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Which super-mega infrastructure are you talking about. I normally visit SkycrapperCity to check out new development - Nigeria & Lagos forum - look like they are building one structure per year in Eko City. Lagos -http://www.skyscrapercity.com/forumdisplay.php?f=2645 or http://www.skyscrapercity.com/forumdisplay.php?f=1481 Nairobi and Kenya on the other hand is on steroids - with 4 cities under development or planned around Nairobi alone - and lots of real sky-scrappers coming up every day. Nairobi -http://www.skyscrapercity.com/forumdisplay.php?f=2635 http://www.skyscrapercity.com/forumdisplay.php?f=2639 samsobo24: |
Cooked fake GDP cannot and will not provide you with regular supply of electricity or water or sewage or even internet. In all aspects Nairobi beat Lagos. The same way Kenya beat Nigeria. Except in "GDP" that simply don't make much senses to me. samsobo24: |
I am not sure there is anything that works - except maybe nollywood? - Nigerians is akin to our African American brothers - totally messed up - nothing seem to work - not even simple power supply! not even basic health? not even fighting boko haram? and yet Nigeria is incredibly blessed with petro-dollars! Jay254: |
The federal states in the giant depend on the federal allocation - so there is the race to inflate population everywhere - Lagos real population is about half what is stated officially - and so like GDP - everything in Nigeria is fake - except the petrodollars that nobody knows where it goes.I mean in Angola - after only 10yrs - you can see the transformation the petro-dollars has done - but not for the giant who count Nollywood moves as GDP ![]() If you check the federal budget - the total allocation to 36 states I think is around N450B - which is mere 150B kshs (1.5B dollars) - I think kenya devolve more than that - about 300B kshs (or 3 b dollars). Nobody pays taxes in Nigeria - so you can imagine what teachers or army people earn?. Nobody pays for electricity or water - so all utilities companies are bankrupt - and country runs on a generator - has no sewer systems or pipe water to speak of - worse than even the poorest countries. A giant mess. kikuyu1: |
I am surprised this thread is still going on.... Here we go 2018 - Kenya National Gov set to unveil 29B dollars budget (2018/2019)..and Nigeria (the African GIANT ) will unveil federal budget of 28B usd. When this thread started the gap was huge......and yet kenya has zero dollars from hydrocarbons. Nigeria is one huge giant mess. That should now be self-evident. 28B federal budget while likes of South Africa's federal gov have more than 100B to spend every year! And the zebras cannot help but marvel as third Nairobi CBD's -upperhill slowly rises....an acre in upper-hill will set you at 10M dollars plus. https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4626/39753851444_053d731165_h.jpg https://scontent-iad3-1.cdninstagram.com/t51.2885-15/e35/18380420_1795638770750148_1098842111094030336_n.jpg And Africa's tallest building is well on it's way. https://farm1.staticflickr.com/894/41136742301_bc88c505b7_o.png |
Budgets for 2017/2018: South Africa: $116 billion Egypt: $45 billion Nigeria: $28 billion Kenya: $26 billion - just mere 2b before kenya budget exceed nigeria. Rwanda: $3 billion Somalia: $275 million |
What recession. You have dummy economy that depend entirely on OIL and swings with oil prices? Kenya has very well diversified economy - why can't Nigeria build an economy that doesn't sway with global oil prices? How can you invest in infrastructure with 20B USD budget is that even enough to pay decent salaries?samsobo24: |
I see. Nairobi budget is around 300m usd - most of Kenya's 47 counties operate on around 100-200M USD budget. And as you well know unlike Nigeria states - our counties have limited functions - they can't even borrow or have deficit budget. The central GOK shares out 35% of collected taxes (about 15B Usd) - so in total counties shares 3-4B usd; so the National Gov of Kenya remain with 22B for paying teachers, army and building roads.Nigeria has federal budget of 20B - with majority being allocation to the states - so at end of the day - the federal GoK of Nigeria is left with very little to do anything serious. As for federal reserves...with all the oil...earning you forex...you 30B usd is a joke. Kenya has no oil...but it boast of 8B forex reserves...enough to cover 4-5 months of imports. Is Nigeria 30B enough to cover imports - considering Nigeria basically import everything. If the answer is yes - why is USD dollar on black market selling for 400 nairas? Why is naira so unstable against foreign currency. KSHS is very stable. obaaderemi: |
