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Sound like you're mega corrupt. Thermal plant is a generator that you buy from a shop. It cheap to build and deliver - but you'll be paying for gas for rest of your life. Anyway you're just ignorant.

Just30:
It takes 3 years to build a thermal plant

Hydro is the cheapest to build and we have built several of them and it is cost...


Thermal unit are very expensive, just 200 to 300MW thermal unit can cost you up to half a billion dollars while 1 to 2 billion dollars hydro dam can provide 2000 plus megawatts if you have the water resources...


understood now?

Mad cow. Search Excess Capacity Ghana

And you'll get such results

Govt pays $937.5m to 3 IPPs for 4 years’ excess capacity charge

Lessons to be learnt from Ghana’s excess electricity shamble

Just30:
sorry kiddo

we dont do that mortgage nonsense that happens I'm poor countries like Kenya... here

All turbines in Ghana are being used

and there is nothing like excess charge

Even a small thermal unit cost over half a billion dollars to build

Hydro is cheapest to run - but building is very expensive and time consuming. Piping gas is not the same with civil work needed for a dam. The last time you attempted in 60s to build volta - your country became broke for 20yrs.

Once hydro has been built - then it's cheap - because water cost nothing.

Thermal plants are easy to build - just buy a turbine - and pipe the gas. But you have to pay for gas - and Nigeria were last bitterly complaining you cannot pay for it.

Thermal plants is like a GENERATOR that you buy from a shop. It not expensive. But you have to buy diesel or gas daily.

To run - Coal is cheapest - followed by hydro. To build - thermal plant can be delivered within a week. Or instantly - you can order mega thermal generators - and put diesel or gas - and be cranking the same day.

Just30:
you are mad

Hydro is the cheapest source of electricity


Im referring to the cost of putting up a power plant, thermal units are very expensive

You spend nothing. Mahama mortgaged your country to IMF and annually force you to spend 1B dollars on "air". You basically signed a take or pay and invited IPPS to build thermal plants. That kenya did like 30yrs ago.

Now annually you're paying 1B dollars for turbines that don't turn. So you're unable to take power - so you pay. Excess charge of 1B dollars is almost 1/3 of oil revenues flashed down the Altantic

That is why current gov is trying to clean up Mahama mess

Just30:
while kenya used 10 years to invest 8 billion dollars, Ghana invested 18 billion dollars in 3 years....to acquire assets

That is more than 2 times kenya 10years spending

On the contrary - thermal plants are actually the cheapest - and most preferred shortcut for lazy countries like Ghana. Countries like kenya committed to renewable energy spend a lot more.

Table 5.1: Typical capital and operating costs for power plants. Note that these costs do not include subsidies, incentives, or any "social costs" (e.g., air or water emissions)
Technology Capital Cost ($/kW) Operating Cost ($/kWh)
Coal-fired combustion turbine $500 — $1,000 0.02 — 0.04
Natural gas combustion turbine $400 — $800 0.04 — 0.10
Coal gasification combined-cycle (IGCC) $1,000 — $1,500 0.04 — 0.08
Natural gas combined-cycle $600 — $1,200 0.04 — 0.10
Wind turbine (includes offshore wind) $1,200 — $5,000 Less than 0.01
Nuclear $1,200 — $5,000 0.02 — 0.05
Photovoltaic Solar $4,500 and up Less than 0.01
Hydroelectric $1,200 — $5,000 Less than 0.01

Just30:
Hydro is always cost effective to build cause it is cheap when you have the water resources

Thermal units are very expensive assets, they come with pipeline layings for fuel ..

And that is why I said, kenya cannot affor to make the kind of investments weve made in the power sector....

while kenya used 10 years to invest 8 billion dollars, Ghana invested 18 billion dollars in 3 years....to acquire assets

That is more than 2 times kenya 10years spending

Ethiopia is building upto 15,000 GWH per annum Grand Renaissance Dam for 5B dollars. Tanzania building 2,000MW hydro generating 5,000 gwh for 3B dollars. Uganda recently completed 650Mw for 2B dollars.

So how can Ghana 5000Mw installed capacity be 50B dollars. Stop throwing figures carelessly

Dont be a little crazy than usual. Even if we include transmission assets - at best - it would be 10-20B dollars.

Kenya the last 10yrs has made huge investment - and it only spend 8B dollars in the electricity sector

Just30:
The accept that were built between 2014 to 2016 alone is worth over 18 billion dollars

how much do you think the existing ones are worth?

