreamt he was in heaven. When he got to heaven’s gate, he met an angel who started showing him everything. After a while Akpos asked the angel; can i piss here?.
Angel replied ; it’s not allowed but you can. A short while later again, Akpos asked; can i mess here ?.
Angel replied ; it’s not allowed but you can. Minutes later,again, Akpos asked; can i poo here ?. Angel replied ; it’s not allowed but you can.
Akpos saw a flower and asked the angel; can i use the flower to clean my butt ?.
Angel said; it’s not allowed but you can. As Akpos was about to use the flower to clean his butt, a hot slap landed on his face….then his Wife shouted; you piss for bed, i no talk, you mess, i leave you, i no talk, you poo on top bed, i leave you, i no talk.You now want to use my wrapper clean your bottom, You dey
mad ?..

JOKE 4
E get one particular restaurant wey I dey chop 4 wuse zone 5 E get one oyinbo wey dey always come chop there too

Anytime dis oyinbo chop finish, he go shout "Hey", so I wonder wetin dey make am shout.

I decided to chop wetin d oyinbo dey always chop so maybe me sef go shout too. When I reach d restaurant yesterday evening, I order wetin d man dey chop.

Dem tell me say na chicken & red wine, so i chop am, but i no shout, I collect extra plate, but i no still shout. I say dis oyinbo na mumu o, why e dey always shout like dat now

Na then i just vex ask 4 my bill. The waiter tell me say one plate of chicken & red wine na N75,000 then d extra plate too na another N75,000. Na then I shout hey! heyy!! heyyy!!! !!!! heyyyyyyyyyyyyy yyyyyyyyyyyyyyy yyyyyyyyyyyyyyy yyyyyyyyyyyyyy yyyyyyyyyyyy ..
I still dey shout till now

JOKE 5
A student failed in law and decided to make a deal with professor. Sir, do you know everything about law?
Professor: Yes.
Student: If you can answer this question, I will accept my final marks, if you can't, you have to give me "A".
The Professor agreed.
Boy asked, "What is legal but not logical, logical but not legal & neither legal nor logical?"
The Professor thought about it for hours & pondered but no
answer. He finally had to give up as he really did not know and he gave the boy an "A".

The following day, professor asked same question to his students.He was shocked when all of them raised their hands.He asked one student. The student answered "Sir, you are 65, married to 28 years old woman, this is legal but not logical.Your wife, is having an affair with a 23 year old boy, this is logical but not legal. Your wife's boyfriend has failed in his exam and yet you have given him an "A", this is neither logical nor legal."
The professor collapsed..."

JOKE 6
I was in a taxi chatting with my friend on whatsapp and suddenly discovered that the man sitting beside me was reading my conversation.

Since i did not want to embarrass the man, i decided to change the topic of the chat;

Abeg oga, please tell Kabiru Sokoto or Abu Qaqa that I only took two of the bombs we just manufactured for this operation.Let them know as well that I may find it difficult to get to the target place before the bombs explode because there is
terrible traffic jam now but nevertheless, I am sure casualty figure will be high since we are five in our taxi and all the vehicles in the traffic will be affected too. We have less than 3minutes for the bomb to go off bye bye and take care of my parents and siblings as agreed.

The Man, without allowing the taxi to stop quickly opened the taxi door and jumped out

JOKE 7

In an examination, Akpos was asked to complete the following:
1. He who fights and runs away?
Akpos: E don surrender be dat na, na fear catch am

2. A rolling stone?
Akpos: No fit just dey roll, na person push am.

3. He who lives in a glass house?
Akpos: Na rich politician e go be.

4. A stitch in time?
Akpos: Dey prevent further tear tear.

5. Birds of the same feather? Akpos:
Na the same mama born them.

6. One good turn?
Akpos: Na correct power steering fit do am.

7. A bird in hand?
Akpos: Wetin e wan be again if no be barbeque?

8. Half bread is better than? Akpos:
Puff puff, buns or garri without sugar.

9. A journey of a thousand miles?
Akpos: Na d person wahala be dat na, Why e no enter car or plane jeje?

10. He who laughs last?
Akpos: Get brain problem. Make dem examine am, becos na beginning of madness be dat.

11. A patient dog?
Akpos: Na hunger go kill am.

12. All work and no play?
Akpos: Na bank job be dat bros.

13. Once beaten?
Akpos: Na revenge go follow be dat.

What grade do you think Akpos deserves for this answers?


to be continued...

BossTtdiamonds: Currently Busy....really really busy...

Once I'm free I'll be back..

am not jobless as well

rhemakid1: I am a Christian, and I am not here to oppose or antagonize anybody's belief.