It not any different - Kenya has Counties and south Africa has provinces -with their own budgets - but all of them significantly depend on federal or national budget to survive. I know Nigeria system is federal while Kenya is devolved - so only 35% now get remitted to counties while national or federal gov remain with 65%. I wish you could get us state budges minus the federal allocation so we can know just how miniscule this giant is. As for foreign reserves - this is just the money you need to cover your import bill - kenya has 8B foreign reserves - Nigeria with all the oil has 30B usd? obaaderemi: |
Lets take a breather from the insults and once again compare the budgets 2017 - Kenya budget is 26B USD - with about 15B usd collected from taxes and more from appropriation in aid(AID). 2017 - Nigeria budget is 24B USD. 2017 - South Africa budget around 90B USD Based on Nigeria cooked GDP - it's budget should be around 120-150B - mostly collected from the economy. How Nigeria pay teachers, doctors, civil servants,roads, all the gov services and still get some steal is one of world wonders. What is 24BUSD for a country of nearly 200M peeps? Naija need to wake up - next year if this slumber continues their federal budget will be 20B - while Kenya definitely will be 30BUSD. You cannot eat cooked GDP figures. It cannot fill country vaults. It cannot help your treasury. It cannot help you state or federal gok pay for salaries for the army - you know Nigeria Major earn less than Kenyan private! Nigerian teacher probably earn 30-50 dollars a month while kenyan teachers earn 10 times that - 300 -400dollars. |
Good job keeping the Naijas on a tight leash. This debate is not about to end soon - coz these guys don't give up - with or without facts - they'll trudge along posting the same poor quality pictures and doggy website as evidence that Naija is anything but the shit hole and armpit of Africa. kikuyu1: |
And you reckon that other smart taxis don't exist in Kenya or South Africa? samsobo24: |
Uber ranks kenya second to South Africa - Naija is only a giant in their own cooked statistics (GDP figures) - with a minuscule federal budget that equal to kenya. The statistics by the San-Fransisco-based firm show South Africa as Uber’s biggest market in Africa with 969,000 active riders, while Kenya is second. The data, released Thursday, also showed that 5,000 and 12,000 Uber drivers are signed up in Kenya and South Africa, respectively. Kenya remains Uber’s most vibrant market in the region as Uganda and Tanzania have 48,000 and 53,000 active riders, with each country signing-up 1,000 drivers. Ghana and Nigeria have 140,000 and 267,000 active riders respectively. About 7,000 drivers are on Uber platform in Nigeria while Ghana has 3,000. http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/corporate/companies/Uber-ranks-Kenya-second-biggest-market-in-Africa/4003102-4116644-uo5cq1/index.html |
I am suprised this thread is still on and Nigeria are yet to give up - Nigeria despite all that oil - really ought to be ashamed of themselves.Here is another gem in kenya - Great Rift Valley Lodge - in Naivasha https://scontent.fnbo5-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/20414054_10155480823589326_761875852773739745_o.jpg?oh=a56aa2b58ffb9e9b9f08e8867a768416&oe=59EB3147 https://scontent.fnbo5-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/20286883_10155480823379326_8109147043022994745_o.jpg?oh=83eaccddb3758872fb584b3fbfe1be0a&oe=59EE2C04 https://scontent.fnbo5-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/20451731_10155480823469326_8788535489414163262_o.jpg?oh=037098130d3432fafdb5b0654173bb95&oe=5A09AD58 https://scontent.fnbo5-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/20287121_10155480824154326_2705055890661995532_o.jpg?oh=77f2b41b6e91351c56148fbebb48ac2c&oe=59ED60C2 https://scontent.fnbo5-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/20451991_10155480824484326_633021580537163676_o.jpg?oh=cda4b840c30f04779b21bace446ceb30&oe=59F05D18 https://scontent.fnbo5-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/20423886_10155480826644326_491540342250636676_o.jpg?oh=2a799264b79f2f137d7b355c20f0ae86&oe=59EE9E83 https://scontent.fnbo5-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/17620450_10155102975449326_4551615481523473801_o.jpg?oh=38a3f1d8676d3127eb64a65718881756&oe=5A070AD6 https://scontent.fnbo5-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/17493039_10155102981349326_1551032186482597627_o.jpg?oh=4d17cd0c3a724ba810a06203f8d34d97&oe=59F8F412 https://scontent.fnbo5-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/17546884_10155102975344326_2623968934512828140_o.jpg?oh=452ea2418905268b3ed14e05b2b4e28a&oe=59FB0DAA |
