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Where do all these nutters keep crawling out from?

If a team's best player on the night, who also happened to score one of the best goals of the tournament choked, then what did all the other player's do? Drown?



Meanwhile, Bendtner was magnificent for the Danes. Neat in possession, winning headers and flick ons, even spraying diagonal cross-field passes for fun! And of course he scored twice.

Giroud's signing now seems imminent, which means RVP+Bendtner+Chamakh+Park+Giroud, not to mention Poldi. Two of them will probably have to leave.

If you get Pilar putcha hands up!

If you captain Dzagoev putcha hands up!!

If you already 22 points clear putcha hands up!!!

Pilarrrrr, GET IN!!!

coogar: you are a glorified simpleton!
what has cesc's playing furthest forward gotta do with this?
welbeck was a forward tonight and he posted 92% pass completion....

Ode, how is Welbeck posting 92% in a one-off game relevant? Does he post 92% every season?

cesc is a liability...telling us he plays furthest forward in a team
that has messi and alexi sanchez makes you a world class Arrow.

When did I say this? Were Sanchez and Messi included in the stats you provided? Is it my fault you cannot read?

his ratio is horrible wherever he has played.....cesc is always attempting risky passes.

Proof?

what has this gotta do with the argument? your theory that xavi should be benched for cesc
makes you a bumbling oaf.

When was this posited? Was Xavi not in the Spanish team i posted earlier?

Abeg, don't suck me into your imbecilic arguments again. . . I can do a lot of things but i cannot cure stupidity!

1025: child births shld be a moment of carefulness to avoid producing things with human shape and goat brains. but what will one do when it is a meeting between two under-bridge fellows. when shekpe and monkey tails comes together, what u get as the child is what we have above.

See this bastardo. . . I no blame you, your ancestral sp[color=#000000]e[/color]rm went down the wrong pipe. In other words, I blame the deviated septum in yo momma's c[color=#000000]u[/color]nt for diverting the 6-month-old se[color=#000000]m[/color]en(which she poured into her va[color=#000000]g[/color]ina from a used condom at the wh[color=#000000]o[/color]re-house she works) from her ovum to fertilize her feces, that explains why you are so full of SH[color=#000000]I[/color]T!

I also blame the quack doctor that performed the r(rectum)-section delivery!

Top of both leagues, have some of that!

coogar: because you have nothing to say....



things have changed since then....firstly, it was under a different manager(aragones)
since 2010, the whole continent has moved to playing 4-2-3-1 from their traditional
formation.....then there's now the emergence of busquets and xabi alonso has redefined
himself. so of what essence would it be to sacrifice xavi as a pivot when cesc cannot
even retain possession as much as xavi? you are very daft!



i know you would put a spin in this.
all i said was cesc is more likely to give the ball away trying
hollywood passes than xavi, iniesta and busquets. the stats
proved so, why are you still moaning like a [color=#000000]b[/color]itch?
your rebuttal to that was comparing joe allen to maradona.



yes, you must play with 2 pivots.

in the last world cup....

spain - alonso + busquets
holland - de jong + van bommel
germany - schweini + khedira

football managers have now learnt to be more cautious
and reactive than going gung-ho and getting thrashed.

ritchboy, you are a disgrace to football punditry!
rest one of busquets or alonso? in 2012? your brains should
be quarantined.

You still dey yarn?

Anyway before I sign out it's imperative I don't leave you believing this myth Cesc cannot retain possession as well as Keita and co by letting you know Cesc doesn't play furthest forward because he has the lowest pass completion percentage, he has the lowest pass completion percentage because he plays furthest forward.

Anyone with half-a-brain knows it's easier to keep the ball closer to your goal where (A) The opposition are happier to let you have it and there is less pressure, and (B) You're attempting far less risky passes(i.e through balls). That's why DMs/DLMs(incl. Denilson, Mikel, Keita etc) always have some of the highest pass completion rates.

