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 Religion / Re: Deities And Creators by Roycemadeit(m): 7:44pm On Jan 28 |
MaxInDHouse:There's no evidence to show Abraham ever existed, nor of Noah, Solomon, David. As in none. That's why y'all are Believers 3 Likes |
| Religion / Re: Deities And Creators by Roycemadeit(m): 7:36pm On Jan 28 |
MaxInDHouse: Kindly Give Two Proofs. 1 Like |
| Religion / Re: Deities And Creators by Roycemadeit(m): 7:32pm On Jan 28 |
MaxInDHouse: The God of Abraham (Abraham considered the first Jew) has roots in diverse cultural influences. Abraham hailed from the land of Ur, but it's noteworthy that Ur emerged long after the completion of Egypt's pyramids, in Egypt's 18th dynastic period. This historical context shows that cultural and religious elements associated with Abraham's God could have been influenced by pre-existing beliefs and practices from the regions and periods that predated Ur. |
| Religion / Re: Deities And Creators by Roycemadeit(m): 7:23pm On Jan 28 |
MaxInDHouse: Across diverse religions, the assertion of exclusivity regarding their respective deities prevails—a belief system often shaped by factors such as cultural conditioning, geographical location, or historical conquests. The adherence to a specific faith, like Christianity, can be attributed to a complex interplay of these influences. Examining Christianity, criticism arises around its theological concepts. The idea of a God finding pleasure in the smell of burnt animals, seeking appeasement through animal and human sacrifice, and administering generational punishment for ancestral transgressions should spark contemplation. A particularly intricate facet is the notion that this deity is not only aware of but also engages in actions deemed morally objectionable. This introspection prompts questions about the attributes of a true creator. The juxtaposition of a benevolent creator and the depiction of a deity allowing suffering and even orchestrating conflicts among creations challenges the conventional understanding that the God of Abraham is true. The exploration of these complexities underscores the subjective nature of religious beliefs and the intricate relationship between faith, cultural context, and theological interpretations. 2 Likes |
| Religion / Re: Deities And Creators by Roycemadeit(m): 7:03pm On Jan 28 |
MaxInDHouse: Creation stories vary among cultures due to the absence of a definitive explanation for the origin of things. Consequently, cultures attribute everything to deities, weaving religious beliefs and mythology into their narratives as a means to interpret their reality. 5 Likes |
| Religion / Re: Deities And Creators by Roycemadeit(m): 6:42pm On Jan 28 |
The Bible contains contradictions and discrepancies, requiring reliance on the Holy Spirit for interpretation, creating an irony. While a man-made mathematics textbook can be universally understood, the claim that divine inspiration necessitates spiritual interpretation suggests logical difficulties in perceiving it as the work of an Omniscient God. Notably, the Holy Spirit's varying interpretations across different church doctrines highlight challenges in achieving a consistent understanding of the Bible. The story of Adam and Eve consuming the forbidden fruit, if assumed to be true, raises questions about the necessity of such knowledge if morality is innate. Non-Israelites, unexposed to missionaries, weren't without laws, highlighting a recognition of right and wrong. Moses' flight to Midian after he killed a man implies that there were moral principles even before the commandments. However, God's commandments exhibit contradictions as we see him eat his words by asking those he gave laws to break them, leading to varying treatments of the same sins or crimes, revealing instances of nepotism, injustice, and wickedness in divine actions 1 Like |
| Religion / Re: Deities And Creators by Roycemadeit(m): 12:41pm On Jan 28 |
Dtruthspeaker: You have forgotten the face of your father. 1 Like |
| Religion / Deities And Creators by Roycemadeit(m): 10:02am On Jan 28 |
An Excerpt From One Of My Unpublished Write-Ups .......__._..._...-...__.....__... Many are taught to view the Bible as a guide governing life, but a closer study challenges this notion. The assertion that the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob created the world lacks foundation, as deities are products of cultures, expressing themselves in culturally rooted languages and names. Additionally, the idea of a person reporting on creation as if he witnessed it with pen and paper raises questions about cultural interpretations of reality and encounters. A culture's deity inherently defends the culture that created it. Switching allegiance to another culture's deity suggests conquest, manipulation, or indoctrination, as deities shape identity, encompassing everything that defines an individual. Losing one's deity results in a loss of spiritual grounding, historical understanding, and cultural traditions. The biblical Deity, known as the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, specifically belongs to the Israelites and is named Hashem, as stated in Exodus 6:3 in the Tanakh. Its role was initially confined to the Israelites, yet men altered its name to God, a word derived from a Proto-Germanic term unrelated to Hebrew. The deity's role evolved from being a protector of the Israelites to becoming the deity for all converts, tasked with combating the devil rather than addressing issues of ineffective governance, oppression, or inequality as it is written He did for the Israelites. Prominent figures strategically designated spokespersons to manage the masses, understanding that ascribing decisions to divine commands would ensure compliance and deter potential revolts fueled by aspirations for improvement in their lives... 2 Likes |