Nairobi - The home of International offices - and only UN HQ in entire developed world. Nairobi US embassy - one of Africa's biggest https://cdn.timesofisrael.com/uploads/2013/08/Kenya-US-Embassy-Secu_Horo-e1375731135204.jpg |
Nairobi - Often reffered to as "The green city in the sun" - home to many public parks, gardens forest and well manicured compounds Down Valley Road https://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z263/ngari_2007/untitled4.jpg Nairobi Central Park https://www.felixgottwald.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/FRA-NBO_04.jpg https://www.travelstart.com.ng/blog/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/Uhuru-Park.jpg https://www.bauck.com/wp-content/gallery/nairobi/central-park.jpg https://www.kenyabuzz.com/media/uploads/venues/2471.jpg Nairobi's Arboretum https://www.travelstart.co.ke/blog/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/Nairobi-Arboretum.jpg Nairobi's City Park https://www.jambonairobi.co.ke/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/Walkways-in-City-Park.jpg Garden city entrance https://leonarddesignarchitects.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/Garden-City-Nairobi-Park-and-Food-court-roof-1920x1080.jpg Nairobi's many leafy suburbs https://www.travelstart.co.ke/blog/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/Mutundu-Road-II-Muthaiga-780x520.jpg |
How ancient is that abekuota city or ibandan.Mombasa, Malindi and Lamu have ancient cities that have lasted 10 centuries. old City of Mombasa and Lamu are UNESCO world heritage sites. Mombasa Old town https://l7.alamy.com/zooms/2c9442d5b49540ff8a179cdf0ee59000/mbabak-hinawy-street-old-town-mombasa-kenya-bg278f.jpg [img]http://www.nation.co.ke/image/view/-/2761774/highRes/1043271/-/maxw/600/-/nd3fshz/-/dn+mombasa+1905+b.JPG.jpg[/img] https://www.kenyatraveltips.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/mombasa-old-town.jpg Fort Jesus in Mombasa - was built in 15th century by portuguese - and it look nothing like a slum city of Abekuota From Inside https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/Fort_Jesus.jpg/1280px-Fort_Jesus.jpg https://mw2.google.com/mw-panoramio/photos/medium/6862944.jpg https://www.e-perpustakaan.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/Fort-Jesus-Mombasa-Kenya1.jpg From outside https://spirittourism.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/History-of-Fort-Jesus-in-Mombasa-300x225.jpg https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/41/Fort_Jesus%2C_Mombasa2.JPG/1280px-Fort_Jesus%2C_Mombasa2.JPG https://whc.unesco.org/uploads/thumbs/site_1295_0004-750-0-20110704154422.jpg |
Still obsessed with color? Or the fact that M-kopa is doing great things and has attracted lot of dollar funding - which is fdi. We live in connected world. We encourage that Nigeria to come here and build his solar power tri-cycle. Although we'd have to make sure it not a hoax. M-kopa employees 2,500 people. how is your okada solar panel science congress thing goign ![]() Solincs Kenya - manufactures solar panel https://static1.squarespace.com/static/5641ebcce4b047c0f3f89177/t/564318ade4b081513da840fa/1447407786916/Solinc-66.jpg?format=2500w https://static1.squarespace.com/static/5641ebcce4b047c0f3f89177/56431c07e4b0b66656bf878c/56431c17e4b0b66656bf87c5/1447238710195/Solinc-33.jpg 68816419: |
Theoritically you have 4000mw. But in reality we count power consumption based on how many hours those power station generate power. A power station can be idle like in nigeria - although it has capacity to produce 1,000mw. It could be working for 3 or 4 hrs per day. It could even be off for months - coz of disrepair or lack of spares. Nigeria generates & consume 3 gigawatts of hour of electricity per annum. Kenya generates & consume 10 gigawatts per hour. So Nigeria right now is using about 600mw of it's power on full capacity. Get it or your education system is totally as dysfunctional as nigeria turbines - which aren't turning. The solution is not to increase total capacity from 4000mw to 12,000mw like Nigeria is trying. It to make sure the 4,000mw are running first. You should be able to milk 20 gigawatts of hours (at kenya rate - although we still have about 10-15% systemic losses). Fix that by first ensuring your power companies are not bankrupt, people pay their bills, no meter tampering and then those turbines can start turning at full capacity. You cannot fix that by building 10,000 mega power plant that will soon not turn coz nobody paid their bill. Power stations have running costs. darknetcom: |
