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Are we back to sprawling slumsplis? Like you discovered with Nairobi - every kenya town or city has more single homes - of world class standards - than any part of Ghana. I know you thought Nairobi was all tall buildings - but I showed that half of Nairobi is actually high class single dweller units - that few Ghanians can afford to live in. The same for Kericho.

Urban centers - middle of city - yes will have tall office buildings, malls - there will section for apartments - all clustered together - there will be section for industrial areas.

Just30:
we dont build nasty apartments here to cram people in
Show me a town in Kenya that has it people so rich to own single own homes instead of the nasty no elevator craps and slums that you guys build. In Ghana, a property from 4 and 5 floors must have a lift.

You guys keep building nasty slums and call them cities

What infrastructure to you? And what do you mean better planned? Pick any parameter btw Kumasi and Eldoret - eldore comes top.

vankelvin:
Eldoret doesn't have close to the infrastructure they have in Kumasi.

Eldoret is better planned than Kumasi but not in infrastructure.

There goes the mad-man. No city - in entire west africa - lagos included - has Nairobi infrastracture. Nairobi is closing down on South Africa's cities. Pick any parameter - Nairobi has no match in West Africa or Central Africa.

Just30:
The area Vankelvin posted is just a town and it has better and more infrastructure than Nairobi with a population of less than 200,000 people

Dont guess. Ask. Nairobi is.

Just30:
I guess Eldoret must be the most developed place in Kenya

As always prove it. Accra look like a cattle kraal - Kumasi is crap - Takoradi? Show me a town of 30k - with 10, 15 floors of buildings, malls, sewage systems, name it

Just30:
In both population and infrastructure

There has to be requisite infrastructure.

This Daadab refugee camp in kenya - with 200,000 people. Should we call a city

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gxOlp-nmFXg

vankelvin:
Actually every country and what they look at to name a place a city or a town. I think Kenyans are quite good in that side.
If for nothing at all they take their time, put certain measures in place before declaring a place a City.

The parameters used by Nigerians to declare a place a city cannot be used in say *Ghana, Kenya, Rwanda or Cameroon*.
From population density, the size of the area, activities ECT can't be the same these countries.

A place with a population of about 10,000 can be said to be a city in Namibia, Botswana, Cape Verde, Seychelles etc and they are right. A city with same population in Nigeria, SA, Kenya, Ghana cannot be called a *City* but that does not mean those in Botswana, Namibia, Cape Verde are wrong for calling that place a city.

This eldoret town - few thousands to become a city - about 200,000 people now. it has more infrastructure than Accra or Kumasi

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZO0t9MMLZg&t=651s

Based on population - maybe - based on infrastructure definitely not.

A town in kenya - 10k to 50k population - but it must have requisite infrastructure.

This is my hometown - last I checked it had 30K population

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ePN_C_746jU

Just30:
So any town in Kenya will automatically be a village in Ghana

Sound argument 101. You refute with your own more credible figures. I got them from the internet - genius. Show me the 1,000 plus 0.5M cities in little South Africa.

AfriqueDuZuid:
I

Where did you get those numbers

http://www.parliament.go.ke/sites/default/files/2017-05/UrbanAreasandCitiesAct_No13of2011.pdf

For example - a Town
(a) a population of at least ten thousand residents according to the final
gazetted results of the latest population census carried out by an
institution authorized under any written law, preceding the grant;
(b) demonstrable economic, functional and financial viability;
(c) the existence of an integrated development plan in accordance with
this Act;
(d) the capacity to effectively and efficiently deliver essential services to
its residents as provided in the First Schedule; and
(e) sufficient space for expansion.

