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First understand what GDP is and we can proceed. Population has NO bearing. It only comes into play during Per Capita calculation. What is measured is good and services produced/consumed. Our Kenyan tea is measured based on quantity produced and prices it fetches - and the same case with service sectors.

I'd love to hear how Nigeria telcom sector contribute 10% of the 500B USD! This Nigeria GDP is intriguing. It's audacious in the way it's overcooked.

Sadly for you - nobody believe it.

1) NO lender believes it - so you're not getting any loan soon.Kenya when it's issued it Euro-bond (now 4B dollars) it was oversubscribed by 8000%. Chinese have pumped loans worth more than 10B dollars. Because we have revenue (taxes) that can repay the loan. Nigeria with measly 36B budget - cannot even pay decent wages to teacher or army.

2) NO Investor believes it- so no FDI for you. You have to wait for sole man Dangote to try his monopolistic and corrupt ways.

SO your GDP is basically useless...except for lying Nigeria politician to cheat you that "Nigeria is Africa GIANT". Really - when did South Africa and Egypt die

Daejoyoung:
So rvp2017, you can find out more about the telecommunications sector and stop comparing Nigeria to South Africa.
l know you wouldn't understand anything you read though and this is why l never take you seriously when l read your post, because you are a comic relief on this thread.

This is exactly what is wrong with Nigeria. The NCC is quoting figures from NBS . In the rest of the world - it would be NBS quoting NCC. NCC would be collecting data every Quarter and that will be what NBS can use to cross-reference.

Daejoyoung:
The Nigerian Communications Commission (NCC) says the telecommunications sector contributed[b] N1.54 trillion to the country’s Gross Domestic Product (GDP) in the second quarter of 2017.[/b]

NCC’s Executive Vice-Chairman, Umar Dambatta, disclosed this while receiving the visiting Chairperson of Liberia Telecommunications Authority (LTA), Madam Angelique Weeks.

Mr. Dambatta, a professor, said that the figure was derived from recently released Bureau of Statistics’ report on the economy.

The News Agency of Nigeria (NAN) reports that the National Bureau of Statistics (NBS) in its second quarter Gross Domestic Product GDP report had on August 29 announced Nigeria’s exit from recession after it slumped early 2016.

He said the figure showed that the telecommunications sector contributed 9.5 per cent to the GDP in the second quarter of the year.

According to him, the figure represents a 6.68 per cent increase from the first quarter’s contribution of N1.45 trillion.

“We are very proud of the remarkable contributions the sector is making,” Mr. Dambatta said in a statement.

“Even in the recent times when the whole economy was facing challenges, the sector has remained resilient and stable.”

Source.. Premiumtimes Nigeria.

There is nothing black or white about stats or facts. These are COLD HARD EMPIRICAL DATA.

Daejoyoung:
So you need the white man's statistics to affirm that you are at least contributing something to the world?
The last time l checked, most of the revolutionary breakthroughs of the 21st century such as Facebook and Instagram still comes from the U.S, and the strength of the USA is her combination of cultures and so many immigrants having her as home.
You cannot compete with the West by looking out for recommendations in those western statistics. We have to learn to think out of the western box in order to be creative in our own way.

Thanks dude - at least one Prof - who has taken the time to understand the whole Nigeria GDP charade

kikuyu1:
What happened is that certain people made a career of lying with stats. Careers were made,papers written and worst of all policies planned on FICTION!
This is why all their true development stats and consumption data read like Burundi or Burkina faso and even pros regularly highlight Naij's fake stats. Here's Prof Hanke,a world renowned economist and his take recently. Look at his graph when y0ur inf was 100%+.


https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-10-18/nigeria-spins-out-control-and-imf-remains-unaware

Why did Sanussi,former CBN gov tell PMB to forget about the 30 bn $ loan last year? Surely,for a 500 bn$ economy that's small potatoes?