| Religion / Re: Trust Not God by Roycemadeit(m): 7:58am On Jan 28 |
MaxInDHouse: Hey, it's not cool that you buy into the idea that the God of Abraham, the ancestral God of Israelites, is true and all other Gods including your own ancestral Gods are demons. Consider that Islam and Judaism are also Abrahamic beliefs. Understanding the origin of your beliefs is crucial; otherwise, you're just running on faith. |
| Religion / Re: Trust Not God by Roycemadeit(m): 6:39pm On Jan 25 |
MaxInDHouse: I don't feel they are fictional... Believers can't see how real there are, that's why they are called believers. |
| Religion / Re: Trust Not God by Roycemadeit(m): 5:28pm On Jan 25 |
"That's the essence. Each culture has its own deity or deities championing its interests. It's presumptuous for someone to claim their God mandates I surrender what rightfully belongs to me, especially when the divine message didn't come directly to me. This situation embodies elements of nepotism, envy and jealousy. I want to emphasize that figures like Abraham are merely fictional characters." |
| Religion / Re: Trust Not God by Roycemadeit(m): 2:15pm On Jan 25 |
Aemmyjah: Interestingly, Max said nobody owned any possessions. Now, let's explore what you refer to as their ancestors' territory—a land accommodating merely 70 individuals, the total number of Israelites who initially entered Egypt. They vacated this land for 413 years, returning to encounter not just one or two nations but a multitude including Canaanites, Jebusites, Gibeonites, Hittites, Hivites, Jericho, and others. These nations comprised thousands of people, and one might question the assumption that the territory, rightfully belonged to Abraham. How plausible is it for an individual to claim ownership over a land where diverse nations settled and endured challenges for centuries? As non-Israelites began occupying the land, God allowed them to settle. However, centuries later, they faced a conflict and perished at the hands of those who believed the land was promised to them by God. What distinguishes them from marauding herdsmen who kill villagers and force them out in the name of their God? If you consider the actions of the Israelites as as right, then one lacks the right to question others who seize possessions of others at their God's command. This same belief system has historically led to the subjugation of others, enslavement of races, exploitation, and the seizure of properties belonging to others. |
| Religion / Re: Trust Not God by Roycemadeit(m): 10:08pm On Jan 24 |
MaxInDHouse: You see how you left other things I mentioned and jumped to possession? If nobody possessed anything why did God lead Israelites to possessing a land that's not theirs? If something is evil acknowledge it, but y'all believers would not because you don't recognise it. While others think and act progressively, believers' see Endtime |
| Religion / Re: Trust Not God by Roycemadeit(m): 6:43pm On Jan 24 |
MaxInDHouse: The absence of wrong makes it challenging to discern what is right, just as the lack of bad prevents the understanding of good. In navigating between these extremes, choices emerge. Yet, I perceive life not as dictated by a binary of wrong and good, but rather as a series of opportunities to learn and make better choices. What one deems bad may hold merit for another; the key lies in evaluating the benefits and consequences based on individual perspectives. However, for someone unbiased and still holding onto a sense of humanism, reading about the suffering imposed on families, children, individuals, and nations—whose possessions were seized at God's command—raises questions about the assertion that God is Good. |
| Religion / Re: Trust Not God by Roycemadeit(m): 6:32pm On Jan 24 |
vdestro: You obviously didn't understand my post. You may go through it again. I specifically talked about the meaning of GRACE and it's ridiculousness in the palace of justice... I make peace, and I CREATE EVIL: I the Lord do all these things...  Isaiah 45:7 |
| Religion / Re: Trust Not God by Roycemadeit(m): 6:21pm On Jan 24 |
vdestro: The biblical God isn't as powerful as that, he is nothing more than a tool in hands of men. |
| Religion / Re: Trust Not God by Roycemadeit(m): 6:20pm On Jan 24 |
MaxInDHouse: Indeed. Let's have you name sins or define it. |
| Religion / Re: Trust Not God by Roycemadeit(m): 6:15pm On Jan 24 |
vdestro: Shey me that know that God is man made, that will now believe Hellfire is real? You can beg God for all the grace he has and I hope you get it, because he might have disliked you from your conception like he did Esau or loved you like Jacob, either one. You are the one choosing your belief! |
| Religion / Re: Trust Not God by Roycemadeit(m): 6:11pm On Jan 24 |
