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Stop using Nigerian drugs. Just drink the south africa traditional brew.

AfriqueDuZuid:
nah a peace deal was agreed upon which ukraine signed Russia left Kiev and China, us, australia and others were guarantors for peace.

That was last year April but. You watch too much legacy media like cnn, bbc and the likes that's why you don't know about it

Nigerian is mostly known for criminals, drug dealers and scammers - because for every one doctor you export - your are sending 100 criminals. Kenya we export hardworking proffesionals.

Luzebox:
just criminals and scammers...some of the greatest black minds are still from nigeria...great entertainers - nigeria...sports.. business men.u can't mention all these and not mention nigerians..The nairaland u seem addicted to..owned by a Nigerian..and even criminals..it not easy to defraud a Serie A club
So when u mention criminals and scammers..do well to include the great minds we also have

That could be brilliant strategy. We shall see how it pans out. But why all the drama - Belarus and Russia are one - Wagner could have moved to Belarus without undermining Putin leadership and embarrasing Russian military -a military that is already struggling since summer of last year in Ukrain.

Just40:
50,000 Wagner soldiers just got redeployed to Belarus under the shadows of a rebellion 🤣😂


We will see what the purpose was, maybe to protect new nuclear installations or or protect the Belarusian security structure against planned NATO and CIA activities or gave UKRAINE a western front to defend as we have come to know that Russia withdrew it forces from Kiev as part of a peace deal that guaranteed Ukraine security and neutrality.

Continue with the wishful thinking

Protocol is above your constitutions that recognise ICC and mandate South Africa to arrest him and hand him to Hague? If you're functional democracy committed to rule of law - you can ask Putin to send his deputy.

AfriqueDuZuid:
It's not an invite, it's protol that brics presidents attend the summit

How does this help Putin or Russia either internally or in Ukraine. If Putin is the president - he can fire the military - anytime - and doesnt have to negotiate with Wagner.

Since last year invasion of Ukraine - Putin end is nigh. The nosedive began Feb 2022 with misguided attack of a strong enemy like Ukraine.

EKONGKING:
Its looking more like its staged PSYOP . With Russians you never know what is happening there , Many analysts from western powers dating back from at least 200 years have always failed to understand Russia.

Why would a so called coup leader with 25,000 soldiers go in convoy 600 km and not be challenged except for a couple of helicopters and with expressways cleared of traffic , to enable Wagner to come within 200kms of Moscow and wagner leader all of a sudden , just remembered he is a Russian patriot and turns back .

Remember in Russia as western media used to say, Putin opponents die from windows and Wagner head knows this and still start a coup ,where all Russian security persons allow him and his soldiers a free pass to Moscow . and he still like loyal soldier goes back to his camp about 900 km away from Moscow . Apparently he just realized he is a Russian patriot

Whole thing sounds like B.S and B.S all over .

whether staged or not something huge is going to happen in Ukraine in 1 month.

Either Putin and Wagner boss planned something to overwhelm Ukraine ,so as Ukraine and Western powers focus will be on Russia or Many in Russian security forces and wagner group are frustrated with slow approach of Putin and his military leaders in Ukraine and want to force Putin to act decisively

I expect Wagner Boss to jump out of his apartment or be killed in Ukraine ,if either of 2 above reasons is incorrect .

Sounds like bla bla bla of a bleating goat. The greatest resources we have in kenya is is Kenyans like me - well educated English speaking proffesionals. That is why Kenya is progressively moving forward. Nigeria you will remain backward as your greatest resources are still minerals with zero investment in education, health and other HCI that would boost your human resources. You produces criminals and scammers.

AskiaHarem:
Your delunacy is so pathetic I felt bad after laughing at you. You have nothing to sell in Kenya because you’ve already long sold everything worth a dam for little in return. That’s why it may be complicated for a simpleton such as yourself who’s only known life as a gullible 5th class citizen to no the difference or pick up on the social & economic cues.

Lay off the copium clown that crap ain’t healthy to live on.

My original statement stands.

It will be interesting how this play out - definitely there are now two center of power - will Wagner turn back to Ukraine - or he will remain in military HQ of the South in Rosovo?

Obaaderemi2:
The soft underbelly has been exposed already. No matter how one looks at it, Putin's days as a strongman are over.

Yes Wagner group saying no deal/state has ended - while Progzin - says there is a deal.

GeneralDae:
Conflicting information from everywhere right now depending on your source.

News - Wagner are pulling more and more troops from Ukraine occupied Luhask as we speak - as they are going to become big bosses of Russia. Why fight when you can take over Russia oil fields and minerals.

