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 Christianity Etc › Re: Is Sin Innate In Us? by Roycemadeit(op): 8:37am On Mar 27 |
Mutant001:Frankly, I don't know why it's pretty difficult to comprehend my argument. I'll try to augment it for better clarity. You all keep calling everything “nature” as if that automatically makes it right. It doesn’t. A lion doesn’t justify its actions, it acts on instinct. Humans do something different, we build systems, assign roles, and then try to defend them. That’s not nature, that’s choice layered over biology. The moment you start talking about “purpose” and “validation,” you’ve already left the animal kingdom. The analogy fails because women are not antelopes. Antelopes don’t organize, challenge systems, or rewrite structures. Humans do. Women have resisted, shaped societies, and changed laws repeatedly. Ignoring that doesn’t make your argument stronger, it just makes it selective. And this idea that “whatever lasts long is natural and therefore justified” collapses under its own weight. As I wrote earlier, by that logic, every injustice becomes truth simply because it endured. You may not be reasoning here but accepting power without questioning it. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Is Sin Innate In Us? by Roycemadeit(op): 12:04am On Mar 26 |
Umbrateeth04:Existence and justification are not the same thing. They only look like it when you benefit from the system in question. A lion doesn’t justify anything. It doesn’t sit and construct meaning. It acts. Humans are different precisely because we question, evaluate, and change what exists. If survival alone justified behavior, then every form of oppression in history would be valid by default. You keep bringing in the antelope, but the antelope resists. It runs, it fights, it adapts. That alone breaks your idea that the “object” exists to be controlled. In human society, women are not passive objects in a food chain. They think, resist, organize, and reshape systems. That’s why your analogy keeps collapsing. You’re forcing biology onto social structures. And power lasting long doesn’t make it nature, it just means it faced limited resistance or had the tools to suppress it. P.S. Slave resistance wasn’t passive, it actively pushed the abolition of the slave trade. By your logic, anything that dominates long enough becomes truth. That would make every empire, every injustice, every outdated system permanently correct. Are you describing nature or are you describing dominance and calling it destiny? |
| Christianity Etc › Re: JW Adjustment On Blood Transfusion: Doctrinal Changes & Effects by Roycemadeit(m): 8:07am On Mar 25*. Modified: 8:00pm On Sep 05 |
MaxInDHouse:Very funny fellow, you just did like y'all do with your bible, cut one part out then try to tell paint a picture that might make some sense... Why didn't you post the whole thing I wrote? Up until now you haven't responded... Yes, you have silenced me, with facts, of course. You can define knowingness; now try defining belief and faith, and show me how they connect to reality... Try show the full response when you quote me and it's disheartening that you don't see sarcasm. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Is Sin Innate In Us? by Roycemadeit(op): 8:02am On Mar 25 |
Umbrateeth04:You’re confusing what exists with what is justified. A lion hunts out of natural instinct. A man dominating a woman is not instinct, it’s conditioning reinforced by culture, religion, and history. One is survival. The other is a system. Power lasting a long time doesn’t make it natural, it just means it wasn’t challenged effectively. Slavery lasted too. That didn’t make it truth. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: JW Adjustment On Blood Transfusion: Doctrinal Changes & Effects by Roycemadeit(m): 8:37pm On Mar 24 |
MaxInDHouse:  Who get that time?Don’t come and act like you “convinced” someone who deals in facts. Some of us actually know the history behind these holy books, including the borrowings and edits that built them. You didn’t proof nothing but psychosis and brainwashing. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: JW Adjustment On Blood Transfusion: Doctrinal Changes & Effects by Roycemadeit(m): 8:22pm On Mar 24 |
MaxInDHouse:Faith fills the gaps where facts don’t exist. You’re asking that I prove to be wiser, but wisdom doesn’t rely on belief. It relies on what can be proven. A wise person doesn’t need faith, they prefer evidence. Reality doesn’t care what you believe. It just is. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Is Sin Innate In Us? by Roycemadeit(op): 8:17pm On Mar 24 |
