₦airaland Forum

igbodefender:
You are talking from a closed mindset. It is a hallmark of people who are not ready to change their views even if caught wrong. So, we have nothing to discuss. Run along kid.

Explain yourself.

I insist, Igbos have never at anytime in history spoken Yoruba language , except for those who have lived in Yorubaland in contemporary times. Explain why Olukumi people and their traditional rulers speak a language Yorubas can understand perfectly while Igbos can't understand a phrase let alone a sentence.

Explain why their kings had always had Yoruba names.

By the way, the guy you are talking to is above 40. Not a kid. Watch your mouth.

igbodefender:
If more facts are posted you will still look for something to say, because you don't want to agree that the Igbos once occupied parts of the South West. So, no need.

Abba!!!You people want make Yorubaland part of Dead Biafra.

Now I understand the underlying reason why Igbos decided against reason and common sense to invade the defunct Western Region during the Civil Wars.

Thetruthsayer10:
what do u mean

Sorry, I thought you are supporting the landgrabbers. Sorry again.

Thetruthsayer10:
no mind them losers and thief

Won a gba!

Thetruthsayer10:
the lucumi are descendants of Yoruba in Cuba not Nigeria the olukumi are the ones who came from owo Akure axis in Ondo State are presently in delta the account of Moremi is still known to the ugbo people which she betrayed no modern day igbo knows it in oral history or factual history before Nigeria was created.

Th
Twisting history again. You are pathetic. Aren't! I tire for this people o.

zeuchineesnacks:
yet somehow u feel like the real losers always backstabbing and kissing ars to gain relevance. Speaking of land grabbing who was the president that passed the land grabbing act? U have been grabbing land since the war ended yet look at ur lives. Smh! Cursed

Still smarting from the loss of 2015 election after 2 years. O ga o.

igbodefender:
Igbo scholars of UNN are currently studying this particular issue, so just be patient.

But let us ask o. Why are you always interested in Igbo affairs? Do you have a confession to make? Share it. Don't hold back. A problem shared is a problem solved.

Even if you are not Igbo, you can still learn our tricks of greatness.

Igbos don't and have never spoken Yoruba at any time in history except for those who live in Yorubaland in contemporary times.

igbodefender:
Olukwumi is a short form for the phrase " Nya na o lukwu mu". Pay an Igbo around you to tell you the meaning.

To know its historical context, go buy the book "History Of The Igbo World" on Amazon. Now clear off!

Explain how Yoruba names managed to smuggle itself into Olukumi long lines of royal successions for 250 years on and till now. Explain why they are now trying to preserve their language which is intelligible to Yoruba's but strange and unintelligible to Igbos

Losers and landgrabbers.

igbodefender:
Mumu.

The Moremi saga occurred long before the nation state system came into being. Get this into your slow beanseed. The Lucumi are Igbos, and there's no amount of lies from you that can change that fact

Would recommend Yaba left for you to have your brain examined

Thetruthsayer10:
ask him wat olukumi means in ibo

Olukumi means The Lord has blessed me in Yoruba. It can also be interpreted to mean The Lord has increased me. It is a blessed name.

Please, what does Olukumi means in Igbo.

Thetruthsayer10:
where have the olukumi claim they are ibo they always claim olukumi coz that’s what they are known as even before the left Yoruba land. U wish the language will die so u can claim them it will not work they still bear Yoruba name eg their king ayo

Ayo=Joy in Yoruba language

igbodefender:
The Lucumi are Igbo with their homeland deep in Igbo Land. Sorry kid, but that's the way the cookie crumbles.

Olodo!

Ugbodu actually means Igbodumila a Yoruba word meaning "preserved in the forest".Are you now saying the numerous Igbos living in Lagos who have assimilated into Yoruba culture and do not speak Igbo are no more Igbos. They are now Yoruba abi, because they speak Yoruba and not Igbo.

Where did you keep your brain before joining this discussion.

Nonaira1:
Go and tell that to my sister's husband and the rest of his family and towns people who are olukumnis.