In our small way we're a global force-look at that Good Country Index and before commenting see the data sets and ranking.


http://www.businessinsider.com/good-country-index-2014-6?IR=T

You don't make much sense. That is probably because you attended one of Nigeria bad universities. GDP doesn't measure or factor population. It suppose to measure goods and service produced.All this from empirical data that is cross-referenced/checked for accuracy. For instance Telcom - you can have 140M mobile customers - but what are earnings of all Nigeria telcom sector? The fake Nigeria GDP claims your telcom sector is 10% of the economy - that is whopping 50B dollars created annually - can you show me where that 50B worth of TELCOM services in Nigeria annually? What data did Kale Yemi use to cook that?

To help you and Yemi Kale -- here is what South African think their telcom sector is worth (2.7% of their GDP)
Excluding broadcasting and postal services, the telecommunications industry was worth R148.8bn in 2016, with its value increasing by 1% year-on-year. The sector contributed 2.7% to GDP and employed 26,669 people, according to the Independent Communications Authority of South Africa

And Kenya
2012--The value of Kenya's ICT sector is estimated at US$ 500 million and is expected to grow to US$ 1 billion by 2017. ▻ The sector contributed 2.9% to Kenya's GDP in 2012. Now I think i'ts about 2B dollars worth of services. All this from Communication Authority of Kenya that rigorously collect and analyse data - and have it validated by the very best economist & researchers - NOT COOKED DATA.

And the Nigeria con-statistician - out of the blues - Nigeria telcom sector created $50B annually and 10% of GDP. And yet it struggling to raise 3B taxes..

And trust me Nigeria telcom is crap when compared to South Africa & Kenya. You just have 150m or more doing very little beyond making calls & texting!!

Daejoyoung:
Well it's not surprising to me that Nigeria is a 500 Billion dollar economy or even more. Countries with large populations and natural resources tend to have large economies as well, this is simply normal. The problem is when the GDP per capita is low as is the case with Nigeria.
l think you Kenyans need a course or two on Economics. GDP is not a measure of the amount in Government coffers, but the worth of goods and services in total from that country, the Government depending on oil may not be worth more than 60 Billion dollars but the country as a whole could be worth more. Population plays a key role in the total worth of goods in a country, for example the total worth of tea produced in Kenya would multiply by almost threefold in Nigeria same with telecommunication sector where Nigeria has over 100.6 million mobile users currently( that's already more than double the total population of Kenya) etc.
So high GDP is expected for Nigeria, but we have low GDP per capita.

That would be so unfortunate. Your country is hopeless.

Daejoyoung:
Your obsession with Nigeria is real, are you a Nigerian?

Kikuyu1
Please help me understand Nigeria revenue
BUDGET 2018
Revenue N'trillion
Oil revenue 2.44
Non oil revenue 1.33 (3.6BUSD) -------------------this is about the total taxes collected in 500B giant economy ! seriously niga?
Independent sources (+others) 2.84
Deficit 2.00
Aggregate revenue + borrowing 8.61

Sorry when I meant Kenya one was at infancy - I didn't mean to compare with Nigeria stillborn one. Kenya social program has been active since 2012 - and it has actively & regularly & monthly - without miss - remitted about 0.5B dollars to disable, orphans, vulnerable and the old (anybody above 7oyrs).It also remit monthly money to those dealing with hunger & drought in northern arid kenya. I think when you factor the contribution from donors...the total spending is about 1B USD. South Africa are on 13B usd...but soon we will catch up.

Kenya also has long running National Health Insurance and National Social Pension (NSSF) - since I think 1980s - Nigeria one is at it's infancy - started around 2000s - and now in kenya the focus is UNIVERSAL HEALTH INSURANCE - meaning everyone will be covered by health insurance.

nwoke37:
We also have a welfare program for 1.5 million Nigerians, too small though, started by this current regime.
[url]https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-06-21/nigeria-rolls-out-2-billion-brazil-like-social-welfare-plan
[/url]

http://punchng.com/nigeria-deploys-social-welfare-scheme-help-poor/

Or maybe Yemi Kale cooked the GDP and it doesn't make sense anymore. I mean naturally in every country including Kenya - the bulk of taxes - will come from income tax - that is salaries - so I don't know how Nigeria formal employees manage to avoid paying taxes. If you remove the oil revenue from the taxes - basically GDP (Yemi Kale concoction) to tax ratio is nothing.

