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I think am done here. I will come back again next year to see how far you've regressed. In 2016 when this thread started - you guys were not this bad!

Daejoyoung:
You are always jumping from one ladder to another. Stay one place na!

A good start - hope we see it soon in our supermaket and stores. Maybe your banks can donate one advertisement slot in CNN for this...people would love those African prints! I think I have two or three...that I bought in Uganda. Kenya we just do western kind of clothing.

Don't be like our congolese..who spend all the day bleaching, buying expensive perfumes, fashion and dancing lingala tunes..while their country which like nigeria has incredible natural resources is mirred in poverty.

Actually you guys are CONGOLESE skin lightening twins. All you dream about is to peacock around in multi-colored african prints if not dancing and making merry!!! . That is your dream...just like our African American bros. And you will end up in the same boat.

Daejoyoung:
These are the biggest fashion brands in Nigeria, you can read about them here and their influence abroad..


https://www.google.de/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.nairaland.com/2271350/biggest-fashion-brands-nigeria-people&ved=2ahUKEwickI_8vsvaAhVHKVAKHSvpAq8QFjABegQIBxAB&usg=AOvVaw2t4MBoZp8ajTW-BTo7WoTf

Which top fashion brand has emerged out of Nigeria? Nothing? How about you start a multi-colored african prints and brand it. Maybe we can buy it? Maybe you can export it?

The way I see - LAGOS is KINSHASA - just like congolese focus on the mundane-music and fashion - nigeria are doing exactly that with addition of nollywood movies. You need to focus on serious stuff...fashion - brand it - export it- sell it. Don't just spend a fortune on African multi-colored prints on your tailor and call it fashion.

Daejoyoung:
if you know nothing about the billion dollar fashion industry in Nigeria and it's growing influence in the U.S by Nigerians in Diaspora, then say nothing lest you get your ass whipped again.
You can't compare the fashion industry of Kenya to that of Nigeria.
Textile is nothing to brag about as far as Nigeria is concerned.

You really excel in selling strange ideas.That one has to visit a country before you can talk about it?. Compare yourself against yourself? How does that even work. I think we are letting facts speak for themselves and learning in the process. And please don't project your insecurity on the rest of us....personally I'll admit areas where kenya is just whack...corruption...for one...I also will admit that South Africans are on another level...but as far as Nigeria goes...hell no..these guys need shock therapy!!

trevortom:
I have seen this thread of Nigerians Vs Kenyans for quite sometime and decided to contribute....

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I believe everyone has a right to their Opinion and belief. However, sometimes opinion is an indicator of mindset but not actual fact. As a Kenyan, I find it strange and funny that 98% of people in this debate have neither visited Nigeria or Kenya. In this regard, it begs to ask whether it is really a debate on the state of affairs of these two countries or are we seeking a place from which we can build our fragile esteems.
As individuals we should always aspire to be greater and better than we are but not than other people. So as much as my countrymen came to this blog with the intention of representing the true image of our country, I think the reason for their patriotic action has been lost along the way. It is a well known fact, that Nigeria has known issues and so is Kenya. But what I see here is not who is better than who but who is worse than who. I may be insulted for these but hey If you are a true Kenyan, then let go of this urge to show Kenya as being better than Nigeria. For if Kenya and Nigeria are in the same situation then, is it really wise to compare and contrast amongst the two?
Tribalism, politics, education etc have made us distort patriotism and selfish pride. It is a selfish pride and emptiness that is driving the arguments that are in this debate. For all I care, I love my country with all our perfectness and Imperfections. To this I believe we are only comparable to ourselves. By these I mean that, If as Kenyans we can look at our country yesterday vs Today and can see a change, then we have a basis for comparison.
We then must strive to compete between the old and new Kenya but not vs other countries. I understand that sometimes for national pride competition exists. But shall we compete here on this platform when in the real world we are nowhere to be seen? Are we this quick to deal with corrupt officials and ideologies? Are we this quick to bring and seek the true facts regarding particular scandals? Are we this quick and unrelenting to seek and adhere to justice?
As a Kenyan I can just say, we are only comparable and answerable to ourselves. Seeking to show others what we have done is a confirmation of the low esteem by which we seek approval and affirmation, using the false pretense of pride and in the name of defending our country.

