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Christianity EtcRe: 4 Reasons I'm Considering Becoming An Atheist by Roycemadeit(m): 3:00pm On Dec 31, 2019
DeepSight:
Question!
Yes it a question
Christianity EtcRe: 4 Reasons I'm Considering Becoming An Atheist by Roycemadeit(m): 2:55pm On Dec 31, 2019
k4kenny:
. However we were created with the freewill to make our own decisions. As a result we're susceptible to occasional sins and transgressions. But the important thing is to seek repentance from these sins and try to live in accordance to the command of God.
So we are given freewill and still punished for exercising it?
Christianity EtcRe: 4 Reasons I'm Considering Becoming An Atheist by Roycemadeit(m): 2:38pm On Dec 31, 2019
DeepSight:
To start with, the precepts of heaven and hell do not particularly feature within my worldview.
I do believe in continuing life though.

Secondly, if (and only if) you believe in a "heaven" why do you say Hitler is there - perhaps this is in line with your expressed thoughts that all souls have always been worthy, that all events are part of the soul experience, and that there is neither wrong nor right per se?
There is no hell, so there is no place else for him to go.

His actions were what you would call mistakes—the actions of an unevolved being—and mistakes are not punishable by condemnation, but dealt with by providing the chance for correction, for evolution. The mistakes Hitler made did no harm or damage to those whose deaths he caused. Those souls were released from their earthly bondage, like butterflies emerging from a cocoon. The people who were left behind mourn those deaths only because they do not know of the joy into which those souls entered. No one who has experienced death ever mourns the death of anyone.

The Hitler Experience was made possible as a result of group consciousness. Many people want to say that Hitler manipulated a group—in this case, his countrymen—through the cunning and the mastery of his rhetoric. But this conveniently lays all the blame at Hitler’s feet—which is exactly where the mass of the people want it.

The world decided—finally—that Hitler was "wrong.” That is to say, the we made a new assessment of Who We Are, and Who We Chose To Be, in relationship to the Hitler Experience.
Christianity EtcRe: 4 Reasons I'm Considering Becoming An Atheist by Roycemadeit(m): 2:14pm On Dec 31, 2019
DeepSight:
The smileys arent helping!

grin
Why do think he might not have?
Christianity EtcRe: 4 Reasons I'm Considering Becoming An Atheist by Roycemadeit(m): 2:10pm On Dec 31, 2019
DeepSight:
Please don't be cryptic. I would appreciate clarity. As it is I can't tell if this is sarcasm or a cryptic suggestion or seriousness or just a joke.
I'm serious cheesy
Christianity EtcRe: 4 Reasons I'm Considering Becoming An Atheist by Roycemadeit(m): 11:39am On Dec 31, 2019
virago:
This is the biggest bullshit I've heard all year
grin grin grin
Christianity EtcRe: 4 Reasons I'm Considering Becoming An Atheist by Roycemadeit(m): 10:56am On Dec 31, 2019
k4kenny:
That was a typo jor grin. Should be imperfections tongue
Actually I was hinting on "God making something imperfect."
Christianity EtcRe: 4 Reasons I'm Considering Becoming An Atheist by Roycemadeit(m): 10:55am On Dec 31, 2019
k4kenny:
That was a typo jor grin. Should be imperfections tongue
Actually I was hinting on on "God making something imperfect."
Christianity EtcRe: 4 Reasons I'm Considering Becoming An Atheist by Roycemadeit(m): 10:17am On Dec 31, 2019
DeepSight:
Thanks, I'll take a look at the book.



Is this all you would say to, for example - a serial killer - who finds happiness therein?
Hitler made Heaven grin
Christianity EtcRe: 4 Reasons I'm Considering Becoming An Atheist by Roycemadeit(m): 9:12am On Dec 31, 2019
k4kenny:
We were created with imperfect.
cool
Christianity EtcRe: 4 Reasons I'm Considering Becoming An Atheist by Roycemadeit(m): 9:09am On Dec 31, 2019
DeepSight:
Once I saw this post, i recognized at once that someone with a more profound grasp of life than usual was speaking. This was heart warming, for it is rare to see, within the dross and dim spectrum of light available in most of the world today. So thank you.

