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Christianity Etc › Re: Trust Not God by Roycemadeit(op): 5:30pm On Mar 07, 2024

Dtruthspeaker:
The Law of knowing good and evil and that it is evil to kill and that is good to uphold The Law, exactly as i pray that The Lord will judge you for all your evils and will again Up Hold, The Law!

In what verse was this law given before Cain killed Abel?

Christianity Etc › Re: Trust Not God by Roycemadeit(op): 5:26pm On Mar 07, 2024

Dtruthspeaker:
Do you claim to not know the right or the wrong in killing a man?

Your Question is asides the point I was making... I was talking about polarity but let me oblige you with some answers: Right and Wrong is defined by circumstance and perspective... Are you right to have killed a person who intended to kill you and your family because he covets your property? Are you wrong to kill a person who is suffering from a great pain, a pain with no cure in existence?

Christianity Etc › Re: Deities And Creators by Roycemadeit(op): 11:18am On Mar 07, 2024

MaxInDHouse:
Are you sure it's the Abrahamu God that you described in the below statement?

You must not have read your bible well enough...

Let's see some verses.

Galatians 5:19-21:

"19 The acts of the flesh are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; 20 idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, anger, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions 21 and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God."

Now let's see where the Holy God has these sins and more... grin

Exodus 20:5, "You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God..."

Exodus 32:10-11, "Now leave me alone so that my anger may burn against them and that I may destroy them."

1 Kings 22:22-23, in this passage God allows a lying spirit to deceive Ahab, the king of Israel.

Malachi 1:3: "but Esau I have hated.

NOW THE REST OF THE SINFUL NATURE OF GOD IS FOUND IN MORE BOOKS OF THE BIBLE...

^{if you desire more passages, I would probably hearken...}

Christianity Etc › Re: Trust Not God by Roycemadeit(op): 11:09am On Mar 07, 2024

MaxInDHouse:
The golden rule that all intelligent creatures are created with!

"All things, therefore, that you want men to do to you, you also must do to them. This, in fact, is what the Law and the Prophets mean" Matthew 7:12

No sane human wants his life to be shortened so that doesn't need any law at all!

You pointed out that there was no law against stealing blessings, so Jacob wasn't at fault. Yet, when discussing the absence of a law against Abel's murder, you cited intrinsic understanding and quoted from Matthew. This seems contradictory since you implied stealing blessings was acceptable without a law, suggesting we rely on laws to discern right from wrong... You must see how contradiction makes a ridicule of belief.

Christianity Etc › Re: Trust Not God by Roycemadeit(op): 5:12pm On Mar 05, 2024

MaxInDHouse:
THIEF and COVETOUS shey?
Please on what basis are you making such judgement?
Is it on laws made before or after Jacob?
Guy laws written after Jacob can't be used to judge Jacob because he is not aware of such law!
Take for instance God later condemned incest in the laws given to Israelites while Abraham married his own sister.
So we're talking about what you're aware of not what you don't know!

You know, I asked what law was used to judge Cain for killing his brother...

Christianity Etc › Re: Deities And Creators by Roycemadeit(op): 5:06pm On Mar 05, 2024

MaxInDHouse:
Which god are you talking about?

What other God is there?

The Abrahamic God of the bible

Christianity Etc › Re: Deities And Creators by Roycemadeit(op): 5:00pm On Mar 05, 2024

MaxInDHouse:
Crime slightly differ from sin!

Sin means blunders that will eventually lead to disaster but not obvious from the perspective of a freethinker.

So before you can think of repentance someone needs to enlighten you about that sin (unknown blunder) you're committing and it's consequences to illustrate imagine a person who loves taking in carbohydrates and protein but finds it boring to take in fluid as in water, is such a person harming anyone? But what if nobody explains to him the importance of fluid in the body system? Do you think he or she is living fine?

That's exactly what sin means not just crime that even a toddler can grasp as bad.

Your analogy with carbohydrates is contradictory to sin as it is factual and evidential.