vdestro: A judge ought to be upright and just, when he becomes nepotic and bias, he is no longer a judge but a criminal. |
| Religion / Re: Trust Not God by Roycemadeit(m): 6:06pm On Jan 24 |
vdestro: this is an unreasonably sounding madness. |
| Religion / Re: Trust Not God by Roycemadeit(m): 5:59pm On Jan 24 |
MaxInDHouse: No one has sinned; this is the constraint imposed on people's mind to make them slaves. There's no evidence for alleged sins. Every mammal experiences pain during childbirth, and none consumes without effort. Snakes, as God supposedly cursed, don't eat sand. Even God, considered sinless, consults with lying spirits, expresses anger and jealousy, and acknowledges doing evil in the book of Isaiah. None has sinned. |
| Religion / Re: Trust Not God by Roycemadeit(m): 9:59am On Jan 24 |
MaxInDHouse: Yet, you are still saying Jacob is not liable to been judged? Even when had to disguise to be his brother? You forget you are talking about the deity who repented and changed his perspective over and over again! Weldone Sir Corruption Everywhere 1 Like |
| Family / Re: Nigerian Man Living Abroad Caught Wife In Hotel After She Claimed Going To Work by Roycemadeit(m): 9:54am On Jan 24 |
Jennyclay: That's why divorce exists, if the marriage is not as you had imagined, divorce. And go find your expectations at the hands of another, and guess what, your expectations would never be met at the hands of another. Her reaction says nothing, marriage is not boyfriend and girlfriend relationship especially not one with kids. 7 Likes |
| Religion / Re: Trust Not God by Roycemadeit(m): 9:43am On Jan 24 |
MaxInDHouse: What was the law written against murder that Cain was judged for? What was the law written against homosexuality that Sodom and Gomorrah was judged for? What was the law given that made Esau resent Jacob for what he did? How do you want to imply that Jacob is free of accusations when God was bias and already judged them BEFORE BIRTH?   1 Like |
| Religion / Re: Trust Not God by Roycemadeit(m): 9:30am On Jan 24 |
That Jacob was a thief and covetous and loved by God, tells the truth that God is human. |
| Religion / Re: Trust Not God by Roycemadeit(m): 9:18am On Jan 24 |
The cherished sibling reveals deceit, envy, and covetousness, even demanding the birthright in exchange for a meal. Esau, realizing the consequences, opts for survival, yet faces blame for losing both birthright and blessings. It becomes evident that blaming Esau stems from bias, as approaching it impartially would lead to judging God. |
| Religion / Re: Trust Not God by Roycemadeit(m): 8:08am On Jan 24 |
MaxInDHouse: If a wrongdoer escapes punishment due to grace or undeserved kindness, it implies a potentially biased God. Those expressing love for God might face disappointment on the final day, considering God's past actions, like favoring Jacob over Esau despite the latter's deceit and lack of brotherly love. 1 Like |
| Religion / Trust Not God by Roycemadeit(m): 8:09pm On Jan 23 |
The Bible acknowledges human inability to live above sin, suggesting that the sole pathway to heaven is through grace—a concept interpreted as favoritism. An analogy is drawn where a criminal was discharged and acquitted because he danced naked before the judge, akin to David's actions. There's skepticism about believers receiving a fair trial before the judgment throne, given perceived shortcomings in God's basic concept of justice. Instances like God cursing the seduced and tricked Adam, Eve, and the snake, while sparing the devil, raise questions about consistency. The narrative includes God cursing Cain and his potential killer, along with a drunken curse on a son's generation, sanctioned by God. Numerous examples within "the holy texts" lead to the conclusion that a reevaluation of how divine judgment is dispensed may be warranted. Despite claims that God reevaluates through grace, the interpretation remains contentious. The concern is that grace could save the wrongdoer, like the serial killer, while condemning the victims to eternal punishment. Examples such as David and Bathsheba or Jacob and Esau illustrate a paradox in which grace seems to favor the offender and neglect the harmed. In this perspective, no matter the colorful interpretations of "grace," it ultimately implies that God overlooks one's faults but condemns another. 1 Like |
| Religion / Re: Hierarchy In The Christian Family by Roycemadeit(m): 7:06am On Jan 21 |
The narrative of an unfamiliar man's crucifixion, ostensibly to avert an unquenchable fire, is portrayed as more harrowing than Superman saving the world. Subjecting children to watch such a film is most torturous and mind-wrecking. The ensuing fear often propels them to embrace Christianity. Parents, in turn, express jubilation, thanking God for their children's conversion, their subsequent dutifulness in the house of God, and prayerfulness. Curiously, the celebration overlooks their inquisitiveness or secrecy about the complexities of reality. Christianity, with its assertion that one can't live above sin, renders life a matter of navigating the intricacies of hypocrisy. By impressing upon their children that even with all the provisions and love they provide, their parental love pales in comparison to Jesus's love, a significant gap emerges. This narrative