Go and tell that to zeal onyecheme, Rita odika, etc
All of whom no dey claim una

Desperate attache by force
Have shame!!!

Most Olukumis don't know their history. Their elders should do something about it. I have met elderly people from the delta region who told me they are actually Yoruba while the younger people from the same place are denying it altogether..

Nonaira1:
Keep on decieving unaselves. Until i start seeing young ones aming them speaking yoruba language then you can start with the "they preserving their language". Preserving the language yet only elders speak am . Like I told that other niggas go dig up their dead from centuries ago since una are that desperate.

Seriously when we start seeing just one known person from that area start claiming una then una can talk. Y'all just look mighty pathetic and desperate

You people's dreams of extending your delusional Biafra into the Delta will never succeed. Biafra dead forever. Nigeria lives forever

Yoruba are not interested in annexation. Nigeria remains one indivisible entity forever.
Long live the Federal Republic.

Yyeske:
For the last time, it means people, what is the meaning of Yoruba in Yoruba language?

It means Oyo ruled by an Oba. YORUBA!

PROUD TO BE A YORUBA

PROUD OF OUR HIDTORY

PROUD OF OUR HERITAGE

PROUDLY YORUBA

PROUDLY NIGERIAN

LONG LIVE THE FEDERAL REPUBLIC OF NIGERIA

Yyeske:
I don't want maybes, I want the meaning of Yoruba in Yoruba language.
I've told you the meaning of Igbo in the Igbo language and you guys are yet to reciprocate, accept the fact, Yoruba was imposed on you guys by outsiders and that is why you don't know the meaning in the language.
Funny enough, a non Yoruba coined a word to describe your people and you willingly accepted it as your heritage. Good luck on that one. [/quote[quote author=Nonaira1 post=65896541]

See desperation.

The bead hat is the same.
The white cloth is the same.
The necklace is the same

The only thing different is the neckbrace which asagba wears for special occasions.

Let me help you cry and dig your head deeper some more.

Asagba again
Nri king
Ubulu uku king

All wearing those chinese clothes. No mind that ugbodu king wearing chinese clothes trying to take shine away from una attache by force.

We leant from history that Yoruba communities who were separated from the main group after the Benin Kingdom invasion and conquest of parts of Yorubaland were forced to adopt customs of their neighbours to reduce discrimination and prevent ethnic cleansing. It was a survival strategy for them.

You now know why their mode of dressing is different from the Yoruba way of dressing.

Yyeske:
Somebody coined the word before you decided to adopt it, good but it has no meaning in the language itself which means it was imposed on you

IT DOES NOT MATTER WHO COINED THE WORD. MIND YOUR OWN BUSINESS TROUBLEMAKER!

Yyeske:
Lol, a credible link indeed so why is Igbo in the names of people and places I talked about?
Remember you have not given me any examples in Yorubaland

The Benin Kingdom invasion of parts of Yorubaland from the eastern front led to Yoruba minorities and subgroups being forced to adopt non-yoruba customs in order to increase acceptability among their new overlords.

The same thing happened in Ilorin where Yoruba people there dress like Hausa people and changed their names into Islamic names, though they still speak their Yoruba language.

Yyeske:
It's obvious to everyone here that Yoruba was actually imposed on you, Nigeria has a meaning, a contraction of two words -----Niger and area, at least your social studies class in primary school should have taught you that.
I've told you the meaning of the examples I gave you but you just want to argue over nothing you know about.
Meanwhile, give me a name of person or place in Yorubaland with Yoruba prefix or suffix and you cannot fit.
Yoruba was imposed on you and your people, QED.

The name Yoruba was not imposed on us by anyone. We chose to adopt it and we are happy with our decision.

It is also important to state here that the sacking of Oyo Kingdom led to the dissolution of the Empire not the defeat of the Yoruba people. The vassal states under the Alaafin regained their independence and fortified themselves militarily and economically.