Umbrateeth04:I get what you are saying. But, it's a little all over the place. We can't equate men to lions and women to antelopes, if we are gonna do that let's all be lions. That'l lions feed on antelope is a natural instinct. Their creators didn't make anyone more special than the other. It is the men who told this lies that also told that their creator is male. The world is held together by force, illusion, and inherited arrogance. The idea that men should rule because they are stronger is not wisdom, it is primitive thinking that survived long enough to disguise itself as truth. Strength has never proven intelligence, only the ability to control, and control without restraint decays into chaos. Before dominance hardened into systems, there were societies that understood balance. Not perfection, but cooperation. In places like Ancient Egypt, power was not imagined as a lone authority. Even in their divine order, figures like Isis stood alongside, not beneath. Patriarchy is not nature, it is repetition turned into belief, a system that transformed difference into hierarchy. Now the consequences unfold. Men cling to control, women resist subjugation, and both sides mirror the same struggle for dominance. This is not progress, it is conflict in symmetry. Relationships become contests, respect becomes conditional, and cooperation is mistaken for weakness. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: JW Adjustment On Blood Transfusion: Doctrinal Changes & Effects by Roycemadeit(m): 8:00pm On Mar 24 |
MaxInDHouse:@MaxInDHouse grin Sarcasm keeps escaping you. I presented logic and evidence; you replied with mythology. When I said you’d “silenced me with facts,” it was dismissal, not praise. You mistook mockery for validation and wore it as intellect. You confuse belief with knowledge and confidence with proof. When evidence appears, you retreat into faith and call it depth. I don’t operate in belief. Belief begins where evidence ends. Intelligence needs neither faith nor applause. P.S: Claiming superior understanding of the Bible just because your sect appeared recently is absurd. People studied, debated, and lived the Scriptures long before you existed. Obviously, God loved the world so much that He waited over a thousand years to reveal the “truth,” leaving everyone else misled or deceived until you finally arrived. Use the added file below, instead of that sarcastic quotes.. ehn? |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Is Sin Innate In Us? by Roycemadeit(op): 8:26am On Mar 21 |
Dtruthspeaker:Man created God. God didn't create nature You don't know this one too! If we keep explaining the present without interrogating its foundations, then we’re not thinking, we’re just maintaining. And a world that is constantly maintained without being reimagined will always reproduce the same problems. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Is Sin Innate In Us? by Roycemadeit(op): 7:23am On Mar 20 |
We have been raised to believe that one gender is meant to dominate the other, but that idea was shaped by patriarchal culture, not nature. Men and women are designed to complement each other, not compete for power. Even in our biology, there is a natural correspondence, the male as injector and the female as receiver, fitting together with purpose rather than conflict. No human thrives in isolation, so the idea of superiority defeats the purpose of being human in the first place. Different cultures have shown that there is no single way to structure society. Some are matriarchal and emphasize balance, while others create systems where both masculine and feminine roles are valued equally. Our problem is that we have stopped questioning systems and started treating them as absolute truth, and that has led us down a path of dysfunction. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Is Sin Innate In Us? by Roycemadeit(op): 1:36pm On Mar 19 |
Umbrateeth04:I find myself unsettled by the way difference is turned into hierarchy by society, that the structure of the body should determine worth, as though biology were a verdict rather than a condition. And then we go on to compare humans to the an in the bush, that only hunts to survive. When I observe the contrast between man and woman, I do not see a ladder of superiority, but a tension of forms, each carrying its own burden, its own capacity. To say one is stronger and therefore greater feels like a refusal to look deeper, a preference for what is visible over what is endured, no thanks to patriarchal belief systems that enthrone males and has no account for the feminine. What we often call “natural” is already an interpretation. We look at function and impose meaning on it. Strength becomes dominance, penetration becomes power, reception becomes submission. Yet these are not truths given by nature; they are conclusions drawn by us. Nature presents differences, but it does not explain them. It is we who construct the story, and in doing so, we often reveal more of our fears and desires than any universal order, as we see cultures that have Goddesses. The interpretations, we learned has built systems that bind us. We rank one another based on what none of us chose; our bodies, our form, our place at birth. In doing so, we quietly abandon the responsibility of seeing each other as fully human. A logical person, who seeks for better should question this indoctrination, If there is anything worth holding onto, it is the idea that difference does not diminish, and that no structure built on it should decide the value of a life. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Is Sin Innate In Us? by Roycemadeit(op): 5:34pm On Mar 18 |