And services it must provide
Town—(Population at least 10,000)
Street Lighting
Cemeteries and Crematoria
Libraries
Heath Facilities
Sports and Cultural Activities
Abattoirs
Refuse Collection
Solid waste management
Air noise
Child Care Facilities
Pre-Primary Education
Community Centres
Guest Houses
No. 13 of 2011 [Rev. 2012]
Urban Areas and Cities
[Issue 1] 28
Homestays
Polytechnic
Training Institution
County School
Airstrip
Unclassified roads
Museum
Historical Monument
Postal services
Regional Radio Station
Community Radio
Funeral Parlour
Cemetery
Recreational Parks
Management of Markets
Marine Water front
Animal control and welfare
Religious Institution

Just30:
I know you are lying hence why you cant quote that law


See how you dont even know the differences between political subdivisions and geographic subdivisions

You are here giving a 10,000 plus which is the definition of a village to a town

Shackman, never heard of monthly accounting, quartely maybe. D

AfriqueDuZuid:
You are old enough to be using primary school kids tactics of name calling, you an elder here with kids for God sake.

Losses by means of consecutive months

South Africa has only 9 - if you include Soweto - with 0.5M people. The only thing you own is probably the stuff in your shack. You do not posses South Africa


Cape Town 3,433,441
Durban 3,120,282
Johannesburg 2,026,469
Soweto 1,695,047
Pretoria 1,619,438
Port Elizabeth 967,677
Pietermaritzburg 750,845
Benoni 605,344
Tembisa 511,655

AfriqueDuZuid:
Im talking about my country, what we regard a city

It has nothing to do with what is being set

Shackman - stop using plurals - it shows a LOSS. Not losses. You need to wait for it to make another loss. For it to become losses. It has made profits for 42yrs.

AfriqueDuZuid:
You like mentioning education on everthing, stop that saying that does not make you smarter

Statements shows losses, its not making profits

You're an idiot 500,000 times 1000s is 500M - are you China or India. 500,000 is a big city. Unless youre talking west africa slumpolis without any infrastructure.

Kenya cities use to start at 0.5M - but now it been lowered to 0.25m. If Centum within it's own land will host 200,000 and 50,000 will grow outside it - then it will become a city. The same with Tatu and others.

AfriqueDuZuid:
A town i told you about has a population over 500 000 but we regard it as a town. There are 1000s like it but still we regard them as towns



That's the standard we set on our selves.

Madcow in Ghana definitely - your sprawling slums - will be called cities

Kenya has urban law

The same law also allows a county to declare an urban area a municipality if it has a resident population of at least 50,000 residents, while for an area to be declared a town it has to have at least a population of 10,000 residents and a market centre would only require 2,000 residents .

Just30:
Then every 4 blocks estate will be a city

Again present CONTINOUS - KQ is making losses - Centum made a loss. This is the stuff you should have been taught in pre-primary if you had any education worth it's salt.

AfriqueDuZuid:
Their present statement shows losses,

No one knows what will happen tomorrow, but currently its losses

So Daadab refugee camp in kenya with 200,000 somalis is a city. Or the 200,000 south sudanese in Kakuma camp ?. Not kenya urban areas are defined based not only on population but infrastructure. It starts from village market centers, to towns, to municipals, to cities and metropolis.
A City now requires 250K population with requiste infrastructure.

AfriqueDuZuid:
Because if we go by how kenya defines it, then i don't know

Shackman.They made a small loss. They are not making losses. That is present continous tense - and you have no evidence of that.

AfriqueDuZuid:
Not you again with name calling. Id like to believe you more matured than that

I said they making losses, of which is true #fact

Dont patronise me

Shackman nearly every company made losses in covid period. Making a loss doesnt mean the company is struggling. This first loss - small loss -compared to the profit they normally make.

Centum Investment Group has posted the first full-year loss in 42 yrs.

AfriqueDuZuid:
and that too

Rvp just comfirm Centum making losses

Vipingo is not a village; Vipingo is large sisal estates owned by Rea Vipingo. Rea Vipingo is Africa largest sisal producer with estates in Kenya and Tanzania.The particular land lies btw Mombasa and Kilifi - you drive for almost 30kms of Vipingo sisal estate - touching the sea. They have more than 100,000 acres.

Centum bought shares of Vipingo targetting the land. Eventually when Rea Vipingo wanted to delisted - Centum refused - and demand some of land - they were given 10,000 acres worth 1Billion dollars

I bought into Centum's Two Rivers - all units in phase one have been sold out. The same for Vipingo city - all units already sold out.