Just40:
You're a lunatic who needs to be checked into an institution

You're just a waste, fo you even know when they cross over the border that you're calling soon? 😂🤣

A special case indeed

Russia has 24hrs to prevent fellow raving lunatic deranged Yevgeny Prigozhin from running their country. They natured him and his criminals. Now they are taking over - and releasing more prisoners in occupied territory to jointly take over - the vodka drunk Russian army are tired fighting - and just want to go back to drinking vodka.

From frying pan to the fire. That is Russian fate. They will be ruled by someone of your mental calibre.

Just40:
So who is the dictator in Russia?

You're mad

Russia is not a place where you can just get up and be president... A series of young leaders have already been groomed and educated on Russia.
From them the next leaders of Russia will be picked and put before the people to be voted on.

Might not even reach midnight - 300 Kms to Moscow - military switch sides. Putin might be gone before dusk

The Wagner Group has announced that most of the Russian Army units in the Lipetsk region have switched sides and joined the Wagner Group military column heading toward Moscow

You're just mental sick. So in few minutes ago - Wagner have turned around - to return to Ukraine

Just40:
Prigozhin men are already returning back to the battlefield... Wagner does not want to be under the MOD as the new law stipulates and have been against the terms of the new contracts since it was laid before them.

Nobody owns nobody.
Ask all dictators who have been kicked out.
Some even by their own sons.
Kabila of DRC was shot dead at behest of his son.

You think there are no ambitious people in Russia who want to become president - and will wait for 20yrs till Putin dies.

Putin was doing great the first 10-15yrs as Russia economy grew very fast thanks to minerals discovery.

Then sanctions started - economy has been a mess for 15yrs now - it terrible now - and now thousands of soldiers are dying daily.

It over for Putin. Mad cow you'll see tomorrow.

Just40:
You need Swahili then

Putin is highly loved with an approval rating unmatched by any western leader. And the polls were mostly conducted by those who are not Putin supporters.

Putin himself is a direct owner of Wagner, Prigozhin has direct contact with him🤣😂 If you think this is about Putin then you don't know anything.

Yes the military, police, FSB and national guards have been asked to stand down while the leaders resolve it.
The military does not consider Wagner an enemy

Yeah we expect tomorrow for Putin to receive the peace torch from Wagner and their petition to have military commanders fired.

Putin will promise Wagner to look into their complains and address them shortly.

Wagner will retire to their home to take cold shower and enjoy some tea. Then return to Ukraine killing field as they wait for Putin to address their memorandum.

Some mad men.

Just40:
yep

It won't even last next week... In 48 hours, it would have been resolved

Try Twi. Putin is owner of himself.

Dont think Putin is loved. He is feared.

Now that Wagner crossed the rubicon there is no going back. Putin depends on the military.

The military in Rosovo - one of largest - welcomed Wagner - without firing a single shot.

Wagner have breezed through 500kms since midnight.

Now they are just 300kms - apart from few hits here and there - perhaps by few loyalist of Putin obeying his orders - rest of Russian army are backing Wagner.

By midnight - the war will be in Moscow

And then according to mad-man - Wagner will present a memorandum to Putin to fire Shouigu and return

Just40:
Prigozhin is just the face of Wagner
The real owner is a Putin inner circle with Putin himself as one of the heads of it.

Putin will be gone by midnight.
Wagner are breezing through with tacit and complicit support from the Army.
They are now just 300kms from Moscow.

Progzin/ Wagner chief is a front for battle hardened military commanders serving in Ukraine who are tired of dying.

The military having lost 100,000 people in a year must be demoralized and depressed as they face another summer shellshacking by Ukraine backed by NATO.

It's over for Putin. Flights data suggest panic fleeing from Moscow by Russian elites.

By tomorrow morning - we will likely have new regime in Moscow.

Dont bet on that - his mental abilities are severly limited.

Correction - Wagner are not matching - they are having a run.

Since yesternight to this morning - they've covered 500kms.

The Russian army are complicit - and the Prigozin I suspect is just front for huge rebellion of Russian Army commanders.

It appears a few Putin loyalist in Moscow will put some kamikaze defense otherwise there is almost zero resistance and by tomorrow morning the war will be in Moscow.

Obaaderemi2:
Are you aware Putin already addressed Russians on the possibility of a coup taking place and that as
we speak Wagner is marching towards Moscow?

No I think South Africa gov made huge blunder to pander to war criminal Putin and now you've nowhere to run. Maybe China can adopt your country before NATO come for you

Ramaphosa has turned out worse than Zuma.

