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Very nice - for Lagos - but zoom out a little bit.

samsobo24:
Think before typing rubbish,[b][/b]

Make my day - and get one picture of Lagos - that I can use as postcard. You slum metropolis don't impress me. I don't know about walker dude but I was here and then you had really bad pictures..now I see you can at least afford a decent camera - but take pictures of lagos - as shitty as it is.

Your city is damn . shiet all your musicians ran to South Africa or Dubai to shoot music videos.

obaaderemi:
We have gone beyond that point since 2016 when forgiveness beat your brother kiberawalker hands down. One of your brothers then suggested we wait and see what it would be like in the next 10 yrs. Nobody here is ready to rehash that episode with you. You may go back a few hundred pages if it interests you so much.

Angola has less oil - but they can teach you alot - how to transform dirty crude oil to modern cities. Luanda is slowly emerging as the Rio of Africa.
https://cdn.thecrazytourist.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/Saint-Michael-Fortress.jpg

Okay - let me help you again - so you can finally understand your slum metropolis don't impress anybody
1. Cairo ----------------------------69------Egypt
2. Johannesburg incl. Sandton---66------South Africa
--Johannesburg-------------------59------South Africa
3. Durban incl. Umhlanga--------61------South Africa
--Durban--------------------------53------South Africa
4. Luanda--------------------------52------Angola
5. Nairobi--------------------------44------Kenya
6. Lagos incl. EAC-----------------36------Nigeria
7. Cape Town----------------------33------South Africa
8. Dar es Salaam------------------33------Tanzania
9. Oran-----------------------------31------Algeria
10. Pretoria------------------------24------South Africa
11. Algiers-------------------------22------Algeria
12. Abidjan------------------------15------Cote d'Ivoire
13. Maputo------------------------14------Mozambique
14. Kinshasa----------------------11-------D.R. Congo
15. Alexandria---------------------8-------Egypt
--Eko Atlantic--------------------8-------Nigeria
--Umhlanga-----------------------8------South Africa
16.Harare-------------------------7------Zimbabwe https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...gs_in_Zimbabwe
16. Abuja--------------------------7------Nigeria
16. Addis Ababa-------------------7------Ethiopia
16. Casablanca--------------------7------Morocco
--Sandton-------------------------7------South Africa
17. Khartoum----------------------6------Sudan
18. Kampala-----------------------5------Uganda
19. Tripoli--------------------------4------Libya
20. Mombasa--------------------4------Kenya
21.Brazzaville----------------------3------Congo (Twins towers Mpila and Napemda tower)
21. Port Elizabeth-----------------3------South Africa
22. Eldoret ---------------------------1--------Kenya

We did this some few days ago - Joburg, Cairo,Capetown, Luanda, Nairobi, Lagos+Eko City. Just visit Luanda the rio of Africa - just like Nairobi is the London of Africa - and see how you guys are totally super bigly screwed.

Daejoyoung:
Ok now l get, you are an old moniker probably Nairobi walker or Kenyatta.

Are we going to again do the number of Skyscrapper in Africa cities. Both Nairobi and Luanda beat Lagos. Let not repeat this. Be ashamed that you've wasted all your OIL.

It been what - 3 days - since we posted the number of skycrappers - Luanda has surpassed Nairobi - LAGOS metroslum including Eko City has 10 skycrapper to catch up with Nairobi - which is impossible because Nairobi is just about started.

Luanda baby - as you dream about Eko City - one building a decade - these africans are making us proud. But Naija like their cousin the African americans are just the scum of earth - totally cursed.
https://www.orangesmile.com/common/img_cities_original/luanda-nobo26-7.jpg

Dude thanks goodness for pictures. Luanda is I admit now better than Nairobi. Thank goodness they speak portuguese - so we are just hanging in there as the 3r or 4th - definitely after Cairo and Joburg. The slum metropolis of LAGOS and KINSHASA don't count.
https://static.brusselsairlines.com/_img/destinationPage2/Africa/Angola/Luanda-city.jpg

See what OIL has done to Luanda...just imagine what it could have done to Nigeria..if you were not the scum of the earth?

More picture of Luanda - YOU CANNOT FAKE THESE THINGS.
https://dailypost.ng/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/Luanda.jpg
https://magazine.luxevile.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/destaque2-750x410.jpg

obaaderemi:
He's lying. Always take what RSVP says with a pinch of salt. Luanda as at today has only 4 skyscrapers above 100m. Eko Atlantic alone has more than that.