Fortunately, I could not even have thought sin was true if God did not exhibit a number of it, from anger, to jealousy, to lies.

Christianity Etc › Re: Deities And Creators by Roycemadeit(op): 7:24am On Feb 27, 2024

MaxInDHouse:
Salvation is needed but to repent you have to know what exactly you are repenting for!

You committed no crimes, that you never prayed for repentance until you encountered someone who told you that you are a sinner, suggests that it wasn't a personal realisation but a mental conditioning. If we were to assume that it's necessary for one to repent, then those who lived and died years before Christianity was created would all be in hell.

Christianity Etc › Hashem Not God by Roycemadeit(op): 6:52pm On Jan 30, 2024

Belief in God leads to assumptions about one's identity. However, the term "God" is exclusive to Christianity as it is featured in Christian text even though it lacks Hebrew origin as it originates from the proto-Germanic word "Gudan," meaning to pour or invoke.

In the Tanakh, Exodus 6:3 states, "that God appeared to Abraham as El Shaddai, with the name Hashem not revealed." This raises questions about linguistic aspects, as the Hebrew deity Jehovah seemingly spoke German in translation, highlighting the complexities and manipulation involved in the would be word of God at the hands of men, to the extent that His name was changed.

Hashem/El Shaddai and God/Jehovah differ in culture, age, and representation, one being a noun and the other a verb with no roots in the culture to which the deity appeared. Yet, contemporary assumptions often equate Chief/Head Deity of numerous culture or religion to God without understanding their distinct meanings.

^{No Thanks to those who used political influence to spread their absurdity, undermining others' beliefs in order to manipulate, brainwash, and subjugate...}

Beliefs tie to cultural identities; mentioning Eledumare associates with Yoruba, while Odin aligns with German identity. The English lack a defined pantheon, making "God" more abstract, invoking rather than personifying.

[color=#9DA000]Cultures construct deities, shaping their creation beliefs and providing answers to existential questions. The deities become intertwined with a culture's origin, history, spirituality, tradition, and language.[/color]

Consider this: What would happen to a culture if it lost its deities? Think about the profound impact on history, tradition, and spirituality. For instance, imagine removing God from the Bible—how would that alter the history of the Israelites?

Christianity Etc › Re: Deities And Creators by Roycemadeit(op): 6:21pm On Jan 30, 2024*

You don't need salvation and there is no crime to repent of.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Deities And Creators by Roycemadeit(op): 7:51pm On Jan 28, 2024*

MaxInDHouse:
There is no God whose worshiper are going to people's homes in other to cohabit peacefully with their neighbours, that's what any God who is the true Creator supposed to do uniting all His creatures as one big and happy family of peace loving worshipers! Isaiah 2:2-4

There is no God on this planet whose stories are known globally through a book that could be found in all the corners of the earth, in fact if someone say bestseller the Bible is far much more. billions of copies has been printed and millions are sold monthly. Is that not what the Creator of this planet should do? Isaiah 11:9

That is because it's a political tool. And you don't realise it yet?

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Christianity Etc › Re: Deities And Creators by Roycemadeit(op): 7:50pm On Jan 28, 2024

Expanse2020:
Bible is book of God written by more than 40 writers 🤣🤣😂🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
The same bible claimed that man cannot tampering with world of God but written and re-written by men

The funny thing is that the name of this creator, Hashem, was changed by men. I mean this supernatural being' s name was changed.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Deities And Creators by Roycemadeit(op): 7:44pm On Jan 28, 2024

MaxInDHouse:
Those telling you these what living evidence do they have apart from their counter stories?

There's no evidence to show Abraham ever existed, nor of Noah, Solomon, David. As in none. That's why y'all are Believers

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Christianity Etc › Re: Deities And Creators by Roycemadeit(op): 7:36pm On Jan 28, 2024

MaxInDHouse:
I am asking because there is 1,001 proof that the God of Abraham is the one and only true God!