AfriqueDuZuid:
I think they just pulling wool over our eyes.


I don't really buy their story

The good thing like everything else - including Ghana going broke - you're are going to be proven wrong - this time very very early. Putin biggest career mistake was to attack Ukraine and not finish the job in first few days.

The rest - keep watching news - Putin by tomorrow will looking for asylum otherwise he will end up in ICC to answer for war crimes.

Obviously for a mental deranged fool like you - you'll soon invent more inane theories.

Just40:
You're just gladly stupid...

Shuigo leads the military and Prigozhin has a personal beef with him because of what they allowed to happen to Wagner in Syria and he did it again to them in Bakmut.

Prigozhin wants an audience from the defense ministry and wants a personal meeting with him..
Yes ... Putin is inaccessible to almost everyone but those who must meet him.

If you think Prigozhin has even thought of overthrowing the Russian govt then you're crazy because this is not about that...
It's a power struggle to elevate Prigozhin.

Putin declares war on Wagner. Wagner declares war on him and promise to have new president

https://twitter.com/Gerashchenko_en/status/1672511322083270659?s=20

So who leads RUssia - Shuigo or Putin? Putin is that inaccessible - that Wagner have to drive tanks to wake him up from slumer.

You are board certified mad man.

Putin is not going to survive this. If Wagner will overthrow or co-opt military - the politicians like Putin will be done.

Just40:
It's actually a fine news

With this single act of taking a piss, the Russian military hands that is tied behind it back by Shuigo who is a conservatives will sit up and allow the military to fully do their job. Wagner have been stabbed in the back by this guy for so long a time.

Wagner will get an audience from Putin and they will receive the weapons they need.

Not so fine news coming from your Russian friends

Just40:
Fine views over Accra, this rainy day

You're a sick. Tech industry attracting co-founders from Silicon matched with Kenya co-founders is selling our ancestral land . Go for education outside Nigeria.

What is there in Kenya to be sold?

This is not Nigeria with Oil - and minerals - that you have sold to Shell and others.

We dont have nothing to sell to anybody - you come to kenya and sweat it out.

AskiaHarem:
Most smart countries on earth can secure investment without selling of all there sectors to foreigners. Stop the delunacy.

If you’re tired of facts you ain’t cut out for this world. I couldn’t imagine being so pathetic that you can’t accomplish a thing by yourself and nonchalantly accept being a 5th class citizen in your own ancestral land. Yikes!

You prostituted off your ancestral land for decades for crumbs and still don’t have much to show for it on a good day; and only decline on a bad one. Embarrassing; shameful.

I pray you people can achieve some form of self-respect beyond competing in African Internet forums someday.

This is the mindset your people develop when they live day to day on….

Poor Ghana debt exceed GDP.

As a result, public sector debt went from 62% of GDP in 2020 to more than 100% last year. Debt servicing now takes up about 70% of government revenues.
https://www.cadtm.org/Developing-debt-disaster

Bongolalas are irrelevant. Rwanda and Uganda project more geopolitical power than Bongolala. Tanzania is hopeless country.

Shma2022:
Ok.

1. We're the largest Economy in East Africa. Kenya reps more than 40% of EAC GDP. Yes, Exonomy is not just about GDP, we're ahead in GDP per capita, HDI, GDP PPP... Name them.

2. Geopolitical Climate and diplomatic ties:
The geopolitical climate in Kenya has made Kenya an investment hub in the region, Kenya attracts more foreign investors than every county around. Why do you think Kenya serves as the regional headquarters for international companies? Why are there so many embassies in Kenya? INFLUENCE!

3. Technology.
Why do you think Kenya attracts more tech funding than Tz? Kenya carries 70% of tech hubs in EAC region. Kenya AI readiness is top in the region, Kenya ICT sector is Top by far in the continent. Kenya's Sec intelligence is top in the region. Kenya attacks more tech investors than nay country in the region. Kenya is construction a tech city, check the investors, we have influence that regard!

4. Sports
We've been in IRBC Rugby circuit since 90s... Only SA and Kenya _ have been on that.
We have safari Rally, international event.
I won't mention all. Check the influence of our marathoners in Global Arena; eg kipchoge keino.
Firstest man in Africa is Kenyan.
Grand Slum current junior Champ in Kenya.
We've hosted several international events: RUGBY, TENNIS, ATHLETICS, VOLLEYBALL, HANDBALL, CRICKET, BASKETBALL, name them. Rugby under 20 world Rugby series will be happening next month in Nairobi. Where is Tz?