Go and check Cesc's ratio when he played deeper and make sure you keep tissue on stand by!

P.S. According to your logic Joe Allen is the sixth best "shape keeper" in Europe, no?

vizman4i: [color=#000099][i]The Mirror is reporting that Arsenal have agreed a fee of £13million with Montpellier for France international striker Olivier Giroud.

Arsenal have been linked with Giroud for a while, but media reports now say that Arsenal and Montpellier had agreed on a transfer fee.

In even more good news, there are reports that Marouane Chamakh could move the other way as part of the deal.

Both Chelsea and QPR were thought to be in the hunt for Giroud, but Arsenal’s reported bid has put them in pole position, because it activates a £12.8million release clause in the player’s contract.

Last season Giroud scored 25 goals and added 9 assists in 43 games for Montpellier.

With the signing of Lukas Podolski earlier this summer and now Giroud, Arsene Wenger has significantly improved Arsenal attacking option next season. And even if van Persie leaves, Arsenal will still have some quality forwards who can score[img][i]The Mirror is reporting that Arsenal have agreed a fee of £13million with Montpellier for France international striker Olivier Giroud.

Arsenal have been linked with Giroud for a while, but media reports now say that Arsenal and Montpellier had agreed on a transfer fee.

In even more good news, there are reports that Marouane Chamakh could move the other way as part of the deal.

Both Chelsea and QPR were thought to be in the hunt for Giroud, but Arsenal’s reported bid has put them in pole position, because it activates a £12.8million release clause in the player’s contract.

Last season Giroud scored 25 goals and added 9 assists in 43 games for Montpellier.

With the signing of Lukas Podolski earlier this summer and now Giroud, Arsene Wenger has significantly improved Arsenal attacking option next season. And even if van Persie leaves, Arsenal will still have some quality forwards who can score.[font=Lucida Sans Unicode][/font]https://www.nerdbear.com/nerdbear/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/autre-nouveau-venu-le-geant-montpellierain-olivier-giroud_16610_w460.jpeg[/img]

Good bit of bidnezz if true with Chamakh going the other way. Improving quality without increasing the numbers.

chamotex: You might wanna edit this part

I have Lescott! Almost got Nasri too but opted for Xavi instead.

dayokanu: Empty as usual getting schooled on how many fronts today?

Says the plank who thinks RVP was mediocre at Euro 2008. . . Dayokanu, you are a disgrace to your genus!

dayokanu: I am saying he was mediocre as usual.

Good, now that we've confirmed your plankness, can you keep quiet?

dare2think: lol

Suddenly Ritchboy, you developed comprehension skills? Which Question?

Lol go figure.

You really sound pathetic and immature with your lame responses coupled with more pathetic attempts to sound abusive.

Your prerogative!

Van persie is a choker. Deal with it. Pathetic player, pathetic club

He is nothing compared to Drogba. Sucks right? Cant blame reality!

Words of a loser. . After I've taken you to the cleaners this is the nonsense you come up with?

RVP is better than all strikers in Chelsea's history bar none!!!

Chelsea is the most pathetic/disgusting club in the history of Association Football bar none!!!

Now f[color=#000000]u[/color]ck the f[color=#000000]u[/color]ck off!!!

dayokanu: And I asked you what did he do in both competitions other than fill up space

I'm saying he played well at those competitions, even managing 3 goals in 7 or 8 games from the wing/deeper role when Nistelrooy was the main striker.

Are you saying he played badly? Answer quick so we can confirm you are a plank.

dare2think: Do not insult messi by using him as an example!

Yes! he has choked in some games.

OH!

However, time and time over his goals has been instrumental in winning Barca a lot of trophies. Sadly, same cant be said about the choker.

Of course if you play at the right CLUB at the right time you'll win trophies irrespective of how good or bad you are. John O'Shea won loads at United, Ronaldo never won the UCL. If Messi played for Wolves he won't win anything and according to you his goals become irrelevant and he becomes a "choker". Has your cerebral cortex has expired?