However as you have caught my interest, pardon me as I will have a few questions. I'll start with what you have hinted at up there - namely - moral relativism/ subjectivity. Let me say straight away that I totally "get" moral subjectivity - and moral relativism (both are very close precepts but not quite the same). Nevertheless when pressed on this subject I have mostly found myself standing with objective moral values. Indeed, years ago, i have had marathon debates on this forum on this subject. In those discussions, I dont think I truly let my real position on to my co-discussants - because in my view they had taken far too extreme and therefore far too absurd a position in favour of moral subjectivism/ moral relativism such that if one were to abide with their propositions, it would never be possible to condemn any deed in this world - no matter how grisly, how abominable, how disgusting or how evidently, manifestly and patently against the flow of life and nature such a deed was.

This extremity is what led me to argue objective moral standards in opposition and my question to you is therefore - to what extent would you push the moral subjectivism / moral relativism evident in your post. Do you also espouse it to such a degree that it becomes impossible to ever say of any deed - "this was clearly wrong or evil" - thereby taking us into a blurry moral existence which frankly if ever given legal credence to - would result not just in anarchy but probably even the expedited extinction of our species.

That is my question.

However because of the enlightenment with which you have spoken, and the poetry evident in your pen (which is a weakness for me) I will share with you ahead that I am not a strict moral objectivist in truth, regardless of how ardently I argued that position in the past. I am not a religious person - I subscribe to no religion - for most of my time of this forum I was known as a deist (and suspect I introduced Deism here) - today I would prefer to say that I am agnostic - whilst I believe in the existence of a source, I believe it is beyond remote and thus unknowable. On the question of morality, I believe in certain secular objective moral standards - with the proviso that every moral action has a context and a situation - which must be taken into account. Something I would perhaps call situational or contextual morality.

What say ye, good sir?
I shared most of all I'd said here from one of the books I'd read overtime in my quest for more insight on what life is. I believe all your questions would be answered when you go through its pages. I am not subjected to say anything is wrong or right. All is all in the process of becoming Who We Are.
Christianity EtcRe: 4 Reasons I'm Considering Becoming An Atheist by Roycemadeit(m): 9:03am On Dec 31, 2019
DeepSight:
In terms of the existence of souls, I would stretch that further - we are probably talking not just zillions of years - but such an unquantifiable stretch of time that is beyond the capacity of the mortal mind to grasp.

This is with the proviso though, that time is not an illusion - and it just very well might be. Indeed, almost certainly is.
Time is an illusion. There is no past or present or future.
Christianity EtcRe: 4 Reasons I'm Considering Becoming An Atheist by Roycemadeit(m):
DeepSight:
Profound, incisive, brilliant at once and also poetic.

Two questions strike me here and please oblige me -

1. What informs your reference to God in the feminine.
To think God is one thing, then you will think God is not another. And that would be a large mistake. God is everything. grin

DeepSight:
2. Please can you share your background in terms of philosophy and what writings, if any, have influenced your current take on the meaning of life. Also if you belong to any group or spiritual/ philosophical persuasion.
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Christianity EtcRe: 4 Reasons I'm Considering Becoming An Atheist by Roycemadeit(m): 7:57am On Dec 31, 2019
khia:
@ the Op, those people who died in the Holocaust were not God's people.
You cannot understand a God who will not act as humans would, you are lost.

You believe life exists as a test, a trial, a period of putting you through your paces to see if you are "worthy."

But if you believe that life exists as an opportunity, a process through which you discover— remember—that you are worthy, then it seems insane.

You believe God is an ego-filled God who requires attention, adoration, appreciation, and affection—and will punish or kill if he doesn't get it.

But if you believe that God is without ego or need, but the source of all things, and the seat of all wisdom and love, then your theologies fall apart.

You believe that God is a vengeful God, jealous in His love and wrathful in His anger.

But if you believe God is a peaceful God, joyous in Her love and passionate in Her ecstasy then you belief falls apart.