Luanda, Angola
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1
IMOB Business Tower
2018
145 m
2
Edificio Kilamba
2017
107 m
3
Intercontinental Hotel & Casino
2014
104 m
4
ESCOM Building
2009
102 m
5
Edificio Sonangol
2007
95 m
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Dream on. Visit Angola's Luanda if you don't like Nairobi and see what 10yrs of Oil can do - then go back to Nigeria and ask where 50yrs of Oil has gone. Don't even delude yourself about Cairo or Joburg.Luanda in 10yrs has 50 sky-scrappers(100M talk building) completed - about twice what you got in 50yrs. Always remember Nairobi is way nicer than Lagos can dream about.
https://farm1.staticflickr.com/822/39393570930_9bc9216da2_o.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DSeWLIlWAAEBcpl.jpg

Then wait for Dangote to do everything that your gov has been unable to do 60yrs since independence.

Danielnino00:
Baba,forget am jare .. Lagos and their Nairobi no be mate... And it's not just infrastructure alone... Lagos's pedigree on the continent as an economy powerhouse is rivaled only by Johannesburg and Cairo...


when the following ongoing projects are completed and fully functioning,it might even overtake the duo..
1) Dangote refinery
2) Lekki deep seaport project
3) Badagry deep seaport project
4) Lekki free trade zone
5) Eko Atlantic
6) The ongoing reconstruction of the Lagos transport system which include building of new bus terminals and parks,Proposed Lekki airport and the Lagos light rail.....

Today Kenya picked four pilot counties where Universal Health Insurance will be rolled out. If we manage to pull out this universal health insurance coverage - that is huge investment in public health that will quickly pay off- and will lift at least 2% of people out of poverty every year - these are households that get driven to poverty due to spending on health every year.

frer8:
https://www.standardmedia.co.ke/health/article/2001275803/nhif-health-insurance-for-3-million-secondary-school-students-ready

We are putting on measures on health insurance where we haven't been doing well.The 40 million dollar insurance cover for the 3 million students in public secondary schools is a commendable move!

https://www.nation.co.ke/news/Uhuru-launches-students-Sh4bn-free-medical-cover/1056-4392360-133isff/index.html

The entire country faith and hopes lies in one man. DANGOTE.

nwoke37:
If you go back on this thread, you’ll see that Dangote is investing about 14 billion dollars building oil refinery of 650,000 bpd biggest in Africa and the biggest single line refinery in the world. It’ll take Nigeria from an importer to exporter of refined oil. He’s also building the biggest petrochemical industries in the world where it’ll be producing fertilizers and proponents of plastic(which will also be exported). He’s also building a 12,000 mw capacity gas pipeline. It’ll all be ready by 2019/2020. The plan is that in a few years time, Nigeria will become the petrochemical hub in Africa..

Yea the Nigerian economy is set to undertake rapid diversification and change in the next few years. Recently we’ve been receiving large investments in agriculture. Our agricultural sector is mechanizing and modernizing. We’re set to undertake an agricultural revolution.

Can’t wait for Nigeria’s industrial revolution that will come with the several free trade zones and deep seaports planned!! :

You have OIL - the raw material for plastic - and stuff like bitumen - you have nearly 3% of global OIL - so dude you've FAILED FAILED AND FAILED to use OIL. Kenya with zero oil export petrochemical products.

Your OIL industry has ZERO VALUE chain. Shell come and extract crude oil - pump it - to US - and you import refined oil (more expensive). I mean is there any country in the entire universe worse than you guys!!!!!!!!!!!! You are in zero sum game - you import about 270 barrels of refined oil daily ---that is a lot of dollars!!! - that you can easily save.

Kenya a country without any mineral of serious value import about 90-100K barrels daily (1/3 of Naija) but we have never had fuel shortage or had to queue to buy oil. Nor do our gov SUBSIDIZE our petrol.

nwoke37:
That’s been there for a longggg time same as cement. We have one of the biggest plastic plant in west Africa

Nobody come here shouting about plastic manufacturing - like it's a big deal.

obaaderemi:
You see why the Nigerian guys here are throwing shades at your educational background. Plastics is a very vital engineering product. You need it in pipes, buildings, cars, electrical and electronic products, heck even in clothing. Why are you limiting it plastic bags?