2000mw is enough to power the whole of Nigeria households; Most households in kenya with really nice weather require power for only 2hrs - btw 7-9pm - for lighting and TV. A fridge running the whole day doesn't cost consume lots of power. Kenya power consumption has been grown at about 10% annually (with supply now outpacing demand) - and so by 2020mw - with universal access - we can do it 5,000mw. We expect to have 15,000mw in 2030. This in line with growing economy and kenyans becoming richer - meaning they can afford more household appliances that consume power. Countries like South Africa or Argentina need 40,000 mw to help them mine gold, diamond and such heavy industries. Our only heavy industries is cement - about 6,000 metric tonnes (compared to nigeria's 18,000 metric tonnes) - otherwise you don't need all that power unless you're blasting rocks to milk gold. Light industries like textile/apparels/fast moving goods -packaging of food / do not require a lot electricity. 68816419: |
Kenya solar power - I think highest installation (mws) & per capita in Africa (same with Nigeria buying millions of generators annually ). Kenyans who are off-grid (soon to be a thing of the past) buy solar panels instead of noisy smoky generatorsM-KOPA solar - with 300,000 customers in Kenya (thousands more in East Africa) - gives you free solar kit - that you pay 50shs per day (0.5 cent usd) for 2yrs. They give poor folks enough power for their phones, lighting and even TV. No noise. No petrol. And you pay slowly for it. https://www.m-kopa.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/MKOPAIII_Sep14_026-e-01-1.jpg https://www.m-kopa.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/MkopaIII_Aug14_469.jpg https://assets.inhabitat.com/wp-content/blogs.dir/1/files/2016/08/M-KOPA-solar-powered-TV-1-1580x549.jpg https://assets.inhabitat.com/wp-content/blogs.dir/1/files/2016/08/M-KOPA-solar-powered-tv-Kenya.jpg M-Kopa is example of many innovative companies running on m-pesa and ict. M-kopa call center. https://www.m-kopa.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/Call-Centre7jpg.jpg https://www.m-kopa.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/m-kopa-launches-solar-powered-tv.jpg Solar Panel manufacturing in Naivasha Kenya https://www.howwemadeitinafrica.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/Solinc-600x300.jpg |
you're a conspiracy cartoon. It has nothing to do with white people but under investment in the power sector. Invest top oil dollar on building power infrastructure. I bet your road network is similarly kaput despite the figures being thrown around. I have seen naija movies and the roads....are non-existent. darknetcom: |
Kenya can tell you that is boneheaded idea that won't work. Farming or agriculture is nothing novel. It been modernize for 500 years plus now. All you need is to copy the best - like kenya in some areas - and you'll be off to good start. No need for pain. Produce cheaper rice, wheat and anything - by employing well known modern farming methods. Subsidize farm inputs. Apply fertilizers for a start. You've got oil - one of ingredient and up north is Morroco with lots of phosphorous. darknetcom: |
After connecting them with electricity - their quality of life is way better than middle class family in Nigeria burning a generator. That ubiquitious noise in Lagos is that of generators. That is not way to live. Inside those slums .. people live better lives than typical nigerian without electricity. No generator noise or smoke. https://www.bbc.co.uk/staticarchive/cff8a3be4e8e2f48f463a7a6bd302d3ba3f144f1.jpg [img]http://cdn.c.photoshelter.com/img-get2/I0000.N_jPEwTChY/fit=1000x750/kibera-mcpherson-story03.jpg[/img] https://www.seattleglobalist.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/Kibera_Part2_04.jpg And kenya slums are being upgraded. [img]http://www.nation.co.ke/image/view/-/2764290/highRes/1045197/-/maxw/600/-/u7cg0p/-/slum+px.jpg[/img] https://i2.wp.com/buildesign.co.ke/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/The-numbers-of-cars-parked-in-these-houses-bring-to-queation-the-effectiveness-of-the-slum-upgrade-Who-benefits-from-these-house-allocations.jpg 68816419: |
Kenya bold universal electricity coverage vision - made this China company start manufacturing transformers in Nairobi https://www.mygov.go.ke/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/Chinese-factory.jpg https://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2016-10/06/135734020_14757400758511n.jpg https://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2016-10/06/135734020_14757400758971n.jpg https://gsoftsystems.co.ke/avery/index.php/division/tcl-sub/Transformers.jpg |