You cant abuse your way out of answering my own question!

Which question? How big a tool you are? Did you answer all my questions? The irony.

Ps. I agree the first example is a bit harsh. I hold my hands up and exclude that.

You should hold your brain up cos it's not doing it's job.

The other two I stand by, he played the full games and was found wanting when needed. Basically, he choked.

He may not have been at his best, but if you're suggesting he played badly/"choked" in those games then you should be lobotomized by a mad-scientist.

1025: @ricthboy,
i don't know ur age but one thing is sure, we are not mates. i will wait for the moderator to take action or i will act on my own. i come here to have fun and not to be insulted by untrained kids.
here is not a mental rehab so if ur parents have lost control of u, u will never be a problem to ppl who don't know anything about ur conception.
all these ppl u insult here talk football with facts and figures and u lack information hence u result to insults.
how old is van persie in epl? what has he won apart from this season's highest goal scorer? even as he has won it now, he has nothing again to prove so he wants to move on. even those he can to epl before have trophies to show for their times in epl. be reminded that the next insult i get from you will be directed to somebody i know will be my mate in ur household.

The Re[color=#000000]t[/color]ard Of Oz emerges!

dare2think: Where was he in Arsenal vs Birmingham Carling cup final 2011?

You mean the final he scored the equalizer before being taken off injured?

When a single goal was needed in the second half of CHAMPIONS league match with Ac milan this year, where was he?

Another game he scored? You want him to score two or three goals every game?

Sunderland 2 vs Arseanl 0, fa cup, this year, where was the choker?

This is the best you can do? Is this the part i start listing the gazillion games other world class players have failed to score/"choked"? At this point i have to refrain from calling you reta[color=#000000]r[/color]ded because that would be slandering retards.

Now your turn to show me matches in which he has not choked and eventually led them to a cup victory?
All that nonsense you listed are irrelevant because none led to any cup victory!

Messi's 64 goals in the league/UCL are "irrelevant" because they didn't lead to cup glory, no? Messi with 14 UCL goals "choked" in the competition, he did miss a crucial penalty, didn't he?

Player B scoring the winning goal makes Player A(who scored the equalizer and got injured/subbed) a better footballer, correct?

Calling you a mo[color=#000000]r[/color]on would be a compliment. . . No words can accurately depict you. I'd have to receive the holy ghost and speak in tongues to do your status justice.

dare2think: lol.

Why not debunk my claims rather than resort to childish rhetorics!

When your trolls inundate Tottenham and other Epl team's threads, where art thou?


Stick to the debate loony and prove to me why Van persie is not the ultimate choker!

Oh, my bad this is a team's thread in which its fans actually think achieving a first four finish is equal to winning trophies!

Stop being a girl pants dude. Its all for fun and games!

Your'e right, i should remove the poll cos even 1025 cannot descend to this level of daftness.

Debunk what? Your sterling stupidi[color=#000000]t[/color]y? You claimed RVP "always chokes when it matters" and i asked you to provide examples which you have blatantly failed to do. I then remind you he scored against all the top teams he faced last season bar City, in fact all the teams he faced bar Fulham/Marsielle and your retort is they were irrelevant because Arsenal didn't win the cups?

Are you not a nutter?

lalaboi: I don't think Witchie is in the right frame of mind to understand you lol. You should know by now that arsenal fan see "3rd place finish:, Beating chelsea, beating barcelona or Citeh or UTD as "Achievemnets" nowadays. You cant blame them, its been 7years

Another ret[color=#000000]a[/color]rded Chelsea fan enters the fray!

Lalaboiy, I'm considering adding you to the poll

dayokanu: You are obviously r33tarded. What did he do at both World cup 2006 and Euro 2008?. In world cup 2010 playing as a striker for the team he could only manage 1 goal in 7 games where he averaged 85min per game. WHAT A WASTE OF SPACE

FACT is RvP has score 4 goals in 4 tournaments playing for an attacking side like the Dutch.