Yeah I'll concede that - Kenya public health sector had been left to donors for far too long - and now it when gov is massively investing in it. Universal health coverage. Uhuru first trip in his second term was Cuba.We want to learn how the communist poor Cuba has done it - and then try replicate this. Give us 5 yrs and comeback - and you'll see PROGRESS. Unlike Nigeria - we don't bury our head in the sand...we acknowledge we got a problem and we work on it.

But please note - physician density is nothing - when Nigeria has yet to eliminate polio and basic stuff like immunization - we are doing way better in so many other indicators - maternal death, mortality - infant and such.

https://i0.wp.com/www.update.co.ke/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/Uhuru-and-Castro.jpg
http://www.who.int/gho/health_workforce/physicians_density/en/

obaaderemi:
I trust my man Kenyatta to make moves but it's disgraceful for both countries anyway. Source is the much trusted IndexMundi.https://www.indexmundi.com/facts/indicators/SH.MED.PHYS.ZS/map/africa

And that is now arriving in Nigeria and you're very proud of it. Why not try ceramic.

nwoke37:
Plastic chairs,cups and plates

Did you say plastics? Why would you be happy with plastic? When Kenya became amongst the proud countries to have banned plastic bags.

We actually have the world toughest plastic ban - if found with plastic bag - prepare to pay well about 10M Naira or 40K usd.

And here you're happy with more plastic - when will Nigeria ban plastic bags.

nwoke37:
Our bonds are bringing in billions of dollars. We’ve received loans by billions of dollars from China... we still have one of the lowest debt to gdp ratio in Africa.

Nigeria received more fdi than Kenya in 2017 even when we just came out of a recession.
And we have several investors apart from dangote sponsoring the lekki deep sea port, building eko Atlantic, building centenary city, Manufacturing cars, cables, and plastics.
Don’t know where you’re getting these cooked fallacies from

Share the link. And this maybe true - however we are doing something about it - our president just cameback from Cuba and we will be taking 150 cuban doctors - plus massively investing in universal health care - the last few years we bought medical equipments worth 350MUSD from generic electric - ensuring more than 100 hospital have the latest in theatre.

In the meantime I really doubt Nigeria health sector is better than Kenya.

obaaderemi:
The same Kenya that has fewer number of doctors per capita than "terrible" Nigeria. Country
Doctor-patient ratio (per 100,000 people)
Seychelles
151
Tunisia
134
Libya
129
Algeria
113
Mauritius
106
South Africa
77
Egypt
54
Morocco
51
Gabon
49
Sao Tome and Principe
49
Botswana
40
Equatorial Guinea
30
Namibia
30
Gabon
29
Madagascar
29
Nigeria
28
Sudan
22
(Republic of) Congo
20
Cameroon
19
Djibouti
18
Swaziland
16
Zimbabwe
16
Comoros
15
Ghana
15
Kenya
14
Cote d' Ivoire
12
Zambia ...Nigeria is woeful here. Imagine just 28 doctors to 100000 Nigerians! We should cover our faces.But 14 for a developed country like the East Africa power house, Kenya, is inexplicable. And they have fixed their education according to a school of thought.

So because we have 43M mobile internet subscribers who enjoy some of the world best internet speed - we can therefore declare our GDP from telcom sector to be half Nigeria - mms 50B - so ours give and take is 25B dollars worth of GDP from telcom- according to Nigeria' bonobo of Stat (Yemi Kale- Statistician General). I guess if we use the same methodology elsewhere can officially declare our GDP to be 250B dollars!!!!!!!!!!!!!

nwoke37:
Nigeria has about 100 million mobile internet subscribers...

The government didn’t really enforce taxes, they barely cared for taxes because of oil revenue. They’re trying to change that now because oil prices won’t stay high for ever..

Kenya president is better than Nigeria's Buhari - who can barely string a coherent argument . Uhuru Kenyatta is IVY league alumni of Amherst college and Gen Buhari is an army bonobo.

Daejoyoung:
And why is this on a Nigerian forum? what does it have to do with anything?

Maybe 200B max - Unless they counted the kola nuts on every kola tree in Nigeria.
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Nigeria should prepare to send their kids to Utalii college as their local institution continue to collapse - Utalii is a world re-known school for hotel industry - producing some of the best chefs out there - and support Kenya tourism sector!
https://3dwnh01icn0h133s00sokwo1-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/proposed-ronald-ngala-utalii-college.jpg

Thank goodness. Still I see you're issuing 500M euro-bond Why is the giant not borrowing 100B DOLLARS! What happened to the Nigerian ambition?