Subsequent Invasions by the Fulanis were successfully thwarted.Twice they came and we're soundly defeated. Their last attempt was in 1840, which led to all the Yoruba kingdoms donating their best warriors who congregated in Iba -Odan or Camp on a Hill which is today known as Ibadan from which The Yoruba forces fighting with muskets and cannons were unleashed on the invading Fulani invaders The casualties on them was so heavy that they never attempted another Jihad against us again.

Igbos who sees themselves as Fulani slaves should please stop comparing us with them. As far as Fulanis are concerned, they know where we stand with them and where they stand with us.

igbodefender:
Olukumi has their present homeland deep in Delta part of Igbo Land. Name any other place in Africa where it is spoken indigenously apart from Anaocha Local Government in the Igbo part of Delta State.

The other people that speak it are the descendants of the Olucumis that were taken to America during the Transatlantic Slave Trade.

Olucumi is an ancient Igbo Language.

Olukumi people are Yoruba people just like the Ishekiri people of the Warri Kingdom. These people nearly almost lost their identities due to pressure to conform to the way of life of the Bini people as those who do not were severely persecuted by the Binis at the height of their power. These led to adoptions of Non-Yoruba customs, names, vocabularies and way of dressing, such that today many of these people can not tell where they originated from anymore.

0monnak0da:
There is no need to create an unnecessary argument.

The Oyo people were the first to be known as Anago or Nago. Other "Yoruba" speakers came to be known by that temrinology especially in the zone of the Oyo Empire.The word itself is an Oyo word

This is well documented by the Portuguese and Spanish centuries ago.
You seem to be suggesting that migration stopped with the creation of Nigeria. You will be surprised to find out how many Yorubas living in Porto Novo are of Nigerian origin . Not Just Benin but Togo

FYI there was an incident of Nigerians must go in Ghana in the 60s right in the middle of the civil war most of them were Yoruba and that is why the 1981 retaliation went down well in Nigeria though today many don't know it was a retaliation

Emmanuel Adebayor is a good example.He is of Nigerian origin
That is all I have to say on the past .

Regardin listening well or not.

That depends on Your grounding in the language. What may see strange to you is commonplacee to another
I did not and will not comment on what is happening today in Benin but bear in mind that not everyone here is a child.
I remember, I did not read or hear, when Benin was called Dahomey so I have personal acquaintance with changes as they have occurred over time

Stop muddling up issues. The original Yoruba boundaries extend from The coast of present day Ghana to Warri, Delta state Nigeria. Territories were lost in time on three fronts viz;

(1) Fulani Jihad invasion from the northern front

(2)Benin Kingdom invasion from the eastern front

(3)Colonial powers division of Yorubaland on the western front along the coast of West Africa from Ghana to Nigeria.

Most Nigerians especially Yorubas don't know this since history is no longer being taught in our schools.

igbodefender:
Olukumi has their present homeland deep in Delta part of Igbo Land. Name any other place in Africa where it is spoken indigenously apart from Anaocha Local Government in the Igbo part of Delta State.

The other people that speak it are the descendants of the Olucumis that were taken to America during the Transatlantic Slave Trade.

Olucumi is an ancient Igbo Language.

Land-grabbing instinct detected.

0monnak0da:
This is just wrong .
There is no evidence that an person GAVE the name . That any person RECORDED the name allegedly is not the same as giving the name.
The name Yoruba was generally applied to Oyo people and or close Northern Yoruba groups it did not Apply to Egba,Ijebu Ekiti etc.
The evidence for this is in the Oriki of these groups and this is why we advocate teaching Yoruba to young people. A lot of these orikis are on YouTube study them.
Whether the word Yoruba was applied to Oyo people by Ijebus,Ekitis Egbas or even Edo is debatable and would probably never be unravelled but the Oyo people exclusively used to be known as Yoruba and I have met in my lifetime old people (now deceased) refer to Abaja as Ila Yoruba(Oyo tribal marks)
It is only after colonizatiion and Nigeria that everyone came to be known as Yoruba.In Benin for long they were know as Nago or Anago.
It is Nigeria that forced this Yoruba identity on everyone but historically it was the Oyos and arguably this name was applied to them by any one of their neighbours whether from the Oduduwa group or not no one knows

Igbos trying to twist our history on this thread should shut up and find something else to do.