My question 1) How do nigeria employees avoiding paying taxes 2) How do Nigeria companies some listed in Nigeria stock exchange including those 20 big banks avoiding paying taxes? -MTN Nigeria alone should be paying more than 1B USD per year. In kenya - top 10 companies - contribute about 2B USD AS TAXES?

As for kenya - we are not doing so well - we are just at I think 20% - GDP to tax ratio - while likes of South Africa are 25-30% with Scandinavian countries doing 50%.But still projection for 2018/2019 is that we will collect 17B USD!

In short Nigeria or LAGOS so called GDP DO NOT MAKE ANY ECONOMIC SENSE. Totally COOKED. OVERCOOKED. In my own estimation...Nigeria GDP should be around 150-200B USD! - about twice - at worse thrice kenya! - But DEFINITELY WAY LESS THAN SOUTH AFIRCA AND EGYPT.

nwoke37:
People barely pay taxes and if they do they're low in Nigeria.Many people and companies avoid paying taxes through their cunning ways. Gosh, some of the richest Nigerians don't pay tax. Nigeria is a petrol state, so it can afford to not collect tax for a while. But after the oil price fell, the government fell the pinch and now they're working on diversifying revenue and increasing the tax net. Nigeria has one of the lowest,if not the lowest, tax to gdp ratio in the world.

Or maybe Yemi Kale cooked the GDP and it doesn't make sense anymore. I mean naturally in every country including Kenya - the bulk of taxes - will come from income tax - that is salaries - so I don't know how Nigeria formal employees manage to avoid paying taxes. If you remove the oil revenue from the taxes - basically GDP (Yemi Kale concoction) to tax ratio is nothing.

My question 1) How do nigeria employees avoiding paying taxes 2) How do Nigeria companies some listed in Nigeria stock exchange including those 20 big banks avoiding paying taxes?

As for kenya - we are not doing so well - we are just at I think 20% - GDP to tax ratio - while likes of South Africa are 25-30% with Scandinavian countries doing 50%.

But still projection for 2018/2019 is that we will collect 17B USD!

nwoke37:
People barely pay taxes and if they do they're low in Nigeria.Many people and companies avoid paying taxes through their cunning ways. Gosh, some of the richest Nigerians don't pay tax. Nigeria is a petrol state, so it can afford to not collect tax for a while. But after the oil price fell, the government fell the pinch and now they're working on diversifying revenue and increasing the tax net. Nigeria has one of the lowest,if not the lowest, tax to gdp ratio in the world.

IVY League in Kenya
Suffice to say two kenyan initiative are sending more poor kids to IVY league every yr - and paying for their school fees or arranging scholarship - while Nigeria kids are probably on their own - despite all the billion of dollars from oil.

Equity Bank foundation
http://equitygroupfoundation.com/equity-group-airlift-to-global-universities-reaches-329-scholars-at-a-scholarship-value-of-kshs-8-225-billion/

Now spends 100M usd every year paying for kids in IVY league - with 400 plus currently admitted or studying in top universities.