On Saturday, the coach had to start making excuses for him on his atrocious game and how he cost his team points

Below is what a journalist have to say about him

50min: I'm pretty sure in a north London safe-house somewhere, Arsenal boss Arsene Wenger is keeping the real Van Persie under wraps in cotton wool.

In some weeks this m0r0n would come and tell us how Van Useless was stellar in the game and his zillion missed chances were part of the game plan.

I asked you about Euro 2008 and 2006 WC and look at all the rubbish you are typing. . . Dayokanu, were you born an id[color=#000000]i[/color]ot or did you evolve?

Poll of the day:

Who is the most ret[color=#000000]a[/color]rded Chelsea fan?

A. Dare2think

B. 1025

C. Tie

coogar: schweini is a pivot pairing with khedira to form a double pivot.
they link the defence with the 4 forward players. xavi cannot play in there!
you were the one saying one of busquets or alonso should be dropped...i told
you they won't be dropped.




nah...the lice in your nether region was too stubborn to admit this is tournament football
and not a friendly match against vanuatu. spain play 4-2-3-1 in tournaments. defensive
stability is a priority.



cos i never knew cesc would start ahead of his strikers....but i said
cesc can't be trusted to play in the midfield ahead of the quartet of xavi, iniesta, busi
and alonso. i said cesc can only play a forward role where his funky passes wouldn't hurt
his team as much.



which yeye perks.....what has this gotta do with our argument that cesc can't be trusted
in the midfield? del bosque played him as a striker for a reason and if he could trust cesc,
he coulda moved him back to the midfield and sub one of alonso/busi for a striker....but it
was cesc that got subbed.

your idiotic assumption that cesc is also better than iniesta was finally put to bed last night.
iniesta murdered cesc with his almost messi-like performance. dribbling players at will,
providing the passes, linking the play, etc. ritchboy, it's time you start paying attention
to football in the advanced level and stop your douchebaggery watery analysis.

I don't have time to be yarning long thing with you, but to sum up, you think:

A. Xavi cannot play alongside a primary DM(something he's already done a billion times including Euro 200[color=#000000]8[/color]), but Schweinsteiger can.

B. Fabregas cannot retain possession.

C. To win a tournament, you MUST play with two "pivots".

Coogar, you are a disgrace!

dayokanu: One bad game is what you call it?

1 goal in 600mins at South Africa

2 goals in 220 at Euro 2008

1 goal in 340mins at World cup 2006

So van Pussiiiee has 4 goals 1,250mins at Major tournaments? Thats 1 goal ever 312 min or better still 1 goal every 3 and half games

Poor for a Dutch striker

You must be absolutely mad if you're suggesting RVP wasn't good at Germany '06 or Euro '08.

All these ediots just run to soccernet and see he scored x goals in y games and draw ret[color=#000000]a[/color]rded conclusions.

Did you even watch those competitions or you read Complete Sports? Can you even tell me where he played?

dare2think: Which of those games mattered? Did winning any of those -now- irrelevant games benefit arsenal in terms of winning any major cup?

You must be a Chelsea fan considering your alarming level of stu[color=#000000]p[/color]idity. So all Arsenal's games last season were "irrelevant"? All United's games were irrelevant? Bayern? All Barca's League/UCL games were irrelevant? Messi's 64 goals were also "irrelevant"?

Your cranial cavity should be converted to an ashtray!!

Sun Of A Beach already staking a claim to be made the next permanent manager of Prolific CockBlockerz.

Dikembe Mutombo isn't faring too well though!

alonso and busquets must start...this is tournament football.
spain would use the double pivot....holland had de jong and van bommel....
germany had schweini and khedira even though they coulda played any of
kroos and goetze instead of khedira. in tournament football, 2 holders must sit!
spain would certainly play alonso and busquets

Mr Mumu, if you consider Swiny part of the "pivot" then you must be completely mad to suggest Xavi can't do the same.

as predicted, busi, alonso, xavi, iniesta all started.

