₦airaland Forum

I knew the Bonobo was lying as usual.

Wuoche:
Hehehe half of the interchanges are on paper. There is no interchange in Accra known as Mahama interchange, the only interchange in that road is Kwame Nkuruma interchange and you have already mentioned it.

That is his modus operandi. Always looking at the bottom of the barrel to prop the min-Zoo!

Wuoche:
Just imagine the guy is trying to dispute the ministry of roads with a a report done by a first year student. What level of craziness do you think this guy possess.

Nairobi latest drone 4k - massive construction

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hriDXw4HSc0

Precisely. Such data should be available easily in any functional country.

Wuoche:
I don't deal with reports made by school kids. Here is the real situation in Ghana.

Yes the same way Lagos has the most cars in the world.
Traffic gridlock is sign of inefficiency in your roads.
Nothing to do with cars.

Removing roundabout and replacing them with 100M dollars (CRAZY) interchanges WILL NOT SOLVE the traffic problem.

Use 100M to expand the road first - have service roads - and the work.

What Ghana is doing is crazy putting lipstick on a pig - like that Pokuasi interchange.

Just30:
Accra has traffic because it have more cars than Kenya

George Walker Bush highway has just 3 interchanges on it, that's 3 out of 21.



Again, your country tiny pave road network is too small to compare to that of Ghana.

You guys are barely doing half of Ghana's paved roads network

You have no credibility. I got the interchanges from Wikipedia
Now put the link before we examine this list

Just30:
nice story

Keep pulling figures out of your ass

List of 23 interchanges in Accra


Mahama road Interchange
Giffard road Interchange
Ring Road interchange
Ako Adjei Interchange
Kwame Nkrumah Interchange
Obetsebi-Lamptey interchange
Mallam Interchange
Apenkwa interchange
Dimples Interchange
Tetteh Quarshie Interchange
Legon Interchange
Flo Oyeo rd interchange
Graphic rd interchange
Golf Hills interchange
Atomic Junction interchange
Neoplan Interchange
Mile 7 Interchange
Taifa interchange
Ofankor Barrier interchange
Pokuasi Interchange
Tema Interchange
Ashaiman Interchange
Bortianor Interchange

Ghana got donated by George Bush - a 14km six lane highway - that they named George Walker Bush highway- that has most of the 10 interchanges. Nothing more. Nothing less.

Remove George Walker Bush - and you have tiny roads.

African Traveller says their traffic grindlock 30kms from the central business district - the roads are tiny.

Wuoche:
Pangani was built in 2010, by that time you didn't even have a dual carriage way in your country.

They recently gave up on their ability to fix infrastructure - on their own. They have therefore given chinese minerals in exchange of infrastructure. The first in Africa. They admitted finally that there are BONOBOS.

Wuoche:
Ghana is the country which should pave its roads first. Actually you should be ashamed of yourself, with all the gold, oil and cocoa you could not even manage to build to 12,000km of paved roads. Kenya with tea and flowers has managed to double what Ghana has achieved.

You have 10 interchange in the entire country - compared to kenya with maybe 150. End of debate. It's not even close . It like 15 times more.

Just30:


noise

Your country has no 3 tier interchanges, Accra alone has 4 of them.
Your country has no 4 tier interchange, Accra has 1

So why ask me shackman?

2016 - was already 10k

Its Economic Survey 2016 reported a 6.8% rise in 2015 compared to the previous year in Kenya’s production of cars, trailers and semi-trailers. This includes a 7% rise in the number of motor vehicles assembled there, from 9,514 to 10,181 vehicles ; a 13.2% hike in production of trailers and semi-trailers; and a 1.3% increase in terms of motor vehicle bodies.

AfriqueDuZuid:
Your government says Automative industry output is around 5000 units

On average 15,000 units per year. Mostly trucks - lorries - commercial vehicles - otherwise few people will buy sedan or such. But yes trucks - make business sense - and financing is available.

AfriqueDuZuid:
How many cars does Kenya produce in a year? Less than 2 000 cars right?

