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I think you just dont know how expansive Nairobi university is - this video rotate around Nairobi university....and it doesnt even expand to Chiromo campus...you can see on the backgroudn.

ITS NOT EVEN CLOSE - your UOG is high school

0 - 1:15 - That main campus - not inclusive of hostels
1:19 - That is Main campus playing field, swimming pool, hostels, all the way.

Btw Westland and CBD is the University of Nairobi....

Now on the far end )where you see trees) - is Chiromo campus - that extend all the way to Dusit hotel that was under attack from terrorist.

This is just ONE campus - this video doesnt even show you Chiromo campus.

Nairobi has 6 other campus in Nairobi.

Mombasa and Kisumu.

It's NOT EVEN CLOSE>


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dg7P1hROudE

UOG was established by British in 1948. It was University of Cape Coast. That was British direct colony.

Just30:
confused comment

Get your head together

There is no criteria UOG can beat UON. In infrastructure alone - it not even close. Your university is like a Kenya high school

Just30:
UoG does not compete with backward unis in Kenya that do not have a befitting campus

You think Univeristy of Accra can compare to Nairobi or Kenyatta . Univeristy of Ghana is like a high school - UON has 3 towers in Nairobi, Mombasa and Kisumu

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_bRwOgsxxGI

Just30:
first put up a good university campus before you think of comparing your bankrupt country to Ghana

Not in Cape or gold Coast including Accra. That was a direct British colony.

Just30:
By 1948, Ghana was fully being govern by Ghanaians using taxes raised in Ghana... Our legislative council was completely formed by Ghanaians of all walk of life..

And Ghana was a parliamentary democracy.

The current university campus land was donated by a single Ghanaian family...

Nairobi CBD all paved up. Poor Ghana vision 2050 - may become 2100 - as Nairobi fixes what it had been largley missing - proper pavement and walkways

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mM53JQBvppw

UoG was established in 1948 by the Brits.

University College of the Gold Coast- THE UNIVERSITY OF GHANA was founded in 1948 as the University College of the Gold Coast on the recommendation of the Asquith Commission, on Higher Education in the then British colonies.

vankelvin:
These little Indians(Kenyans) think Ghana is terrible like their country where everything good was done by their colonial masters.

Let it be known to them that everything good in Ghana was done by Ghanaians.
Even Government offices were built by Ghanaians.
All what the whites left for Ghana were some wooden structures, rail lines and castles.

Yes the middle ground works; have private sector run on capitalism; allowing the brutal market economy to pick winners; and then have public sector funded by taxing the private sector providing communism like ideals of an equal society. Once the right mix if found - the country can have sustainable growth and development - like most Scandavanian countries have achieved.

What we need is nordic model..

The Nordic model comprises the economic and social policies as well as typical cultural practices common to the Nordic countries (Denmark, Finland, Iceland, Norway, and Sweden).[1] This includes a comprehensive welfare state and multi-level collective bargaining[2] based on the economic foundations of social corporatism,[3][4] with a high percentage of the workforce unionized and a sizable percentage of the population employed by the public sector (roughly 30% of the work force in areas such as healthcare, education, and government).[5] Although it was developed in the 1930s under the leadership of social democrats,[6] the Nordic model began to gain attention after World War II.[7]

he Nordic model has been characterized as follows:[23]