Or they didn't teach you valuation in kenya?

Throwing careless numbers as always. Nobody take you seriously outside of Ghana.

Just30:
You are still talking about losses when you are reading that it was sold directly to customers and which they received?



Lunatic and stupidity is your problem..... you can even make it 2000 GWh and Kenya will still not catch up

Our energy sector is worth over 50 billion dollars

When is the last thing you won anything in any sport - including football - africa football is one world worst.

vankelvin:
The lesser known sports you mean?

Any verifiable data showing your electricity is more reliable than Kenya. Or you're confusing kenya with your big brother the main zoo.

vankelvin:
Las las Ghana enjoys constant and quality electricity supply than your poor country

AId dependent IMF colony - talk in 2050 - when you achieve your dream to be Kenya - Beyond Aid

vankelvin:
I can see poverty all over your comments.

Pray your country gets money they will build you decent stadiums.

4 679 - sold directly to customers - assuming the same system losses - we are talking another 3,000 to 8,000 - total of 11,000 GWH eventually sold...after all the systemic losses

This is why it's important for you to understand these stuff - so you do not think Ghana consume 5000MW - it barely[b] 2000MW[/b]

https://www.vra.com/resources/annual_reports/2019%20VRA%20Annual%20Report.pdf

Also, the quantity of electricity sold to
deregulated customers, which attracts relatively
better margins, increased by 55.8 percent from
3,003GWh in 2018 to [b]4,679[/b]GWh in 2019.
This includes sales to SONABEL over the new
Bolgatanga-Ouagadougou 330 kV transmission
line, which increased from 222GWh in 2018 to
576GWh in 2019, representing an increase of
297GWh - or 135 percent. Additionally, sales
to CEB also increased by 102 percent, from
385GWh in 2018 to 777GWh in 2019. The
quantity of energy sold to regulated customers
also increased by 11 percent (687GWh) from
6,022GWh in 2018 to 6709GWh in 2019.

Just30:
VRA itself is a distributor for so many communities

Facts and not assumptions

Yeah sportwise you do not feature; kenya is a sporting giant of Africa.

vankelvin:
Stadiums in West Africa are never empty...
I guess that's why you have no decent stadiums in your country?

In West Africa (Ghana to be precise)
-We host our National teams home matches there
-We play our local premier leagues there
-Senior High schools hosts their inter-school competitions there
-Universities hosts their National Games there
-National Games are hosted there
-Big entertainment shows are done there etc so stadiums in West Africa are never empty.

Anyways how many stadiums have your country teams constructed?

At least in Ghana
Ash-Gold
Elmina Sharks,
Medeama,
Wafa,
Aduana FC
Hearts of Oak football clubs etc are all building decent stadiums and training centers which are better than your seatless stadiums

NEDCO can barely do a thousand unit gwh. VRA is like Kengen in kenya. It sell power to ECG and NEDCO.

Just30:
add VRA and Nedco and you will have 19,716.59 GWh

Kenya will have to break it back to consume this much electricity

Actually I got 2019 results
https://www.ecggh.com/images/reports/2019_ECG_Financial_Report.pdf
Ghana

Power purchased
11,538.67

Power sold 8,688.62

Very similar to kenya Power - which I have explained to mad cow ad nauseam that Ghana electricity that eventually get supplied is about 1800-2000MW like kenya

Compare kenya power company and Ghana main electricity company results

EGH (2018) and KPLC (2019)

KPLC -The total units purchased rose to 11,493 GWh from 10,702 GWh in the previous period representing
an increase of 7.4%. Power sold 8,769.

Ghana -Power purchased 10,900 and Power sold 8,251

http://www.ecggh.com/images/reports/2018_ECG_Financial_Report.pdf

https://kplc.co.ke/img/full/ypSsKdhsre3z_KPLC%20ANNUAL%20REPORT%202019_20%20FOR%20WEB.pdf

Give and take few units sold by Northern.

Kenya has a lot of industries on their own generated power.

That translate to how many days per year? And do they ever get filled up. Kenya we have two big ones and they are mostly disused. These white elephants are not a priority. Build medium sized stadiums. Until you're developed enough - otherwise you have empty tombs - waste of money.

vankelvin:
Stadiums in West Africa are never empty...
I guess that's why you have no decent stadiums in your country?