Kensap
http://kensap.org/
KenSAP has placed students at:
Harvard (18)
Yale (11)
Princeton (10)
Brown (
Amherst (7)
Cornell (7)
Middlebury (7)
Penn (7)
Williams (6)
Hamilton (5)
Lehigh (5)
Wesleyan (5)
Colby (4)
Dartmouth (4)
Stanford (4)
Tufts (4)
Bowdoin (3)
Brandeis (3)
Columbia (3)
Duke (3)
MIT (3)
Smith (3)
U of Toronto (3)
Barnard (2)
Bates (2)
Bryn Mawr (2)
Kenyon (2)
Mount Holyoke (2)
Northwestern (2)
Swarthmore (2)
St. Lawrence (2)
Carleton (1)
Connecticut College (1)
Davidson (1)
Gettysburg (1)
McGill (1)
Michigan State (1)
Oberlin (1)
Pomona (1)
Vassar (1)
Wellesley (1)
Wooster (1)

Classic definition of a slum city

Danielnino00:
Eko for show

I really don't have time to go through all IVY league schools so will wait for some aggregated stats somewhere but suffice to say - it's Nigeria that need to fix it's education - not kenya - which the last decade has really fixed it's own.

The number of Nigerian students in America has been on a general upward trend since the 1990s as a result of recurring crises in Nigerian higher education. According to statistics from the Institute of International Education, or IIE, in 2008 Nigeria replaced Kenya as the only African country in the top 20 places of origin and it remains in that position.

“In the 2012-13 academic year, 7,316 students from Nigeria were studying in the United States, up 4% from the previous year,” noted an IIE fact sheet flowing from its latest Open Doors survey on student mobility in and out of America.

Obi1kenobi:
Never knew Yale was the only "Ivy League" school is the US. There are 48 Nigerians currently in Harvard and 26 Kenyans:
http://www.hio.harvard.edu/statistics
There are 57 Nigerians in Oxford and 25 Kenyans:
https://www.ox.ac.uk/about/facts-and-figures/student-numbers?wssl=1#
There are 53 Nigerians in Cambridge University and 17 Kenyans:
https://www.internationalstudents.cam.ac.uk/applying/global-community/international-student-data

Hell, even in your Yale, for the current session, there are 26 Nigerians and 18 Kenyans:
https://oiss.yale.edu/about/statistics-reports-2017-2018

What's your point?

To be honest, we're failing in education, but you aren't that much better off despite your illusions of the bestest infrastructure ever.

Kenya lead Africa in admission to IVY league schools
https://www.capitalfm.co.ke/campus/kenyans-bag-top-admissions-ivy-league-universities-u-s/
ale Director for Africa “Kenyans continue to hold the largest share of admissions to Yale from Africa, which shows the premium the country puts on quality education.” Data from Yale University provided information on the admission rates of African students with Kenyans taking the biggest slice of the pie with 24 admissions. Nigerian followed closely in admissions with 23 students, Zimbabwe secured the third spot with 18 admissions and South Africa were in last with 16 admissions.

Compare Prof Terry Ryan(St Trinity College & MIT Allumni - with lots of years in academia) with the conman Yemi Kale - Nigeria GDP main cook - Yemi Kale - Alumni of Adis Ababa university . GDP of 500B - that cannot raise even 10B of taxes? With total budget including states at mere 36BUSD?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yemi_Kale

Here is Prof Terry Ryan (Chairman of Kenya National Bureau of statistics) - who head our statistics and monitary policy - making sure - for decades now- we don't cook our GDP like we over-cook our ugali or fufu
https://kenyanewsagency.go.ke/en/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/DSC_9967-300x198.jpg

No cooking GDP - naija style
https://kenyanewsagency.go.ke/en/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/Prof.-Ryan.jpg

Hear him explaining how improbable Naija GDP -500B of cowdung maybe
https://www.coastweek.com/3807-housing.JPG
Prof. Ryan is a Kenyan born economist who studied in Trinity College, Dublin and the Massachusetts Institute of Technology. He lectured in the University of Nairobi until 1983 when he was appointed Director of Planning in the Ministry of Planning and National Development of the Kenya Government. In 1988 he became the first Economic Secretary in the Ministry of Finance of the Kenya Government.