Thank You

Yeah that kind of multi-colored outfit - doesn't sell globally though. So if you want to export apparell and textiles - you have to come to Kenya and learn.

samsobo24:
See as I dey laugh dey chat with this guy

Those are self-serving title awarded to by Nigerians to Lagos. LAGOS cannot be capital of anything serious.The capital of multi-colored Africa Prints for sure.

samsobo24:
so why do you think lagos is the capital of fashion in Africa

ZENITH bank will survive for 3 more years.

obaaderemi:
It's no longer 2018?

We are not talking about tailors making your favourite Africa prints.

We are talking huge factories making TOP BRANDS of fashion.Calvin Klein, Victoria Secrets and other licensed brands owned by US clothing conglomerate Phillips-Van Heusen Corporation. plus MANY OTHERS that are sold in UNITED STATES. Not Ikeja or what other nigerian slum city you got.

And now you can buy them in Nairobi for CHEAP.

Read more at: https://www.standardmedia.co.ke/business/article/2001233922/kenyans-can-now-buy-top-clothing-brands-at-affordable-rates-locally

samsobo24:
Textile companies are every where in Nigerian towns.Now apprehend this.

Ikeja,the capital of lagos,has more industrial clusters than the whole of your tiny country

I feel they are very stupid. That is why while our banks are growing and turning profit every year - you're burning money. Why would you put an ad of CNN? - do you have a branch globally? Are you BARCLAYS? or CITIBANK. You're a damn stupid NIGERIAN BANK....whose combined capital is less than South Africa's STANBANK. And you don't see South Africa banks splashing money on CNN or BBC.

It seem bad manners is all over nigeria...now watch in 2 or 3 yrs...our banks will have overtaken your banks..without one ad in CNN or BBC.

You guys CANNOT ran a kiosk.

samsobo24:
Rvp or whatever, mind the way you talk about our banks.
How does it feel to you when you see Zenith bank,UBA etc Advert on CNN or BBC

Kenya nearly doubled its exports to the United States under AGOA from $225 million in 2010 to $389 million in 2016. Apparel is mainly exported under AGOA.
https://agoa.info/news/article/15332-kenya-aims-doubling-2016-exports-value-to-us-by-2025-under-agoa.html
And if you want pictures I can help you see the huge factories where those textiles and apparels are made.

obaaderemi:
Cooked figures again.Are you never tired of this bshit?

Grow up little kid and jump to another thread. There must be a sections for dung flies like you?

justtoodark:
can you just shvt up...who cares what kenyans export....?

Classic nigerian. You're trying to lynch me because you cannot re-butt my sound arguments. Thank goodness for the internet - you can't reach me. And please give a break your generator. Ohoo boy how do you guys live. I have heard Lagos and Nigeria cities is permeated by the sounds of generators. Must be very annoying. Here I can hear the birds chirping and I can drive to game park in a few minutes.

obaaderemi:
This rsvp17 guy is not worth it.At best he is a teenager and at worst a dunce. The previous Kenyans did a bad job but at least they had some brains. This one is insufferable and a disgrace to the other Kenyans who had been flogged off this site.

2016 - Kenya exported nearly 400M usd - worth of textile to USA. Now do the projection for 2018 figures (based on the growth rate)...and my estimate of $0.5b is conservative.
https://agoa.info/news/article/15332-kenya-aims-doubling-2016-exports-value-to-us-by-2025-under-agoa.html

obaaderemi:
Lying comes naturally to you, Odhiambo. Where is the link showing the $500m apparel export?It is cooked like your GDP and growth figures.

Both Ethiopia and TZ - are about the same with Nigeria - about twice in Kenya area wise and population wise - but still they can't smell kenya. And if they did - I have no problem with that. Ethiopia had overtaken kenyan - but after they devalued their birr - they are now below kenya. As for TZ - their economy is $50B - and ours $80B - and mostly from minning - if you know TZ - and their lazy disposition - there is no way they can catch up - despite all the gold, the tonnes of natural gas they discovered and diamond.

Kenya will stand tall in Africa - and will overtake South Africa around 2030. I hope this thread will survive that long with us!