Kindly Give Two Proofs.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Deities And Creators by Roycemadeit(op): 7:32pm On Jan 28, 2024

MaxInDHouse:
What is the living proof that what those deities or their worshipers are saying is true?

I am asking because there is 1,001 proof that the God of Abraham is the one and only true God!

The God of Abraham (Abraham considered the first Jew) has roots in diverse cultural influences. Abraham hailed from the land of Ur, but it's noteworthy that Ur emerged long after the completion of Egypt's pyramids, in Egypt's 18th dynastic period. This historical context shows that cultural and religious elements associated with Abraham's God could have been influenced by pre-existing beliefs and practices from the regions and periods that predated Ur.

Christianity Etc › Re: Deities And Creators by Roycemadeit(op): 7:23pm On Jan 28, 2024

MaxInDHouse:
The Bible is the only book inspired by the true God all other books are fabrications from the fallen angels!

Across diverse religions, the assertion of exclusivity regarding their respective deities prevails—a belief system often shaped by factors such as cultural conditioning, geographical location, or historical conquests. The adherence to a specific faith, like Christianity, can be attributed to a complex interplay of these influences.

Examining Christianity, criticism arises around its theological concepts. The idea of a God finding pleasure in the smell of burnt animals, seeking appeasement through animal and human sacrifice, and administering generational punishment for ancestral transgressions should spark contemplation. A particularly intricate facet is the notion that this deity is not only aware of but also engages in actions deemed morally objectionable.

This introspection prompts questions about the attributes of a true creator. The juxtaposition of a benevolent creator and the depiction of a deity allowing suffering and even orchestrating conflicts among creations challenges the conventional understanding that the God of Abraham is true. The exploration of these complexities underscores the subjective nature of religious beliefs and the intricate relationship between faith, cultural context, and theological interpretations.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Deities And Creators by Roycemadeit(op): 7:03pm On Jan 28, 2024

MaxInDHouse:
What did your people say about creation and the part their Gods played?

Creation stories vary among cultures due to the absence of a definitive explanation for the origin of things. Consequently, cultures attribute everything to deities, weaving religious beliefs and mythology into their narratives as a means to interpret their reality.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Deities And Creators by Roycemadeit(op): 6:42pm On Jan 28, 2024*

The Bible contains contradictions and discrepancies, requiring reliance on the Holy Spirit for interpretation, creating an irony. While a man-made mathematics textbook can be universally understood, the claim that divine inspiration necessitates spiritual interpretation suggests logical difficulties in perceiving it as the work of an Omniscient God. Notably, the Holy Spirit's varying interpretations across different church doctrines highlight challenges in achieving a consistent understanding of the Bible.

The story of Adam and Eve consuming the forbidden fruit, if assumed to be true, raises questions about the necessity of such knowledge if morality is innate. Non-Israelites, unexposed to missionaries, weren't without laws, highlighting a recognition of right and wrong.

Moses' flight to Midian after he killed a man implies that there were moral principles even before the commandments. However, God's commandments exhibit contradictions as we see him eat his words by asking those he gave laws to break them, leading to varying treatments of the same sins or crimes, revealing instances of nepotism, injustice, and wickedness in divine actions

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Christianity Etc › Re: Deities And Creators by Roycemadeit(op): 12:41pm On Jan 28, 2024

Dtruthspeaker:
See how you are thinking like a car moving with a burst tyre?

Your point is on governing life yet your presentation was on complaining about God relating with Abraham.

Is this clearly not an unreasonable post borne out of hatred for God?

You have forgotten the face of your father.

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Christianity Etc › Deities And Creators by Roycemadeit(op): 10:02am On Jan 28, 2024*

An Excerpt From One Of My Unpublished Write-Ups
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Many are taught to view the Bible as a guide governing life, but a closer study challenges this notion.