Hehehe "as predicted", even the lice in your nether region knew they would start so what exactly did you "predict"?

Your "prediction" was Cesc would only start the final group game, one of his aforementioned clones must have scored then!

I'm sure i also told you few years ago the perks of playing for Barca/Real.

except that it didn't ruin spain in their last 2 major competitions.

Euro 2008 doesn't count as Aragones' Spain wasn't as possession obsessed as Del Bosque's. Go and watch it again in 3D!

I'm sure you'll also agree Spain won games more convincingly at Euro 2008 than at SA 2010 despite having better players at the World Cup, what does that tell you?

what ruined barcelona against chelsea wasn't about reluctance to give it away.

Sure it did, did you not see the amount of times they were playing casual 5-yard "make e no spoil for my hand" passes and ignoring other options?

cesc fabregas ruined barcelona, his brainfarts in front of goal missing
gilt-edge chances was well documented in spite of chelsea's ultradefensive tactics,
barcelona stillbreached their defence several times @ the bridge with cesc missing glorious chances.

Stop talking nonsense my friend, Cesc was Barca's best player over two legs. He missed(air-shot) ONE chance at SB and had a brilliant mini-chip-shot heading straight for the bottom corner cleared off the line fantastically(no fault of his). Which glorious chances are you talking about? If Sanchez/Messi had converted the chances/penalty he created the story coulda been different.

spain cannot flop...barcelona missed villa's marksmanship in front of goal.
in this tournament, spain would have llorente and nando torres who wouldn't
be as wasteful as cesc fabregas in front of goal.

LOL!

what a stupid way of flipping an argument. i said cesc fabregas cannot retain possession and
he's the player most likely to give the ball away in their midfield and you laughed at my claim.

Is your claim not laughable?

i then brought out stats that vindicated my claim and you quickly turned it into joe allen's credentials.

You mean you actually feel "vindicated"? This is serious!

Your stats also "vindicate" the fact Seydou Keita retains possession better than Alonso, Cesc, Iniesta and Busquets!!!

I can't even laugh.

we are talking about keeping possession - the ethos of tiki-taka and you are talking about fabregas....
a player that is not disciplined enough positionally and would often attempt risky/hollywood passes
the only area of the pitch cesc can fit is in the forward area, where his giving the ball away won't
hurt the team so much. in a nutshell, cesc is like gerrard..too impatient to fit the tiki taka philosophy!

And Seydou Keita is the king of your own brand of tiki-taka?

in the midfield....xavi, busquets, iniesta and alonso must start. i can put your life on it.

Iniesta playing wide has half-defeated the purpose. Spains best formation =

back five

Busquets/Alonso Xavi

Silva Cesc Iniesta

CF

except that cesc's 86.9% possession + 200 key passes + 50 assists led barcelona to their worst season since 2008.

You mean they cloned Cesc to fill 11 positions on the field simultaneously? Why not Sanchez or even a previous squad-member?

In your defense, you did say "as deep as" last season, which doesn't take much to beat.

nateevs: Dude. . Football does not work "only on a set of principles".

Chelsea can line up a very decent midfield in a combination of Mikel and Lamps in a double pivot and Mata in the hole.
This is one of the best midfield 3 in the PL.

However, one of the reasons Chelsea had to defend deep against the opposition mentioned is because almost always broke down on the forward line. With Drogba, Malouda, Kalou, Ramires, there was not enough quality in ball retention. They lost the ball more often and it's only a matter of time before midfield is overrun.

With the inclusion of Marin, Hulk, Hazard and Mata in the hole we suddenly have an att mid/forward line that could cause problems.
Hazard and Marin are players that can pick up the ball and walk into the opposition half.
Opposition knows this and the plan will be to double on these players and that's where it changes.