One last lesson for the night for Naija fellows - KAA (Gov parastalal) who ran all our airports hires the best global talent - here is the nowergian running things now.
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/qk2_FLGkH7U/hqdefault.jpg
KQ Airways MD (Sebastian Mikosz -Polish) and Chairman (AmeriKenyan) are "onyibo" - Michael Joseph is now a Kenyan citizen and the guy behind M-PESA/SAFARICOM now KQ charmain
https://www.capitalfm.co.ke/business/files/2017/09/MIKOSZ-JOSEPH-KQ.jpg

And today - they sacked all Nigeria staff -
https://www.nation.co.ke/business/KQ-sacks-Nigeria-staff--appoints-sales-agent/996-4396840-1vg664z/index.html
JamboJet MD -
https://i2.wp.com/aptantech.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/IMG_8537.jpg

That is how you avoid 150 airlines collapsing and the largest Naija ariline Airik is now insolvent and is under Naija management.

Why would you want to count aircrafts without valid insurance? for what purpose? or to INFLATE YOUR GDP

Kenya airways has 9-10 dreamliners...at today prices you're talking 2B DOLLARS worth of dreamliners alone.
[img]https://worldairlinenews.files./2014/04/kenya-airways-787-8-5y-kza-arrives-in-nairobi-on-4-5-14-kenyalr.jpg[/img]

shervydman:
Anytime this thread pops up in d politics section, when I have a peep n meet him here, I use him for comic relief.

Here's what his ranting about.

His ugali filled brain did not make him to know that they're talking about carriers with valid insurance cover.

The whole of Nigeria has few air crafts than one airline in Kenya - and all of them are small range one. When will you afford to buy a dream-liner.And you cannot buy with Naira - so quiting thinking purchasing power parity will help you (stupid argument if your think Naija is more developed than kenya).

One dreamliner will cost you 200M dollars plus. That is probably the total cost of all rickety 44 aircrafts in Nigeria.
https://cdn.airplane-pictures.net/images/uploaded-images/2014/10/29/477879.jpg
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/c6/c2/6f/c6c26f5def98dd3944bdaac4ff4f5666.jpg

shervydman:
That's what happen when u spend more time on nairaland than ur classroom.

Only 44 aircrafts in the entire Nairaland as of 2017!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! - nothing like dreamliner of course - in Nigeria - and their stats office will claim - airline contribute 10B dollars to their GDP

President of Aviation Roundtable (ART), an industry think-tank group, said Nigeria has eight domestic carriers - Arik Air, Aero Contractors, Air Peace, Med-View, Dana Air, Overland, Azman Air and First Nation. All the carriers put together have 44 aircraft with valid insurance cover.
He said, “Air Peace has 13; Arik 10; Overland seven; Dana, five; Azman, four; Med-View, four and First Nation one. That’s a total of 44 and I said to myself, 44 aircraft for all the operators in Nigeria, that is less than one airline. Can they become one airline with 44 airplanes without losing their identity? My answer is yes.”
After over 50 years of airline operations in Nigeria, over 150 airlines have gone into extinction and the few ones in operation are on the verge of extinction. Meanwhile other African countries, which are far behind Nigeria in terms of aviation development, have evolved and continued to do better in terms of running a profitable aviation industry.
For instance, checks by our correspondent show that South African Airways has 54 aircraft; Kenya Airways has 36, Rwand Air 12 and Ethiopia adjudged the number one in Africa has 92 aircraft. Legacy airlines like the British Airways, Delta Airlines, Emirates and other European carriers have more than 200 aircraft each in their fleet.

Bla bla bla -- I am not wasting time - but just helping you realize you're NOTHING in Africa leave alone the world. Nigeria is only a giant in fake GDP. That is all.

shervydman:
Everytime u're beaten to pulp like "adire", u resort to ur usual I google this, I google that. without proper education to assimilate ur findings. Well, it confirms that ur IQ is Google-powered, n d moment u switch ur tab away from Google, u become our renowned-vacuous-person of 2017, ur still holding d title.

What's even ur obsession with Nigeria to d point of wasting ur irredeemable resources (time)googling whatever u lost. Ever since u started roaming this thread, have u seen a Nigerian search anything about Kenya?