[color=#990BB0]The assertion that the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob created the world lacks foundation, as deities are products of cultures, expressing themselves in culturally rooted languages and names. Additionally, the idea of a person reporting on creation as if he witnessed it with pen and paper raises questions about cultural interpretations of reality and encounters.[/color]

A culture's deity inherently defends the culture that created it. Switching allegiance to another culture's deity suggests conquest, manipulation, or indoctrination, as deities shape identity, encompassing everything that defines an individual. Losing one's deity results in a loss of spiritual grounding, historical understanding, and cultural traditions.

The biblical Deity, known as the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, specifically belongs to the Israelites and is named Hashem, as stated in Exodus 6:3 in the Tanakh. Its role was initially confined to the Israelites, yet men altered its name to God, a word derived from a Proto-Germanic term unrelated to Hebrew. The deity's role evolved from being a protector of the Israelites to becoming the deity for all converts, tasked with combating the devil rather than addressing issues of ineffective governance, oppression, or inequality as it is written He did for the Israelites. Prominent figures strategically designated spokespersons to manage the masses, understanding that ascribing decisions to divine commands would ensure compliance and deter potential revolts fueled by aspirations for improvement in their lives...

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Christianity Etc › Re: Trust Not God by Roycemadeit(op): 7:58am On Jan 28, 2024

MaxInDHouse:
The word BELIEVE connotes TRUST before you can talk about trust you must have knowledge regarding what you want to trust.
The mistake most of you are making is calling credulity a belief, your ancestors surely existed otherwise you can't be alive today but when it comes to how they lived and the things they did you don't know much yet you want to say a well documented history is fiction simply because you feel there is prejudice in what you read about the people involved.

For your information all the Gods people are worshiping are demons apart from the God of Abraham who revealed all the secret about the origin of life and how fallen angels became Gods in so many places!

Hey, it's not cool that you buy into the idea that the God of Abraham, the ancestral God of Israelites, is true and all other Gods including your own ancestral Gods are demons. Consider that Islam and Judaism are also Abrahamic beliefs. Understanding the origin of your beliefs is crucial; otherwise, you're just running on faith.

Christianity Etc › Re: Trust Not God by Roycemadeit(op): 6:39pm On Jan 25, 2024

MaxInDHouse:
With this there's no need for further comment if you feel Abraham and others were fictional characters then why quoting their stories?
Why not concentrate on the deities your own ancestors worship and try to emphasize the things they did for readers to see how real they are?

I don't feel they are fictional... Believers can't see how real there are, that's why they are called believers.

Christianity Etc › Re: Trust Not God by Roycemadeit(op): 5:28pm On Jan 25, 2024

"That's the essence. Each culture has its own deity or deities championing its interests. It's presumptuous for someone to claim their God mandates I surrender what rightfully belongs to me, especially when the divine message didn't come directly to me. This situation embodies elements of nepotism, envy and jealousy. I want to emphasize that figures like Abraham are merely fictional characters."

Christianity Etc › Re: Trust Not God by Roycemadeit(op): 2:15pm On Jan 25, 2024

Aemmyjah:
They possessed the land of their ancestor, Abraham

Interestingly, Max said nobody owned any possessions.

Now, let's explore what you refer to as their ancestors' territory—a land accommodating merely 70 individuals, the total number of Israelites who initially entered Egypt. They vacated this land for 413 years, returning to encounter not just one or two nations but a multitude including Canaanites, Jebusites, Gibeonites, Hittites, Hivites, Jericho, and others.

These nations comprised thousands of people, and one might question the assumption that the territory, rightfully belonged to Abraham.

How plausible is it for an individual to claim ownership over a land where diverse nations settled and endured challenges for centuries?

As non-Israelites began occupying the land, God allowed them to settle. However, centuries later, they faced a conflict and perished at the hands of those who believed the land was promised to them by God.

What distinguishes them from marauding herdsmen who kill villagers and force them out in the name of their God?

If you consider the actions of the Israelites as as right, then one lacks the right to question others who seize possessions of others at their God's command.