Nigeria with your world re-known fakery - you're going NOWHERE. Next you tell us you're 1 trillion dollar economy but your taxes will be 20B dollars

obaaderemi:
Lol, how can your economy grow when Ethiopia and Tanzania are already muscling you out.

We are looping here. You know you merged you banks to get here. You know we are organically growing - and so fast - we are going to overtake all you banks - very very soon.

obaaderemi:
Now you are really scraping at the bottom of the barrel. South Africa and Nigeria both have 6 banks on that list.Kenya has only two and both combined are about the size of access bank. No wonder Nigerian banks are eating your breakfast. How can you compete with such Lilliputian kiosks you call banks?

Kenya exports textile and apparels - worth 500M dollars ($0.5B) to US of A annually. The jeans or other clothes you buy in the US - chance are they are from Kenya or Mauritus or Lesotho or Bangladesh. Next time try to read the label - you'll see MADE IN KENYA.

As for long story of Benin & Togo - I don't know how to respond to that - sound like total chaos - we have porous border with Somalia and they do sneak in lots of goods - but it's nothing - worth worrying about on the large scale.

Danielnino00:
I'm just here ROTFLMAO .. This Rvp17 is obviously a dunce.. and a confused one at that... he keeps going round in circle and changing goalposts... just yesterday, he said Kenya exports finishes goods to the US now he is saying it is to Sudan ... According to reliable data in the link I posted,over half of Kenya exports stay in Africa... where is the finished goods he is talking about? Nigeria's export might not be very good too cus we mostly export oil but at least we know what we export and to where...unlike some low self esteemed folks from the east who are looking for relevance



He even said Benin Republic and Togo are our competitors. lol... somebody should tell the dunce that almost half of Benin and Togo imports come from Nigeria.. yes! there is hardly any country in West Africa were Nigeria isn't one of their major import partners.. the problem we are having with those counter is due to our porous border..Some Nigerian businessesmen will import goods from other countries which will arrive at Benin Republic and will b smuggled to Nigeria... the reason is because its cheaper to purchase and bring in the goods from those countries than to imported them directly to Nigeria.... a lot of people who are into trading also prefer to buy their goofs from Benin Republic. it's cheaper there... In all,Benin Republic itself benefits more from it...

Dream on. We are aiming at south Africa. There is nothing we can learn from Nigeria or aim for. Our growth is broad-based and solid.

15yrs ago our economy was $12B - and after growing it consistently for 15yrs at 5-6%- now it's at $80B (not cooked). Now if grow at same rate - and I don't see any reason why we shouldn't - we don't depend on one or two sectors - then in 15yrs - around 2033 - our GDP should be $550B (NOT COOKED) - and I think South Africa - will be around there too...because their growth is anemic and they have serious structural issues to resolve.

If South Africa are not carefully - we may reach them in 10yrs time.

15yrs ago - South Africa economy was $175B - now it's 317B - they have just nearly doubled! While we have grown ours nearly 7 times - without cooking!

15yra go - Nigeria GDP was believeable at $85B - now it's crazy overcooked at $400B

Therefore my projection is that in 15yrs now - Kenya will be Africa leading economy at $650B - followed by South Africa at 600B - with Nigeria okay still just being Nigeria !!!

Daejoyoung:
Nobody is defending Nigeria, we are only saying Kenya is not at Nigeria's level yet, maybe you'll get there with the help of the lndians and whites who dominate your business space, and with your potential via tourism but at the moment Kenya is still too small.

Oga - I know you can do better - Kenyan banks have been growing for 20 plus yrs - and I think in 2015 - KCB made it's debut in 1000 banks of the global - then Equity & Co-op - now KCB is just knocking at door of ACCESS, GTBANK and FIRSTBANK. Regionally - East Africa - Kenya banks dominate the top 10. There is no TZ or Uganda or etc BANK in top 10 of regional ranking. That is how good our banks are.

While our banks are climbing up..you' banks if they weren't burning money...would be aiming at South Africa..where one bank (STANBANK) is equal to all your banks COMBINED.

https://www.theatlas.com/i/atlas_SyLlkcjVb.png
And regionally

obaaderemi:
Your money then is not the smart money, Odhiambo. KCB is growing at 5%. It will forever remain small unless you grow your economy and stop lying about your phantom exports and GDP. Please, send the latest data on KCB. Let's compare notes.