Just did a quick google search of cheapest prices from Abuja to Lagos and the top results was 300 dollars - yeah I have seen AirArik does have some great offers - about 45-50 dollars one way - that is not as bad as I thought. I hope AirArik is not some rickety airline though. There are airlines in Kenya that carry khat to Somali - and let hope AirArik is not those ones.

Obi1kenobi:
$30 by current Nigerian exchange is over N10,800. Average Economy class ticket from Abuja to Lagos is about N25,000. So. I'm not sure where you got your 10 times figure from. And a quick perusal of Jambojet's website indicates a one-way flight between Nairobi and Mombasa which is a shorter distance goes for between $62 to $91 except you book over 2 weeks in advance where it drops to about $42, and below $30 if you book like 3 weeks in advance: https://booking.jambojet.com/Search.aspx Basically, your cheap Jambojet costs as much or more than the average flight here in Nigeria if you're booking within 2 weeks of the flight. But regardless of which is more expensive, we're certainly not paying 10 times more for flights.

In terms of sports - I think kenya perform better than Nigeria in - Althetics, Rugby, Cricket, Volleyball,Swimming,Motor sports, Shooting/Archery, Golf,Cycling...etc

Kenya conquers the world - where Nigeria would be happy to be African champions

Chris Froome - was born and brought up in kenya - and raced for kenya before deciding to race for Britain.
https://nairobiwire.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/fro.jpg
https://nairobiwire.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/froome1.jpg
Jason Dunford - reached finals at Olympics, World Championships and Short Course World Championships. He also held African, Universiade and Olympic records.
[img]https://alusainc.files./2010/05/jason-dunford.jpg[/img]
Julius Yego - Javelin Olympic record holder who throw 92m
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/ea/Julius_Yego_Beijing_2015.jpg
Kenya Rugby 7s is undoubtedly one of best team in the world.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/dam/rugby-sevens/2016/04/17/95694275_Rugby_Union_-_HSBC_Singapore_Sevens_-_HSBC_Sevens_World_Series_-_National_Stadium_Singapore_trans_NvBQzQNjv4Bq0quQUhCPHdUHY_XWT5Ck771GAkljK7RmFE9TOMhdS_o.jpg?imwidth=1400
Kenya cricket - reached world semi-finals against the likes of India & Pakistani
https://st3.cricketcountry.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/kenyagi.jpg
Kenya volleyball - women has been Africa best team for long time and has played in world cup
https://www.nation.co.ke/image/view/-/2847396/highRes/1103139/-/maxw/600/-/k80vj4/-/ATUKA_PIX.jpg
WRC - Safari rally - for a long time was held in Kenya but there still a vibrant motor sport in Kenya
https://www.ebru.co.ke/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/saf.jpg
https://www.standardmedia.co.ke/images/thursday/jezyhjupwv5jmbsxkvez58caeafa60dec.jpg
Golf - Kenya open - European-based Challenge Tour event - with price money of 100K USD- and has been won by some top world golfers
https://www.kbc.co.ke/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/golf.jpg
Kenya shooting and archery - compete in world events
https://www.the-star.co.ke/sites/default/files/styles/new_full_content/public/1739747.jpg?itok=4u_qzslJ

Nigeria with their measly U$36B (everything included) budget cannot dream of doing that. Kenya welfare is at it infancy but Nigeria are yet to even start. Next big time is the Universal Health Insurance - already I think about 9M household are covered - about 2m plus in formal sector and another from informal sector - now the race is to cover everyone - Uhuru recently announced all high schools kids will be covered.

kikuyu1:
Thank you for this extremely significant factoid! How many countries at our level even attempted such a social undertaking? Tbh if Naijjans weren't such haters they'd bow down with R-E-S-P-E-C-T!