An elaborate social safety net, in addition to public services such as free education and universal healthcare[23] in a largely tax-funded system.[24]
Strong property rights, contract enforcement and overall ease of doing business.[25]
Public pension plans.[23]
High levels of democracy as measured by the Democracy Index.[26][27]
Free trade combined with collective risk sharing (welfare social programmes and labour market institutions) which has provided a form of protection against the risks associated with economic openness.[23]
Little product market regulation. Nordic countries rank very high in product market freedom according to OECD rankings.[23]
Low levels of corruption.[26][23] In Transparency International's 2019 Corruption Perceptions Index, Denmark, Finland, Norway and Sweden were ranked among the top 10 least corrupt of the 179 countries evaluated.[28]
High trade union density and collective bargaining coverage.[29] In 2019, trade union density was 90.7% in Iceland, 67.5% in Denmark, 65.2% in Sweden, 58.8% in Finland, and 50.4% in Norway; in comparison, trade union density was 16.3% in Germany and 9.9% in the United States.[30] In 2018, collective bargaining coverage was 90% in Iceland, 88.8% in Finland (2017), 88% in Sweden, 82% in Denmark, and 69% in Norway; in comparison collective bargaining coverage was 54% in Germany and 11.6% in the United States.[31] The lower union density in Norway is mainly explained by the absence of a Ghent system since 1938. In contrast, Denmark, Finland and Sweden all have union-run unemployment funds.[32]
A partnership between employers, trade unions and the government, whereby these social partners negotiate the terms to regulating the workplace among themselves, rather than the terms being imposed by law.[33][34] Sweden has decentralised wage co-ordination while Finland is ranked the least flexible.[23] The changing economic conditions have given rise to fear among workers as well as resistance by trade unions in regards to reforms.[23] At the same time, reforms and favourable economic development seem to have reduced unemployment, which has traditionally been higher. Denmark's Social Democrats managed to push through flexicurity reforms in 1994 and 1996.
The United Nations World Happiness Reports show that the happiest nations are concentrated in Northern Europe. The Nordics ranked highest on the metrics of real GDP per capita, healthy life expectancy, having someone to count on, perceived freedom to make life choices, generosity and freedom from corruption.[35] The Nordic countries place in the top 10 of the World Happiness Report 2018, with Finland and Norway taking the top spots.[36]
The Nordic countries received the highest ranking for protecting workers rights on the International Trade Union Confederation 2014 Global Rights Index, with Denmark being the only nation to receive a perfect score.[37]
Sweden at 56.6% of GDP, Denmark at 51.7%, and Finland at 48.6% reflect very high public spending.[38] One key reason for public spending is the large number of public employees. These employees work in various fields including education, healthcare and for the government itself. They often have greater job security and make up around a third of the workforce (more than 38% in Denmark). Public spending in social transfers such as unemployment benefits and early-retirement programmes is high. In 2001, the wage-based unemployment benefits were around 90% of wage in Denmark and 80% in Sweden, compared to 75% in the Netherlands and 60% in Germany. The unemployed were also able to receive benefits several years before reductions, compared to quick benefit reduction in other countries.[citation needed]
Public expenditure for health and education is significantly higher in Denmark, Norway, and Sweden in comparison to the OECD average.[39]
Overall tax burdens as a percentage of GDP are high, with Denmark at 45.9% and both Finland and Sweden at 44.1%.[40] The Nordic countries have relatively flat tax rates, meaning that even those with medium and low incomes are taxed at relatively high levels.[41][42

mtisTheQubit:
Socialism is like the moderate guy against extreme right aka capitalists an extreme left ak communism.but we also must agtee that it comes indifferent shades.
It's naturally for the two sides to gravitate towards the center

There is gov role in business - but it must be for a short while - before they sell out. Gov should invest in business that do not make business sense but are strategic - infant industries - and once they mature - they should exit.

I dont see how strategic cattle ranching or poultry is - that private individuals cannot do?

If you want to do large cattle ranching or poultry - organize the small holders into cooperatives - and you will get the same economic benefits.

obaaderemi:
I still find it difficult to be on the bandwagon that supports the idea that government should not get involved in business.

Government can go into partnership with the private sector, especially banks, to set up corporations or SME where the government will have no hand in the day to day running of the businesses. Banks are good at running businesses and generating money and employment.

Take for example, there is a farm settlement in Ibadan set up in the 50s by Obafemi Awolowo, the premier of the defunct Western region.
It had a cattle ranch and facilities for poultry business and other things. Now it is totally abandoned.

Meanwhile the state governor is currently spending $75 million ( over 20 billion dollars) putting up street lights in the state. A tenth of that money would turn around the farm settlement and the entire agricultural production of the state.