Who is "we". Speak for yourself. You're defending Nigeria against all logic and reasons.

samsobo24:
We aren't shy to tell our bad sides

That make sense..the more I have dug into nigeria affairs..the more it's apparent there is nothing in there to tax. Okay let's pray for another oil price rally? Maybe the barrel will hit 200usd!

Officially the dutch disease should be renamed the Nigeria disease..although OIL CURSE is good enough explanation.

It is interesting to see how natural resource can completely destroy a country.

sufferNsmiling:
rvp2017 I cannot see you do not know much about Nigeria. How can you tell the government to collect taxes when there is nothing in the country to tax. Are you now going to collect tax from the 85 million people in extreme poverty or from the 140 million in poverty. If you go to a refugee camp and see the people are dying of hunger can you now tell them to pay taxes.

2015 - try find data for 2016 -2017 - and then do your own projection - and tell me when you think KCB will overtake GTBANK and ACCESS BANK AND FIRST BANK - at their 25% growth rate - my MONEY is on this year 2018 - for Access Bank - and 2019 for both GT and First Bank. 2021 for Zenith BANK. Disagree?

obaaderemi:
Sauce and salt,your Majesty
https://naibuzz.com/biggest-best-banks-in-kenya/ You need to build your banks. You've got the potential with all the whites and Asians among you. Plus your tourism and your phantom exports.

We are not in Nigeria - not yet - we are coming - we are in Congo now.

justtoodark:
chaiii...i dont understand you none nigerian blacks...what the hell do you realy want from us.....??

una want us to sign a bill saying kenya is better than nigeria or what....?

we will gladly sign it solong you kenyans stay away from us..... ...deal...??.....

Nigeria will remain backward - Africans have to open up - it's fake border imposed by colonialist - and African should be free to move or trade or visits. I welcome Nigerian to come to visit or trade or study or marry or live in Kenya. Obviously the drug dealers and thieves will be shot on sight kenyan style.

justtoodark:
we dont want you to lead us too...lets separate....

you are different type of black people....simple as that....i dont give no flying shittt about pan african....

lead yourselfs...

Nigeria banks bought two small banks - and so far - they are just hopeless - kenya banking is too sophisticated for them. They've been burning so much money - I really pity them. They can't hack it - Barclays, Standard Chartered and even South Africa Stanbic -are struggling - leave alone Nigeria GT Bank or ECOBANK. Kenyans are very competitive. Ask South Africa companies who attempted to come here and we buried all of them alive. They go to Nigeria and rest of Africa - and strive - they come to kenya - and they can't hack it. Dangote - ran so fasts - he was found complaining that kenya is more corrupt than Nigeria .

Kenya well educated work force that has largely ran open-market liberalized economy will eat you lunch oga!

obaaderemi:
We don't believe in the government of Nigeria, you asss. Maybe you once did and they frustrated you,I can't say but we can see you are frustrated. What the Nigerian guys here are defending is that despite bad governance, Nigerians are pulling themselves up with their shoe laces and making impacts in Nigeria and Africa. It might interest you to know that among Kenya's 43 banks two are owned by Nigerians and Kenya itself has been cooking its GDP and stats badly. They are worse off apart from northern Nigeria which has turned itself to an albatross. I wonder what you as a youth has done to help Nigeria other than to moan and attack Nigeria.

You were never the leader - you attempted to lie to yourself - nobody - least of all nigeria believe it - and they are voting with their feet everyday out of nigeria - making dangerous boat journey to europe.

South Africa and Kenya will lead Africa. That you can rest assured of. Already we are top 30 globally in DOING GOOD.

justtoodark:
we dont want to be the leader of the black race....lead yourselfs....

oya,gba...take the useless title of giant of africa......

we dont want and dont care....

the darkside dont give a flying fvck about blacks.....

I don't see any hope - unless the nigeria gov first focussed on collecting taxes - at mere $36B dollars Istate+federal budget) - there is very little a gov can do - to gather for 200M - even a well meaning one.

TAXES. TAXES. And maybe debt..but nobody is going to lend you money when you revenues are low....so before any big dreams...nigeria need to really reform their tax regime.