When two players on the flanks in certain "team A" need to be doubled on, then the opposition suddenly has two midfield players with more work to do on the flanks in addition to dominating possession. Because they know this team has a forward line dangerous not just on the break but even with posssession, they become less inventive with passes. This will cause them to push back a little in preparation for defensive cover. The outcome is "Team A" also has less pressure and allowing their midfielders to get on the ball more. This is an example of how a mobile and threatening forward line can help a team win midfield battles.

All this is secondary. . . Sure, Hazard can help keep opposition honest(even Theo Walcott does this with sheer pace) and make the midfielders' job a little easier but it's still up to the midfielders to do the main job. Silva and sons can also "pick up the ball and walk into the opposition half" but Mancini still parks his Lambo at Emirates every season because his midfield is no match for Arsenal's in possession.

As long as it's still Ramires, Lampard, Miereles and co in the middle of the park don't expect to roll up to Allianz Arena and play "high blocks" because Bayern are scared of Hazard and Marin.

A classic example of this is Bayern V Chelsea, Bayern did not win the midfield battle because they typically have a better midfield than Chelsea. They did because they had threatening forward players in Ribery and Robben.

This is patently false as Schweinsteiger and Kroos are miles ahead of Lampard and Mikel in possession of the ball. Ribery and Robben are the most threatening wingers on earth but don't expect them to win midfield battle for Bayern at Nou Camp.

dayokanu: The Dutch were only negative vs Spain

Holland started most if not all their games with De Jong+Van Bommel and Kuyt patrolling the wings. Can you tell me the poor games he had?

And from you watching the game you didnt see point blank chances Van persie was missing?

Which striker hasn't missed chances?

A strikers performance is at the mercy of ppl behind him?

Sure, at the World Cup the service was nonexistent.

Euro 2008 scored 2 goals in 4 games, World cup 2006 1 goal in 4 games.

He has 4 goals in 3 different tournaments now.

"Games" is a layman's word. If you come on in stoppage time it counts as a "game". How many minutes did he play? I'm sure you're also aware he played on the wings before 2010.

And today he was also diabolical

You need a cornea transplant.

dare2think: May thunder fire whoever compares van persi with Drogba!!!

That dude always choking when it matters.

Examples? Another nutter on the loose.

He choked thrice at Stamford Bridge right? Choked at Anfield twice, choked versus United twice, Choked thrice vs Dortmund, choked vs Spurs, Milan, Udinese and all but three of the teams he faced last season? The boy is a real choker!

dayokanu: How many chances did Persie get and blew?

In the first half 6th min shoots off target when he was alone in the box, 42nd min he failed to control a simple pass in the box and missed the chance

In the 49min in the box again and he couldnt control the ball

3 huge chances Van persie alone in the box, no marker cant shoot on target and he cant even get a save from the keeper

BTW Robben didnt start 2010 world cup so Robben cant be blamed

Bros, no be only you watch match. . . people who actually didn't see the game will be mislead by these bogus analyses of yours.

Van persie is known to disappear for the NT whenever it matters

Wow, you deciphered all this from just one World Cup? You've just tattooed "problem of induction" on your forehead.

What about Euro 2008? The World Cup before that? Even in SA you'll be hard pressed to find a game he played badly. Worst case scenario he had "quiet" games no thanks to BVM's negative tactics. A striker's performance is at the mercy of the people behind him.

nateevs: Dude it's all about the setup. Suckers for English football don't see football any other way.
The obsession with winning 50-50s, midfield battles, defending deep, makes you think football is science.

Do Iniesta, Xavi, Busquets, Sergio, Alcantara look like midfielders who "can win midfield battles" ?
But they win battles except in a way unfamiliar to many. They win the midfield battle "attacking".