The name Yoruba does not carry any negative connotation. It does not matter to us where it originated from. It was adopted by the people whose origins was from Ile-Ife, the ancestral home of all Yoruba language speaking people to distinguish them from other people. This happened after the fall of the Oyo Empire.

The Yoruba speaking people of the present southwest -Nigeria originally consist of several independent kingdoms or nation states ruled by a king known as Oba. The kingdoms includes Ile-Ife, Oyo, Ijebu, Ilesha, Owo,Ketu, Ede, and several others. Each kingdom had its own boundary and king. I think you could be counting up to 24 or more of them.

Eventually Oyo gained ascendancy amongst the others and dominated them militarily, politically, and economically. The Alaafin of Oyo became the de facto emperor of what was then known as Oyo Empire. The other Yoruba kingdoms became vassal states under the Alaafin paying yearly tributes to the Oyo Kingdom. At that time, the entire Yorubaland whose boundary extends from the coast of present day Ghana to Warri in present day Delta state, south of the Niger Delta was referred to as the Oyo Kingdom.

At the fall of the Oyo Empire which was actually celebrated by the other Yoruba kingdoms due to their desire for independence from Oyo colonialism, the other Yoruba kingdoms quickly reasserted their political independence from Oyo. Overtime, there arose the need for a unifying name with which to identify these people whose ancestry could be traced back to Ile-Ife. Since Oyo and Ile-Ife were formerly co-equal kingdoms , it would be inappropriate to adopt any of these names, hence the adoption of Yoruba.

GBTYO:
Oyoruba, dont you think it is high time you seek your true name?

Maybe from there you can liberate yourselves

Liberate ourselves from what!

We don't have a second class citizens mindset like you people who think you and every other people are slaves to northerners.

You Igbo people are the ones who need deliverance from mental slavery.

Nigeria is not a hopeless country you people are painting it to be. We will certainly emerge from our challenges. It is a matter of time. Believe, pray and do your own part to help the country succeed, not selling fake and adulterated cheap products on the streets of our cities.

GBTYO:
There is no such thing as Yoruba.

Every afonja on this thread has admitted that the term "yoruba" is an alien descriptive.

Instead of you to go and find out what your ancestors called themselves before afonja's betrayal you are here clinging to a dergotray identity.

Pathetic and sad.

The Okumin people have really fallen and their ancestors will be reeling at the insult in their graves.

What's your business with what we chose to call ourselves . How does it concern you. We are happy and proud of who we are. PROUDLY YORUBA!

LONG LIVE THE FEDERAL REPUBLIC OF NIGERIA

GBTYO:
Oyoroba slave, go and search for the oldest living relic in osogbo and ask her what the real name of your tribe is.

slaves

You this guy needs some form of deliverance from some form of demons. Igbo in Yoruba language means "BUSH".tell me when you have ever heard it anywhere of Yoruba people calling Igbos bushmen and bushwomen. We would not do that because it is wrong to do so. You are a wicked, dirty-minded soul if you can not learn to respect what ever name people of other ethnic groups apart from your own chooses to be identified by.

9jakool:
Hello, I see that you've crawled out of your little rat hole. Let me make some things clear so your little rat brain can stop looking for trouble.

Number 1: It's Olukumi, not Olukumin as the title of this thread suggests. I've even heard of other variations like Olukwumi, and even Lukumi, but never Olukumin.

Number 2: The word Yoruba existed long before Ilorin was ever sacked. The first documentation of "Yoruba" was not even by a Hausa but by a Songhai scholar in the 1500s. Ilorin was annexed some centuries later.

Number 3: There is no such thing as "Hausa/Fulani" dialect. Hausa and Fulfulde are completely separate languages on their own right.