In kenya - we have gone to the stage - where everyone - above 18yrs has to fill their tax returns. Even if you fill NILL returns.

Now kenya budget including counties is nearly $32B against Nigeria $36B. That is why some guy here is happy with 25M syringe factory in his state

sufferNsmiling:
A lot of people in nigeria belief in the government too much but the government does nothing here in the country only thing they do is making noise deceive the people and invest hundreds of billions of dollars in other countries while deceiving the people. How state in nigeria are now begging other african countries for development. Our government is 30 in africa in performance and achievements. Most of are politicians invest in other countries and have businesses in other countries that is why they don't care about nigeria. When are people abroad come back to nigeria in millions they only state in the country from 1 to 3 years and run to other countries to develop.

List of countries by industrial production growth rate

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_industrial_production_growth_rate

I can find you many yrs where Nairobi Stock Exchange has been rated the best...but we are talking CAPITALIZATION..an indicator of how big your companies are! Get it?

obaaderemi:
The rating of all stock markets across the globe
by S&P Dow Jones Indices has put Nigerian Stock
Exchange (NSE) as one of the 5 best capital
markets in the world.
According to the rating body », the Lagos bourse
grew by 42% in 2017. Thus, making the NSE third-
best performing capital market after Argentina and
Turkey. Stock markets of Hong Kong and the United
States occupied fourth and fifth position to
complete the top five for 2017.

Try include the source...I know you guys are scrapping the bottom of the barrel..unable to string a coherent sound argument..but you're making it's worse for nigeria..because you're showing not only your GDP is cooked - you guys are also hopeless liars.

obaaderemi:
KCB your biggest bank is just $4bn in assets. Add it to Coop bank Kenya and Barclay bank Kenya, they are still smaller than Gtbank. Na wa o.

The best in what? Obviously this is beyond your paygrade! But can you qualify that? A stock exchange can be the best in a single day or month in returns - but overally - when I looked at you cap - it's very tiny (despite OIL COMPANIES) - $40B against kenya's $30B - Dangote is starting to see SAFARICOM dust and please don't even talk about JSE - let those South Africans not hear you. That one is on it's own league...and it's 350B dollar economy. NOT COOKED. NOT MASSAGED. REAL ECONOMY. Not faked one like NIGERIA.

samsobo24:
and you don't know that the NSE is the best in the world

http://www.pulse.ng/bi/finance/nigerian-stock-market-is-best-in-the-world-so-far-for-2018-id7845533.html

In our village - we have Africa if not the world biggest manufacture of fly fishing hooks - my friend actually owns the company. How is making syringes relevant to the debate here?
https://alexnld.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/sku1623024-500x500.jpg

samsobo24:
and your bigotry IQ told you that it isn't the second largest in Africa

You know that is not true - the difference btw GT - and KCB - is mere 3-4B dollars - and at KCB growth rate of 25% - and GTBANK zero (if not worse - I know in Kenya they are burning money like all Nigeria banks in Kenya- ECOBANK etc) - then by time they do calculation for this year - maybe KCB bank will be bigger than GTB.

Let stick to FACTS. It should NOT be hard to defend 500B dollar economy. . Call YEMI KALE to help you dude - you're stats GURU.

obaaderemi:
All this long story to what end?Gtb never merged and it's still bigger than at least 3 of your biggest banks put together. I like the way you Kenyattas run around when you are cornered like the mice you are. Even Tanzanian banks are eating your dinner.

I know Nigeria who cannot defend the cook GDP are desperately trying to ran to their "big" companies. But that is no refuge man.

Let compare the cap of Nigeria Stock Exchange (NSE) and Nairobi Stock exchange (NSE). The giant versus the dwart.

NSE -the giant - cap seem to hover around N14-16 trillion - just around $40B dollars.
NEE - the dwarf - cap seem to hover around Kshs 2.8-3 trillion - just around $30 dollars.

In short Kenya which is not a "500B dollar with 200M people with lots of petrol dollars" Nairobi Stock Exchange total caps as of today is $30B dollar - with Nigeria's just at $40B dollars. SEE COOKED GDP

Safaricom at about $12B dollars beats or equals Dangote Cement (which account for 20% plus of Nigeria Stock Exchange).

The search for the giant continues....