Dtruthspeaker:My Right! We do not share the same worldview. Mine is reasoned and deliberate. Man is not defined solely by profession, wealth, or social ranking. A fisherman is no less worthy of respect, of marriage, or of dignity than a pilot or CEO. Reducing human worth to material or functional achievement reflects not reality but the corrosive influence of poverty, fear, and social boxes. Love, humanity, and dignity cannot thrive in such a framework, no matter how many comparisons or examples you raise. You treat people as lesser because of what they do or how society labels them, but that perspective makes the world more toxic. Refusing to recognize the humanity in an Olosho, a thief, or anyone deemed dishonorable creates cycles of dehumanization. People denied respect and recognition will inevitably find ways to reclaim what was taken from them, often at the expense of the society that constrained them. Ignoring this reality demonstrates your fundamental misunderstanding of better human systems and the consequences of inherited prejudice. Don't put me in the same box as yourself. I can marry an Olosho and my daughter could marry a fisherman. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Is Sin Innate In Us? by Roycemadeit(op): 9:46pm On Mar 17 |
Dtruthspeaker:Always talking about “natural truth” like it dropped from the sky and everyone just knows it . All you’ve done is repeat what you’ve been led to believe and call it nature.The fact that you put things inside boxes does not make those boxes fixed or meaningful in any absolute sense. Reality is more complex than painting everything white and black. Then you jump from categories to conclusions, saying some people cannot be respected because of what they are or have done... Accountability is not the same as stripping someone of their humanity. The moment you decide who deserves dignity and who does not, you are no longer talking about justice, you are just defending a hierarchy that makes you comfortable. And on authority, you’re still confusing role with worth. Let me spell it out, not for you, since you seem more interested in reacting than understanding, but for anyone actually paying attention. Authority exists for function, not because one person is a superior human being. It is tied to responsibility and competence, not inherent value. A pilot leads a flight because of skill and responsibility, not because he is more human than the passengers. That distinction is simple, yet you keep missing it. Authority organizes action; it does not elevate one person above another in dignity. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Is Sin Innate In Us? by Roycemadeit(op): 4:41pm On Mar 16 |
Dtruthspeaker:Your view comes from long-held rules and dogma, based on the idea that certain teachings decide human worth and behavior. This way of thinking turns complex human life into simple boxes and ignores choice, context, and responsibility. By assuming authority, morality, or value comes from fixed standards, you mix up social roles with real human dignity. First, your argument confuses social function with human worth. A pilot may command a crew during a flight, just as a manager directs employees in a company. That authority exists because of responsibility and expertise, not because the pilot or manager is a superior human being. Second, the claim that certain people should not be treated like human beings simply because they engage in activities you consider dishonorable collapses under scrutiny. If dishonor strips someone of their humanity, then the same judgment must be applied consistently. Yet, we have society that condemns the woman who sells intimacy while tolerating the men who buys it. Third, reducing a person entirely to one label ignores the complexity of human life. No individual can be defined solely by a single action or profession. Fourth, using “nature” to justify social exclusion misunderstands what nature actually is. Nature does not assign moral rankings to human beings. Those rankings are cultural inventions, shaped by power, fear, and tradition, it has nothing to do with natural. Fifth, the idea that balance comes from domination misunderstands how stable societies actually function Domination produces obedience, but never harmony. Stability emerges when authority is tied to responsibility and when humanism remains universal rather than conditional. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Is Sin Innate In Us? by Roycemadeit(op): 7:12am On Mar 16 |