5. Infrastructure.
Kenya remains EAC most important Business, financial and transportation hub, with 80% of the region's trade flowing through Mombasa.

6.Security.
Lemme preserve my comment on this. Kenya is in the fore-front in Fighting the biggest threat in EAC - Terrorism. (al-Qaeda and Al-shabaab) . Ask your self why Kenya is in the USA rador - in partnership with Kenyan intelligence system in mitigating such threats.


7. .. Ooh, you said 5! My bad.

42 pages showing why United Nations and many companies pick Kenya and Nairobi as their regional and oftentimes Africa HQ.
https://www.skyscrapercity.com/threads/nairobi-africas-new-hq-for-multinational-firms.1559138/page-42

Mzal3ndo:
Okay, let me take a step back for a sec and maybe ask you this. Since you say that Kenya has more influence than Tanzania, what has the Kenyan government done or influenced that has given her an advantage over Tanzania? Meaning that, what has Tanzania and Kenya competed at that Kenya got because of her influence and English? Ukitaja vitano nakaa palee, niite mbwa......

When you promote local economy. 12,000 dairy farmers. Kenya has africa largest dairy market.

Over 12,000 dairy farmers from the Meru Central Dairy Co-operative Union Limited gathered at Meru Ask show for their 8th Annual AGM attended by President William Ruto

Azimio Muhajidina will say they were ferried.

Over 12,000 dairy farmers from the Meru Central Dairy Co-operative Union Limited gathered at Meru Ask show for their 8th Annual AGM attended by President William Ruto pic.twitter.com/FrLsWQnVTk

— Chief Whip (@MurimaChiefWhip) June 17, 2023

Dont be funny. Kiswahili is as kenyan as TZ.
Heck Kiswahili is bantu language that is spoken by almost half of sub-sahara Africa.

And yes Sub-Sahara africa should adopt Kiswahili as it's language

Kazikazi:
Then there is the issue of a language...

Yes,a language is a powerful tool which many superpowers have used to insert their influence around the globe for ages and ages
That's what UK and U.S. did,and its the same thing China is busy doing for her own benefits( security and economic benefits). Through these languages, the superpowers have managed to get sympathizers, planting spies in different parts of the globe,they have placed their ideologies in the minds of those folks who addapted the language,and as their influence gets bigger,their economic advantages rises too.

That's is what United republic is busy doing...
Spreading Swahili language all over the world. This is one of the characteristics of a superpower. All superpowers have their own language,and they use the language to influence other nations.
When we talk about influence around Africa,you have to use TZ as a yardstick.
Go to kenya,our Swahili is being adapted at a faster rate
Go to Malawi
Mozambique, DRC
Zambia,Rwanda
Burundi, comoro etc

That is influence

Now take you medicine. This beyond stupid. Insane.

Just40:
NATO does not need to send soldiers even though they are doing so, to run out of weapons.
They've simply run out of bullets and artillery in their effort to bleed Russia dry of ammunition, they ended up bleeding themselves dry.

Meanwhile Russia can keep this going for another 15 to 20 years before running our of it Soviet stockpile.

The US dollar lost 10% of global trade just by Russia's single intervention in one year and now doing 44% or 34% of global trade.
Before they'll be able to knock Russia out, Russia would knock them out when all that dollars start returning to the US.

You're just and idiot... NATO have rachet up production of weapons and yet their combine production can't meet those of Russia. They destroyed their industrial base and are now trying to destroy those of Germany.

Ukraine are being given the best of NATO including the best of intelligence.


The Russians have won already economically and militarily... Now NATO wants to freeze the conflict but the Russians will never trust them again

You're wrong.
GDP measures both marketed or sold goods and own production.
The own produced and consumed - GDP measures albeit in approximated means.

Let me give you a good example.
Milk production in kenya.

Kenya produces 6B litres of milk annually.
What is marketed and processed formally is roughly a billion or less.
The other are either drank by owners or sold informally to neighborhoods.
To calculate the Maasai cow that was milked in a year - GDP uses guestimates - or use any patch data they can get.
Livestock surveys - say we know from Census Kenya has 10M dairy cows - about 2 million are high grade - 8 million are traditional.
Most of 2 million high grade or commercial breeds will end up formally....producing 1B litres..measured and tracked through dairies companies.

The useless 8 million will produce 5B litres.
So how do we estimate the production - we can randomly sample the cows or ask the owners - they will likely say they milk 2 or 5 litres a day - compared to 20 litres for high grade cows.
Give and take dry cows - you estimate the milk produced.