Hell Atletic Bilbao won the midfield battles over two legs against United.
Valencia destroyed supposedly one of the most resilient teams in the PL - Stoke.
These guys are not built like tanks, yet they run English teams to the ground in midfield.

Football is an art and there are more than one way to reach your goal.
While many believe that sliding tackles and power play is the way to win midfield battles, there are others who believe possession and zonal pressing, even with seemingly little and weak footballers, is the way to win it.

Nattevs, you are an embarrassment!

How the feck did you translate "midfield battle" to 50-50s, sliding tackles, "power play", etc!? Abi when did Arsenal midfield become renowned for winning 50-50s, sliding tackles and power play!? Obviously midfield battle = possession.

My point is, whether Hulk, Hazard, Mata and Marin can win midfield battles is heavily dependent on the system employed by the manager not their size or their strength.

Of course Marin, Hazard and Hulk won't win you any midfield battles because they are not midfielders. The team that wins the midfield battle dictates possession. The team that surrenders possession can only play up to a certain level("low/medium blocks" [c] AVB) before they get slaughtered by more skilled opposition. So I'm wondering how Hulk and Hazard will turn Miereles/Ramires to Busquets/Xavi(possession kings) that afford you the luxury of "never having to defend as deep as before". How will Hazard and Hulk help you play higher up the field @ Nou Camp, Allianz Arena or The Emirates?

I also like how you make Wilshere, Arteta, Song look like the best discovery ever.

They may not be the best discovery ever but they will dominate possession against any other midfield in the league more often than not. But apparently you think Hazard and Hulk will have a big say.

coogar: i did not say they aren't skilful....i said they are not in the
top tier of the skilful players in europe. you wouldn't put
anyone up there with berbatov....would you?

not to talk of nani, cristiano, okocha, van persie, ozil, etc.

Can you define "skilful"? In any definition Figo is at the "top tier". Forget e-diotic step-overs/flicks, Figo's natural tekkers shyte on Ronaldo/Nani every day of the week. AS IN LUIS FIGO!?!?!?

coogar: his is tournament football.....the difference between winning and losing
is a fine line: things like giving the ball away. that was what ruined
cesc against barcelona @ nou camp when he was still a gunner.
cesc is more likely to give the ball away with his risky/hollywood passes
than xavi and iniesta.

Focusing too much on not giving the ball away is what ruined Barca against Chelsea. Managers have become more adept at playing possession teams. In fact i have a strong feeling Spain will be one of the biggest flops at the Euros with their nonsense formation.

pass completion stats
92.4% - xavi
92.7% - thiago
91.9% - seydou keita
91.5% - busquets
89.7% - iniesta
88.1% - xabi alonso
86.9% - cesc

as far as passing the ball is concerned, cesc is the worst midfielder
in barcelona. xabi alonso even posts a better passing stats.

Joe Allen is also the sixth most accurate passer of the ball in Europe where stats are concerned. I will also show you stats that put the likes of Denilson in similar standing. Abeg, go and show your stats to six year olds.

The difference is Cesc's 86.9% in X amount of games will result in 200 key passes and 50 assists while Xavi's 92.7% won't get anywhere near. Let's not get started with the goals. . .

coogar: cesc has no discipline to hold position, xavi does.

Rubbish. Let's even assume this is true, the mandate of an AM is not to "hold position". While Cesc will be busy supplying assists and making good runs into the area to score goals, Xavi would be too preoccupied "holding position", maybe he is too disciplined!

cesc cannot retain possession, xavi can.

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Ibime is the only nucca making brain here. . .

I see Nateevs is still living in la la land thinking signing Hazard/Hulk/Marin means Chelsea "will never need to defend as deep as we did" forgetting teams with better offensive units(i.e Man City) still come to the Emirates and camp in their 6-yard box. Abi how will Hulk and Hazard help you win midfield battle against Song-Arteta-Wilshere

Coogar also thinks Rivaldo, Kaka and Figo aren't skilful