positions someone above their parents, a figure referred to as Lord, fostering a perceived hierarchy that can create a distance between the children and their parents. Parents inherently serve as Gods to their children, attending to their well-being and fulfilling roles that could be perceived as the responsibility of a higher power. However, the influence of indoctrination has led many to equate this care with the love of Hashem, the Hebrew Deity, who is called God,and his son often symbolized by the image of Caesar Borgia. Despite these beliefs, a crucial question arises: do both parents and children genuinely feel liberated and free from the influence of the Devil? The act of believing in Jesus raises persistent questions: Does belief ensure salvation from poverty, joblessness, or illness? Does reaching heaven not ultimately hinge on the grace of God? Does God's provision translate to manna falling from heaven, or does it necessitate active effort? And does the prosperity of businesses and the creation of an enabling environment rely on prayers? Despite grappling with these questions, believers continue to have children, recognizing a higher likelihood of their offspring facing challenges, potentially ending up in hell rather than heaven. This paradox persists, possibly fueled by an awareness of underlying uncertainties and a struggle to reconcile belief with a sense that something might be amiss. The tension between acknowledging doubts and an ingrained belief system often compels parents to keep navigating this intricate terrain to their own disadvantage. |
| Religion / Hierarchy In The Christian Family by Roycemadeit(m): 7:06am On Jan 21 |
Parents do not share narratives featuring a hero who mirrors their own struggles. The historical silence persists regarding the countless lives lost to the shackles of slavery and the heinous atrocities committed against their community in the name of greed. The broader context of inept governance often goes unaddressed, yet a different narrative takes center stage. A portrait of a man is presented as Jesus, conveying a message of love and salvation, framing his sacrifice as protection from the Devil, the supposed ruler of this world. This emphasis on a transcendent figure subtly fosters a disconnection from the existing government, creating a narrative that prioritizes spiritual salvation over engagement with earthly governance. Parents repeatedly instill in their children the notion, etching it into memory, that the unseen devil is responsible for any wrongdoing. Ironically, when their children actually attribute their misdeeds to the devil, parents often dismiss such claims and punishes them. |
| Family / Re: Hierarchy In Family by Roycemadeit(m): 7:05am On Jan 21 |
Despite grappling with these questions, believers continue to have children, recognizing a higher likelihood of their offspring facing challenges, potentially ending up in hell rather than heaven. This paradox persists, possibly fueled by an awareness of underlying uncertainties and a struggle to reconcile belief with a sense that something might be amiss. The tension between acknowledging doubts and an ingrained belief system often compels parents to keep navigating this intricate terrain to their own disadvantage. |
| Family / Re: Hierarchy In Family by Roycemadeit(m): 7:00am On Jan 21 |
The narrative of an unfamiliar man's crucifixion, ostensibly to avert an unquenchable fire, is portrayed as more harrowing than Superman saving the world. Subjecting children to watch such a film is most torturous and mind-wrecking. The ensuing fear often propels them to embrace Christianity. Parents, in turn, express jubilation, thanking God for their children's conversion, their subsequent dutifulness in the house of God, and prayerfulness. Curiously, the celebration overlooks their inquisitiveness or secrecy about the complexities of reality. Christianity, with its assertion that one can't live above sin, renders life a matter of navigating the intricacies of hypocrisy. By impressing upon their children that even with all the provisions and love they provide, their parental love pales in comparison to Jesus's love, a significant gap emerges. This narrative positions someone above their parents, a figure referred to as Lord, fostering a perceived hierarchy that can create a distance between the children and their parents. Parents inherently serve as Gods to their children, attending to their well-being and fulfilling roles that could be perceived as the responsibility of a higher power. However, the influence of indoctrination has led many to equate this care with the love of Hashem, the Hebrew Deity, who is called God,and his son often symbolized by the image of Caesar Borgia. Despite these beliefs, a crucial question arises: do both parents and children genuinely feel liberated and free from the influence of the Devil? The act of believing in Jesus raises persistent questions: Does belief ensure salvation from poverty, joblessness, or illness? Does reaching heaven not ultimately hinge on the grace of God? Does God's provision translate to manna falling from heaven, or does it necessitate active effort? And does the prosperity of businesses and the creation of an enabling environment rely on prayers? |
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