He will disappear for sometime before re-emerging with same question. He is really spooked by Kenya progressive match forward.

leQubit:
do i need to add anything...guy shot his foot

Fitch - Ghana is B and Kenya is B+ but the Bonobo will not even now.

leQubit:
Funny we still B+..you an Nigeria B- wonder why... oh an Fitch is pikin na
Anyway bro they begging to give us money..dont know why

List the 20 interchanges in Accra. I have helped you with 10 - including TEMA.
Nairobi expressway will give Nairobi very impressive expressways.

Just30:
3 out of 20 in Accra

Your interchanges are no match as said by your own citizen who has been to both countries.

You should ask South Africa gov the same question.
South Africa total revenues are 90B.
Your budget is now nearly 140B.
Ask your gov where it will get 50B.
While I ask our gov where it will get 10B with revenues of 22B.

AfriqueDuZuid:
LOL you borrow 10b it comes back with interest

To cut this short, did your government say where they will get more than 10b for the budget?

3 out of 10 That is like Nakuru or Kisumu county Nairobi Metro is clocking 100 interchanges.

Nakuru county alone has 4 interchanges - 1) Naivasha 2) Lanet/Nyahuru 3) Njoro and 3) Mau summit

Njoro Interchange

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oT2wEAqNqyU

Just30:
Cause he only showed you 3 of the most impressive, there are many more

Entire Ghana interchanges - 10
Ako Adjei Interchange
Apenkwa Interchange
Asafo Interchange
Asokwa Interchange
Dimples Interchange
Mallam Interchange
Sofoline Interchange
Tetteh Quarshie Interchange
Kwame Nkrumah Interchange
Tema Motorway Interchange
Pokuase Interchange

Wuoche:
But in his video I only saw three interchanges, or which Afrikan Traveller are you talking about? As Accra is only having 3 interchanges, Nairobi has more than 50.

Yes it kind of dumping but without developed domestic car market people prefer reliable japanase models;
Cars are transported on RORO ships - well you can squeeze some in container - but generally RORO - mean nearly all cars pay the same freight.
About 1,000usd from Japan to Mombasa inclusive insurance.

AfriqueDuZuid:
That's what we call dumping, after all Japan has to get rid off its old cars.

Freight per ton? Freight per 3x6,6x6 or what

We borrow 10B and repay 10B dollars.
South Africa have budget deficit of 6.8%
Kenya has budget deficit of 7.1%
That mean kenya and south africa have similar budget deficit.

AfriqueDuZuid:
That's what I'm saying it's either Kenya will tax its citizens in corporates 50% more

Which will kill corporates, and have mass exodus to neighbors Tz, Uganda, Rwanda and ethiopia

Or you will borrow $10b which is not possible

Or government will lie and say its spent $10b more which they don't have

Don't worry. I told you our standards and class is a little too subtle for a bonobo - monkey see monkey do.

Just30:
There is nothing exposing of trowing a party to invite friends over.

The rest is useless noise

That makes us the most credit worthy nation on earth. And we don't have to collaotrize it with minerals and cocoa like Ghana. Who does that...borrow from China and give them farmers COCOA as security. And worse you've given them all your bauxite

Just30:
They will be taking 24 billion dollars in loans to fund it

Shackman - it simply not possible to import a car for anything less than 5K USD. 1K usd alone is frieght from Japan to Mombasa. Minimum taxes for cheapest Suzuki is about 1,500k. Just not possible.I used to sell cars - the cheapest I could import then was 4Kusd. Now Uber and all digital taxis have made these small cars very expensive.

Average used 8yr old imported car in kenya is more than 10K usd now.

AfriqueDuZuid:
An average car price is $10k in kenya which means it can still even get one for $3k

Importing you get that charges everywhere nothing new there

How do you cook budget shackman? You can cook GDP - but budget is MONEY in the BANK almost (it projected money in the bank)

AfriqueDuZuid:
Cooking books?

Its not feasible from financial point of view even economically

Unless you get $10billion loan which is not possible to fund a budget for a country like kenya

Kenya rich are NOT OBOHOS or BONOBOS to go exposing themselves. Big difference. Kenya upper class have a sophisticated taste from West African bonobo who saw money recently.

Vintage cars in kenya have long history - imported in 1940s in kenya - and the works.