In West Africa (Ghana to be precise)
-We host our National teams home matches there
-We play our local premier leagues there
-Senior High schools hosts their inter-schools competitions there
-Universities hosts their National Games there
-National Games are hosted there
-Big entertainment shows are done there etc so stadiums in West Africa are never empty.

I am sure your west african friends run to Egypt - after getting bored with South Africa. What is Ghana doing to address it's housing deficit?

vankelvin:
Pig, your country man compared your slums to egypt so I came in to correct him.

You can fake all rankings but fact remain you only have 3-4m household metered with electricity- Kenya has 8M. Your numbers are implausible.

vankelvin:
There are some of the comments you just ignore.. Why waste time on a kiberan.

Assuming what he is saying is true, any positive ranking concerning electricity puts Ghana ahead of Kenya.. any sensible Kenyan will not even argue this.

2021IDPAAfricachampionships - First time it's held outside South Africa - Pistol shooting competition in Kenya - Kiambu

Misplaced priorities. White elephants. Huge stadiums that 99 percent of the time are empty. Europe stadiums filled up almost every weekend and most of the week days. And so to those in developed world. These stadiums should ideally be built by clubs. At least Tanzania is ahead - because they have two big stadiums built by clubs.

vankelvin:
You missed the point I made.

I mean the Ibadan stadium tend to have the look of the 2 stadiums.
look at the roofing, just like the Port Harcourt stadium... And the shape and outer look of the stadium looks similar to the Benin Stadium.

Anyways, there's no doubt that Nigeria can host all kinds of tournaments, perhaps except World Cup tournament.

How about you speak for your country. Egypt I am sure doesnt care what you say about them

vankelvin:
I don't even know what we are to compare here? Don't compare Kenya to Egypt in that sector.. The kind of constructions happening there is far above what you are doing in your country.

kenya 4th in 100m - Diamond League - Omunyalaa now 3rd fastest 100M in Africa after Simine and Namibia legend Frederick Franks

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lbX8XFjQ4dk

Generation efficiency is deducted from installed capacity. You installed capacity is 5000Mw - you only manage to generate 2800Mw - and only 1800mw or about - end up in consumers who pay the bill.
System losses are lost through rickety transmission connection - Ghana has Africa worst - losing 1/4 of all power it supplies.
That is why your electricity companies are ever broke.

Just30:
Since they are not hidden,why dont you take the time to find it, since you are interested..?


Madness is doing you


Lunatic does not even know what peak demand is ....... system losses is deducted from Generation and not demand..... fool

Bla de bla. Mad cow such statistics are freely available - they are no a hidden gem like your gold. Just type Ghana peak power demand...remove system losses...it about 1800mW

Just30:
Lunatic
Go back to the previous thread and you will see all the links I sent to you concerning this..... I'm not about to start all over again

Not in developed world; power only go off if big weather storm; developed world have redudant lines, live maintainance and all the works; power simply never goes off; except in big storm or flooding

vaxx:
I hate when i am talking to an idiot who speaks from both sides of the mouth, you can't be accepting a valid and invalidating it at the same time. you earlier reject dumsor, fact was thrown at you, you responded back with another fact validating my initial premises. You again look for excuse, the fact was thrown at you further, you end up running syphilis of the mouth.

even in USA, repairing and maintenance are continuous work, you should stupidly know it by now. they are times light go off for such purposes.


well, i hope the "1 nairobians youth, 1 wheelbarrow " policy is going up well.

Link? Mad cow?

Just30:
Ghana's installed capacity is 5500MW and peak demand is 4000MW.

THAT is more than twice kenya demand....


We have proper infrastructure and that is why our grid can handle all the demand and generation we are adding....



All those things you posted are nothing compare to Ghana investment into the energy sector....

Our investment here are into the billions and not the few millions you guys can afford..


While you guys are now building transmission lines to connect the rest of your dark country to create a power pull with your neighbours,
Ours was built 50 years ago and its running perfectly as we continue to invest in modern technology.

Africa 5G - South Africa and Morroco ahead - kenya has 3 sub stations

Typical west african bonobo - repairs CAN NEVER BE COMPLETED - it's part of life. By time you're done - it started to breakdown. The Maintenance culture that you lack is your main undoing.

vaxx:
""According to the power distributor, the outages would allow the Ghana Grid Company (GRIDCo) to complete the last phase of repair works on some bulk supply points and transmission cables in Accra"

Stop shouting like an he-goat on heat and listen FOR ONCE. KENYA is MILES AHEAD In quality of power. Do you see anybody complaining in kenya about dumsor or power rationing or NEPA?