I did my calculation, half of that money would put up at least 1000 low income new flats for the citizens. This would not only beautify the state, it would be an everlasting source of income for the state and help ease the housing deficit a little.

Nkrumah screwed your economy, he couldnt pay army, and they overthrow him.
Kenya is a unique success story, that due to it's prudent economic management, avoided military rule and survived many problems in those era.
Ghana from 1960 through to 1990s - had average growth rate 2 percent - I think. It was HOPELESS. And yet it had minerals - gold, diamond, bauxite, etc.

Now move to Kenya - Kenya early realized the importance of having the right economic policy - we choose what we called Africa socialisms - this was market economy based on capitalism with cooperative movement.

And what was the results - Kenya grew from 1963 to 1982/64 - global crisis - at average of nearly 7 percent gdp growth rate. In fact by 1975 our finance minister - had been named Times Newspaper as Man of the Year.

We were going hammer to hammer with South Asians tigers...like Singapore, Taiwan, etc.

But by mid 1980s - we realize - our biggest mistake - we were also the fastest growing in population. Our women were averaging 8-10 kids.

We embarked on population and family planning....we got into major problems in 90s...but recovered from 2003.

Mwai Kibaki - though aged - would come back to recover the economic momentum - and kenya has been growing since then - bar COVID and election violence.

Just30:
In Ghana, He is well-loved and celebrated

Ghana economy was doing well for almost 10 good years after he left, the CIA forced military rule on Ghana..

Nkrumah never took a wrong turn ...

Nkrumah ambitious plans which were all financially sound made Ghana a fertile ground for the import of foreign workers because there was an abundance of work.. And a lot of Ghanaians were lifted out of poverty

Can you tell me when, in the economic life of Kenya, that it was this successful ?

I dont know enough of Nigeria economy and currency devaluation then but I can tell you IMF template is very similar. You only call IMF when you're bankrupt or about to be bankrupt. World Bank is a development bank - but IMF is the bank of the last resort.

When IMF jets in - it's coming to make painful unpopular decision - that your gov has been unable to make. IMF cannot recommend currency devaluation if you currency is strong. It can only do so if you're having serious issues. If you currency is over-valued; it will be devalued;

For example IMF came to kenya in 1990s - this after our almost economic collapse in 1993. Donors who were then funding our budget upto 60 percent - decided to withdraw funding. Donors were like our oil sector. I can imagine the same crisis would unfold in Nigeria if oil prices were to collapse...and suddenly you gov has haircut of 60 percent.

Without donor funding - kenya gov had no forex - to meet it's import obligation and pay debts - and only option was to devalue the currency.

To devalue the currency that basically mean you print local money; you print Naira or Kshs; so you can repay local debt; you also make your export cheaper; so you can spur international trade.

Obviously IMF has and does get wrong - because economics is a art - no science.

Now how do you stop IMF currency devaluation; if that is your biggest problem; simple freely float your Naira; and it will find it's own base; right now black market rate is 500 to a dollar; and gov rate is 380 dollar; That tells you Naira is OVERVALUED and should be devalued further.

But if you freely float; the market will decide; if you open the economy; you can keep IMF away. If you improve local tax collection; improve local debt market; you keep IMF away.

Bottomline: IT STUPID TO BLAME IMF; BLAME NIGERIA GOV for screwwing your economy. IMF saved your economy - and sadly it still oil dependant - and we wake up tomorrow - to another OIL CRUSH - you'll be in total chaos.

Abohboy:
Then why did IMF intervention destroy Nigeria's economy and currency? If their interventions are helpful and needed?

He is celebrated in Africa, rightly so, for his anti-colonial fight and pan-Africanism; but Ghana themselves know why they had to expel him and he died in exile. He collapsed the economy, forced military rule on Ghana for 30yrs and etc through his misplaced priorities..Ghana is yet to fully recover.

Not everything is mutually exclusive. His early heroic feats were later undone by taking the wrong turn economically.

Mugabe is celebrated as hero for the same reason - but to his fellow Zim - he is a villain - a guy who eventually screwed their economy.