Dtruthspeaker:As usual, you are missing the point again . The question is not whether I would marry an olosho. The question is whether an olosho deserves to be treated as less of a human being. Those are two very different matters. A person’s circumstance does not erase their humanity. If you were the one in that position, would you enjoy being treated as something beneath dignity?People are quick to condemn the fruit while refusing to examine the roots. Nobody wakes up one morning and simply decides to become an olosho without a chain of circumstances leading there. Poverty, coercion, desperation, and lack of opportunity all play their roles. Yet society prefers the easier task of pointing fingers at the individual rather than confronting the conditions that produced the outcome. As for your argument about separation from “dishonourable people,” that reasoning is convenient but shallow. History shows that the same society that condemns the olosho is often the same society that creates the conditions that produce her. If we truly cared about honour, we would examine the system before condemning the individual. And regarding your question about submission, balance does not come from blind submission to a master. Balance comes from understanding roles, responsibilities, and mutual dignity. P.S. A system built entirely on domination will always produce resentment and imbalance. |
| Romance › Re: She Leaves, I Drink Hypo by Roycemadeit(op): 11:15pm On Mar 15 |
Talkisneeded:I would try to keep up with my third love, give her some more attention... |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Is Sin Innate In Us? by Roycemadeit(op): 10:56pm On Mar 15 |
Umbrateeth04:Having reviewed your questions, I will give a brief rundown of my perspective, though it revisits points from earlier discussions.. We are given many ideas before we ever question them. Strength, belief, authority, and even the tales of our beginnings are often presented as undeniable truths. Yet when examined rationally, many of these are not truths at all, but beliefs. The notion that strength alone determines superiority is not original; it is learned from environment and influence. But reverse the argument: if someone who values strength were born without it, or as a woman in a society that subjugates the feminine, would they accept being treated as inferior? Reality proves they would not. The imbalance is most evident in how societies have treated women. For centuries, men have been placed on pedestals while women were expected to remain beneath them. If God is a Father, then the absence of a Mother represents a philosophical imbalance. A society that refuses to honor the feminine builds itself on only half its foundation. But voices long silenced will eventually speak. No human being can remain tied down forever. The old system cracks when people awaken. Today, women are discovering their strength, and societies are being forced to correct their own imbalance, most likely the old system would give way to a dysfunctionally aligned system. The thumb cannot exist without the forefinger. Our existence is a team effort. The same principle applies to a deity considered the creator of all humanity, yet who sides with one tribe against another. One might never have been part of the chosen tribe if born elsewhere, in cities defeated in biblical tales. History adds another layer: the God ferried across oceans by conquistadors, subjugating peoples first and demanding belief afterward. Even creation myths invite scrutiny when examined alongside archaeological, genetic, and historical records of older cultures with similar narratives. And yet belief persists, not necessarily from understanding, but because it has been preserved from analysis. Strength alone does not sustain civilization. Domination has never worked. What sustains the world is balance, understanding, and the humility to recognize that no single group, gender, or belief holds all the answers. A healthy order comes not from lifting one and crushing another, but from recognizing every part of humanity in its proper place. If anything is worth defending, it is that no human being should kneel to ideas demanding division, ignorance, or submission. Healthy order is achieved through the discipline of balance. When we find balance, we move forward. When we deny it, we are doomed to have conflicts, most likely it would be sponsored by the God who wants disunity, Tower of Babel .In conclusion, I would appreciate hearing your thoughts on the questions you raised. How do you interpret them, and what is your perspective? |
| Romance › Re: Lady Who Has Been In Relationship For 12 Years Cries As Man Dumps Her (Video) by Roycemadeit(m): 9:58pm On Feb 27 |