Obi1kenobi:
You have serious comprehension issues. One of the 36 states in the country and hardly one of the richer ones, were granted a $350m loan by World Bank, but the National Assembly scuppered it. It's not a Federal loan. Seems Kenyan education didn't do much for you.

Agreed - lot more nigerians working and paying taxes - is the way to go! Please do not begging for 350M dollar loan from WB again!

Obi1kenobi:
Guess I have to return to pretending to work. Seems a better use of my time at this point than tackling anything you cook up after your delusions and fabrications are busted.

Actually World Bank has some sense of humour. And your parliament really fell line, hook and sinker. You were looking for what $350MILLION loan. - Why can't mega nigerian banks loan that?

But seriously why would you even talk about 350M dollars in your parliament!

Breaking news! 500B dollar economy denied 350M dollar loan!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! - seriously that is small loan that can be issued to small company! Not even enough to gather for facility fee!

Obi1kenobi:
Just in the last few days, our National Assembly rejected the $350m World Bank granted loan sought by one of the states in the country.

Those are facts. Why would any sane person lend to Nigeria. They will get repaid with what? Kola nuts?
BIG NEWS - Nigeria get 500M EUROBOND - well some crazy folks actually gave you 0.5B dollars! I guess they won't mind a oil field or kola nuts.
https://www.reuters.com/article/nigeria-eurobond/update-2-nigeria-raises-500-mln-via-15-year-eurobond-with-7-5-pct-yield-idUSL5N1H65SR

Obi1kenobi:
I thought you were dealing with "facts" before? Are you now dealing with your feelings? What do the emboldened nonsense above have to do with facts?

Ypu've been climbing up - now position 12-14 if am not wrong - as we climb down down and out - of sending forex to US and educating our own kIds.

Nigeria is the 15th leading place of origin for students coming to the United States. Last year's increase was up nearly 20 percent from the previous year. Nigeria replaced Kenya in 2007-2008 as the only African country in the top 20 places of origin, where it has remained.
https://www.voanews.com/a/nigeria-sends-most-african-students-to-u-s/4009119.htm

Obi1kenobi:
Err...no. Those are not the facts. You assert facts by substantiating them, posting figures and revealing your sources - not making phantom claims that we should accept at face value because you say so.

I bet all that FDI is just to extract more oil. Nothing outside the oil industry. And you know how that story ends.

As for Eurobond - and other loans - why would any sane person lend Nigeria - what will you repay with? You have messily 36B(including state budget) for 200M people.

You can even have GDP to DEBT ratio of 0% - but REVENUES - what will you repay with? Not kola nuts maybe you can give someone an oil field

Kenya this year issued $2B eurobond - and they were offered $14B . I see Nigeria the 500B giant is struggling to issue 1B dollar euro-bond - at best $3B. Like really? Are you guys for real!

Obi1kenobi:
More phantom claims that he can't substantiate. Care to post FDI stats (not the attractiveness index which aren't hard numbers, but the actual quantity of FDI pouring into countries)? According to one of your most prominent news sites, the most recent figures I could see in 2016 had Kenya attracting less than 10% of Nigeria's FDI: https://www.nation.co.ke/business/Kenya-ranked-ninth-among-28-African-states-in-FDI/996-3386816-5k93pvz/index.html
Even the likes of Ethiopia, DR Congo and Zambia vastly outperformed your paradise on earth.

Since the massive recession, Nigeria has held several rounds of Euro bonds that were oversubscribed by over 400% to 800%. Your 8000% claims of your oversubscription are fabricated. The biggest over-subscription figure I've seen from your Euro bonds bids is 600%. Others hovered between 200% and 400%. We have considerable scope to expand our debt level massively if we choose to. Our limitations is a function of our own conservative fiscal policy and has nothing to do with anyone not lending us money. Just in the last few days, our National Assembly rejected the $350m World Bank granted loan sought by one of the states in the country.

FACTS: Nigeria keep sending all the petro-dollars to US/UK/Australia to educate their sons- while Kenya has massively invested in their local universities and every year are sending fewer n fewer student abroad.