Just30:
He is

Nkrumah dont really need defending, his great works speaks for him...
This Kenyan think Nkrumah thinks like his myopic leaders who only think about their stomach...

Nkrumah is celebrated as the greatest African even by Kenyans themselves.
All the stooges in Kenya, that he call leaders, all celebrate Nkrumah.

So just allow the Kenyan Lunatic who hasn't read wide to keep posting his usual nonsense

This is how Kenyans think and that is why they are mostly poor
#below

IMF doesnt intervene for no reason. IMF intervention started in 1945s - with Europe - and they had to undertake painful reforms - including letting go of colonies.

IMF only intervenes if a country is going through economic crisis.

This is not to discount the US-USSR machination in Africa and rest of the world during the cold war era.

Abohboy:
Nigeria's currency at the time was stronger then the dollar and our manufacturing industry was booming and we were starting to industrialize with the construction of Ajaokuta and an SGR then came a military coup and an IMF intervention for no reason and the everything collapsed for Nigeria

Marxism isn't bad once again China and Russia exist and nothing bad was happening with Sankara and nothing was going to happen to him he was doing great things for his country and developing it very quickly he was taken out by a foreign backed coup by his friend who then went on to be a dictator and destroy all infrastructure and progress that started under Sankara even look at Lumumba he tried to nationalize the resources of DRC and keep the profits inside the country and the west starts a crisis and assasinates him they're against any progress in Black Africa why do you think they're supporting the dissolution of Nigeria and at the same time are supporting Buhari? I'm not necessarily a marxist but I definitely support the sensible African ones like Sankara, Nkrumah and Lumumba who actually tried to develop Africa

Sankara is lucky he died early. Leaders that adopted marxism or communism - like Kwame, Mengistu, Nyerere - all collapsed their economy, refused IMF help and eventually were overthrown. Only Nyerere bucked the trend - and admitted failure, resigned, went home with his bicycle and retired. He had made everyone poor himself included.

IMF only comes after you've 'screwed'; they are the receiver manager; they are not coming to be liked; they are coming to give you very serious cancer like treatment - a mix of radiotherapy and chemotherapy - that will you half-dead - but you were dying anyway. It igives you a chance to live again.

The trick is never to get economic cancer - otherwise IMF will come with radio-and-chemo therapy. At worst - run to IMF as soon as early signs show up - otherwise treatment regime will be rough and chance of beating it minimal.

Zim will take another 30yrs to recover..just wait and see.

Abohboy:
He didn't collapse their economy though and of course he refused help from IMF how have they helped so far? You're aware that the complete collapse of the Naira was due to IMF recommended changes to our currency and fiscal policies and it was those changes that recked my family's business which had been going on since the 1920s the IMF is not your friend and they're not helpful, Sankara knew this and he did a lot for Burkina Faso without their help increased literacy, built thousands of schools vaccinated millions, built railways and roads, reduced salaries of government officials and operating costs of the government and greatly reduced their foreign debt and guess what? He was a Marxist just like Kwame Nkrumah

Maybe you're ignorant. Kwame not only collapsed Ghana economy in a record 5yrs - but also refused help from IMF. He couldnt even pay the army salaries - and eventually he was overthrown. Building a 1,000MW plant even today is not a joke - it's very expensive. He should have started with 100Mw -

He was wrong and stubborn...at least Julius Nyerere after collapsing TZ economy - admitted failure and resigned. Kwame digged in like Mugabe - thankfully the army kicked him out - and brought IMF.

Abohboy:
He could have exported the power to other countries it was part of his plan fir African countries to be connected in all forms including through electricity and his minister for finance and economy was a harvard graduate who was there to help this news of hyper inflation and whatever I don't believe it and the nation wasn't near collapsing whatsoever

Kenya universities are regulated by CUE - Commision of university Education.
If a campus doesnt meet requirement it get closed - and same with useless courses.
You cannot have one building university in kenya

https://www.tuko.co.ke/304697-list-57-university-campuses-closed-according-cue.html

Under the rules, campuses must have environments that are conducive for learning. “Campuses must never be located near noisy bus terminuses, bars, brothels and casinos or in unhygienic or condemned buildings,” states the 2014 regulations.