They should focus on first getting some domestic airline. You know JamboJet allows one to fly to any destination in kenya for 30dollars or less. Flying from Lagos to Abuja will cost you 10 times that. And JamboJet 3yrs later has flow 2M passengers. And now you can fly to Uganda for 110-150 dollars! As for next few months - they are offering 22 dollar flights to anyway in kenya and 77 dollars to Entebbe, Uganda.

https://cdn.jetphotos.com/full/6/29320_1495298736.jpg
https://businesstoday.co.ke/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/jambojet.jpg

kikuyu1:
You're hurting Naijjans! You do know they haven't had a national carrier since.......Idk when,someone help me out. I know a neighbours dad who once travelled on Naij air in the late 80s and publicly swore he'd rather go via country bus!

Kenya can also teach Nigeria about Welfare. Kenya National Safety Program transfer money via M-PESA to more than 1M kenyans every month through four Cash Transfer programmes including,
1) Persons With Severe Disabilities Cash Transfer - anyone with disability is paid monthly
2) Older Persons Cash Transfer - anybody above 70yrs in kenya gets monthly cash transfer,
3) Cash Transfer for Orphans and Vulnerable Children Cash(CT- OVC)
4) The Hunger Safety Net Cash Transfer.

This program started in 2013 and Kenya Gov allocated about 300M usd every year with donors also contributing.

Prior to this Only South Africa and Namibia in Africa had something similar through the SOCIAL PENSION. Namibia pays anybody above 60 yrs about N160 every month.

All these beneficiary will also be enrolled in National Health Insurance - something that has been existence for long time (nigeria started their recently) and we are set for universal health insurance coverage!

ohoo boy!!! - just using wikipedia as comparison - Nigeria malls are countable in one hand no pun intended. Lagos the mega slum city has 13 malls!!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_shopping_malls_in_Nigeria
While kenya has tonnes of them - Nairobi and it's metro are going to 60-70 malls - including some huge ones like Two Rivers - which should be second biggest after Joburg's the Mall of Africa.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_shopping_malls_in_Kenya

This picture does injustice to Westgate - I was there recently - and it got even more beautiful

frer8:
Malls In Kenya

The Westgate Mall

Kenya has 5 cities..Nairobi, Mombasa, Kisumu,Nakuru and Eldoret...and lot more nicer smaller towns than Nigeria. Nairobi is not a small city by any imagination and so is Mombasa [5 skyscrappers if I am not wrong]. Mombasa like Lagos sits on the ocean but of course is 10 times better than Lagos. If you think Nairobi is nicer - wait until you visit Mombasa. Nairobi is center of business - while Mombasa is the tourist & port city.
https://www.kenyatraveltips.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/cities-in-kenya.jpg
https://www.standardmedia.co.ke/images/wednesday/thumb_jotfqly8chax3fm0o5a7b477e2c29e.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CZM1bGLW0AApwgE.jpg
https://a630bbb17ae9d1222021-2afb368a5169e2c14e6c1f3083d913b8.ssl.cf3.rackcdn.com/2013/07/Image1.jpg
https://www.travelmombasa.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/City-view.jpg
https://i0.wp.com/www.travelmombasa.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/mombasa-beach.jpg?w=1024
https://www.travelmombasa.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/nyali-bridge4.jpg

samsobo24:
shut your dirty trap for labelling Nigeria " cursed" and go and eat your only Nairobi CBD that gladdens your heart like you won a lotto.

You will soon be bursted one of these few days by aggressive Nairaland e- warriors

I keep asking myself,this lingering question that how is Kenya relevant to Nigeria.

Let's even use the two cities, can that tiny capital of yours come close to Lagos. I there not measure that your capital with Lagos because the only thing that makes the whole of Kenya glorified comes from that CBD.

On the completion of the transport projects in Oshodi,I will now compare that thing of yours you call city with Oshodi.What has happened to the remaining Larger percentage of Nairobi.

Let your leaders be deceiving you by wasting money in one part,when the other places of your country rots in mayhem.