Expecting marriage in a serious relationship is not unreasonable. For many people, that is the point of dating. A relationship is often a space where two people observe each other’s character, values, and consistency over time. It may not reveal everything about a person, but it does reveal patterns. Wanting that process to lead somewhere stable and defined is intention. At the same time, you can know your own heart and still not be fully sure of the other person’s. Someone may appear committed while quietly hesitating or keeping their options open. It is important to understand what both of you are building, rather than assuming you share the same long term vision. Life may not be about sampling endless varieties. Perhaps, it is about understanding, appreciating, and nurturing what you have but unfortunately they say having only one type of soup can cause intolerance. |
| Romance › She Leaves, I Drink Hypo by Roycemadeit(op): 4:32pm On Feb 26 |
The idea that “I cannot live without you” sounds romantic, but if you pause and think about it, it makes no sense. You were alive before that person entered your life. You had years of experiences, struggles, achievements, routines. So what exactly did they give you that erased all of that the moment they walked away? Loving someone deeply is not foolish. Sacrificing for someone you care about is not foolish. Going beyond your comfort to see someone you love thrive can be noble. But collapsing your entire identity into another person is not love. It is dependency disguised as devotion. Somewhere along the line, people learned that intensity equals love. Maybe from religion, where surrender is glorified. Maybe from music and movies that celebrate lines like “I’m nothing without you.” It sounds passionate. It feels dramatic. But it is unstable. When someone says their life means nothing without a partner, what they are really saying is that they built their sense of self around that relationship. That is not romance. That is emotional outsourcing. And when the relationship ends, everything crashes because there was nothing standing independently. Love should be mutual agreement, shared vision, shared direction. Two people choosing each other while still remaining themselves. If one person changes their mind or breaks the agreement, it hurts. It can hurt deeply. But it does not cancel your existence. It does not erase your history. It does not delete your worth. The belief that you cannot live without someone ignores a simple fact: you already did. Nobody was born attached to a partner. People grow. People change. Plans shift. If someone walks away, you adjust. You build again. That is life. To end your life because someone left is not proof of love. It is proof that you tied your entire identity to something that was never meant to carry that weight. Love should expand you, not replace you. If it replaces you, then what you were calling love was something else entirely. 1 Like |
| Crime › Re: 281 Arrested As Lagos Govt Raids Roads Over Omotaku Activities by Roycemadeit(m): 9:37pm On Jan 18 |
Historically, Italy offers a useful yardstick for understanding what happens when the state weakens. For decades, parts of Italy were controlled by mafia dons who operated as parallel governments. They imposed levies, enforced loyalty through violence, and decided who could trade, move, or survive within their territory. This system thrived where the state failed to provide justice, security, or economic fairness. Power was not earned through law, but seized through fear, normalizing criminal authority over civic responsibility. This pattern repeats in societies when institutions abandon the people and instead protect elites. Security shifts from public service to private enforcement for those who can pay. The rest are left exposed. In such conditions, authority becomes a contest of dominance rather than legitimacy. Nigeria’s current trajectory shows worrying similarities, with groups like Omotaku demanding levies and asserting control. When unofficial powers replace the state, culture is corrupted, ethics collapse, and crime becomes governance. A nation survives not by force, but by justice that reaches everyone. 1 Like |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Is Sin Innate In Us? by Roycemadeit(op): 4:44pm On Jan 10 |
Umbrateeth04:I suspect you know my stance on this idea. But, here goes nothing. 1. What is my take on men being the superior being and women being inferior, weaker vessels? That idea is a social myth dressed up as nature or divine order. It’s not neither proven by biology, nor sustained by history unless force is involved. What it really describes is who held the pen 2. Do I believe in this analogy? If yes, explain. No. The analogy collapses the moment you apply it consistently. If women were truly weaker vessels, they would not be the primary carriers of life, lineage, culture, and continuity. Women endure emotional, and social pressures that would break most systems designed only for dominance. Calling one vessel “weaker” because it does not resemble the other is like calling the womb inferior to the seed. One initiates, the other completes. Without completion, initiation is meaningless. 