In kenya if power goes off - there an emergency that respond within 1hr in many places. Rolling blackout those are rare unless it some rural places where a transformer has knocked down.

Nigeria has installed capacity of 10,000MW but it collapses every time; The same with Ghana; 5000Mw; that use waste 2500mw; and pay 1B dollars...that is wasted excess charge.

If you were using your brain like kenya - you would have invested that excess 1B - to IMPROVE QUALIY of transmission. You can have 100,000MW but if your network is rickety, is not redudant and collapse - it's useless.

1) Building a redundant transmission line - like Kenya - 250M dollars invested - to ensure most substation are connected to two sources - one goes down - another is brought in
https://www.esi-africa.com/regional-news/east-africa/kenya-power-introduce-redundant-network/
The redundant network can be explained as the alternative line of supply such that if one line goes off, power is automatically supplied by the other line hence the customer stays continuously connected. The system is reported to be used in advanced economies.

2) You invest in Live Maintenance - meaning line is repaired while it's powered on.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pVDjMbPo5pA&t=325s
3) Invest in underground cabling of the main lines - to avoid weather related emergencies.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qaYD9ILL-CI

4) Invest in proper infrastructure to support maintenance team - including helicopters.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TmXSDnVAgpk&t=32s

Just30:
And all those challenges have been solved

We will begin adding more generation capacity as more gas is coming onstream....

Ivory Coast just discovered 3 trillion scb reserves of gas and Ghana will be their major customer


Now tell us why kenyan consume less electricity than animals in Ghana rolling blackout is acceptable in Kenya because you guys have no money to solve it

https://www.energyforgrowth.org/memo/the-latest-power-supply-challenges-in-ghana/

August 23, 2021
THE LATEST POWER SUPPLY CHALLENGES IN GHANA
By Ishmael Ackah

Power supply challenges (including instability, low voltage, and blackouts), known as ‘Dumsor’, have plagued Ghana for years, and remain significant concerns for both industrial and residential customers. In just the first half of 2021, multiple major outages have occurred (see Annex), caused by three main issues:

Tripped transmission lines. Transmission lines in Ghana are frequently overloaded, not well maintained, and non-redundant. In March 2021, a fault in a major line caused cascading failures that crashed the entire system for several hours.
Reduced water level at the Bui reservoir. Low water levels have taken the 400MW dam mostly offline, save for a few evening hours when demand is highest. This has degraded electricity quality and caused repeated outages in Kumasi.
Gas/Fuel-related outages. At least 9 major outages were related to inadequate fuel stock, gas pressure dips, or other interruptions in fuel supply.

Just30:
Dumsor ended a long time ago as all maintenance has been done

Stop lying; Dumsor is permanent feature of Ghana until you invest in many things - like live maintenance; redundant lines; undergrounds cabling
https://ghananewspage.com/ecg-announces-22-day-dumsor-schedule-for-accra-71-communities-to-be-affected/?utm_source=ReviveOldPost&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=ReviveOldPost

vaxx:
The bone of question is "if dumsor stil exist " and the greater answer to it is no.

how we go about the debt is our headache, face your wheelbarrow empower economy. we solve the major crisis, that is all.

You already seen from your writeup it is over

Installed capacity versus demand - overcapacity charge of 1billion dollars is crazy

Between 2000 and 2019, electricity generation capacity increased at a rate of 6.4% a year from 1,358 megawatts (MW) to 4,695 MW. Supply capacity has nearly doubled since the 2013 power crisis. At the same time, system peak demand grew at a 4.6% annual rate from 1,161 MW to 2,804 MW.

Systemic losses of 25 percent - twice Sub-Sahara average

The result is that a persistent 25% of electricity generated in Ghana is lost at the retail end. These are caused by dilapidated infrastructure (technical losses) as well as electricity theft or commercial losses. Ghana’s losses are more than double the sub-Saharan Africa average of 12%.

vaxx:
Dumsor is over as measured by plenty of installed capacity to supply peak demands. Ghana is having over 5 thousand installed megawatt, no country in entire east and central Africa is doing that. our mate are in south Africa excluding Nigeria in west Africa.