Nigeria is the 15th leading place of origin for students coming to the United States. Last year's increase was up nearly 20 percent from the previous year. Nigeria replaced Kenya in 2007-2008 as the only African country in the top 20 places of origin, where it has remained.
https://www.voanews.com/a/nigeria-sends-most-african-students-to-u-s/4009119.html

In the meantime Strathmore University Kenya - student are using elevators
https://eadb.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/starhmore-670x400.jpg
https://www.familyperspective.org/nrbi/A0.jpg

Nigeria is not improving things. Same with South Sudan. Somalia is trying. Ohoo yeah until 2008 - Kenyans send more student to US than Nigeria - those are facts. But we have improved things locally - and parents don't need to send students abroad! And you have seen pictures of the massive investment we have channeled to higher education. Now we have decided enough with universities - and are now investing massively on mid-level colleges - we realized we need technical workers to produce GDP

Obi1kenobi:
Even Somalia or South Sudan are improving things. That's different from coming here claiming you have "fixed" your education sector. And no, you didn't used to send more students to the US than Nigeria. Neither do Kenyans only go to the Ivy league to study. You could do to any low-ranked school in the UK or low-ranked HBCU's in the US and find Kenyans prominent among the student body. Quit your chest-beating delusions.
Your pictures have nothing to do with your earlier claim that you couldn't substantiate claiming more Kenyans are admitted to the Ivy league.

Whack theories...population has to be productive...otherwise if they are like Nigerian...they aint producing no GDP bro!

Daejoyoung:
Again for the last time ( tired of repeating myself). Population is a major ingredient influencing GDP growth( or a factor in a large or small gdp) but GDP by itself is not measured based on population? Do l still need to break this down or do you want to google?

We are making progress forward - unlike Nigeria that is regressing every year - we are moving toward South Africa level.

Since 2008 - we were leading - but we decided not to ship ALL THAT FOREX OUT - but improve our universities and let kid study here - so every yr we are sending less and less kids out- and saving that forex which we invest in our own universities.

2017 - FOREX KAPUT
The International Educational Exchange data released by the Institute of International Education (IIE) shows that there are 11, 710 Nigerian students currently pursuing their educational goals in the United States, an increase of 9.7% over 2016. Kenya ranks second among African countries with a total of 3189 students in the U.S. and Ghana comes in third with 3111 students. Overall, the number of African students in the United States climbed to 37,735, an increase of 6.7% from 2015/2016. Fifty six percent are pursuing undergraduate degrees and 28.7 % are involved in graduate studies.

KENYA led until 2008 - when we woke up and started saving that forex - and investing locally!!!!!!! Wake up Nigeria.

Daejoyoung:
So you have just 60 universities and for that you wouldn't let us be?

Sorry but Kenya has been fixing and improving things. Education - we use to send more student to US and rest than Nigeria (yeah giant of 200m!!) but from 2008 - we started investing massively in our universities...from 7 public universities and 4 private one a decade ag - we now have more than 60 universities!!! And Kenyans are not flying abroad to study - unless it's to IVY league schools.

Enrollment has shot up from 50,000 to nearly 0.5M now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! See the last decade huge investment in Universities here - buying off Nairobi Skyscrappers for town campus - leave alone huge expansive campus where their main campus lies.
Nairobi university - 20 floors
https://dvcaf.uonbi.ac.ke/sites/default/files/centraladmin/dvcaf/UoN%20tower%20and%20fountain%20main%20campus_2.jpg
Moi University Nairobi Campus - that whole building.
https://campusnairobi.mu.ac.ke/images/bazaar.png
Jomo Kenyatta Nairobi campus - that whole building belong to them.
https://content.knightfrank.com/property/kecom025/images/e8660b90-c379-4a39-ae94-bd0a70b03853-0.jpg
Mt Kenya University Nairobi Campus -
https://www.myspotfinder.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/Nairobi-Campus-Mt-Kenya-University.png
KEMU university
https://www.the-star.co.ke/sites/default/files/styles/new_full_content/public/1101538.jpg?itok=SEa3OFwg
Maseno University - Kisumu
[img]https://masenoonlinenoticeboard.files./2013/08/image21.jpg[/img]

And so many skyscrappers in major towns owned by universities.

Private ones
[img]https://masenoonlinenoticeboard.files./2013/08/image21.jpg[/img]
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CcXjCuqWoAAMfER.jpg

Obi1kenobi:
You "really don't have time" to go through stats that support your chest-beating claim that Kenya is "leading in IVY league admissions"? If you had no such time, why make a claim you can't substantiate? Kenya does not need to fix its education? You do know Kenya is a country that ranks 146 on the UN Development Index? Armpits of the earth, Nigeria ranks 152. Congrats for that massive advantage.

Where do you get these delusions from?