This same belief system has historically led to the subjugation of others, enslavement of races, exploitation, and the seizure of properties belonging to others.

Christianity Etc › Re: Trust Not God by Roycemadeit(op): 10:08pm On Jan 24, 2024*

MaxInDHouse:
As for possessions who told you anyone possessed anything when they will eventually die and leave everything behind them?

You see how you left other things I mentioned and jumped to possession? If nobody possessed anything why did God lead Israelites to possessing a land that's not theirs?

If something is evil acknowledge it, but y'all believers would not because you don't recognise it.

While others think and act progressively, believers' see Endtime

Christianity Etc › Re: Trust Not God by Roycemadeit(op): 6:43pm On Jan 24, 2024

MaxInDHouse:
When God say SIN it means ERROR so when Adam and Eve ate the forbidden fruit they passed on to all their descendants the trait to always do what is wrong instead of the right thing.

The absence of wrong makes it challenging to discern what is right, just as the lack of bad prevents the understanding of good. In navigating between these extremes, choices emerge.

Yet, I perceive life not as dictated by a binary of wrong and good, but rather as a series of opportunities to learn and make better choices. What one deems bad may hold merit for another; the key lies in evaluating the benefits and consequences based on individual perspectives.

However, for someone unbiased and still holding onto a sense of humanism, reading about the suffering imposed on families, children, individuals, and nations—whose possessions were seized at God's command—raises questions about the assertion that God is Good.

Christianity Etc › Re: Trust Not God by Roycemadeit(op): 6:32pm On Jan 24, 2024

vdestro:
See, now you are changing post. He was man made yet you feared the fact you won't get grace? and now you are bothered that i may get His grace.

Face your case. Evil people like you.can never get grace. That is The Law.

You obviously didn't understand my post. You may go through it again. I specifically talked about the meaning of GRACE and it's ridiculousness in the palace of justice...

I make peace, and I CREATE EVIL: I the Lord do all these things...

Isaiah 45:7

Christianity Etc › Re: Trust Not God by Roycemadeit(op): 6:21pm On Jan 24, 2024

vdestro:
And God is The Most High Right whose judgments are super sound and super law full beyond all reasonable doubt.

Which is why you could not address my rebuttal.

The biblical God isn't as powerful as that, he is nothing more than a tool in hands of men.

Christianity Etc › Re: Trust Not God by Roycemadeit(op): 6:20pm On Jan 24, 2024

MaxInDHouse:
Then we need to figure out what sin means first!

Indeed. Let's have you name sins or define it.

Christianity Etc › Re: Trust Not God by Roycemadeit(op): 6:15pm On Jan 24, 2024

vdestro:
And right now because you are going to hellfire, you want to take people with you, yet you are crying that grace can not be given to you. No judge anywhere can ever give you grace.

Shey me that know that God is man made, that will now believe Hellfire is real? You can beg God for all the grace he has and I hope you get it, because he might have disliked you from your conception like he did Esau or loved you like Jacob, either one. You are the one choosing your belief!

Christianity Etc › Re: Trust Not God by Roycemadeit(op): 6:11pm On Jan 24, 2024

vdestro:
There is no bias when A Judge exercises His Rights!

A judge ought to be upright and just, when he becomes nepotic and bias, he is no longer a judge but a criminal.

Christianity Etc › Re: Trust Not God by Roycemadeit(op): 6:06pm On Jan 24, 2024

vdestro:
Another reasonably sounding madness.

As those who have been scammed have proven that it was their desire to defraud.another which made them fall for the.deceivier, so also did Eve open herself up to be deceived.

David, if not that he was indeed the wisest man almost paid almost died for his sins.

Cain was even warned before he murdered which God deferred his case sine die.

Every reasonable person knows that grace is discretional dispensed on grounds of Law and Just is, to those who have earned it.

But surely, blasphemers like you can never get it, which is why you are crying about on coming Gods Just is!

this is an unreasonably sounding madness.

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