3. Do I disagree with this analogy? If yes, elaborate why you don’t agree with the assumption. I disagree because the assumption is inverted. The belief originates from Abrahamic theology that needed hierarchy to function, so it encoded hierarchy into cosmology. God becomes male, authority becomes masculine, creation becomes command, and difference becomes defect. The woman is labeled weaker. Generative power has always frightened systems built on rule. So it was renamed weakness, moralized as submission, and preserved as doctrine. P.S: Men and women are not arranged on a hierarchy but exist as complementary forces, two points that only achieve meaning and wholeness when they meet. The moment one is placed above the other, relationship collapses into domination, and domination inevitably produces resistance, which is why prolonged subjugation gives rise to counter-movements like feminism. This struggle is not a failure of cooperation but the consequence of denying it. Wisdom lies in understanding that difference is not competition for control but an invitation to completion. Had divinity been imagined as feminine, the hierarchy would simply have flipped, with men labeled the weaker vessels, proving that these ideas were never about truth or nature, but about power deciding who speaks for God. 2 Likes |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Justin Of Deconstruction Zone Says Jesus DID NOT Fulfil Any Messianic Prophecies by Roycemadeit(m): 7:16am On Dec 19, 2025 |
MaxInDHouse:What he said doesn’t mean I’ll repeat it, we understand differently. You claim to know more than ordinary Christians too. Religion is conditioning: God never appeared to tell you how to reach Him. If you were born elsewhere, you likely wouldn’t know this God at all, you might fight or condemn those who believe in him. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Justin Of Deconstruction Zone Says Jesus DID NOT Fulfil Any Messianic Prophecies by Roycemadeit(m): 7:06am On Dec 19, 2025 |
MaxInDHouse:Read to understand, not to wear a cape and never fly |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Justin Of Deconstruction Zone Says Jesus DID NOT Fulfil Any Messianic Prophecies by Roycemadeit(m): 7:04am On Dec 19, 2025 |
MaxInDHouse: Funny Fellow. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Justin Of Deconstruction Zone Says Jesus DID NOT Fulfil Any Messianic Prophecies by Roycemadeit(m): 6:52am On Dec 19, 2025 |
@MaxInDHouse Roycemadeit:Sarcasm keeps escaping you. I presented logic and evidence; you replied with mythology. When I said you’d “silenced me with facts,” it was dismissal, not praise. You mistook mockery for validation and wore it as intellect. You confuse belief with knowledge and confidence with proof. When evidence appears, you retreat into faith and call it depth. I don’t operate in belief. Belief begins where evidence ends. Intelligence needs neither faith nor applause. P.S: Claiming superior understanding of the Bible just because your sect appeared recently is absurd. People studied, debated, and lived the Scriptures long before you existed. Obviously, God loved the world so much that He waited over a thousand years to reveal the “truth,” leaving everyone else misled or deceived until you finally arrived. Use the added file below, instead of that sarcastic quotes.. ehn?
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| Christianity Etc › Re: Is Sin Innate In Us? by Roycemadeit(op): 9:50pm On Dec 18, 2025 |
Dtruthspeaker:You don't know what you are talking about. There cultures that don't believe in evil existence. I'll give you some examples for your inability to know but to only believe. 1. Buddhism 2. Taoism 3. Confucianism 4. African philosophy and spirituality like Ubuntu, Igbo and Yoruba. 5. Shinto 1 Like |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Is Sin Innate In Us? by Roycemadeit(op): 8:22am On Dec 18, 2025 |
@MaxInDHouse I am sure that you won't understand this either 😭 Don’t confuse applause from believers with knowledge. You don’t know better - you only believe harder. I didn’t start this discussion with you. When you joined, I took no offence. Yet you misquoted and misunderstood posts, maligned fellow Christians, dismissed evidence, and crowned yourself enlightened - all while offering imagination and an unquestioned book in place of logic or history. You don’t belong in conversations that demand evidence, history, and logic if all you offer is imagination propped up by a book you refuse to question. Humanity progressed by interrogating beliefs, not by freezing them in reverence while silencing conscience and reason. The corruption and historical baggage of your faith are invisible to you only because you’ve never examined them honestly. And stop projecting your framework onto me. I don’t operate on belief or faith.