The purpose of life is not to please God. The purpose of life is to know, and to recreate, Who You Are. In so doing you do please God, and glorify Her as well.
Christianity EtcRe: 4 Reasons I'm Considering Becoming An Atheist by Roycemadeit(m): 7:50am On Dec 31, 2019
khia:
The Hebrews.
You all personalize God and that's where you miss it. We liken God to a Human.
Every culture will tells they are God's own people and of how he is done miracles for them. So if the Hebrews are God's people, my dear you will still not be God's even if you make heaven.

Religion is a bundle of confusion. "The religious" can't give answers to so many logical questions, all they would say is God is not man to think the way we humans do. Yet, they select different portions of their religious books, parts that serve their interest, wrap it with God to incite fear. For example in Christianity, no matter how fervent you are and make heaven, you would still be subjugated to been ruled over by the the twelve tribes of Israel when Christ's new millennial reign begins. What are you all fighting for? I mean when the devil would be imprisoned for a thousand years only and after that he would be released, while y'all, whom the devil has introduced sin to, will burn in hell for eternity.
If the Bible is preached from its beginning to its last page, y'all will be too confused to understand anything. So, what you do is pick the ones you like and serve you.
Christianity EtcRe: 4 Reasons I'm Considering Becoming An Atheist by Roycemadeit(m): 7:44am On Dec 31, 2019
Preetychina22:
Always skeptical.
By past life, do you mean before the British colonial rule and amalgamation or before? Lol cheesy
I'm talking thousands of years. From Atlantis, Egypt, All civilizations BC, and after.
Christianity EtcRe: 4 Reasons I'm Considering Becoming An Atheist by Roycemadeit(m): 2:27am On Dec 31, 2019
midnighter:
You need to learn how to study a text in context. You dont just pick out random verses and compare them and expect them to still make sense to you.

People study theology for years to be able to preach the Bible with wisdom and youre here plucking random verses out of thin air and talking of atheism smh
That's why our pastor's have not written another Bible? They study the one from thousand years ago. Lol
Christianity EtcRe: 4 Reasons I'm Considering Becoming An Atheist by Roycemadeit(m): 2:23am On Dec 31, 2019
whitelotus:
Everything, including my excrement? Shite? Feces?
you suppose he is not?
You are actually limiting God. You are seeing her as a human. Lol. Congratulations.
Christianity EtcRe: 4 Reasons I'm Considering Becoming An Atheist by Roycemadeit(m): 2:17am On Dec 31, 2019
Pataricatering:
And u chose Nigeria ?
Yes, life is about creating, experiencing. Life isn't come, do and go forever. We chose our family, our country even our complexion. If you understand that as spirit we don't die, that as spirit we are part of God, you will see that our life is forever and all this Nigeria talk wouldn't matter. At the end, you'd go to another place for another experience. No spirit is young, what is young is our bodies. Residue of our past life's we see in form of dreams.



Do you know that your family, those you have around you as friends too, you all have met in different life times? I need not say more. Understand that nothing is ever an accident.
Christianity EtcRe: 4 Reasons I'm Considering Becoming An Atheist by Roycemadeit(m):
grin
Christianity EtcRe: 4 Reasons I'm Considering Becoming An Atheist by Roycemadeit(m): 8:42pm On Dec 30, 2019
Most of the New Testament writers never met or saw Jesus in their lives. They lived many years after Jesus left the Earth. They wouldn’t have known Jesus of Nazareth if they walked into him on the street. But. The Bible writers were great believers and great historians. They took the stories which had been passed down to them and to their friends by others—elders—from elder to elder, until finally a written record was made.

And not everything of the Bible authors was included in the final document.

Already "churches” had sprung up around the teachings of Jesus—and, as happens whenever and wherever people gather in groups around a powerful idea, there were certain individuals within these churches, or enclaves, who determined what parts of the Jesus Story were going to be told—and how. This process of selecting and editing continued throughout the gathering, writing, and publishing of the gospels, and the Bible.

Even several centuries after the original scriptures were committed to writing, a High Council of the Church determined yet one more time which doctrines and truths were to be included in the then-official Bible—and which would be "unhealthy” or "premature” to reveal to the masses.
Christianity EtcRe: 4 Reasons I'm Considering Becoming An Atheist by Roycemadeit(m): 8:35pm On Dec 30, 2019
Goldenheart002:
There's nothing like sin?
Do u mean it's okay to kill, steal, rape, do all sorts of evil and be cool?? I need clarification, pls
Evil, bad are all perspective.