Even at the kind of Landmass and huge population Lagos has,its still tries to manage it

L A G O S the big brother of Africa.I don't get surprised at Lagos when I see all round massive development going on,i dont get baffled because its Economy is only surpassed by just SA,Egypt .

I would like to start comparing Lagos with Other top cities of the World and not J' Borg in the next 5 yrs.
Quote me any where anytime, by the time Lagos power project finishes,its Economy will tripple.

Has any body heard of the royal Family building a mega smart city.YES the Imperial international city been built for the purpose of business and nothing more

The infrastructure of this city interests Me like the EAC


https://www.vanguardngr.com/2017/09/work-commences-imperial-international-business-city-investors-get-assurance/

All these project will totally shut the enemy's mouth completely. Just watch out for the city called LA G O S

Of course. But Andela now is HQed at NewYork - and it's Nairobi office is gonna be eating Lagos lunch. It doesn't matter the nationality of the co-founder - if Andela cannot find top talent in Lagos - they will go elsewhere - like Nairobi and Kampala.

darfay:
Hope you know that Andela you keep shouting upandan was con-founded by A NIGERIAN

Admittedly Nigeria has woken up from slumber the last 2 yrs - 2016 and 2017 - in Tech scene - but can they sustain it. Joburg and Nairobi have pretty much been the scene of action before then. I see you've increase the tech hubs from 20 to 50s in Lagos - while Nairobi is stuck at 30. Not bad. At least that is positive news.

nwoke37:
Nigeria got the largest investment and grants in the tech sector in 2016..


https://guardian.ng/technology/lagos-to-overtake-nairobi-as-africas-start-up-capital/

https://i2.wp.com/www.africanbusinesscentral.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/Nigeria-attracts-more-startup-funding-than-anywhere-else-in-Africa.png

https://i1.wp.com/www.africanbusinesscentral.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/Lagos-is-Africas-most-valuable-startup-ecosystem.png

Kenya does have better broadband than Nigeria. Nigeria needs to better in the broadband sector and electricity. Despite these challenges, Nigeria's tech sector is booming. That's what I was saying about the resilience and optimism of Nigerians. NOw imagine if we had better broadband and electricity...

If you don't care about comparing Kenya and Nigeria - skip this thread oga! Obviously I am hoping you can learn from Kenya and we can learn from Nigeria. Unfortunately there is very very little for us to learn from you. Unless we were to learn bad manners. I think what Dangote has done on Cement Industry is commendable. I salute him. I think what Nigeria has done in film & music is also commendable. I am struggling elsewhere though...initially I was impressed by your banks...but the more I have dug into this...I have realized our banks are just eating your lunch now or soon.

So in short - indeed - this is more of us giving your lessons - of how to ran a country without OIL - Angola or Middle east or Norway can teach you how to do it with OIL.

Why is Nigeria so cursed? Is it the curse of OIL? the dutch disease? I am intrigued.

samsobo24:
Rvp2017,Kenya is the best in the world.In terms of

Technology and Science
Banking and services
Agriculture
Sports
Entertainment
Economy
Tourism
infrastructure wait,how is your country relevant to Nigeria self,no country in Africa is relevant to us except the white European-African country south Africa.

Talk of Entertainment, we have the 2nd best Entertainment industry in Africa.

Talk of Tech and science, we have our own Zinox,one of the largest producer of ICT gadgets, if not the largest indigenous company, we have konga,jumia,Iroko TV( largest online video streamer ),we have our own startups,we have our own mobile money platforms, our own TV stations ruling africa eg sound city,hip TV,channels TV,tvc news,African movie Network, etc,consolidated media etc

Banking sector, very obvious

We have our manufacturing sector, one of the largest on the continent even without electricity

Nigerian students are well known around the world

We aren't receiving any kind of aid from your country.


Pls oga rvp, delete from this forum jare,your country no even common for we side

The average man on the street of Nigeria only knows SA,Egypt,Ghana,Togo and not even kenya



"Pls sir,have you heard of Kenya in Africa"