Centum has 10,000 acres to go. They are selling beach front plots for 0.5M dollars. They have just done a few hundred of acres - but onces completed the 10,000 acres will host 200,000 people plus...the same as Tatu City.

Centum just made their first loss in decades thanks to COVID - otherwise Centum is a solid company - although the founder died this year - Chris Kirubi.
https://kikubolane.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/06/chris_kirubi_dead60c75096c1989.jpg

So coz Elon Musk went to Pretoria - now Pretoria is the world best university. Dude - random outliers like those are everywhere. Some did not even attend any university.

See you IQ is very low.

If Pretoria admits and award a degree to an idiot like you - no wonder - some idiots recently managed to kill your MEDOPI power plant
https://www.news24.com/fin24/Economy/eskom-confirms-explosion-at-medupi-no-injuries-reported-20210809

South Africa prognosis is very bad - you cannot have goats - with poor education standards - managing complicated systems.

Improve basic education first.

The 5 or so Boer Universities worked because the Boers had invested in apertheid system - that ensure their schools from basic to high was well funded.

Now majority of you are joining best BOER universities due to BBE - and such entitlment - and you cannot add one plus one to save your life.

Outcome
https://twitter.com/chrisyelland/status/1424761349238894598?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1424761349238894598%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.news24.com%2Ffin24%2FEconomy%2Feskom-confirms-explosion-at-medupi-no-injuries-reported-20210809

AfriqueDuZuid:
University of Pretoria

a university commended by bill gates for infrastructure and academic output, the very same Elon Musk attended

We know you live in Soweto - and I think you're from Xhosa - one of those mixed Khoisan-bantu tribes.

AfriqueDuZuid:
Lol i told you to stop talking about things you don't know, now look at you out of desperation

anyway i don't stay in Soweto

Which world best university would admit a goat like you. Unless you were as rich as Trumps or Gadaffi.

AfriqueDuZuid:
UON is not top 10 africa

Why would i go to Kenya when im attending worlds best University

We were talking hostels. University of Nairobi is top 10 university in Africa. You definitely could not be admitted to UON - leave alone our course - where everyone we were with had A or worse a very strong A minus. We were the creme de la creme then. And still are - my classmates - many have PHDs - some are full proffesors - and many are top proffesionals in the world.

AfriqueDuZuid:
Lol if i were you i would deviate from t@lking about things you don't know

You wanna brag to me about attending One of kenyan University?

Soweto - you looted Joburg.

AfriqueDuZuid:
Im a over 1000 km away from kzn

Dude you burnt some of them to the ground - how can they be rebuilt so quickly - some of them are structurally damaged . And you will do it again and again - over any flimsy reason. If not attacking foreigners - you are attacking business. If insurance pays - I bet half of them will use it to relocate to Australia and such places.

For poor somalis and ethiopias owning informal shops - without insurance - they should invest in guns - because you will attack them again before the end of this year.

AfriqueDuZuid:
The mall does not own stores the own the buildings, the premises are insured and the retailers are insured, they will get their money back.

Picknpay refilled their mega stores 2 days after they were looted in KZN. it does not take months to get going again

These are not some small outlets in Nairobi,

Shackman that rich coming from a slum dog like you. I went to Nairobi and stayed at Chiromo hostel - the entrace to that Dusit Hotel terror attack. It was better than your shack. Waaaay better.

We were with Nameless/Nonini at same time at UON - they are muscianist cum proffesional - architects - and they took their shoot back at UON


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AQA7TWaMvQM&t=2367s

AfriqueDuZuid:
Noo please don't go there, let it slide bro

Better than anything in Nigeria.

Vlain:
Lol u don’t want me to show u what ur students hostel look like in Nairobi uni

Kenya - Private Hostel Sector - just starting from scratch - I think South Africa have like 150,000 private hostel beds


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2NbYxisnac4&t=2s

Read again; there is a infographic there; showing the extensive damage the Shackman did on their retail sector; even worse on informal retail

Vlain:
It’s 800 stores I saw

Typical students rooms - in private hostels

Qwetu - is one of leading private sector hostel providers - with 5 residences in various parts of Nairobi and more under constructions
https://qwetu.co.ke/