There is no coincidence, and nothing happens "by accident.” Each event and adventure is called to your Self by your Self in order that you might create and experience Who You Really Are.

God is in the sadness and the laughter, in the bitter and the sweet. There is a divine purpose behind everything—and therefore a divine presence in everything.

Although, we have been raised to believe that good and bad do exist; that right and wrong are opposed; that some things are not okay, not alright, not acceptable in the sight of God. But, I tell you everything is "acceptable” in the sight of God, for how can God not accept that which is? To reject a thing is to deny that it exists. To say that it is not okay is to say that it is not a part
of God—and that is impossible..

Our ideas about right and wrong are just that—ideas. They are the thoughts which form the shape and create the substance of Who we Are. There would be only one reason to change any of these; only one purpose in making an alteration: if you are not happy with Who you Are.

If your values serve you, hold to them. Argue for them. Fight to defend them.

Finally, nothing happens without God. If God isn't there it means God is limited.
Christianity EtcRe: 4 Reasons I'm Considering Becoming An Atheist by Roycemadeit(m): 7:51pm On Dec 30, 2019
Bluezy13:
Please, to which faith do you belong ??
I am not religious.
Christianity EtcRe: 4 Reasons I'm Considering Becoming An Atheist by Roycemadeit(m): 11:49am On Dec 30, 2019
Stick to your beliefs, if that serves you. Hold tight. Do not waiver. For your ideas about "right” and "wrong” are your definitions of Who You Are. Yet do not require that others define themselves according to your terms. And do not stay so "stuck” in your present beliefs and customs that you halt the process of evolution itself.
Christianity EtcRe: 4 Reasons I'm Considering Becoming An Atheist by Roycemadeit(m): 11:49am On Dec 30, 2019
Men invented the devil to scare people into doing what they wanted, under the threat of separation from God if they did not. Condemnation, being hurled into the everlasting fires of hell, was the ultimate scare tactic. Yet now you need be afraid no more. For nothing can, or ever will, separate you from God.
When at last you see that there is no separation in God’s World—that is, nothing which is not God—then, at last, will you let go of this invention of man which you have called Satan.
Christianity EtcRe: 4 Reasons I'm Considering Becoming An Atheist by Roycemadeit(m): 11:24pm On Dec 29, 2019
Snowale:
There is a story behind that, it's a traditional, for those that performs hajj, not compulsory you must do it every year. Get the story yourself, read it with an unbiased mind
I thought it was called devil stoning
Christianity EtcRe: 4 Reasons I'm Considering Becoming An Atheist by Roycemadeit(m): 3:42pm On Dec 29, 2019
Snowale:
those that didn't believe another prophet came after Moses are the Jews, those that didn't believe that another Prophet came after Jesus, are Christains while those that believed in the truth that the last prophet came, are the Muslims, they don't worship man, or cross or mother Mary's statue or Jesus statue.
But they stone the pillars in Mecca every year.
Christianity EtcRe: 4 Reasons I'm Considering Becoming An Atheist by Roycemadeit(m): 3:41pm On Dec 29, 2019
Obaiyski:
You think all is well with you.. I tell you within a short while your eyes will clear and you will remember today.
I laugh oooo
Christianity EtcRe: 4 Reasons I'm Considering Becoming An Atheist by Roycemadeit(m): 9:16am On Dec 29, 2019
A passage from the Bible does hint on pastlife too

Matthew 17:12

But I say unto you, That Elias is come already, and they knew him not, but have done unto him whatsoever they listed. Likewise shall also the Son of man suffer of them.
RomanceRe: My Girlfriend Just Caught Me Red Handed by Roycemadeit(m):
Can a human being be owned like a property?
Can human feelings be caged or restricted?
Christianity EtcRe: 4 Reasons I'm Considering Becoming An Atheist by Roycemadeit(m): 9:07am On Dec 29, 2019
englishmart:
So you chose to be born a Nigerian? LMFAO grin grin grin
Yes, it might have been consciously or it was determined by my actions in a pastlife.

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