kenya Last Mile electricity connectivity. As Nigeria struggle with generators noise; kenya is racing to ensure everyone (even those in slums and villages) have 24-7 electricity by 2020. 10 yrs ago - only 12% of Kenyans had electricity - now that figure has move to nearly 70% of all household, all 25,000 primary schools and 10,000 secondary schools connected, all markets and public places have 24-7s. Kenya will have universal electricity coverage soon - a first in Africa. South Africa has 80% electricity coverage. 24-7 supply of electricity whether you live in tin house or grass thacted mud house or mansion. You're connected for free and you pay for installation (150usd) over many years. You pay using pre-paid meters. No bill. No debt for power company. You just buy electricity like you buy airtime. Kenya's Deputy President and Kenya Power Md lighting old woman hut. https://kplc.co.ke/img/big/aUTeUFqspfOR_IMG_5260sss.jpg https://kenyanewsagency.go.ke/en/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/Rural1-ELECTRIFICATION.jpg https://zipo.co.ke/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/william-ruto_hut1.jpg https://www.worldbank.org/content/dam/Worldbank/Topics/Energy%20and%20Extract/Kenya_electrification_Mits%20Motohashi%20780x439.jpg https://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/files/2015/07/grid.kenya_-1024x624.jpg https://practicalaction.org/blog/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/Handwashing-Nakuru-2.jpg |
Fact is your import food worth 6.5B usd. That for a third world country is something you shouldn't be doing and it seem you let oil kill everything including crucial food production. Nigeria unlike Kenya or Ethiopia doesn't sit in water scarce enviroment - you have niger & all those rivers providing all the water you need to produce excess food. Import electronics and machinery - but you cannot be giant who use oil money to buy food. you're a one giant mess. You won't be in a recession if you economy was diversified. It still dependant on OIL. Anything that gov stats body concoct is lie. If oil prices goes on a free fall; you economy similar does the same. Kenya economy is small but well diversified and sophisticated. As for ict and industralization beating kenya - I don't know what measures you're using. That certainly is not true. Kenya beat south africa in internet connectivity...leave alone Nigeria. In COMESA region - we are second biggest exporter of manufactured goods -after Egypt- (of some many varities) -beating the combined EU- COMESA is 19 countries union. obaaderemi: |
Giant that cannot feed itself. All Nigeria food they produce is not enough to feed their 180M mouths. Kenya has very little food deficit and export a lot of agriclutures produces. Nigeria is net food importer. Nigeria Sugar production - of 60,000 tonnes against consumption demand of 1.7M tonnes ..btw that is really small sugar consumption for 180m people - making your economic stats really fake - Sugar and Cement are some key important pseudo-data for measuring economy) Kenya produces 600,000 tonnes of sugar against consumption of 800,000 tonnes. In any food crop - kenya has either excess or small short fall. Nigeria spend most of the oil money importing food including tomato paste (tomato sauce?). Nigeria spend 3 trillion naira ($6.5 billion) importing food. That is a big gigantic failure. 68816419: |
The data I seen is 60,000 metric tonnes of wheat for Nigeria. Kenya produces 3.5m metric tonnes of Maize. Kenya is putting 1 million acres of land under irrigation. Galana-Kulalu irrigation farm. https://www.nib.or.ke/images/galana-bumper-harvest.JPG https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CnO_Z2LWcAAAvJo.jpg iblawi: |
Kenya rice production has risen 7 times in few yrs to 150,000 metric tonnes. But certainly Nigeria rice farming is bigger than kenya. iblawi: |
Kenya - wheat production (450K MT versus Naija's 60) Wheat farm with Mt Kenya in the background. https://farm4.static.flickr.com/3339/3667333091_9dafb5d13c_b.jpg Narok,Laikipia,Nakuru and Uasin Gishu counties are some of kenya biggest wheat farms. Narok County https://venasnews.co.ke/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/narok-town.jpg Laikipia County- wheat farms next to greenhouses https://www.thepaintboxgarden.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/Laikipia-Greenhouses.jpg https://www.mediamaxnetwork.co.ke/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/Wheat-farm.jpg Uasin Gishu County [img]http://2.bp..com/-RsI-VwN6JB4/VVx_aNfXHKI/AAAAAAAAbkU/4JUyKfbViBw/s1600/IMG_1355.JPG[/img] Nakuru County https://farm1.static.flickr.com/25/55536021_7e3b716bf9_o.jpg https://farm1.static.flickr.com/29/55536020_5e436fb174_o.jpg Timau rolling hills of wheat https://c8.alamy.com/comp/BFN0R8/kenyatimau-rolling-wheat-farms-at-timau-8500-feet-above-sea-level-BFN0R8.jpg |
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