Then you go to nearest markets and ask - the prices of milk - you average out.

Now you can come and say kenya produces 6 billion litres times half a dollar - bringing total GDP from Milk to 3B.

Mzal3ndo:
I think there needs to be extensive classes about economics in this forums so as to avoid this kind of gibberish. GDP is a very improper way of measuring an economy because it goes on the basis of everything produced in a country has to be sold and if its not being sold thus production is low. If you have a land and produce 10 bags of corn and sell five it is considered you produce 5 bags in terms of GDP and if it happens you increase production from 10 to 15 but still sell 5, it is considered no production increase has occurred. But if you still produce 10 and sell 7 instead of 5 it will be considered that production has increased.
Now since we have gotten that out of the way lets make a careful break down of the two economies. Kenya is more of a cooperate economy while Tanzania is more of a mommy and daddy shop kind of economy meaning most Kenyas on a large scale work for cooperation or someone else while most Tanzanians work for themselves and most of them in Agriculture. With vast areas of land most Tanzania make enough for themselves and sell the extra to meet monetary requirements (thats 70% of the working population are in agriculture). With a more cooperate form of doing business raw material pass though various industries to reach the final product and in all those stages in a monetary transfer happens that contributes to the gdp whereas in Tanzania its more as from the farm to the sell to consumer without major processing requirements.
So if you look at the GDP PPP pf the two nations (which is a bit more accurate in describing the economies) Tanzania is 2/3 of Kenyas economy which is not half by any metric and for a country that was still socialist till the early 2000s its fair in African standards. But although you have a larger economy in terms of monetary transactions Kenyas still pay way more in taxes and cost of living is higher thus its much better to be poor in Tanzania than in Kenya.
While you guys take pride in working hard Tanzania believe life in meant to be enjoyed so forgive us if we dont want to kill ourselves for money that when we die are not going to take anywhere.
P.S. Kenyan politician like this grandiose gestures, showing that they are working that is why they are pushing for rapid regional intergration but let me ask you this, If you add Somalia to the EAC and half of Somalia move to Kenya which is safer do you have the resources to accommodated and build all the infrastructure needed to support them or are your leaders going to go to Washington with their tails between their legs to beg for aid?

Kenya as colonized by the British, what does that have to do with development? The Germans lost the first world war and its colonial territories where transfered to the British and other allied powers (Most colonies didn't make profit except for France and Belgium Congo) so I do not see any relevance to the matter apart from the British had more investments in Kenya than Tanzania since TZ was a protectorate meaning they where just overseeing things in Tz and had no intentions for mayor investment especially after fighting a major war.

Language, Second largest economy in the world speak Chinese, largest economy in Europe speak German, the entire North Africa speaks Arabic, you point being what exactly about language?

You asked how is Tanzania going to influence anything? Simple by having translators in international meetings just as the Chinese, Germans, Russians and the French do. You dont need to have the whole country speaking English only those whole represent us in International trade.

Poland and Ukraine are siamese twins now. Clearly Ramaphosa peace project is unwelcomed.

Until big boys of US, Germany, France and UK - financing Ukraine - say enough with beating of Putin - there is no peace deal in Ukraine

And why would US & EU-UK want a peace deal when Russia is getting bogged down & depleted by brave Ukrainians with a few hand-me down weapons?

Tell Ramaphosa to turn from Kiev and head to Sudan or DRC or Mozambique - or Somalia - or Mali - or so many Africa countries need peace deals.

There is nasty war in Sudan - and South Africa can be helpful there.

mzansiboy:
The president's security is secured, clearly you don't have all the facts, and we know that Poland is a racist country. They will be in big trouble should the president be in any sort of trouble. Forward with peace forward!!!

Exactly. Joburg, Lagos, Nairobi and Cairo - are the main cities in Africa - when it comes to geo-politics. Ghana is only relevant when Nigeria has problems.

GeneralDae:
That's cool but that doesn't signify much in terms of influence/relevance in Africa.
Ethiopia is home to the AU and was never colonised but how relevant is Ethiopia in Africa? Even in East Africa, many would consider Kenya more influential than Ethiopia.

Influence is mostly about Economy, Military, and spread of your culture.

Ghana is doing well but she is not even the most influential English speaking West Africa. Ivorycoast is the most influential French speaking West African country and Nigeria is still the most influential English speaking West African country.

Kenya is the most influential East African Country just like South Africa in Southern Africa. Egypt is the top dog in North Africa.

Economic ranking, Military ranking, and Cultural spread in that order are the three topmost metrics to guage influence/relevance here.