While CUE did not say which of its regulations the campuses had flouted, some of the blacklisted facilities are next to noisy and overcrowded bus stops and terminals, while others are in aged, non-descript multi-storey buildings.

CUE also did not indicate what it wanted institutions to do to avoid being shut down after the deadline.

Just30:
Good you did ( I KNOW)
We all know about your knowledge of things

There is no kenyan university I know of that is one campus - leave alone one building.
For example UON
https://a.uonbi.ac.ke/content/university-nairobi-campuses

Just30:
that's funny

90 % of unis in Kenya are 1 building unis

Yes we did the acreage and most Kenyan unis couldn't match up to most unis in Ghana, in both size and infrastructure

Shhh and go to bed

Kwame was a demagogue - who engaged in grandiose projects - without doing the maths. Volta dam - and other stupid adventures - bakrupted Ghana - and it's yet to fully recover to date. He had to be kicked out to save Ghana. Ghana has never fully recovered from hyperinflation, economic collapse and all the mess Kwame left it - including subsequent military dictatorship -

Pray what was economic justification to build 1,000MW plant in 1950s? Yet Ghana in 2020 can barely use 2,000MW!

Once a country get into ZIm like HyperInflation - it very difficult to recover! And that is Kwame Nkrumah legacy in Ghana economic mismanagement.

Abohboy:
I said it had lost 15 million dollars of exports not that is the total value market and Kwame Nkrumah wasn't communsit and even if he was there's no problem with it look at China and Russia

Which university is one building. I just showed you part of Main Campus. University of Nairobi has 8 campus plus many satellite. Big universities in kenya have 80k student enrollment. We did the acreage - you lost.

Stick to Ghana - we have South Africans here to showcase their country.

Just30:
The University of Education in Ghana has 10 campuses, yet it is still a beautiful uni..


I think we all know that, Ghanaian unis are bigger than 3 kenyan unis combined... So, kenyan 1 building unis cant compare...

Anyway, this is not a comparison between Kenya and SA... There is nothing to compare.

I admired the serene campus, just like most Ghanaian uni campuses and you are hurt that it's not kenya...

Lots of untruth. 1.5B shs is merely 15m dollars.
Ghana has had Gold - it literally named Gold Coast -for centuries.
That it has failed to use it to turn their country fortunes is something they need serious national introspection.
Kenya is far ahead of Ghana despite being resource barren...in almost most indexes if you ignore the data cooking by Ghana dysfunctional democracy.
Kenyans who have gone to Ghana - can attest - it has VERY POOR educaiton.

Everyone know ZImbwabwe has VERY GOOD education. You do not need statistics for some of these things.

I dont think corruption is to blame for Ghana.

Kwame Nkrumah messed by choosing communism. Ghana got independence in 1956 and by 1962 it was bankrupt.
Kwame had to be kicked out - so IMF could come in and baby sit Ghana.

From there it has been a big mess - except for a few years of Jerry Rawlings.

As we speak it's not different from Zambia - and is a crisis away from defaulting in it's debt.

What wrong with Ghana - it's another Tanzania paradox - it's peaceful, not corrupt, not ethnically divided, has lots of natural resources, and yet it poor. Accra look like a cattle kraal.

I think it's BAD LEADERSHIP - especially the communism hangover - for many years - and the kings/vodoo/cultural nonsense.
They need a cultural reformation to embrace market liberal economy...and they need to become serious - stop gold smuggling - and really make sure the minerals pay.

And stop the brain drain.

Abohboy:
Search Kenya minerals and go and see what you find and your claim that Kenya doesn't export minerals is false their minerals export has dropped by 1.5 billion shillings since the start of COVID meaning they had a sizeable mineral export market so now please explain that.