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| Christianity Etc › Re: Is Sin Innate In Us? by Roycemadeit(op): 5:54pm On Dec 17, 2025 |
MaxInDHouse:Believing and knowing aren't the same. And I should not trust a person who says, "God says, " especially when I didn't observe God saying anything to him... If God wanted me to know something he would tell me, not gossip about me with you.
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| Christianity Etc › Re: Is Sin Innate In Us? by Roycemadeit(op): 5:46pm On Dec 17, 2025 |
MaxInDHouse:The idea that scientific awareness began with the Bible is historically false; it is a later theological framing imposed on much older human knowledge. Beyond astronomy, empirical evidence destroys the 6,000-year biblical timeline. Radiometric dating, archaeology, and paleoanthropology show the Earth is about 4.5 billion years old, with human ancestors stretching back hundreds of thousands to millions of years, long before any biblical Adam. These are not Western opinions; they are globally corroborated findings. Christianity did not introduce knowledge of the world; it arrived late, plagiarizing and reinterpreting earlier cosmologies. Treating ancient history as if it must pass through a Christian lens is not scholarship, it is revisionism. World history does not begin in Genesis, and human understanding did not wait for the Bible to exist. Even Jesus, is the sun up there in the sky not some mythical man... |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Is Sin Innate In Us? by Roycemadeit(op): 5:33pm On Dec 17, 2025 |
MaxInDHouse:First of, I ain't an atheist and second, I didn't claim that jesus ever existed, apparently you read and pick what you believe not that you comprehend.
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| Christianity Etc › Re: Is Sin Innate In Us? by Roycemadeit(op): 9:52am On Dec 17, 2025 |
The figure of Jesus Christ and the Bible itself, when examined, reveal a constructed, human-made system rather than a unique divine revelation. Jesus, if he existed historically, was retrofitted with mythic attributes drawn from pre-existing saviour archetypes {miraculous birth, sacrificial death, resurrection, and cosmic significance} while his theological portrayal borrows heavily from Greco-Roman and earlier Jewish symbolism; the Bible, written over centuries by multiple authors in diverse cultural contexts, integrates Canaanite, Mesopotamian, Egyptian, and Persian religious motifs, from divine councils (Psalm 82:1) to the plural Elohim in Genesis 1:1, reflecting a syncretism of Gods and myths rather than a single infallible voice. Moral dualism, the devil, and the cosmic battle between good and evil emerge late, influenced by Zoroastrian and Hellenistic thought, not as universal ethical principles. Other cultures, from Confucian China to Buddhist India and Indigenous societies, developed coherent moral frameworks without any reference to the Bible, relying instead on human reason, social discipline, and observed consequences; to claim that all other cultures contain only fragments of biblical truth while the Bible alone provides clarity ignores the historical record, the evidence of independent moral systems, and the composite, evolving nature of the text itself, demonstrating that neither Jesus as a perfect, original figure nor the Bible as a singular, universal source of truth withstands critical scrutiny. Even the Egyptians, according to the Bible, acted against Moses long before the Ten Commandments or Christianity existed, proving that moral action, or wrongdoing, was handled by human judgment, not because of a devil or supernatural tempter. Belief has no place with facts or knowledge... To know, you will have to research, learn origins and use your brains otherwise you are a believer. THIS CONVERSATIONS ARE BEYOND BELIEVERS FOR THEY ARE BASED ON LOGIC, HUMANISM AND CRITICAL ANALYSIS... 2 Likes |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Is Sin Innate In Us? by Roycemadeit(op): 7:18pm On Dec 16, 2025 |
Dtruthspeaker:Fine, All the culture in the world believes in Christianity, and blames the devil... |