I just want simple and laid down answers on this issues as this might help in general and shed more light on Islamic belief.

so as Christians believe heaven is the final destination through Jesus after death and believe that once we believe in Jesus ( God) and are born again, we are saved from condemnation,

"And they say: 'None shall enter Paradise unless he be a Jew or a Christian.' Those are their (vain) desires. Say, 'Produce your proof if you are truthful.' [QURAN 2:111]

rhemakid1: what does Islam offer for us

"But it is for those Who fear their Lord, That lofty mansions,One above another, Have been built: Beneath them flow Rivers (of delight): (such is) The promise of Allah: Never doth Allah fail in (His) promise. (The Noble Quran, 39:20) "

"But those who believe And work deeds of righteousness -- To them shall We give A Home in Heaven -- Lofty mansions beneath which Flow rivers -- to dwell therein For aye -- an excellent reward For those who do (good)! -- Those who preserve in patience, And put their trust In their Lord and Cherisher. (The Noble Quran, 29:58-59) "

"And We shall bestow On them, of fruit and meat, Anything they shall desire. (The Noble Quran,c52:22) "

"(To them will be said 'Eat and drink ye, With profit and health, Because of your (good) deeds. (The Noble Quran, 52:19)

"Therein will they Recline (at ease): Therein can they Call (at pleasure) For fruit in abundance, And (delicious) drink; (The Noble Quran, 38:51) "

"(Here is) a Parable of the Garden which the righteous are promised: in it are rivers of water incorruptible; rivers of milk of which the taste never changes; rivers of wine, a joy to those who drink; and rivers of honey pure and clear. In it there are for them all kinds of fruits; and Grace from their Lord. (Can those in such Bliss) be compared to such as shall dwell for ever in the Fire, and be given, to drink, boiling water, so that it cuts up their bowels (to pieces)? (The Noble Quran, 47:15) "

"Be ye foremost (in seeking) Forgiveness from your Lord, And a Garden (of Bliss), The width whereof is As the width of Heaven and earth, Prepared for those who believe In Allah and His messengers: That is the Grace of Allah, Which He bestows on whom He pleases: and Allah is The Lord of Grace abounding. (The Noble Quran, 57:21)

"Be quick in the race For forgiveness from your Lord, And for a Garden whose width Is that (of the whole) Of the heavens And the earth, Prepared for the righteous. (The Noble Quran, 3:133)

"And We shall remove from their hearts any lurking sense of injury; - beneath them will be rivers flowing;- and they shall say: 'Praise be to God, who hath guided us to this (felicity): never could we have found guidance, had it not been for the guidance of God: indeed it was the truth, that the apostles of our Lord brought unto us.' And they shall hear the cry: 'Behold! the garden before you! Ye have been made its inheritors, for your deeds (of righteousness).' (The Noble Quran, 7:43) "

rhemakid1: HOW AND WHAT (personal responsibility) DO WE DO TO GET THERE TO MISS CONDEMNATION (if that is in ur belief as well)?

Always in the Qur'an when Allah mentions those who will attain Paradise, He mentions the believers, not the Muslims. He, subhanahu wa ta'ala, says, "Indeed the Muttaqoon will be amongst the Gardens and water-springs." [QURAN 15:45]

He also says,
"Verily, the Muttaqoon will be in a place of security, among Gardens and Springs, dressed in fine silk and (also) in thick silk, facing each other. This is how it shall be, and We shall marry them to Houris with wide, lovely eyes. They will request therein for every kind of fruit in peace and security." [QURAN 44:51-55]

So who are the believers and how do we become one of them? Allah says,

"They believe in Allah and the Last Day, and they enjoin what is right and forbid the wrong and they strive with one another in hastening to good deeds, and those are among the good." [QURAN 3:114]

He also says,

"But those who have faith and work righteousness, they are companions of the Garden: Therein shall they abide (forever)." [QURAN 2:82]

This place of tranquility and bliss is not something easily attained. Allah says,
"Or do you think that you shall enter the Garden (of bliss) without such (trials) as came to those who passed away before you? They encountered suffering and adversity, and were so shaken in spirit that even the Apostle and those of faith who were with him cried, 'When (will come) the help of Allah?' Ah! Verily, the help of Allah is (always) near!" [QURAN 2:214]

What Allah and His Messenger (saw), convey to us is that the people of Paradise are the God-conscious, and the God-fearing.Not everyone, who says, Lord, Lord, will enter the Kingdom of Heaven, just as not everyone who professes the Shahadah, will enter Paradise. Only those who fear Allah as He ought to be feared, and are motivated by that fear to do acts of righteousness will attain success. The one who is conscious of His Lord, in every aspect of his life, and turns to Him in true submission, will have purchased for himself safety and security on a day, when there will be none, except with Allah.

rhemakid1: pls I need enlightenment with no display of contempt or ridicule.

Would you, now, look down with disdain on a tiding like this, [QURAN 56:81]
?