Ghana does have good infrastructure at least to a good degree their electricity is good, their education system is quite good and their universities are amazing much better then what Kenya has and the reason why they aren't developed pike with every single other African country is corruption Kwame Nkrumah would have changed the nation but he was ousted early on but that's just how the west ensures poverty among African nations.

Lastly Ghana doesn't control it's resources of it's gold exports and revenue Ghana only gets 2% of it's total output and value the rest is owned by foreign governments and countries so you cannot blame that for that situation.

Kenya: The Primary School Teachers Who Have PhDs

https://allafrica.com/stories/202109100143.html

You're not a south african - why would I be hurt - yet I know South Africa is ahead of kenya - by far - at least 3-4 times ahead.

UON has 8 campus - that is just the main campus - plus many satellite campus.
And there are many universities in kenya

Number of universities in Kenya 2013-2019. As of 2019, Kenya counted 63 universities, increasing from 61 in 2017. Compared to 2013, the number of higher education institutions increased by some 20 percent. In the 2019-2020 academic year, Kenya had approximately 509,4 thousand students pursuing a university degree

And let move back to Ghana - from Capetown?

There are fifteen (15) national public universities in Ghana - That is why you're running to South Africa.

Just30:
Seem the campus in Cape Town is Oppressing you


UON, is that one too a uni?

Funny enough, 95% of the campus in Ghana that you are referring to, was built post-colonial era

You seem hurt that I posted a South African Uni and not some nasty out of place and shame uni from kenya..

It should be obvious to you by now, that I dont fancy nasty things from kenya

Mad cow? What is nasty about this? UON ranks highly in almost every index out there. And you have to run to Cape Town to show case a university - all you in Ghana is COLONIAL building.

https://www.capitalfm.co.ke/thesauce/files/2020/03/UniversityOfNairobiTowersProject_banner-1536x696.jpg

Just30:
you call this nasty thing a uni?

No wonder you guys produce trash

China Communications Construction Company, Ltd. (CCCC) recently held an open house event for the Mombasa-Nairobi Standard Gauge Railway in Kenya, showcasing operation and maintenance of the railway and how it has changed local people's lives.

The largest infrastructure project in Kenya since its independence in 1963, the railway is a flagship project of Kenya Vision 2030 – the long-term development blueprint for the country – and an early outcome of China's Belt and Road Initiative.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KLREdorOqB4

Quick overview of parts of Nairobi

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U735v-OrmdQ

Nearly Every kenya univerisity has 20 floors plus buildings like this

The University of Nairobi Main Campus - all those beautiful buildings. Show us your little Ghana

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GfWDOq3Nfdc

vankelvin:
You talk as if Kenya has at least a single university that can stand the beauty of our universities here... Abeg be in your lane before you start posting pictures of one building universities here..

First he is inviting this criticism - because he is highlighting South Africa university - instead of his country Ghana.

It was mostly natural resources - gold, diamond - that built south africa economy. Ghana has those minerals. Kenya doesnt yet have natural resources in terms of minerals - of any serious value. Ghana has had gold for centuries...and it has completely failed to use it to turn their country fortunes around. And it cannot blame population like Nigeria.

Abohboy:
Was it resources or manufacturing for South Africa and stop acting like Kenya doesn't have commercially viable resources

Why hasnt ghana used it's minerals like south africa did to build a modern country?

Just30:
what a beautiful campus



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ijIZy67UPhA

The Kenyans who are helping the world to cheat
https://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-trending-58465189
Researchers who study the business of what's been termed "contract cheating" say Kenya is a key hub. The reasons are simple: Kenya is an English-speaking country with a good education system where there are often poor economic opportunities, particularly for young people.

Its poverty. When Africa become rich again - everyone will want to be part of it.

obaaderemi:
The problem is the kind of history taught in many African schools.

In era of genetics - such arguments are from ignorant people. The whole of North Africa was Berbers - and Arabs arrived later - and intermixed. Egypt - to this day - is black - especially lower Egypt.

obaaderemi:
A school of thought actually believes that Africa is the origin of the human race.

And here, someone thinks ancient Egyptians could never have been black. Lol.