Number 4: "Yoruba" is not a derogatory term in the so called "Hausa/Fulani" dialect nor was it ever used as a mockery term. It was simply a name for an ethnic group SW of the Niger River.

Number 5: There is nothing like "Oyoroba." You made that up in your rat brain. The term that Hausas use is "Yorubawa" which is just how they say Yoruba in their language.

Now that you've been educated, you can now crawl back to the hole you came from.

Thanks for educating the Yoruba ethnic group hating ignoramus and demented lowlife.

GBTYO:
Thetruthsayer10, isnt about time you renamed yourself back to your original ancestry name?

Look at all present day "Yoruba" traditional associations, not one single one of them has the word "Yoruba" as part of their description?


Liberate yourself.

Why don't you people just mind your own business. We don't care what you people think about us. Proud to be Yoruba. Proud to be Nigerian.

Still hurting from the loss of 2015 election! Go to Yaba left for examination.

GBTYO:
Oyo and Oba is not the same thing as oyoroba

The etymology of Yoruba is derived from these two words oyo and oba which when combined mean nothing in your olukumi tongue but is a deragoratory term used to describe your people after their defeat at the hands of jihadist invaders.

Not only did they sack your border town of ilorin, your capital in Oyo Ile, killed your General(s), Oba and Princess but also forced all of you to congregrate in the biggest IDP camp ever created -Ibadan.

You see the same Hausa/Fulani are credited in creating Ibadan, because it is from their jihad that you Yorubas all ran and converged in what is today Ibadan - the only city to be founded as a refugee camp!

The OP just heard some bullsh*t non-history from some ignorant and irrelevant idiots and came here hastily to publish it. When will you Igbo guys free yourselves from Yoruba hatred!

lx3as:
'I see'! And they give you so much space to operate in every corner of the West upon this -

" Yoruba attitude is: Igbos are doing great is this area, let's do everything possible to make sure that we stop them from succeeding"

The only beef Yoruba people have with Igbos is the sales of cheap, fake, substandard and adulterated products from Taiwan and China thereby making it difficult for Yorubas in the same line of business who want to remain honest in his dealings with the populace to continue with the business.

murecool:
South-West are happy to have Buhari as President.

The Protest by the South-West against brazen marginalization by the past government made the zone to embrace President Muhammadu Buhari whole heartedly.

Aftermath the 2015 general elections, the South-West have to regretted their decision to massively usher in President Buhari.

PMB has brought out some of the best of South-West and entrusted them with key assignments and responsibilities.

Keys ministries like Power, Works, Housing, Finance, Mines and Steel development, Communication and health portfolios were allot to the South-West.

When it comes to siting of projects, South-West had been favoured. The Lagos-Ibadan dual carriage way which eluded even the attention of OBJ and GEJ has been re-awarded.
More so, PMB made Lagos - Ibadan rail project a starting point for railway development in Nigeria. Similarly, the Lagos - Kano rail line will pass through Ekiti state.

No regrets voting for PMB.
God Bless Nigeria.

Oh, speak for yourself. Don't speak for me.

Rebelutionary:
And Paul the apostle of Love is in?
Please Read IITim 4:14
Your Bible calls God LOVE abi
Do you know HE is also a CONSUMING FIRE?

He is a LAMB that died on the cross
He is also a LION abi

He is our Redeemer
But He is also a JUDGE

So if you only experience HIM in only one aspect, you are not wrong BUT you are missing out on the BIG picture personality of GOD!

Read the Psalms of the man after Gods heart (David) and you will see it replete with such prayer points!

Jesus wasn't "political correct" when he took a koboko and literally whipped some folks OUT OF THE TEMPLE! Someone in our age of political correctness might say "common, he should have preached to them now" abi? So you get it!

If you have had experienced wt such demonically possessed people, you wl have a different mindset of not "petting" them!

Let's be clear, I am not in support and it is unscriptural to pray against HUMAN BEINGS since we wrestle not against flesh and blood but...

How do you explain John3:17 which says, ' God did not send His Son into the World to condemn the World, but that the world through Him might be saved.