You cannot for example import a junk vintage car to kenya - IT NOT ALLOWED - all cars have to be 8yrs OLD (NO EXCEPTIONS). You can do that in Uganda or Tanzania - Not in Kenya.

So the vintage in Kenya are really vintage - passed down in family- and during motorshow - competitors come from south africa, australia and abroad.

Just30:
Noise as usual

Show me the garage of a kenyan with similar collection of vintage that are highly exclusive.

I said average - some of them are more expensive than that. A used Prado will set you for 5M kshs- 50,000usd. Land cruiser it will cost you 70,000usd. Typical Toyota 2.0 engine starts from 20,000usd. SUV - would around 20-30k. German SUV would be 30-40k.

Average - is the standard car or sedan - like Toyota Corrola - 8yr old ex-japan cost more than 10,000K.

But some people import the tiny Uber type cars - that cost average 7-8K usd.

So they are not cheap.

All kenya imported cars have to 1) under 8yrs 2) pass stringent pre-export certification and then 3) you pay 100% taxes - VAT,Excises, import duty.

AfriqueDuZuid:
So Kenyans are sold 8 year old cars at $10 000?

8 year old car, those are Hondas, Toyotas, Mitsubishi, suzukis

How interesting

You can import junk abroad anytime; but real vintage cars like those in Nairobi Concours de' elagance - have long history, verification and all that. None of those would be certified as anything but JUNK.

Just30:
used?

Some of these cars are 1 of only 3 and 1 of only 5 produced

Let me add more


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FXYiU6TVFXA


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bD5x8hz_NKI


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bg0x1_W8gUU

This is just one person's garage and collection

You were really desperate for some validation. Poor African Traveller.

Just30:
the last time we did

You couldn't even stick to the rules.


Anyway go argue with African traveller

All this noise wont change the facts he stated.

It same problem - brain drain - has left the country full of Bonobo. The natural resource curse has also killed other industries.

leQubit:
Ok Kenyans might be corrupt an other nasty stuff but they are smart bunch...problem with Nigeria the smart ones jumped ship and went to develop other countries..For Ghana well i really dont know their freaking problem..Thye got nothing to show only big talk..

Bonobo - we are used to your wild figures!
Ghana bought 4,000 new cars. Kenya did 11K - in 2020.
150K cars - maybe if you include OKADA.

Just30:
fool

About 150 000 cars where registered in Ghana in 2020, 70% where used cars.

45,000 cars imported were brand new cars

The average cost of used car in kenya is more than 10,000 usd. The taxes are not based on CIF value of the japanase car - but depricated value of old car. Taxes generally are more than value of the car.

I see the average new car in South Africa is about 20K usd.

Yes Kenya need to fix that....those 100K cars are jobs exported to Japan....but roads need to really improve before we get new cars..

The poor rural road will reduce the value of new car so people are hesistant to go for loans for new car.

AfriqueDuZuid:
Yes we banned them, even before that ex japanese cars were never a thing in SA, we had motor industries since 1920s

8 year old cars are not expensive even if you tax 100%

So basically it takes 10 years for Kenya to add 1 million old used cars on the road?

As it will take 10 years to add 100 000 New cars to the roads?

Wow how interesting

Kenya has population of 53m and growing

Kenya not only lack minerals - it's semi-arid and arid. These countries have everything imaginable. The amount of arable land is staggering. The minerals too. Nigeria export with great difficulties 2M barrel a day. That is daily 100M dollars...1B dollars in 10 days....40B annually if sold at rock bottom 50 dollars a barrel.

As for Ghana - well that one is hopeless - they export about 8B worth of GOLD - and another 8B show up smuggled from their country

leQubit:
Then there is something wrong with ths two countries..Where is the mineral cash going ? who is pocketing that ? How can Kenya a country lacking minerals beat them..serious questions if i may say

Nigeria will be lucky to present a 25B budget. Last year they did 24B.

Little zoo- Ghana are still at 17B..with 10B revenues (nearly all from minerals)...with debt to GDP - now probably 100%

leQubit:
Treasury to table Kenya’s biggest ever budget at Ksh.3.6T $36b ...anyone want compare